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Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by ArsenWinner: 3:05pm On Jun 12
AmiableMosquito:
I don't understand what this news article aims to achieve. These are productive revenue generating agencies of government that brings the bulk of the money that the lazy and unproductive state governors come to share in Abuja monthly and which they subsequently loot and plunder to the detriment of the citizens.

If these agencies meet and even sometimes surpass their targets, there is nothing wrong in taking a cost of collection for smooth operations. Afterall, these agencies are self-funded and do not rely on the national treasury to pay their staff. If not for these league of GOEs, a majority of other government agencies are more of liabilities than assets, with many of them not carrying out their core mandate because they are either too clueless or constrained to do so.

Corollary:
FIRS collects VAT for alcohol but Kano state despite banning alcohol will sit back and enjoy the proceeds of the VAT via FIRS.

Zamfara does not remit any revenue from gold mining but wants to vilify NUPRC for retaining 4% of its revenue.

Osun State has gold, vast agricultural lands, cocoa and other minerals resources in commercial quantities but wants to be dragging monthly revenue with Nigeria Customs Service.

Oh, you want FIRS staff to be on the same salary scale as National Gallery of Arts staff. Or NUPRC staff to be on the same scale as National Orientation Agency staff? grin grin grin Even the 36 states in Nigeria don't take the same amount as monthly allocations. Without these GOEs, many other civil servants won't get salaries including your police and army . Period!
Are you a staff of any of the agencies?
FIRS should relinquish tax collection to the States.
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Blessedarethepe(m): 3:20pm On Jun 12
Beautifulday:


Squander which money? If Governors are squandering the small allocation they are getting after paying salary, doing projects, etc.

What is FIRS doing with such money that is bigger that state allocation? The word to describe what they are doing with our money hasn't been invented.
Have you seen the budget that goes to Nass, your state house of assembly and even your governors, and what ratio of money they spend to the public despite the fact that they still steal from it??
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Blessedarethepe(m): 3:22pm On Jun 12
Yadid:



I understand your point, and I am well aware of the percentage of money they take as running cost. However, the percentage increase of their collection cost is rising faster than the percentage increase of their gross revenue. Let us not pretend as if we don't know what happens in most government agencies in this country.
Civil servants working in these agencies are suffering can't you you see for yourself
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Yadid(m): 4:08pm On Jun 12
Blessedarethepe:

Civil servants working in these agencies are suffering can't you you see for yourself


Granted that they are suffering, the question now is, are they actually suffering because the agencies are not funded enough by government or because there are some "ogas at the top" who are siphoning the money meant for the agencies? For your information, I know some of the civil servants in these agencies.
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by AmiableMosquito: 5:13pm On Jun 12
Vulcan24:


I don't mind them keeping a % or quoting virements, they deserve it! My cardinal point is they act like the alpha and omega of their revenue and always insincere probably the reason AGORA is torchlight them

I always visit nipost and their only office in good shape is the one at vi nipost at ologun agbaje!

I believe they should share and be honest on what they made and what they keep! But it's the opposite so someone should either expose or speak up ! The money is from Nigeria for Nigerians not theirs

You are correct about the NIPOST VI office. That and the corporate HQ in Abuja are the only well maintained structures. Are you mow aware that the FG under the leadership of PBAT just approved that NIPOST keeps 100% of her IGR for certain number of years? Why do you think the directive was given despite mandating all other GOEs to remit their revenues to the treasury?

I don't think the issue is transparency, because we all know what they generate and what they keep in exact figures. That's what birthed the news article in the first place. It's because figures are quoted, that's why everyone is informed. When was the last time NNPC remitted to FG? Who even knows how much NNPC generates and retains?

The issue is no longer about transparency for these GOEs (excluding NNPC), it is about ensuring that the funds retained for operations are not embezzled by a select few but used for capital projects and other credible operational costs within the organisation. But as to whether they deserve it, I maintain that they do.
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by AmiableMosquito: 5:20pm On Jun 12
ArsenWinner:

Are you a staff of any of the agencies?
FIRS should relinquish tax collection to the States.
No Sir, I am not. That does not mean I should vilify or hate on them. Yes, I agree with you but that can only happen with true federalism. Let every state control its resources. But until then, there's nothing criminal or corrupt about RGAs keeping a small percentage of their revenue for operational purposes. It's in the law.

Why don't we condemn the oil producing states for receiving extra 13% derivation funds despite the fact we all know that they are most likely to mismanage it? Because it's their entitlement by law. Whatever they do with it is another conversation entirely.
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by yemex04(m): 5:40pm On Jun 12
Beautifulday:


There are many private organizations that has annual budget bigger than most countries. Have you seen annual budget of Microsoft or Facebook?

FIRS is not a private company. They have no right under no law to have more allocation than any state in Nigeria even if the state is generating zero capital. Every agency should advocate for more allocation that is bigger than states because they have been giving authority to collect tax or revenue?

Is tax or revenue collection fund generation. Tax not channelled back into the economy is destroying the economy.










FIRS & other Agencies aren't collecting allocation, States do.. What collect is what is statutory theirs in accordance with the law establishing them via the Acts of the National Assembly. Even YOU can't change it the Practice if you are the President even if you don't agree with the process, you must mobilize the National Assembly to amend the law establishing them. So chill, those who made the law that established the law know why via public hearing. So chill bro, it is fine to be emotional but do not let it override your sense of objective reasoning.
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by spacechuks(m): 6:43pm On Jun 12
yemex04:











FIRS & other Agencies aren't collecting allocation, States do.. What collect is what is statutory theirs in accordance with the law establishing them via the Acts of the National Assembly. Even YOU can't change it the Practice if you are the President even if you don't agree with the process, you must mobilize the National Assembly to amend the law establishing them. So chill, those who made the law that established the law know why via public hearing. So chill bro, it is fine to be emotional but do not let it override your sense of objective reasoning.

Are you talking about the Northern national assembly,

Does the decision go well with the minorities that contribute more to firs collection,

Most of the law passed by the national assembly is for the interest of the North and nothing else,

To make it more efficient and devoid of bias, every state should collect their taxes and pay a certain percent to the federal ,

I remember wike, when he was a governor had a similar case in court against firs as per collection of taxes in Rivers State, firs had to begin lobbying because they knew what they stand to lose,

Only God knows how that course case went,

This country will not progress if we continue with the current structure, it is time to overhaul and restructure all sectors for growth and prosperity,

What happens to agriculture in the North, how much taxes is firs generating from there, firs would rather focus effort in oil and gas, marine, etc
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Blessedarethepe(m): 6:54pm On Jun 12
Yadid:



Granted that they are suffering, the question now is, are they actually suffering because the agencies are not funded enough by government or because there are some "ogas at the top" who are siphoning the money meant for the agencies? For your information, I know some of the civil servants in these agencies.
call them out, let's drag them

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Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Beautifulday: 7:11pm On Jun 12
yemex04:



FIRS & other Agencies aren't collecting allocation, States do.. What collect is what is statutory theirs in accordance with the law establishing them via the Acts of the National Assembly. Even YOU can't change it the Practice if you are the President even if you don't agree with the process, you must mobilize the National Assembly to amend the law establishing them. So chill, those who made the law that established the law know why via public hearing. So chill bro, it is fine to be emotional but do not let it override your sense of objective reasoning.

What is statutory theirs is corruption. It is not in our constitution. Anyone who made a law that allows any agency in the country to get more money than state is a criminal.

What are they using the money to do?

The tax and revenue they collect are from companies domicile in a state not in FIRS or whatever agency they may be.
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Beautifulday: 7:11pm On Jun 12
Blessedarethepe:

Have you seen the budget that goes to Nass, your state house of assembly and even your governors, and what ratio of money they spend to the public despite the fact that they still steal from it??

What do FIRS use money to do that will make them get more money than a state?
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Blessedarethepe(m): 7:30pm On Jun 12
Beautifulday:


What do FIRS use money to do that will make them get more money than a state?
Go and ask them
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Beautifulday: 7:31pm On Jun 12
Blessedarethepe:

Go and ask them

Nothing beside salary and operations. They are syphoning fund for some group of people.
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by DaddyUgonna: 5:53pm On Jun 13
AmiableMosquito:
Your father at home is a coconut head, that's why he produced dullards like yourself. Can't fault you for been unable to understand my post. It's beyond your intellectual capacity. Pele
Rafrafs like you no suppose dey exist but since you're here. Enjoy your worthless life which cannot come across with mine.
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by AmiableMosquito: 6:10pm On Jun 13
DaddyUgonna:
Rafrafs like you no suppose dey exist but since you're here. Enjoy your worthless life which cannot come across with mine.
grin grin Says a street urchin. Since your father no suppose exist, you fit go strangle am this night. No one will fault you, Ode!
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by DaddyUgonna: 7:12pm On Jun 13
AmiableMosquito:
grin grin Says a street urchin. Since your father no suppose exist, you fit go strangle am this night. No one will fault you, Ode!
Gatout! Ozor!
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Cromagnon: 2:09pm On Oct 10
immortalcrown:
😂

The closer you are, the bigger your share. That's how they run the affairs. Distribution of resources is never based on equity. For instance, check the budget for educational and health sectors.

Dear commenter below, how much they generate should not determine how much they get. How many new workers do they employ yearly? How many vehicles do they replace yearly and why? These, for example, are what determine how much they should get as allocation.

Expenditure should determine the budget. It is wrong to decide the budget based on revenue. Otherwise, high revenue will be a reason to waste resources.
Really so you pay your most productive worker the least if you are a manager and still expect them to Remain productive?
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by immortalcrown(m): 6:12pm On Oct 10
Cromagnon:
Really so you pay your most productive worker the least if you are a manager and still expect them to Remain productive?
I never said anything to warrant this response from you.

1.
Their workers were never underpaid.

2.
As the sector's budget significantly increases every year and workers' salaries are the reason you support the budget increase, how many workers in the sector get promoted yearly?
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Cromagnon: 3:51pm On Oct 15
immortalcrown:
I never said anything to warrant this response from you.

1.
Their workers were never underpaid.


How do you determine who's underpaid and who is overpaid?

.
2.
As the sector's budget significantly increases every year and workers' salaries are the reason you support the budget increase, how many workers in the sector get promoted yearly?
what does promotion have to do with compensation for productivity
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by immortalcrown(m): 6:27am On Oct 17
Cromagnon:


How do you determine who's underpaid and who is overpaid?

what does promotion have to do with compensation for productivity
Answer my questions before I answer yours.
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Cromagnon: 6:40pm On Nov 04
immortalcrown:
Answer my questions before I answer yours.
the answer to your question is inside the answer to mine if you really want to know
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by immortalcrown(m): 8:01pm On Nov 04
Cromagnon:
the answer to your question is inside the answer to mine if you really want to know
Answer my question. Otherwise, keep ranting.
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Cromagnon: 6:13pm On Nov 12
immortalcrown:
Answer my question. Otherwise, keep ranting.
You're the one lamenting o
Me I've adapted teytey
You you never suffer reach
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by immortalcrown(m): 6:41pm On Nov 12
Cromagnon:

You're the one lamenting o
Me I've adapted teytey
You you never suffer reach
I never suffer reach you abi.
Re: How FIRS, Customs, NUPRC Received More Allocation Than States – Agora Policy by Cromagnon: 10:06pm On Nov 15
immortalcrown:
I never suffer reach you abi.
I dunno ó. We have to compare both side by side but I doubt it

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