Sand2022:


That is why if you notice in their translation they added "other" in Col 1:16. Their view made them to use "a god" in their translation of John 1:1.

However, as I further went through the scriotures, I realized that the view is lacking. Why?

Janosky:

Hebrew 11:17
King James Bible
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,


Oga Sand2022, Is Isaac the only begotten son of Abraham his Father?

Jesus is a promised seed, likewise Isaac is a promised seed.
Like wise, Jesus is a creature,the son of God his Father.
Hebrew 11:17 = John 3:16.
No be rocket science.

Janosky:

John 1:1. Emphatic Diaglott ©1864.

1 In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word".

The same Greek grammatical construct of John 1:1 , the last sentence of John 1:1 is also the last sentence at Acts 28:6.


Also, @ Acts 12:22-23, referred to 2 beings as Greek Theos , but one of them is not Almighty God.
That sequence is the authentic manner to render John 1:1.
NWT is very accurate in John 1:1.

About 13 Bible translations (even though Trinitarian translations ) have similar rendition to NWT.

Oga, I'm giving you facts. Please go and verify.

Sand2022:

Last time I posted about the meaning of Trinity which many obviously don't know. Today, I will be writing about Jesus origin.

My previous belief was that Jesus was a creature. This is because of what I was taught as a JW. The view is that Col 1:15 says that Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation. The organization understand that to mean that Jesus was the first person created by God. They also understand the same about Only Begotten. They understand that begotten mean created. That Jesus is the only person directly created by Jehovah. And that after Jesus creation, God used Jesus to create all other things. That is why if you notice in their translation they added "other" in Col 1:16. Their view made them to use "a god" in their translation of John 1:1.

However, as I further went through the scriotures, I realized that the view is lacking. Why?

Why Jesus is not a Creature:

See John 1:1-3 once more.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence."

The bold face phrase shows clearly that Jesus cannot be a creature. Since this verse says that apart from Jesus, NOT even ONE thing came into existence, we only have two option, 1. If Jesus was created, Jesus must be the one who created himself. Why? Because apart from him, nothing was made. 2. He was not created.

The latter conclusion seems plausible
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Sand2022:

Secondly, the word "all" that appeared in verse 3 is "panta" which the New World Translation added "other" at Col 1:16. "Other" was not added at John 1:3. Obviously, because it can't fit the rest of the sentence. You cannot add "other" when the verse clearly said that apart from him not even one thing came into existence. It is also noteworthy that if you read col 1:16 in their interlinear, you will notice that "other" is not there showing that "other" was added.

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Why cling to John 1:1-3 & Colossians 1:16, when Jesus has proven at Matthew 19:4-6, Matthew 11:25 as well as the apostles John (John 5:25-26, John 17:7, Rev 3:14) & Paul (Romans 11:35-36. 1 Corinthians 8:6 & Hebrew 1:2, Ephesians 3:14-15 & Genesis 1:27) proven that God his Father created ALL THINGS?

@Job 41:11 (copied in Romans 11:35-36), the heavens belong to Jehovah God.
@1 Corinthians 3:23, did Jesus Christ belong to Jehovah God?

E get why? Matthew 11:25.
Trinity in the mud. Wotowoto.

Emusan:


Lying liar!

"a god" will continue to be a wrong rendering.

Here is another one you will be struggling with from Meta AI

Emusan posted the screenshot of the same Meta A.I Llama 3.1 about Colossians 1:15.

Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of all creation "


Trinity in the mud. Wotowoto.

Emusan you are as empty as your Meta A.I Llama conflicting itself.

Your Meta A.I said Jesus your deity is the first to be BORN or CREATED."

Dunce Meta A.I confusing dunce Trinitarian

Emusan:


So Jesus being an ETERNAL Father is useless to you
So why did Jesus was called ETERNAL FATHER?

Can a person who doesn't have son or daughter be called FATHER not to add ETERNAL?

MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmm no wonder Jehovah has never addressed any human as His brother but Jesus said:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my BROTHERS and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

Surely Jesus is one of Jehovah's Witnesses {Revelations 1:5} so he is one of our fellow wordhipers of the same FATHER who is Jehovah our GOD!

Jozzy4:

Thank you.
God the Father never address anyone as his Brother or himself as a Son of anyone. That's the uncreated one. Jesus is our brother

Jozzy4:
There is no single reference to Jesus sons or daughters. He has none. Everybody has just one Father, the uncreated one, that's never a Son

Janosky:

No Sir.
The same Greek grammatical construct of John 1:1 , the last sentence of John 1:1 is also the last sentence at Acts 28:6.
Nobody can CHANGE this fact.
Your Meta A.I can not CHANGE this solid fact.

Emusan posted the screenshot of the same Meta A.I Llama 3.1 about Colossians 1:15.

Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of all creation "


Trinity in the mud. Wotowoto.

Emusan you are as empty as your Meta A.I Llama conflicting itself.

Your Meta A.I said Jesus your deity is the first to be BORN or CREATED."

Dunce Meta A.I confusing dunce Trinitarian

Janosky:

No Sir, not plausible.
The point is,
Why cherry picking John 1:3 when you examine Romans 11:35-36 & 1 Corinthians 8:6 as well as Hebrew 1:2 conflicting with your post?

Romans 11:35-35
“Who has first given to God, that God should repay him?” 36For from Him (God ) and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen".

Oga, @ Romans 11:35-35, what came through the God his (Jesus) Father?

The other question:
Did Romans 11:35-36. 1 Corinthians 8:6 , Hebrew 1:2 agree with your claim about John 1:3?
Not at all.


Why cling to John 1:1-3 & Colossians 1:16, when Jesus has proven at Matthew 19:4-6, Matthew 11:25 as well as the apostles John (John 5:25-26, John 17:7, Rev 3:14) & Paul (Romans 11:35-36. 1 Corinthians 8:6 & Hebrew 1:2, Ephesians 3:14-15 & Genesis 1:27) proven that God his Father created ALL THINGS?

@Job 41:11 (copied in Romans 11:35-36), the heavens belong to Jehovah God.
@1 Corinthians 3:23, did Jesus Christ belong to Jehovah God?

E get why? Matthew 11:25.
Trinity in the mud. Wotowoto.

Aemmyjah:


Cucumber and onions made the children of Israel to have selfish longing


Sand2022 wants to enjoy a false freedom of independence from God and he starts telling himself lies in the guise of research

Emusan:


So, you agree that scripture lied for saying Jesus is an ETERNAL FATHER

No wonder he couldn't answer my question

Lying liar.

How can Jesus be ETERNAL FATHER without haven't children?

Emusan:


So, you agree that scripture lied for saying Jesus is an ETERNAL FATHER

No wonder he couldn't answer my question

Lying liar.


How can Jesus be ETERNAL FATHER without haven't children?

Jozzy4:


Because you don't read , Eternal Father not OUR Father

" Government on his shoulder "

He is an appointed representative in Government to act as a Father. Nobody be him own Son or daughter, there's nothing like Jesus Children, what we have is Jesus BROTHERS.

God the Father is called " OUR FATHER" " Father of ALL " . Everybody that proceed from him is called " Sons" both in heaven and earth.

All you need to do is provide where Son was applied to God the Father at any point in history. Doesn't exist, because that title is for created ones

Jozzy4:


Because you don't read , Eternal Father not OUR Father

" Government on his shoulder "

He is an appointed representative in Government to act as a Father. Nobody be him own Son or daughter, there's nothing like Jesus Children, what we have is Jesus BROTHERS.

God the Father is called " OUR FATHER" " Father of ALL " . Everybody that proceed from him is called " Sons" both in heaven and earth.

All you need to do is provide where Son was applied to God the Father at any point in history. Doesn't exist, because that title is for created ones

achorladey:


Their explanation why Jesus is eternal father...

Jehovah God as Creator is called Father. (Isa 64:8; compare Ac 17:28, 29.) He is also the Father of spirit-begotten Christians, the Aramaic term ʼAb·baʼʹ being used as an expression of respect and of close filial relationship. (Ro 8:15; see ABBA.) All who express faith with a hope of everlasting life can address God as Father. (Mt 6:9) Jesus Christ, the Messiah, because of being God’s Chief Agent of life, was prophetically called Eternal Father. (Isa 9:6) Also, anyone who has imitators and followers, or those who exhibit his qualities, is regarded as a father to them. (Mt 5:44, 45; Ro 4:11, 12) In this sense the Devil is spoken of as a father.​—Joh 8:44; compare Ge 3:15.

God sent his Son from heaven to be that new Adam to replace the first one. The Bible says: “‘The first man Adam became a living soul.’ The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven.” (1 Corinthians 15:45, 47) Jesus, “the last Adam,” is like “the first man Adam” in that He was a perfect man, capable of fathering perfect offspring, who could live forever in perfection on earth.​—Psalm 37:29; Revelation 21:3, 4.

Jesus, who fathered no children, remained faithful to God until his death, despite every attack of Satan. The perfect human life of integrity that Jesus sacrificed, or gave up, is called the ransom. “We have the release [from the sin and death inherited from Adam] by ransom through the blood of [Jesus],” the Bible explains. It also says: “Just as through the disobedience of [Adam] many were constituted sinners, likewise also through the obedience of [Jesus] many will be constituted righteous.”​—Ephesians 1:7; Romans 5:18, 19; Matthew 20:28.

If we exercise faith in Jesus, he will become both our “Everlasting Father” and our “Savior.” He will exercise his princely rule in a marvelous way as he serves as Ruler of his Father’s Kingdom. Let us next examine what it will be like to live under that rule and consider when we might expect to realize such grand blessings.​—Luke 2:8-11.

In such a way the heavenly Father of Jesus Christ will become the heavenly Grandfather of the restored human family. For this reason the human family will enter into a new relationship with the Creator of heaven and earth. Never was there the least possibility that Jehovah would fail in his original purpose. Thus Jehovah will have foiled the vicious, ungodly scheme of Satan the Devil. All the repurchased human family will be brought to the knowledge of this fact. What a wonderful day it will be when Jesus Christ takes over the fatherhood of the human family in order to rear mankind in Paradise restored to earth!

Jesus was also to be an “Eternal Father.” How would that be? Well, Adam was the first father of the human race. However, he lost the opportunity to be an “eternal father” when he sinned. He could no longer give his children everlasting life as an inheritance. Jesus, on the other hand, did not sin. And by sacrificing his sinless life for mankind, he opened the way to everlasting life for those who exercised faith. (John 3:16; 1 John 2:2) He thus will give them the everlasting life that Adam failed to give them. Hence, the Bible calls him “the last Adam,” “a life-giving spirit.” (1 Corinthians 15:45) He is properly called the “Eternal Father” of the future perfect human race.


cc: Emusan

Emusan:


Very common trait in them is how they deny their own publications but still claim to be having ONE LINE OF THOUGHT.

You can even see him saying ETERNAL Father not OUR FATHER yet failed to tell me how someone can be a Father without having children.

Emusan:


@achorladey has already done justice to that

But I know you people are shameless

achorladey:


But it was Jehovah’s will to crush him, and he let him become sick. If you will present his life as a guilt offering, He will see his offspring, he will prolong his days, And through him the delight of Jehovah will have success.

Next Isaiah says something startling: “Jehovah himself took delight in crushing him; he made him sick. If you will set his soul as a guilt offering, he will see his offspring, he will prolong his days, and in his hand what is the delight of Jehovah will succeed. Because of the trouble of his soul he will see, he will be satisfied. By means of his knowledge the righteous one, my servant, will bring a righteous standing to many people; and their errors he himself will bear.” (Isaiah 53:10, 11) How could Jehovah possibly take delight in seeing this faithful servant crushed? Clearly, Jehovah did not personally inflict suffering upon his dear Son. Jesus’ enemies were fully responsible for what they did to him. But Jehovah permitted them to act cruelly. (John 19:11) For what reason? Surely the God of empathy and tender compassion was pained to see his innocent Son suffer. (Isaiah 63:9; Luke 1:77, 78) Jehovah was certainly not displeased in any way with Jesus. Even so, Jehovah took delight in his Son’s willingness to suffer because of all the blessings that would result from it.

31. (a) In what way did Jehovah set Jesus’ soul as “a guilt offering”? (b) After all the trouble that Jesus experienced as a human, what must be particularly satisfying for him?

31 For one thing, Jehovah set Jesus’ soul as “a guilt offering.” Hence, when Jesus ascended back to heaven, he entered Jehovah’s presence bearing the merit of his sacrificed human life as a guilt offering, and Jehovah was pleased to accept it in behalf of all mankind. (Hebrews 9:24; 10:5-14) By means of his guilt offering, Jesus acquired [b] “offspring.” As “Eternal Father,” he is able to give life​—eternal life—​to those who exercise faith in his shed blood[/b]. (Isaiah 9:6) After all the trouble that Jesus went through as a human soul, how satisfying it must be for him to have the prospect of delivering mankind from sin and death! Of course, it must be even more satisfying for him to know that his integrity provided his heavenly Father with an answer to the taunts of His Adversary, Satan the Devil.​—Proverbs 27:11.


That's your religious publication admittance of Jesus having OFFSPRING and being ETERNAL FATHER.

Emusan:


@achorladey has already done justice to that

But I know you people are shameless

Jozzy4:


The writer put Offspring in " quotes" for a reason.

Regarding the same guilt offering

" For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers " Heb 2:11 .

Can you and your offspring Be BROTHERS?

Regarding the same guilt offering

Can you and your offspring Be BROTHERS?

Jozzy4:


No, the writer is not a dummy, he placed " Offspring" in quotes because he knows you can't be a brother with your offspring.

Aemmyjah:

Cucumber and onions made the children of Israel to have selfish longing
Sand2022 wants to enjoy a false freedom of independence from God and he starts telling himself lies in the guise of research

achorladey:


Isaiah 53:10 But it was Jehovah’s will to crush him, and he let him become sick. If you will present his life as a guilt offering, He will see his offspring, he will prolong his days, And through him the delight of Jehovah will have success.
Isaiah who penned it down didn't put offspring in quote.

He is not ashamed to call his offspring brothers.

He call them brothers.

Jozzy4:


He is not ashamed , because he knows he was created like others, he and us , all have ONE SOURCE.


If they were his true offspring, he would have been ashamed to call them brothers.

Nowhere will you see the Father call his creatures brothers. It's never done.

If they were his true offspring, he would have been ashamed to call them brothers

MaxInDHouse:


I always thank Jehovah for sending his servants JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES to me.

If not for the JWs the Genesis account of Satan deceiving Eve can never make sense to me.

What did Satan used to lure Eve into rebellion?

Is it not the quest for RESEARCH?

Gradually Eve become rebellious and initiated her husband too all in a quest for RESEARCH and where did their RESEARCH led them?

Nowhere?

Ask an apostate if he or she is still worshiping Jehovah they will tell you YES but when you ask them to show you the gathering of their fellow believers they will become provoked.

WHY?

Because they know within themselves that they are lost not knowing the way forward, yet each apostate will continue telling you to make RESEARCH.

Oteneaaron said the God of the Bible is Fake.
Courz said Jehovah is a demon.
And that's how confused and divided they are after their rebellion but then they will be telling you who is focused to join them in their so called RESEARCH that has led them ASTRAY!

achorladey:

Now that Isaiah didn't put offspring in quote you enter.......
I wonder, they were his imaginary offspring. He is not ashamed to call them brothers.
The same person that is not ashamed to empty his position and die for those he is not ashamed to call brothers.

Jozzy4:


How can you be ashamed to call fellow persons created BY YOUR FATHER, Brothers ?

The Bible said he is not ashamed to call us brothers because we all have the same Father and Source.

Anyone born by your Father is your brother.

He will never call us brothers if we are his children. Show me anywhere the Father call us brothers ? Never.

How can you be ashamed to call fellow persons created BY YOUR FATHER, Brothers?

If they were his true offspring, he would have been ashamed to call them brothers

How can you be ashamed to call fellow persons created BY YOUR FATHER, Brothers?

He will never call us brothers if we are his children

There is no single reference to Jesus sons or daughters. He has none.

No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human. More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake.

Jozzy4:


No, the writer is not a dummy, he placed " Offspring" in quotes because he knows you can't be a brother with your offspring.

achorladey:


You are the one saying......

Now....

I forgot it is not through Jesus that those he called brothers were created and you are the one differentiating true offspring from fake offspring.

You started from.....

When Isaiah said he has offspring you entered. Offspring in quote despite your religious publications defended why he is called eternal father using that same scripture and others.

Jesus calling humans brothers will indeed be a problem despite your belief that God used him to create humans.

Emusan:


You can see how he was shamelessly twisting mouth.

Scripture boldly says Jesus is an ETERNAL FATHER, he couldn't explain how ETERNAL FATHER won't have Children.

The same scripture still went further to say His OFFSPRINGS the lying liar claimed there was a quotation mark there.

Can you imagine?

Very pathetic people.