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Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by shostar: 4:43pm On Oct 08, 2007
HABA!
THINK ABOUT THE CHURCH THAT HAS THE HIGHEST NO OF BRANCHES.
THAT SHOULD BE UBA.

ANYONE WHERE MAN KNOW MAN IS THE TALE OF THE DAY SHOULD BE UNION. ETC

WAT ABOUT CHURCHES AND MINISTRIES?
WHICH CHURCH WILL BE MINISTRIES FOR WORKS AND HOUSING?
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Purist(m): 9:48pm On Oct 08, 2007
Okay mrpataki,

Thanks for your 'spiritually edifying' post. kiss

Cheers!
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Purist(m): 10:21pm On Oct 08, 2007
OlowoTee:

It's BAD. Period cool

How?

OlowoTee:

the fact that the comedians do it, doesn't make it RIGHT! It's wrong, there're some costly jokes we shouldn't get involved in!

I agree.

OlowoTee:

Read this:

". . . .Let it not be named among you as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting which are not convenient: but rather giving thanks." Ephesians 5:3, 4

It simply implies that there are some jokes and jesting which are not convenient!

That word "covenient" is a relative term.  It depends on who and how it applies.  One cannot use his own standard to determine how such a relative term affects others.
Also, are you aware you selectively quoted that passage?  It's just like someone that quotes a particular part of the Bible that says ". . . and the liar was condemned to hell", and quickly concludes that all liars will perish, without bothering to note the context in which that statement was made.

OlowoTee:

You don't need to be a muslim-fanatic-turned-Christian to reproof such??  Let's not grieve the Holy Spirit!

True.  But who determines whether something grieves the Holy Spirit in a situation like this?  Please don't get me wrong, of course I acknowledge what the Bible says on sins committed against the Holy Spirit, but the question is, who sets the standard for determining what grieves the Holy Spirit?

I think when issues like this arise, we should be conscious of the intent of whoever performs the 'controversial' act.  Some people do what seems to be good, with bad intentions, and vice versa.  I also think you should re-read the instance FemiD gave earlier on (about how God could perform His wonders), so you'll have a better understanding of my views.

OlowoTee:

Thank You

Cheers. smiley
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Nobody: 11:27am On Oct 09, 2007

That word "covenient" is a relative term.  It depends on who and how it applies.  One cannot use his own standard to determine how such a relative term affects others.

Agreed, that the word 'covenient' is a relative term. Quote was from KJV. Maybe other translations would explain better:

From New International Version
"Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving."

From New Living Translation
" Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God.
"
From New American Standard
"and there must be no (A)filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which (B)are not fitting, but rather (C)giving of thanks"


Also, are you aware you selectively quoted that passage?  It's just like someone that quotes a particular part of the Bible that says ". . . and the liar was condemned to hell", and quickly concludes that all liars will perish, without bothering to note the context in which that statement was made.

lol. . .
I only quoted the relevant passage to the discussion here, I could have as well quoted the whole verses 3 & 4. But I chose to pick part of 3 and ended with verse 4, The message is still intact and nothing changed tongue
"But fornication, and all uncleanness, or coveteousness, let if not be named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not covenient; but rather giving of thanks."



True.  But who determines whether something grieves the Holy Spirit in a situation like this?  Please don't get me wrong, of course I acknowledge what the Bible says on sins committed against the Holy Spirit, but the question is, who sets the standard for determining what grieves the Holy Spirit?

Supposedly, every child of God is given the Spirit of God to be able to discern between good and bad! Some jokes are not just profitable.


I think when issues like this arise, we should be conscious of the intent of whoever performs the 'controversial' act. Some people do what seems to be good, with bad intentions, and vice versa.  I also think you should re-read the instance FemiD gave earlier on (about how God could perform His wonders), so you'll have a better understanding of my views.

[the highlighed!] that is the point! There are some with bad intentions! Which we've got to avoid as Christians.

Purist:

Cheers. smiley

Maybe you do not know, I enjoy comedy as well, very well. I could serve as a stand- up comedian too, lol. . . . but there is a limit! I'm pretty sure you won't ever find me in a congregation of blasphemous comedians. cool. At least, in all that we do, we should give Him the glory!
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by mrpataki(m): 12:36pm On Oct 09, 2007
Tosin wole:

this thread is good, bad and the ugly. thanks 2 mr. pataki 4 defendin the xtaindom.
The only good thing about this thread is saying the truth as to where it hurts the most. When I first made reference and postings as to this topic, some little kids were quick to throw insults back without accurately giving justifications as to why this topic is scripturally right. I am glad Olowo Tee is doing good justice to that.

Tosin wole:

but what about the comedians that emanate from the church? all their comedies is usually based on the funny things happening in the church. can mr. pataki say they blastphemious? or dull heads. in everything we must catch our fun. even pastors enjoy themselves when the listen to such religious jokes.
Comedians emanating from the church is not the issue here. The issue here is the fact that at the end of this thread what does one stand to gain? The same set of people comparing churches to banks are the same set of people who do not believe in God! Go find out from some posts or follow some topics on this section. The originator of this thread was quick to say that he started this thread in the forum games section, yet there is another thread with the same topic here on the religion. What a pathetic liar. I am good fan of quality entertainment, but when it goes against Godly standard, I revolt!
FYI, I minister in the act of dancing, some see it as entertainment, I see it as an act of worship. It is scriptural and I would follow with it. But with this topic, I do not find it in conformity with the word. As to the issue of blasphemy, when it is against the principles of God there I regard it as blasphemy.

Let me state as simple as I understand it here. When an atheist who does not know what got him confused comes on this thread and names a church as similar to a bank, and I as a christian and a believer in Christ I begin to laugh with such a person and I make my own foolish contributions with him too, where does the message of Christ come in later?

Tosin wole:

What i believe is that everyone has different approach to views as we are of different temperament. Mr. pataki might be a fanatic muslim turned xtain. 4 me God is in my heart and is external.
grin grin grin grin
Me a fanatic muslim turned Christian!!!!!!!! shocked shocked shocked
How did you come about such postulations undecided tongue I can name names of conc muslims members who are now christians on this forum. If you want you can dig into their posts. Search for Pilgrim 1, m4malik, Shahan, backslider, just a few will do.

God Bless.
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by mrpataki(m): 12:39pm On Oct 09, 2007
@ Olowo Tee,
Been a while I read from you.

God Bless you for your well brought out posts.
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by mrpataki(m): 12:44pm On Oct 09, 2007
ifyalways:

abeg una,make someone very honest and filled with the spirit tell me wetin mountain of fire and miracles go be? please


For someone who fantasizes about kissing all Nollywood actors, I would not be shocked with this kain posts of yours above.

What does having to be filled with spirit do with comparing a church name to a bank This is all part of vexation of the spirit. Just with 9posts you utter jargons undecided So having the spirit of God is meant for names designation?

God have mercy
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Nobody: 1:39pm On Oct 09, 2007
mrpataki:

God have mercy

Amen ooo!

mrpataki:

@ Olowo Tee,
Been a while I read from you.
God Bless you for your well brought out posts.

Kudos to you too, . . .I just couldn't help but laugh out at your choice of words "Pack of dull heads",  "bunch of nonsense" etc . lol.

Do have a nice day jare, wink All the best.
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Nobody: 2:00pm On Oct 09, 2007
hmnn, you got it right dude, and perhaps our churches would soon have ATM machines grin
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Purist(m): 6:36pm On Oct 09, 2007
OlowoTee:

Agreed, that the word 'covenient' is a relative term. Quote was from KJV. Maybe other translations would explain better:

From New International Version
"Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving."

From New Living Translation
" Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God.
"
From New American Standard
"and there must be no (A)filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which (B)are not fitting, but rather (C)giving of thanks"

The translation wasn't my worry, but the way you chose to apply the verse itself in this context. You see our actions as "foolish talk and coarse jokes", but I see no such thing, and therefore, I do not see how that verse applies to us.

OlowoTee:

lol. . .
I only quoted the relevant passage to the discussion here, I could have as well quoted the whole verses 3 & 4. But I chose to pick part of 3 and ended with verse 4, The message is still intact and nothing changed tongue
"But fornication, and all uncleanness, or coveteousness, let if not be named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not covenient; but rather giving of thanks."

Again, I do not see the relevance of the passage to our discussion.

OlowoTee:

Supposedly, every child of God is given the Spirit of God to be able to discern between good and bad! Some jokes are not just profitable.

True. But how do you determine which jokes are profitable or not? Agreed, there are some that we can unanimously conclude, aren't good for us. But in a situation like this one, you can only speak for yourself. Others have been thanking the poster for easing them off the day's stress, while you, mrpataki and some others think it's just gross. So who do we go with on this?

OlowoTee:

[the highlighed!] that is the point! There are some with bad intentions! Which we've got to avoid as Christians.

I'm not exactly sure you got my message there. In this case, the intention (at least, the way I see it), is a positive one.

OlowoTee:

Maybe you do not know, I enjoy comedy as well, very well. I could serve as a stand- up comedian too, lol. . . . but there is a limit! I'm pretty sure you won't ever find me in a congregation of blasphemous comedians. cool. At least, in all that we do, we should give Him the glory!

You definitely won't find me in a congregation of blasphemous comedians either. . . but that depends on what you personally find blasphemous, that I don't.

And if you ask me, I really do think that you guys are just being unnecessarily over-religious over this issue (no disrespect). There is a sharp difference between making fun about Christianity in general, and making fun of the churches around us. The former, you will never see me engage in. But for the latter, apart from the fun in it, I believe it should also make one reflect on one's perspective about these churches, especially when some have long worshipped the buildings and blindly followed their pastors instead of following the core teachings on which Christianity was established. In other words, this comparism could serve as an eye opener to some.

You guys should try to see the brighter side of this. Lighten up!

Cheers. wink
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Purist(m): 6:42pm On Oct 09, 2007
@ mrpataki

mrpataki:

When I first made reference and postings as to this topic, some little kids were quick to throw insults back without accurately giving justifications as to why this topic is scripturally right.

Perhaps, those "little kids" wouldn't have thrown insults back at you if you, who portrayed yourself as some saint, hadn't started off with the exchange.  Your words could have been at least, reasonable enough to respond to in like manner if you hadn't been so vulgar in your first post.  I suggest you take a leaf out of OlowoTee who didn't see the need to call us fools in order to get her well-thought points across. . . that's how a Christian should respond to opposing views.

Cheers bro!
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by mrpataki(m): 9:21pm On Oct 09, 2007
@ Purist,
While my actions and postings vary from Olowo Tee, I am mindful of the fact that I bear no name with Olowo Tee, save for the name under Christ!. The basic truth has been shed out here. Whether I said it with an outburst of temper and she decided to say it with a flow of cool temper, the truth must be said.

One must plant, another must water, but at the end God giveth increase. If you all still want to continue relieving the stupid jokes out here, well the decision is yours.

Jesus never chased out the business merchants who turned His fathers house into a house of buying and selling with ease of words when he was in the temple. He took out a stick and drove them out!

In your leisure you may also try to read Matthew 23 wink

God Bless cool
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Purist(m): 10:07pm On Oct 09, 2007
mrpataki,

This is not about whether you bear the same name as someone else. It's about imitating the good demeanour of others that is deficient in you. It's understandable if your message was passed across with anger, but insulting those you're addressing while passing your message across was totally uncalled for. That, definitely, isn't a mature way to address issues, much less, a Christian manner.

I refrained from quoting the post you made earlier, line by line, because it wasn't going to lead us anywhere. I believe, as the Christian you claim to be, you should lead by example. I'll stop here for now.

Cheers.
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by mrpataki(m): 6:46am On Oct 10, 2007
I have taken time to respond to the same issue you keep hammering on. If you care go through the same chapter I stated out here.

God Bless.
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Nobody: 10:01am On Oct 10, 2007
@Purist
To you, there's nothing coarse about it. Fine, but to me and some others!, We see no reason for such Comparison(Churches and banks!). The intention might be mild but it could end up breeding blasphemous and unprofitable remarks from some "non-believers", "atheist" etc on this forum.

@ Mr Pataki and Puris, Oops! you've got the same initials "P" but with different perceptions as regards the post grin. Let's drop the argument. wink

Cheers!
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by excel12(m): 10:26am On Oct 10, 2007
mrpataki:

The same set of people comparing churches to banks are the same set of people who do not believe in God! Go find out from some posts or follow some topics on this section. The originator of this thread was quick to say that he started this thread in the forum games section, yet there is another thread with the same topic here on the religion. What a pathetic liar.

mrpataki,i really wish i do not have to reply you again or respond to any of your posts because it amounts to a fruitless exercise because it is evident bthat you are opinionated and will never see things from other people's perspectives,Your records on nairaland speaks volumes.one is left with no other choice than to leave you to your ignorance hoping that God will help you one day (provided you submit yourself and yield, i hope you know that the Holy Spirit will not force anything on you,you need to yield to him so he can cure you of your ignorance).

Now ,to put records straight, you ignorantly claimed that i said i posted the thread in the forum games section and yet ,there is another post on the same topic here in the religion section,now check out what i said:

mrpataki or whatever you call yourself,this is the last time i will exchange arguments with you on this because i can see that you are a pharisee (you are to far to see things) .You sure think you are the most righteous person while others here are unbels,right?
If you care to know,i posted this thread in the joke section before it was moved here by the administrator and i believe there i no big deal to that.There is a humorous side to God and I have no regrets starting this thread because i am convinced i am doing anything wrong.And if you think i am encouraging blasphemy ,leave me to me and God,he has not yet told me he has relinquished his position as the judge of every man to you.

It is either you do not understand english language, you are not thinking right, you are too much in a hurry to jump to spurious conclusions or you are being unnecessarily mischievious to drive home your unnecessary points. What i simply said is :I posted the post in the Jokes Section while the administartor (Seun Osewa) moved it here.Shikena.

Now ,i seem to be learning from you that how to be a christian is by calling others - 'bunch of childless fools, 'congregation of low thinking things','bunch of rubbish' etc. And you think God whose name you are trying to protect (ignorantly though) approves of that?.No wonder someone said you are probably a fanatic muslim turned Christian.Will it be wrong if i call you a fanatic and a hypocrite? always more than willing to pick up quarrels with people and insult them,(your records on nairaland speak volumes)

It also amazes me that after insulting people calling them unprintable names,you still end the post with 'God bless you. The contrast amazes me.

God bless you,Mr Pataki.
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Bblak(f): 10:37am On Oct 10, 2007
What a thread!
@mrpataki,
you are actually saying the obvious here but i think you should also take it easy on the originator as his intentions were to allow some fun on this thread as he claimed. just that the comparison can be misleading to unbelievers,it's better we watch the type of comparison we make at times on this thread. lipsrsealed

@mrpataki
padi mi no vex just try and drop the arguement pls.
Biola
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Nushi77: 4:25pm On Oct 10, 2007
Church is a place for worship but greedy men that claimed they were called by God has turned it to bank and they are the directors and their wife the assistant mummy.
What a money business that pastors put lots of additional preaching to crop out more money from their congregations. Many were called and few were chosen.
Let's forget about Church and give our life to Jesus Christ. Man gave birth to religion and that is why it's devided. The TEN commandment remains the gateway to heaven through Jesus Christ our Lord and not because of sowing seeds with so much money.
Christ gave his life for us and who among all those pastors will give their life for their congregation that they exploit every sunday. No one and I said no one wants to die. How can one that lives in a mansion or drives millenuim rides gave his life. play boy in Christ. I know them too well and I deem it necessary to give my life to Jesus than listening to professional pastors in suites with beautified bibles.

Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out devils, and by thy name do many mighty works?
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by kronkykay(m): 1:36am On Oct 12, 2007
spiritually or otherwise,
this is a thread just for you to unwind--------why make a big deal about it---------
please take the bible verses to th religion thread, chikena!
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Stanozcom(m): 2:06am On Oct 12, 2007
Which one will Central Bank of Nigeria be?

Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Nushi77: 5:04pm On Oct 12, 2007
kronkykay@

You are a wicked mugu ok. who gave you the authority to comment on my post. don't you know good news is allowed to be made open. Mugu, please Allow me to do the work of God or you will face the wrath of God.
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by babadee(m): 1:51am On Oct 19, 2007
Na wa O!
@mr Pataki,
your words portray you as one of those holier than thou types and i suggest you borrow a leaf from olowo tee, you dont have to call people little kids or any other name for that matter because they dont share your passion( which i doubt because you are acting so unchristianlike) for christ.
in all your sermons and write-ups, you haven't actually discussed what constitutes blasphemy in this post, all you've done is choose verses with suit your feeble mind.
i hope you grow up in your religion and know that to be a christian is more than reading your bible and posting in the religion section, you have to be christlike in almost every way which includes your language.

@ purist,
some say religion is the opium of the masses, maybe mr Pataki has been puffing a little too much on the hashis pipe of religion.
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by tammyy2k1(m): 11:25am On Oct 19, 2007
Some people r so archaic that they do not know the difference of a joke and some thing real.
Pls catch ur fun anyone whose not in d grove should go have a pizza or a pie.
Pls wat bank will the local prayer houses be? lol
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by excel12(m): 12:05pm On Oct 19, 2007
tammy_y2k1:

Some people r so archaic that they do not know the difference of a joke and some thing real.
Please catch your fun anyone whose not in d grove should go have a pizza or a pie.
Please what bank will the local prayer houses be? lol

They will be microfinance/community banks
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Nobody: 8:03pm On Oct 20, 2007
Stanoz.com:

Which one will Central Bank of Nigeria be?
I think CAN grin
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by Atuluku(m): 6:14pm On Oct 24, 2007
mdsocks:

I think CAN grin

or PFN.
Re: If Nigerian Churches Were Banks by 9ja4eva: 7:52am On Oct 28, 2007
Yeah it shld be CAN or PFN

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