Bravery24:




Like they did to conquer Africa most especially Nigeria? continue distorting facts to suits your narration

smokinloud:

Islamists conquered Northern Nigeria. They were trying to conquer the Oyo Empire and the Benue too but they were overpowered

Empiree:
Confusion. The screenshot I posted correctly said the crusaders killed Muslims who converted to Christianity.

All definitely Muslims didn't choose to invade Spain. Spain was already in civil war and one of the factions called Muslims for help. This how Al-Andalus was established. So they didn't go to Spain to kill people just because they weren't Muslims. It was Christians who came and started killing spree whoever did not aligned with their terror ideology

CatchMeIfUCanMO:

Please it is an important discussion, not related to nairaland.
I don't want to mention my intentions here, but since you don't read dms I will give you a tip about what I want confirm from you.
I am planning to get married soon, and she is from the place you used as a moniker...

So, I actually want to confirm certain things before my people makes move on that.

I will be grateful if you can find a way to reply me outside this forum.

Note: When quoting this comment, delete it because I will edit it after I have confirmed it has been delivered to you.

smokinloud:

So, you're saying Muslims never intended to invade Spain but because a family of 20 in number were refused kinship they changed their minds and invaded Spain?!.
Do you think there could be civil war between a state and a family?!. Your screenshot was not affirming that there was civil war and that the Witizan family needed assistance from Muslim. The screenshot was only talking about possibility not historical fact.

Empiree:
And your screenshot proved what?. Your screenshot only proves aftermath of whatever led to the invasion. It doesn't prove or suggest that they just woke up one day and decided to invade Spain and killing for no reason.

My screenshot clearly stated 3 reasons for the invasion. It didn't say they invade based on religion or killing spree. It was Christians who came in to wage war on Grenadas and defeated them there

Empiree:
And your screenshot proved what?. Your screenshot only proves aftermath of whatever led to the invasion. It doesn't prove or suggest that they just woke up one day and decided to invade Spain and killing for no reason.

My screenshot clearly stated 3 reasons for the invasion. It didn't say they invade based on religion or killing spree. It was Christians who came in to wage war on Grenadas and defeated them there

Bravery24:



You dey mind him. Islamists conquered the Northern Nigeria. So Boko Haram later came to do what again in that region? By now the focus of boko haram should be Southern, Eastern and Western Nigeria remaimed to be conquered according to their media propaganda practice and leaning from the Western countries.

smokinloud:

Islamists feels Islam is threatened in the North and in Nigeria entirely that's why they want to conquer Nigeria as per Wole Soyinka
This abdul have started blaming the West again for their own terrorism

smokinloud:

Islamists feels Islam is threatened in the North and in Nigeria entirely that's why they want to conquer Nigeria as per Wole Soyinka
This abdul have started blaming the West again for their own terrorism


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e--njgcStNc?si=N7eAPSyfY0v4J6Xl

Bravery24:



Islam that was not threatened even during the time of colonial era, the colonial masters embraced their culture and Sharia law into the system, now threatening by who?

Bravery24:


Personal opinion though, not a statement of fact.

smokinloud:

Islam is always believed to be under threat in a secular state by the Islamists that's why they've always wanted to conquer every state on earth.
They only had no power to fight under Great Britain Colonialism but before the colonial era Islamists have always wanted to conquer many civilisations in Nigeria

Bravery24:



Like for example; In America and Uk were denied their religion practices to the extent of stopping women using Hijab in Police and army forces right? etc.

Am sure Muslim never had issue about one practices his/her religion except one do so.

What advantage does hijab and burqa add to soldiers?!.
Show me from the Quran and sharia and Hadiths and tafsirs where it says women must wear hijab to wars or wearing hijabs to wars is part of the pillars of faith in Islam.
HAVE YOU EVER THINK OF ALLOWING CATHEDRAL BEING BUILT IN MECCA?!.
MAYBE IF YOU DO THAT AMERICANS MIGHT ALLOW ISLAMISTS TO BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA MIGHT BE NAMED THE CALIPHATE OF THE QUEEN ELIZABETH 😂😂😂🍁🇨🇦

smokinloud:



What advantage does hijab and burqa add to soldiers?!.
Show me from the Quran and sharia and Hadiths and tafsirs where it says women must wear hijab to wars or wearing hijabs to wars is part of the pillars of faith in Islam.
HAVE YOU EVER THINK OF ALLOWING CATHEDRAL BEING BUILT IN MECCA?!.
MAYBE IF YOU DO THAT AMERICANS MIGHT ALLOW
ISLAMISTS TO BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA MIGHT BE NAMED THE CALIPHATE OF THE QUEEN ELIZABETH 😂😂😂🍁🇨🇦

Bravery24:



None but was not imposed on non Muslims and that must be respected.

Use goggle to find it yourself.

Religion of Islam isn't a tribe like many of you claimed, have the White Muslims/Christians/Jews and also Black Muslims/Christians/Jews etc, as citizens of a particular country. Am sure is part of one's constitutional right to practice his/her faith.

The number of Churches in Kano alone outnumbered the total number of Mosques in South South and South East combined. This alone negates the messages send out about these northerners to sane minds.

smokinloud:

United States is built on freedom and liberty that's why Muslims feel safer in USA than in Iran, Afghanistan or whatever Arab countries. There are even gay Muslims in the US. There is many churches in the North today because of the end time revival going on... A Christian can't gather ALMAJIRI kids and preach for them publicly without being persecuted. Churches are being destroyed in the North and you think that's fair play?!.

Bravery24:


The Almajiri kids you mentioned are they Muslims or Christians? If they're Muslims can a Muslim gather Christian kids and preach for them publicly in the South as well peacefully? Why do one wants to take advantage of their young age when the grown adult are there to preach to?

In Lagos, Churches were forced to close down by the state government because of the public nuisance no one make the noise about it.

If one say boko haram killed, attacked Churches they attacked Mosques too killed both Muslims/Christians even more Muslims from the statistics.

smokinloud:

You can preach for any kid in the South and nobody will persecute you provided their parents don't take them away from you.
Churches prosper in Lagos, I don't know who told you that churches are being forced to shut down. Lagos have the highest number of churches in Nigeria and even the state governor is a Christian. Which statistics show that boko haram kill more muslims than christians?!.
Islamists kill muslims too because they belive many muslims are hypocritical. The way Sadam Hussein killed Shia muslims in his own country. The way Turkey kills the kurds etc

Bravery24:


I am in the South, nobody will permit that including mine, if we don't share the same religion.

Few years back Churches were shutdown in Lagos including one near my former Office in Ikeja and also recently Lagos government announced some.

The number of people IDP camp speaks volume. Moreover, My uncle stayed in Maiduguri and My blood brother and cousins five of them are products of Unimaid during the ruin of Boko haram. Also have a childhood army friend posted to Sabisa forest the report is opposite of the news feeds us. Muslims don't engage in media war as Christians do.

smokinloud:


You claimed statistics have it that boko haram kills more muslims and I requested for proof you then said muslim don't engage in media war. Are you okay?!. When did statistic become media war?!.
Churches that are shut down were probably built on government infrastructures, lasg has never shut down a church as persecution on Christianity. I was born in Lagos.

Displacement is different from kpai and there's no statistics that have it that Bokoharam have killed more muslims. The displaced people in the IDP camp don't have databases of religion affiliation and there is no way Christians will be hunted without displacing a few Muslim.

Bravery24:



Boko haram formation started as a movement against the bad government many people willingly joined them including NYSC corper served in Maiduguri then but, later was hijacked by the extremists after the killing of their Leader Yusuf.

Government learnt from this scenario prefer to arrest Nnamdi Kanu and keep him in the custody than melt the same judgment like Yusuf on him to prevent another insurgency in the South.

Boko haram operates in Muslims populated area am sure you heard in the news they attacked Churches, Mosques, Schools, Bus stations, Towns, Villages and Market places. Do your Maths and use Ipob as a measure, if they say Ipob attacked and killed Muslims/Christians.

As for the Lagos arguments I do not want to prolong it further will use one clear example; Did Lagos State not banned people from preaching in public Buses? Who preach in Lagos public buses? Am sure you know the answer.

smokinloud:

Lagos have not ban preaching in public buses, you are not only allowed to preach in government owned buses.
Oga, you can't tell me about Bokoharam, I be Naija born

Ngwamankillyou2:


You should confirm what you need from the person you want to marry or are you scared about our list price...if any other negative things we are above it.

Thank you.

DMerciful:
Israel should not be the Pharoahs of our time, they should let Palestine go!

They were in this position for almost 2000yrs, they know how it feels.

Let the Palestinians go!

Bravery24:
Is Islam Really As Bad As It Is Painted?

If you have a true Muslim as your friend or an Orthodox Christian, you probably have the only human friend you will ever need. I am fifty years old, however, I have yet to see a people so committed over centuries to the principles of their holy books, like the Muslim Ummah and Orthodox Christians. But because of my background, I will not focus on orthodoxy, lest I be accused of bias. I am not a Muslim, and I am not planning on becoming one in this lifetime. So, perhaps I can be more objective when I talk about the conduct of Muslims.

Sure, there will be those who will misinterpret and twist what prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasalaam) taught, just as there are in Judaism, Christianity and other faiths, but for the most part, they are guided by their devotion to the prophet and worship of God.

From my experience, if you are going on a long trip and are unsure whether or not you will return, give your money and possessions to a true Muslim in trust for your heirs. That true Muslim may be tempted by government money. But NEVER by your own money.

Their lives are very predictable in that their religion makes allowance for everything that will happen to them from their birth to their death. Including how they eat, go to the toilet, dress, raise children, who they marry, when they marry, how they wed, and almost every other quotidian task.

In terms of tolerance, Western dominance of the mainstream media has given Islam a bad name. But for over a thousand years, when Jews were either banned, restricted or mistreated in Europe, they always had a place of sanctuary in the Muslim world.

After the Spanish Inquisition and the expulsion of Jews from Spain, it was the Ottoman Muslims and the Moors of Morocco that gave them asylum. Oh, please fact-check. There is $10,000 in it if you can fault me.

Sadly, the Western media has so demonised Islam. When my book, Shunpiking: No Shortcuts to God, was released, my publisher arranged for me to be interviewed on American Family Radio, one of the biggest radio stations in America, with 180 radio stations.

I used the word 'Good Muslims', and the interviewer interrupted me and asked me why I said that. He then said to me, 'Are there any good Muslims'.

But there are. The vast majority of the two billion Muslims on Earth are decent people. No faithful Muslim will harm or kill you if you say Yeshua, whom you erroneously call Jesus, is the way to God. They believe that He is a prophet. They believe that He is the Messiah. The Quran calls Yeshua al-Masih eleven times, including in Quran 4.157 and 4.171. Al-Quran also uses the terms Ruhullah and Kalimatullah to describe Him, meaning that He is a Word from God and is infused with the Spirit.

They believe that Yeshua was sent to only the children of Israel, which actually agrees with Matthew 15:24, where Yeshua said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

Those of us who follow Yeshua believe that His mission was expanded to include all humanity. But we can agree to disagree with our Muslim brothers, but they will never kill you on account of that difference. Only extremists will, and we have them in every Abrahamic faith.

The only reason for which a true Muslim will kill you is if you blaspheme the Name of Allah (SWT), or prophet Muhammad, Salla Allahu Alayhi Wasalaam, or engage in homosexuality, murder, etc.

Muslim Ottomans ruled Jerusalem for 400 years, between 1517 and 1917. Ask yourself how many Christians they killed. They allowed the building of churches in Jerusalem, they endured peaceful religious coexistence, and when Catholic Europe expelled all Jews, the Ottomans and the Moors gave the Jews asylum in Istanbul and Morocco:

But since Christian Europeans took over Jerusalem and Palestine in 1917, has there been peace? Are Muslims safe there? Is there peaceful coexistence?

A lot of the mistrust between Muslims and Christians started during the Crusades. And again, please fact-check me: the Crusades were initiated and primarily directed and financed by the Catholic Church against Muslims. Muslims were not the aggressors. They were defending themselves.

I am not referring to the conflicts between Byzantium and the Seljuk Turks. I am referring to the Crusades in the Holy Land. And there is another $10,000 in it if you fact-check me and prove me wrong.

And the European Crusaders showed my humanity, sympathy, and decency to Muslims in the Holy Land. Men, women, children and infants were slaughtered. Look, it is a sad fact of history.

Funny enough, as the first Crusaders were coming from France and Germany to the Holy Land, they were perpetrating pogroms against Jews in Europe. If you doubt what your Catholic brothers did, simply research the Rhineland massacres, which were the worst of them.

In contrast, when Saladin fought back and defeated the Crusaders, he showed humanity and mercy by allowing even surrendered Catholic knights to live and have safe passage back to Europe. Again, fact-check me and win $10,000.

So, in Africa, we must begin to see Islam from a different and proper perspective than what we have been conditioned to believe. And especially in Nigeria. Because we are the largest Islamo-Christian nation in the world. If we do not learn to understand each other, oh, I shudder at the alternative.

And if, God forbid, that alternative occurs, those who have poisoned your Christian hearts against Muslims will jejely sit down in their country while we slaughter each other.

Reno Omokri

Gospeller. Deep Thinker. #TableShaker. Ruffler of the Feathers of Obidents. #1 Bestselling author of Facts Versus Fiction: The True Story of the Jonathan Years. Hodophile. Hollywood Magazine Humanitarian of the Year, 2019. Business Insider Influencer of the Year 2022.