sparko1:


Firstly paragraph
In other words God original plan doesn't include procreation or sexual desire, my question is, how did you know this? Because the bible never stated this, this is purely your subjective view.

Second paragraph
Those changes have nothing to do with the original design, there's a very good reason why God made two humans, there exists the desire to protect and provide already in Adam, hence even in the garden he had to go to work, the difference after is, it became hardly, this is besides the point, no biology changes was exhibited.

This is not a blame game, it's purely an understanding of what the program contains.

Virus doesn't exist in vacuum, viruses aim to corrupt what already exist, the core function is to make it DO! the power, the ability to DO! Already exist.

Satan aim to influence human to DO! commit adultery, fornication, but the desire is already there, if the desire is absent there nothing satan can do about it.

The core of this discussion is not what human does with the desire, it's that the desire is inbuilt, as simple as that.

sparko1:


The truth is many married men and women are but have to hide because they know the implication, so many things are happening in Nigeria.

When I came up with this topic lots of people accused me of being gay, but there's another reason why I am concerned enough to investigate this.

The fact that it's present in our kind of society makes it very unlikely a product of indoctrination, people won't even talk about it in a forum like Nairaland where you can hide your identity, where exactly do you get indoctrinated.

NSK4U:


Yes, we have been in Nigeria but are not disconnected from the lifestyle/culture of the rest of the world around us. The role of the media contributes greatly to how we perceive and accept or reject things most times. Many Nigerians as you would know watch porn where these things are promoted and they get influenced to begin to try it out among peers. Is MouthAction an African thing? Is it not pervading and thriving today like the missionary which we were used to It's media influence among others

sparko1:
In 2013 I made a post and cited some research materials for the above given topic. When this topic was discussed most people saw it as a debate that has no bases in Nigeria because according to most, it's something of no consequences, but over the years things have changed.

About a week ago I saw a video of guy almost linched by a group of young men in the NORTH for LOOKING/WALKING/SPEAKING IN A GIRLISH WAY LOL.

This topic is now more important than ever because though we consider this abnormal or against our religious orientation, we must agree there is something more and it deserves a thorough understanding.

Find below link to previous post: https://www.nairaland.com/1471542/being-gay-it-genetic-choice

Most people will ask why bring this back up, from experience, we have always been reactive, always trying to retrace our steps, everything from yahoo boys, to scamming, jungle justice, even kidnapping, it's until we begin to see real numbers of dead bodies or decay that we start reorientation, at which time lots of young minds are already too far gone.
I made a promise to re-evaluate the topic after 10 years.

The core of the research:
Homosexuality, “GAY” Is it Genetic or a Choice? Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?

Some research materials:
Research shows that the basic template for the body and brain of a human fetus is female in its structure. As a result men have some redundant female features such as nipples. Men also have mammary glands which do not function but retain the potential to produce milk. There are thousands of recorded cases of lactation in male prisoners of war where starvation led to a diseased liver failing to break down the hormones essential for breast-feeding.
As we now know, six to eight weeks after conception, a male fetus (XY) receives a massive dose of male hormones called androgens which first forms the testes, and then a second dose to alter the brain from a female format to a male configuration. If the male foetus does not receive enough male hormones at the appropriate time, one of two things may happen. Firstly, a baby boy may be born with a brain structure that is more feminine than masculine, in other words, a boy who will most likely be gay by puberty. Secondly, a genetic boy may be born with a fully functioning female brain and a set of male genitals. This person will be transgender.
This is a person who is biologically male but feeling as if he is a female. Sometimes a genetic male is born with a set of both male and female genitals.
Geneticist Anne Moir in her ground-breaking book Brainsex documents the many cases of genetic boys being born looking like girls and being raised as girls, only suddenly to find that they have penis and testicles that 'appear' at puberty.

Homosexuality is Part of History
Among the ancient Greeks, homosexuality was not only permitted, it was highly respected. The slim, boyish, youthful figure was their ideal of beauty, and paintings and statues were erected in its honour. Poems were written about the love that prominent older men had for young men. The Greeks believed that male homosexuality served a noble, higher purpose and it inspired youths to become worthy members of the community. They also found that young gay men proved to be some of their most courageous, successful warriors as they would fight 'side-by-side in love with each other'.
In Roman times, Julius Caesar was described as 'every woman's man and every man's woman.'
When Christianity frowned on same-sex relationships and God reportedly brought his vengeance down on the City of Sodom, homosexuality was banned, disappeared into the closet and wasn't seen in public again until recently. The Victorian era refused to acknowledge that homosexuality existed and, even if it did, it must be the Devil's work and would be severely punished. As we enter the 21st Century, older generations still believe that homosexuality is a recent phenomenon and an 'unnatural' act. The reality is that it has been around for as long as male foetuses missed out on their sufficient share of male hormones.

Is it Genetic or a Choice?
When Body Language author Allan Pease and geneticist Anne Moir appeared together on British television in 1991 for the launch of their books Brainsex (Mandarin Books) and Talk Language (HarperCollins), Moir revealed the results of her research which highlighted what scientists have known for years – homosexuality is inborn, not a choice.
Not only is homosexuality mostly inborn, but the environment in which we are raised plays a lesser role in our behaviour than was previously thought. Scientists have found that as an adolescent or adult, parents' efforts to suppress homosexual tendencies in their off-spring has practically no effect. And because the impact of male hormone (or lack of it) on the brain is the main culprit, most homosexuals are males.
There is no solid evidence that upbringing affects the likelihood of a child becoming homosexual.
For every lesbian (female body with a masculinised brain) there are about eight to ten gay men. If the gay and lesbian movement was to embrace this research and, if the education system taught these findings, homosexual and transsexual people would not encounter as much prejudice. Most people are more tolerant and accepting of a person who has inborn differences than they are of a person who, in their opinion, makes an unacceptable choice. Take, for example, Thalidomide babies, Parkinson's sufferers, autism or people who have cerebral palsy. The public is more accepting of these people because they are usually born with these conditions, as opposed to homosexuals who supposedly choose their lifestyle. Can we be critical of a person who is born left handed or dyslexic? Or with blue eyes and red hair? Or with a female brain in a male body? Most homosexual people believe that their homosexuality is a choice and, like many minority groups, often use public forums to display their 'choice', which generates negative attitudes from many members of the public.

Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
Gays and lesbians do not choose their sexual orientation any more than heterosexuals do. Scientists and most human sexuality experts agree that homosexuality is an orientation that is unchangeable. Researchers believe that most homosexual orientation develops in the womb, that homosexual patterns are firmly fixed by around age five and that it is outside the control of the person. For centuries, techniques have been used to suppress homosexual feelings in 'sufferers' which have included breast amputation, castration, drug therapy, uterus removal, frontal lobotomy, psychotherapy, electric shock therapy, prayer meetings, spiritual counseling and exorcism. No therapies have ever succeeded.
The best they have been able to achieve is to make some bisexuals confine their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex or force some homosexuals to become celibate through guilt or fear, and to push many others to suicide.
Scientists have shown that homosexuality is an orientation that is unalterable. It's not a choice.
There is a greater than 90% chance that you, the reader, are heterosexual. Think about how difficult it would be to feel sexually attracted to someone of your own sex and you will begin to understand how it is virtually impossible to create feelings that do not already exist. If it was a choice, as many proclaim, why would any intelligent person choose a way of life that exposes them to so much hostility, prejudice and discrimination? Hormones are responsible, not human choices.
Are we Slaves to our Biology?
Scientists know how to change the sexuality of rats and monkeys in the womb. Some groups claim that we can control our likes and dislikes by will or choice and they insist that we can all reverse park or read street directories with the same ease. But scientists know this is unrealistic. You don't need to be a scientist to see that rabbits can't fly, ducks are lousy runners, most women have difficulty reading maps and men reading newspapers are temporarily deaf. Understanding brain structure differences makes us more tolerant of each other and allows us to have greater control over our destiny and to feel positive about our inclinations and choices.
Human intelligence has evolved to a point where we are more in control of our emotions than other animals and can think through our choices. Other animals don't think: they react to circumstances and this makes them slaves to their biology. Our biology is the motivations behind many of the choices we make that sometimes don't seem to make sense to us. So while we are more in control of ourselves than most other animals, we still can't completely buck the system. The biggest obstacle facing most people is their rejection of the idea that we are just another animal with a smart brain. This refusal makes these people victims of their biology.

source.
Barbara & Allan Pease
Abstract from “why men don't listen & women can't read maps

Well long story short, there are two important question here;
1. Is it Genetic or a Choice?
If it is genetic, why do we have to criticize, force other on their sexual orientation? Isn’t that why we as humans have the right to make choice for ourselves

2. Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
If it can’t be changed why pretend it can be changed by placing a ban on it, when in reality it can’t, instead of allowing these people live happily like every other person.

MrCork:


.....NO GAY NONSENSE HEAR

...THREAD CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Swaelyf:
exactly!! in a country where admitting that is basically a death sentence especially for the poor yet they still risk it

sparko1:


I think you have to involve the Moderator to achieve this.

On another note, you could stop commenting on it and allow it close naturally, every time you comment, the thread returns to first page genius ;

We goin to need to start shoootin all Gay sospect men in the head.....there females are ok thou. No body want faggggggot!!! (no oofencse)

criuze:
My gay friend said fucking in the man's but is the sweetest

Going by that I think gay sex is experimental act which fossilized into addiction and it o a life style

So if you love a man, which is your right, please don't express it over his butt, that's ATI specie and aberration

If one develops traits of the opposite gended, it's good he look for a homourne therapy and pills to help the fix to his or her center

The truth is if you give half of the support and tech medical entervention offered to Trans clients towards his natural adjustment they will be better and fine

Swaelyf:
does anyone teach dogs which have been so domesticated to have sex? no their biology knows when they are ready and guides them that is the same for every human just the same way sex in itself may be disgusting to some ppl. its best to accept the fact that we may all look the same but are all very different

NSK4U:


I think you need to go practical with me to understand what I mean, chat me up on WhatsApp for first hand experience that will change the orientation

Swaelyf:
i dont need to go practical with you for anything, Im celibate and happy with it, however ppl's orientation should be left to them and their consenting partners, just bcs you like rice and stew doesn't mean the whole world should like it with you

NSK4U:


Hmmmmm diz table is not for celibates

ThothHermes:
Homosexuality serves no purpose. It's perverse. There's no gay gene.
Nature is purposeful. What evolutionary advantages does being gay confer on the human species?
People have the right to pursue their fantasies of perversion, but we must call it what it is -- perversion. Don't make it sound like those who disagree are backward or primitive.

shadowalce:

Where does this perversion stem from?

advanceDNA:


Male and female sex is the original nature's design....that's why a new life is one of its product...thats why all males animals in the wild are not taught b4 they identify and mate their female kind for life to continue

U see ...Man fvcking his fellow man and any other shiit u and ur LGBT crew are desperately trying to justify is simply humans with no carnal control , fulfilling every crazy, impulsive desire that jump into ur mind

First y'all started with men fvcking men, then u called urself bisexual, then graduated to pan sexual...as in...and u guys think u are normal.

sparko1:
In 2013 I made a post and cited some research materials for the above given topic. When this topic was discussed most people saw it as a debate that has no bases in Nigeria because according to most, it's something of no consequences, but over the years things have changed.

About a week ago I saw a video of guy almost linched by a group of young men in the NORTH for LOOKING/WALKING/SPEAKING IN A GIRLISH WAY LOL.

This topic is now more important than ever because though we consider this abnormal or against our religious orientation, we must agree there is something more and it deserves a thorough understanding.

Find below link to previous post: https://www.nairaland.com/1471542/being-gay-it-genetic-choice

Most people will ask why bring this back up, from experience, we have always been reactive, always trying to retrace our steps, everything from yahoo boys, to scamming, jungle justice, even kidnapping, it's until we begin to see real numbers of dead bodies or decay that we start reorientation, at which time lots of young minds are already too far gone.
I made a promise to re-evaluate the topic after 10 years.

The core of the research:
Homosexuality, “GAY” Is it Genetic or a Choice? Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?

Some research materials:
Research shows that the basic template for the body and brain of a human fetus is female in its structure. As a result men have some redundant female features such as nipples. Men also have mammary glands which do not function but retain the potential to produce milk. There are thousands of recorded cases of lactation in male prisoners of war where starvation led to a diseased liver failing to break down the hormones essential for breast-feeding.
As we now know, six to eight weeks after conception, a male fetus (XY) receives a massive dose of male hormones called androgens which first forms the testes, and then a second dose to alter the brain from a female format to a male configuration. If the male foetus does not receive enough male hormones at the appropriate time, one of two things may happen. Firstly, a baby boy may be born with a brain structure that is more feminine than masculine, in other words, a boy who will most likely be gay by puberty. Secondly, a genetic boy may be born with a fully functioning female brain and a set of male genitals. This person will be transgender.
This is a person who is biologically male but feeling as if he is a female. Sometimes a genetic male is born with a set of both male and female genitals.
Geneticist Anne Moir in her ground-breaking book Brainsex documents the many cases of genetic boys being born looking like girls and being raised as girls, only suddenly to find that they have penis and testicles that 'appear' at puberty.

Homosexuality is Part of History
Among the ancient Greeks, homosexuality was not only permitted, it was highly respected. The slim, boyish, youthful figure was their ideal of beauty, and paintings and statues were erected in its honour. Poems were written about the love that prominent older men had for young men. The Greeks believed that male homosexuality served a noble, higher purpose and it inspired youths to become worthy members of the community. They also found that young gay men proved to be some of their most courageous, successful warriors as they would fight 'side-by-side in love with each other'.
In Roman times, Julius Caesar was described as 'every woman's man and every man's woman.'
When Christianity frowned on same-sex relationships and God reportedly brought his vengeance down on the City of Sodom, homosexuality was banned, disappeared into the closet and wasn't seen in public again until recently. The Victorian era refused to acknowledge that homosexuality existed and, even if it did, it must be the Devil's work and would be severely punished. As we enter the 21st Century, older generations still believe that homosexuality is a recent phenomenon and an 'unnatural' act. The reality is that it has been around for as long as male foetuses missed out on their sufficient share of male hormones.

Is it Genetic or a Choice?
When Body Language author Allan Pease and geneticist Anne Moir appeared together on British television in 1991 for the launch of their books Brainsex (Mandarin Books) and Talk Language (HarperCollins), Moir revealed the results of her research which highlighted what scientists have known for years – homosexuality is inborn, not a choice.
Not only is homosexuality mostly inborn, but the environment in which we are raised plays a lesser role in our behaviour than was previously thought. Scientists have found that as an adolescent or adult, parents' efforts to suppress homosexual tendencies in their off-spring has practically no effect. And because the impact of male hormone (or lack of it) on the brain is the main culprit, most homosexuals are males.
There is no solid evidence that upbringing affects the likelihood of a child becoming homosexual.
For every lesbian (female body with a masculinised brain) there are about eight to ten gay men. If the gay and lesbian movement was to embrace this research and, if the education system taught these findings, homosexual and transsexual people would not encounter as much prejudice. Most people are more tolerant and accepting of a person who has inborn differences than they are of a person who, in their opinion, makes an unacceptable choice. Take, for example, Thalidomide babies, Parkinson's sufferers, autism or people who have cerebral palsy. The public is more accepting of these people because they are usually born with these conditions, as opposed to homosexuals who supposedly choose their lifestyle. Can we be critical of a person who is born left handed or dyslexic? Or with blue eyes and red hair? Or with a female brain in a male body? Most homosexual people believe that their homosexuality is a choice and, like many minority groups, often use public forums to display their 'choice', which generates negative attitudes from many members of the public.

Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
Gays and lesbians do not choose their sexual orientation any more than heterosexuals do. Scientists and most human sexuality experts agree that homosexuality is an orientation that is unchangeable. Researchers believe that most homosexual orientation develops in the womb, that homosexual patterns are firmly fixed by around age five and that it is outside the control of the person. For centuries, techniques have been used to suppress homosexual feelings in 'sufferers' which have included breast amputation, castration, drug therapy, uterus removal, frontal lobotomy, psychotherapy, electric shock therapy, prayer meetings, spiritual counseling and exorcism. No therapies have ever succeeded.
The best they have been able to achieve is to make some bisexuals confine their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex or force some homosexuals to become celibate through guilt or fear, and to push many others to suicide.
Scientists have shown that homosexuality is an orientation that is unalterable. It's not a choice.
There is a greater than 90% chance that you, the reader, are heterosexual. Think about how difficult it would be to feel sexually attracted to someone of your own sex and you will begin to understand how it is virtually impossible to create feelings that do not already exist. If it was a choice, as many proclaim, why would any intelligent person choose a way of life that exposes them to so much hostility, prejudice and discrimination? Hormones are responsible, not human choices.
Are we Slaves to our Biology?
Scientists know how to change the sexuality of rats and monkeys in the womb. Some groups claim that we can control our likes and dislikes by will or choice and they insist that we can all reverse park or read street directories with the same ease. But scientists know this is unrealistic. You don't need to be a scientist to see that rabbits can't fly, ducks are lousy runners, most women have difficulty reading maps and men reading newspapers are temporarily deaf. Understanding brain structure differences makes us more tolerant of each other and allows us to have greater control over our destiny and to feel positive about our inclinations and choices.
Human intelligence has evolved to a point where we are more in control of our emotions than other animals and can think through our choices. Other animals don't think: they react to circumstances and this makes them slaves to their biology. Our biology is the motivations behind many of the choices we make that sometimes don't seem to make sense to us. So while we are more in control of ourselves than most other animals, we still can't completely buck the system. The biggest obstacle facing most people is their rejection of the idea that we are just another animal with a smart brain. This refusal makes these people victims of their biology.

source.
Barbara & Allan Pease
Abstract from “why men don't listen & women can't read maps

Well long story short, there are two important question here;
1. Is it Genetic or a Choice?
If it is genetic, why do we have to criticize, force other on their sexual orientation? Isn’t that why we as humans have the right to make choice for ourselves

2. Can the 'Choice' Be Changed?
If it can’t be changed why pretend it can be changed by placing a ban on it, when in reality it can’t, instead of allowing these people live happily like every other person.