FxMasterz:


Yet, the Bible says he was not deceived. Should we believe you or the scriptures?

FxMasterz:


Yet, the Bible says he was not deceived. Should we believe you or the scriptures?

Lucifyre:


Why would blood be required? Why blood even? Why not saliva or sweat or urine? Yes i'm been facetious, but that's cause it makes no iota of sense and is just regurgitated lines of indoctrination. Besides which lost souls, i thought that was already taken care of with the flood. So how come after wiping everything cause of they weren't how you wanted, in order to start afresh, you still end up with 'lost souls' needing to be saved. Does that mean the first plan failed so it had to be redone?!

And this time instead of get angry and destroying everything like an impatient child, he decides to to 'forgive' but with extra kafkaesque steps that he himself set up. His words can not be nullified?! When there are several examples of exactly that happening and its explained a way with mental gymnastics. Nah! If a person forgives you for wrongdoing, they simply move on, no extra steps. QED.

Gabrielshow24:
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Gabrielshow24:


I thought you were sane and open to logic but now I can see that you are not logical at all!


You stray away from points; when confronted you become defensive.
It is so clear that history does not deny the existence of Jesus. It's believed he existed; confirmed by major religions of the world!

Gabrielshow24:


Even a logical person can argue that Adam was not deceived, Eve was deceived that's even why when God asked him. He transferred blame saying the woman you gave me made me eat of the tree but before the law there is no ignorance go and read the analogy I gave to answer this. Read it and get clarity!

And stop Preaching fallacies.
This above even goes against your enlightenment doctrine because if she were enlightened she would have known that the devil meant her no good and if he were enlightened he would have convinced her that the devil also meant them no good!

Paul stylishly used this to show the consequences of having women in positions of power because Adam heeded to Eve they both fell!!!

Logic son!!!

Gabrielshow24:


By their fruits we shall know them
How pathetic?
A grown up christian that cannot discern when the logic of gender is used to uphold the office holding of men.

If you read my previous write up you would have seen the answer to this question!

How can you say someone is enlightened and yet get stumped?
How can I say someone is a Grandmaster in chess and yet an amateur beat him in a tournament match? Either one that Grandmaster title is false or He didn't take it seriously then what's the point of him coming to a tournament?
What does that tell you?
They were not enlightened at all
Secondly if I were already enlightened how come would I be tempted with enlightenment?
Or do they tempt people with things they already have?

When Jesus was hungry what did the devil tempt him with? Perhaps according to your logic he tempted him with hunger or maybe the devil motivated him to fast more and attain more hunger!!! That's how your analogy sounds

You are a child
Go and study the scripture and stop saying fallacies .

Imagine a newborn christian taking that in!
How disastrous that will be?
The christian will now believe that Adam and eve were enlightened before the fall!!!

Gabrielshow24:


By their fruits we shall know them
How pathetic?
A grown up christian that cannot discern when the logic of gender is used to uphold the office holding of men.

If you read my previous write up you would have seen the answer to this question!

How can you say someone is enlightened and yet get stumped?
How can I say someone is a Grandmaster in chess and yet an amateur beat him in a tournament match? Either one that Grandmaster title is false or He didn't take it seriously then what's the point of him coming to a tournament?
What does that tell you?
They were not enlightened at all
Secondly if I were already enlightened how come would I be tempted with enlightenment?
Or do they tempt people with things they already have?

When Jesus was hungry what did the devil tempt him with? Perhaps according to your logic he tempted him with hunger or maybe the devil motivated him to fast more and attain more hunger!!! That's how your analogy sounds

You are a child
Go and study the scripture and stop saying fallacies .

Imagine a newborn christian taking that in!
How disastrous that will be?
The christian will now believe that Adam and eve were enlightened before the fall!!!

FxMasterz:


Mtcheww.

Someone who is thinking angels are related to the tree analogy of Romans 10 still thinks he has something to say.

This is someone
who was faulting me for using the marriage analogy of Christ without seeing that it was the Bible that actually made the analogy.

Someone comparing fallen men to upright angels. Lol.

Should I keep mentioning all the errors you have made so far?

I can't read whatever you muddled up there in this empty mention. Stop jumbling my words with yours if you expect me to really read and mention you in response.

You're even already really angry and upset. It shows in all your name calling. Emotionally immature kid. Carnal Christian.

Gabrielshow24:


Now I see you are child of belial When did I fault you for using a marriage analogy when it is predominantly in the bible you transfer this thought to me as if I ever faulted it. That's not my bone of contention: your logic of man being enlightened before the fall, your emphasis on superiority with Angels etc

Your microscopic point of view would never let you learn. I said Christ is the tree of life I consider all life(in whole of existence) not measly earthly life!
If you truly read what I first wrote you would have seen what I meant by this.

Once again You portray your foolishness!

FxMasterz:


Do I even have time for empty boasting? I'm a teacher of the Word by the Grace of God. I have celebrated over 30yrs of being a Bible student.

If you don't believe what the Bible says, and you believe your own logic instead, no one can help you.

The Bible says Adam was not tempted.

FxMasterz:


Do I even have time for empty boasting? I'm a teacher of the Word by the Grace of God. I have celebrated over 30yrs of being a Bible student.

If you don't believe what the Bible says, and you believe your own logic instead, no one can help you.

The Bible says Adam was not tempted.

Gabrielshow24:


The bible also says men should slays rams and cows.
What's your point?

The bible mentions that men should eat in haste!
I can say that from exodus but does wisdom not tell me to check the context ?

Ha, once again you don't know what you're saying!

But is understanding not key to get the right context?

Gabrielshow24:


The bible also says "no man will die for another man's sin"
At least that's from Exodus but does that negate that Jesus died for us?

Once again you don't know what you are saying

FxMasterz:

And the Bible says that Jesus our passover lamb have been sacrificed for us. What's your point?


My dear these are Old testament things which the Bible clearly says are gone with the old dispensation

Indeed! 😁

. Why are you so confused? Just because you want to water down the Word of God

The error is with your interpretation not with the word of God, your interpretation is so absurd even when visible logic is shown to you, you still regress

that says Adam was not deceived, in order to establish your own word that he was. God will.judge every unrighteous!

And yet the bible said that: one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. You just do selective reasoning, you pick what soothes you



Which context? Do you even read the Bible at all?
Everything in the bible is subject to interpretation and proper context. You know nothing!

FxMasterz:


Has any man ever died for another man's sins according to the context?

Jesus laid His own life down for us of His own accord. He took our sins upon Himself. No one laid out charges upon Him.

FxMasterz:


You still want to add lies to your stock in trade? I'll expose you with just a screenshot!

FxMasterz:

FxMasterz:


Do I even have time for empty boasting? I'm a teacher of the Word by the Grace of God. I have celebrated over 30yrs of being a Bible student.

If you don't believe what the Bible says, and you believe your own logic instead, no one can help you.

The Bible says Adam was not tempted.

Gabrielshow24:


Bible says Jesus was crucified in Egypt!
But doesn't the verse above not require understanding.

Foolishness from a 30+ bible teacher.
I wonder what would have become of those Pupils of yours; parading around with wrong doctrines and interpretation!

Gabrielshow24:

Once again here are your doctrines going as far as saying that Adam ate of the tree of Life! What kind of misleading remark is this ? You will find attached replies of people even before I came in

FxMasterz:


I won't be the one to be throwing banters while discussing scriptures. That's for kids like you.

Hey! Where does the Bible say Jesus was crucified in Egypt? Any scripture reference? Just one!

The Bible says Jesus was crucified in Sodom and Egypt. Revelation 11:8. Everyone understands that Sodom and Egypt is a symbolism.

The Bible never said Jesus was crucified in Egypt. Show us such verse!

We can differentiate symbolic languages from literal expressions in scripture. You are just an arrogant heretic.

Gabrielshow24:


Let me expose you for lying against me for saying I faulted you as regards marriage analogy when I did no such thing!!!

From the picture below you can see the statement you said angels are servants in Heaven; men are rulers!

I want to expose your evil doctrine to the world. Your gainsaying from a 30yr+ bible reader how pathetic!!!

FxMasterz:


I have not denied that I said that.

Adam ate of all the trees in the garden except the one in the middle which he eventually took from.

Can you show us any scripture that says he didn't eat of it? Adam ate until his right to that tree was removed.

Infact in Revelation 22:14, the scriptures say:

"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. "

Once the right is restored at the restitution of all things, we would have access AGAIN to the tree of life.

Give us a scripture that says Adam never ate of the tree of life. Perhaps in your thinking, you are of the opinion that Adam fell a few days after he was created. According to Jewish traditions, Adam and Eve were in that garden for many years, probably hundreds of years before they fell. Tell me why they would not eat of the tree of life to which they had all access.

I know you wouldn't respond but instead bring up your own heretical fallacies. I'm demanding two things from you:

1. A scripture that says Adam and Eve never ate of the tree of life.

2. Tell me why they would not eat of that tree of life all the while they had access to it.

God didn't want them to live forever in their fallen state, that's why He removed their rights to the tree. The angels had to quickly guard the tree because Adam and Eve would make a frantic effort to recover the immortality which they have lost.

Death is a curse in our world. It started at the time when God said "Dust thou art, and to dust shalt thou return." Man was not created initially to return to dust. It was the curse which came as a result of disobedience.

May the Lord give you understanding.

Gabrielshow24:


And from the law is that valid? that's why jews don't believe Jesus is the messiah because the law clearly says that "the mother shall not die for the child's sins and vice versa" but context makes us know that a temporal solution was the law for the meantime until when God provides an eternal(permanent) solution in the blood of Son! Is it not understanding that kills the Jews that they do not believe in the sonship of Jesus? Also likewise the Muslims in the sonship of God! When Muslims ask you show me unequivocally a place where Jesus said he was God but in the bible he only made mention of the prophecy of Daniel "the son of man" but we know from wisdom that God will give everything to the Son of Man.

"In all thy getting get Understanding"

Gabrielshow24:


Using your own logic against you; you call me an heretic. It's now you know of symbolism. That verse is just to show you that everything in script must be properly interpretated unlike the fallacies you have said before.

Now I know for a surety that you lack understanding.
You never seem to get complete understanding of things.
You hastily choose that which pleases you.
Where in the Bible was it written that Adam ate of the tree of life?
No where!!! you just make it up as you go

FxMasterz:


I have never reneged on anything I said here. So, what exactly are you exposing?

You're the one who said you never berated me

You get problem, did you even read what I wrote to you? Is it not evidenced there that I took support of the marriage symbolism? What is the error in your ways? Your doctrinal inclinations are misleading.
From what I wrote does it show I go against the analogy?

Your initial statement was that I was opposed to the analogy which was a blatant lie!
Your initial statement didn't include berating which you have so easily added to validate your point!!!

🤔Ah, I fail to see how you became a teacher
If you can't understand the simple message I am passing across.


for alluding to the marital symbolism between Christ and the Church. You even attributed the statement to me. Then, you denied that you never berated me. The screenshot below exposes you.

FxMasterz:


My dear, answer my questions. Banters cannot save you.

If you want me to tell you where in the Bible Adam was said to have eaten of the tree of life, then, you have to tell me which tree the Bible said Adam ate from.


Which tree did the Bible say Adam ate from? Can you?

Now, see it this way:

1. Adam was given all trees to eat except the forbidden one.

2. The tree of life was among the 'ALL trees'.

3. What would have stopped Adam from eating the tree that was given him and going for the one that was forbidden?

4. All the while he was in the garden, spanning a period of many years, what would stop him for eating of the tree of life?

5. If Adam was not eating of it, why would God bother Himself to have acted so quickly to block them from accessing the tree that they have never been interested in eating?

5 questions my dear. No fluffs. Go straight to the answers. I'm waiting.

FxMasterz:


This is not how to view that law my friend.

It's very simple.

God will not judge someone for the sins of another. That's the law. A man would not die for another man. That's what the law says which you quoted. No dispute about that.

What the law didn't say is "a man cannot offer himself for the sins of another."

These are two different things. The law says a judge won't say because your father sinned, you must die for the sins of your father.

But if you offer yourself as a propitiation for your father's sins, there's no law against that.

That's why Jesus said clearly in John 10:13

"No one can take my life from me (not even a judge because the law does not permit any judge to take my life for the sins of another). I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again."

This is the Scripture. Please be advised.

Gabrielshow24:


[b] Everyone knows that in the presence of God there is life, it didn't matter whether the tree was there or not as long as God was with them they had life. God wanted them to see beyond that. Likewise the tree of Knowledge as long as they were with God also they had knowledge they didn't need to go looking for that which they already had!

But from the perspective of men they thought they didn't have these things; they thought eating of the tree of knowledge would make them gain knowledge hence the illusory effect of seeking that which one already had was in motion- they just had to ask!!!

But your arguments is misleading saying they ate of the tree of life when the bible says in Revelation implying that the tree which was denied man in the beginning will be available for all those who make it!

And if truly they ate of the tree of Life like you propose then they would not have died!

Scriptures says "Seek first the Kingdom of God and its righteousness and all other things shall be added unto you"

They didn't eat of the tree of life cause if they had eaten God would have made it clear and his statement "lest they eat" would not be the same as it was written down![/b]

Gabrielshow24:


But the law is the law even if the person offers himself instead it's in the discretion of the Law to uphold the law letter by letter; word for word hence such offerings will not be acceptable before the law which negates your sentiments!

In the united States have you ever seen them jail innocent mother for her son's crimes? even though she is willing to serve time, Never!!!

Research before you make general statements that are misleading!

From the law's(Torah) perspective(physical perspective). Jesus had no right to die for our sins the emphasis of the judgement is on individual accountability and responsibility. Some might even argue that he was crucified because of his charges! That he died because of his sins but we know of the Spiritual perspective involved which defeats this physical views that's why I am a son of God. It doesn't mean I don't know what to expect from the minds of men.

Let your statements be clear without contradictions!!!

You could do so well as to add more years to the study of the bible you still need more work!!!