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Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by dayokanu(m): 5:19pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
^^ By my own reckoning cities should be ranked by population (most importantly) I cant find any definition of a city which excludes the large Population |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by aljharem3: 5:24pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
Ok here it is Note ranking is done based on the world standared and in the ordered Urban Area Rank City Pop Rank City City Population Urban Area Population 27 15 Lagos 8029200 9123200 88 53 Kano 3248700 3519500 78 54 Ibadan 3078400 3670400 259 151 Kaduna 1458900 1458900 324 255 Port Harcourt 1053900 1190600 392 256 Benin 1051600 1051600 428 282 Maiduguri 971700 971700 469 304 Zaria 898900 898900 468 350 Aba 784500 899100 554 371 Ilorin 756400 756400 563 377 Jos 742100 742100 420 386 Ogbomosho 726300 985600 656 456 Oyo 620400 620400 621 479 Enugu 593300 662800 597 560 Abeokuta 529700 698100 413 594 Onitsha 509500 1001000 817 609 Warri 500900 500900 818 610 Sokoto 500500 500500 885 694 Okene 444900 444900 899 713 Calabar 431200 431200 302 729 Oshogbo 421000 1309900 954 797 Katsina 387000 387000 984 844 Akure 369700 369700 1121 1012 Ife 313400 313400 etc http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/Nigeria.htm |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:28pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
dayokanu: I already acknowledged that but still maintain that it is only one of the factors, as data from cities outside Nigeria suggest too. So what is your cut off (100K, 200K, 1000K?) population? Most Nigerian towns have pops of 100K+ A ''city'' of 200k that has no single industry of note and must depend on good and services from a city of 50 k is a no brainer to me. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:30pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
alj_harem: The thread is not talking about pop numbers but about one-city status of most Nigerian states. Still yours is based on pop only and we know how distorted our pop acquiring procedures are. Its not finicky to me, sorry. Oshogbo and Ife which ranks first in the overall scheme of things in Osun state? |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by aljharem3: 5:33pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
Nchara: dude it was not based on population but based on [size=15pt]WORLD'S URBAN RANKING[/size] To be honest, it is really sad that you are comparing the largest city in west africa in the same league as Lagos and onitsha Ibadan is the largest and one of the oldest cities in Africa. Now look at the urban ranking, it says it all |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:34pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
What is urban? A town is also an urban area, no? Must you be a city to be urban? How does that relate to this thread? Yes, Ibadan is the largest, IYO, so what? it Is still a city, no? This thread is not talking about populations, it is talking about one-city status. What other cities are in Oyo state except you rate based on population, when Ogbomosho and Oyo would then be considered? |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:41pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
An urban area is characterized by higher population density and vast human features in comparison to areas surrounding it. Urban areas may be cities, towns or conurbations, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_area |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by dayokanu(m): 5:46pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
Nchara: Since Africa is not known for industries why should we now base it on it? Ogbomosho and Oyo have several educational institutions , they also have their own small scale industries They have the needed POPULATION and land mass to categorize them as cities |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:51pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
dayokanu: Every Nigerian town has one small scale industry or another. What is your population cut-off that we can determine from? Africa is not known for industries? What is Lagos, Nnewi, Aba, Kano, P.H. Ibadan known for again? If we go by industries, then Agbara in Ogun state and Nnewi in Anambra state should be cities. Ogbomosho has LAUTech, Oyo has Adeyemi Col of Edu. What else do they have? So do other smaller towns such as Otta, Umudike, Ekpoma etc. Are they also cities? Only pop can ever classify Ogbomosho as a city but then we need to have a cut= off so that other towns within that cut-off will be added as cities too. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nobody: 5:52pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
@ poster Going by your judgements of other "cities" even Umuahia wouldn't make it to city status. I think your post has tribal emphasis , think not ? |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 5:54pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
apocalypse: Umuahia is a state capital. All Nigerian state capitals are automatically cities (going by the norm in Nigeria). Take your stoopid tribalism to your bedroom. Thanks. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by austin2002: 5:55pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
dayokanu, That you came from donkey Bottom doesn't allow you to say something out of your stench mouth.Like I said whoever talk poo about Ojukwu,Biafrans etc, God of Abraham,God of Moses will render his or her family useless.And watch dayokanu your family is about to be gone in a heart bit. poo bag like you gotten mouth to talk about Ojukwe.Get some real education on the War before useless cockcroach like you say something else. I bet you dare go to Ojukwu's place and repeat that, coward poo bag.Again may the Spirits of the fallen Biafrans fall on your family and let them and u suffer a terrible death Amen. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by dayokanu(m): 6:00pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
Nchara: Any place with a population of over 300k deserves a city status. Ibadan for one is not known for industries but as a huge population center Same with kano. How many of those cities you listed are capital cities? Ogbomoso and Oyo have huge populations, Has Higher institutions, has a large expanse of Land Those are factors which qualify it for a city status |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by dayokanu(m): 6:03pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
austin2002: All these bile because of Ojuku the worst coward ever known in African history. Which warlord escapes and leaves his troops to suffer. Ojuku is a useless man and his wife has now become the National bicycle that everyone is riding from Ojukus brother to Jonathan to Ojukus children all now ride Bian[b]car[/b] |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 6:10pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
dayokanu: By that definition all state capitals with less than 300K are not cities, right? How did you arrive at that particular number? Indeed there are many industries in Ibadan; it seems however to be overwhelmed by the huge population. I do not see anywhere in the world where having higher institutions make a place a city We often hear the phrase ''university town'' every now and then. Does the desert, uninhibited large expanse of land between Kano and Jigawa make that place a city? There is something unique in Enugu, Ibadan, Benin, Kano, Abeokuta, Lagos, and other such cities that makes them cities that are clearly lacking in Ogbomosho. Of course this is my opinion and it is not in any way official. I believe Lagos (whatever the boundary is) should be divided into more than the one megacity it is now. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by odumchi: 6:12pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
This I amusing. First of all, what are the standards of a "city"?t There are many places that people excluded. Anambra: Onicha, Awka, Nnewi Abia: Umuahia Aba Arochukwu (third largest town in the state with over 200,000 people) Imo: Okigwe Owerre Enugu: Nnewi Enugu city |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 6:15pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
DK, By that definition of 300K cut off Lokoja Asaba Abakaliki Yenagoa Jalingo and possibly others all state capitals but with pop below even 250K (by Nigerian fake census) will not be cities. How would you consider a ''city'' with 299K people? |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Abagworo(m): 6:28pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
A city has to be planned and must have high rises and public buildings. Population does not matter much. Oklahoma city has only just over half a million inhabitants but is a city. In Nigeria a place like Abeokuta with over half a million people still looks like a large densely populated village. Same goes for Akure, Aba, Oshogbo-Ede, Onitsha, Aba, Kano, Zaria, Benin. They lack high ways, well layed out streets and High rises. Take a look at Lagos(Particularly the Island not Ikorodu,Surulere or Ikeja) and Abuja, while driving there you will have the feel of a city. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 6:36pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
Abagworo: High rise buildings alone don't make a city. Otherwise only Lagos (those parts you mentioned) and Abuja will qualify as cities. Enugu, Owerri and Umuahia are significantly well-planned cities but no major high rises. Population does matter but is not the only criterion. Moreover, it is difficult to arrive at a population cut off that makes a city. Per Nigeria, I believe a place with some level of planned infrastructure with a pop of 100K and above, having some number of viable industries (not necessarily farming), significant commerce, administrative significance, hotels and banks is a city. That brings many Nigerian cities into my definition. However it is put, it is clear that many Nigerian states are one-city states. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by JamesDoe: 6:45pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
What is considered a city is subjective. But it should suffice that well-regarded organisations consider then cities. Cities (except govt fiat ones) are organic but states and their boundaries have been arbitrarily drawn. Lagos Island was already a prominent place when the British colonised it during the Dosumu-Kosoko wars. Perhaps it is better to consider zones, but knowing NL, this thread will go toxic. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Yinkay: 6:52pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
There is Umuakwu City in Nsullu ,Isiala Ngwa North in Abia State, where re welcomed there as a Youth Corper some years ago with frothing Palmwine during endurance trek, so Abia will have Aba,Umuahia and Umuakwu, |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 6:55pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
Yinkay: How do we locate that city on the map? |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 6:58pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
JamesDoe: Govt fiat is perhaps the most important reason why Nigerian states are mostly one-city states? Another will be the penchant for govts (states and fed) to develop the country unevenly |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nobody: 7:02pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
Yinkay: Guess we have two things in common : I bear Yinka and we both served in Abia. What we don't have in common is bullsh*t ,come on Nsiala Ngwa a city ? you must be high on meth |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 7:08pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
dayokanu: Let's analyze this: Okene (Kogi state) has a pop of 320,260 (according to Wiki) and 444990 (from Alj Harem's link). But that is practically all we know about that place in terms of anything you might consider of importance for a place to be considered a city. In contrast, Asaba (Delta State) has a pop of 149603 (2006 census, which I believe is inaccurate), but it is a state administrative place with an airport, banks, several standard hotels, thriving commerce and some industries that are working. Will Okene be a city and Asaba not, IYO? |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by scholes0(m): 7:10pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
[QUOTE]A city has to be planned and must have high rises and public buildings. Population does not matter much. Oklahoma city has only just over half a million inhabitants but is a city. In Nigeria a place like Abeokuta with over half a million people still looks like a large densely populated village. Same goes for Akure, Aba, Oshogbo-Ede, Onitsha, Aba, Kano, Zaria, Benin. They lack high ways, well layed out streets and High rises. Take a look at Lagos(Particularly the Island not Ikorodu,Surulere or Ikeja) and Abuja, while driving there you will have the feel of a city.[/QUOTE]] Whose criteria are these? And, what is this ''feel of a city''??, care to explain it to me in details?? Feel of a city is subjective, dude. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by scholes0(m): 7:13pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
[QUOTE]Let's analyze this: Okene (Kogi state) has a pop of 320,260 (according to Wiki) and 444990 (from Alj Harem's link). But that is practically all we know about that place in terms of anything you might consider of importance for a place to be considered a city. In contrast, Asaba (Delta State) has a pop of 149603 (2006 census, which I believe is inaccurate), but it is a state administrative place with an airport, banks, several standard hotels, thriving commerce and some industries that are working. Will Okene be a city and Asaba not, IYO? [/QUOTE] Dude, why are you talking out of your Bottom?? Have U ever been to Okene before?? Yeah right, that was what I thought about Okene, before I travelled there./, It is a BIG CITY, with thriving Commerce, everywhere, arguably one of the most important cities in Central Nigeria. Apparently, someone here thinks Okene is a ''glorified village'' that u dont know nathing about Okene, doesen't mean, Millions of other Nigerians don't. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Yinkay: 7:15pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
@apocalypse There is Umuakwu City in Nsullu ,Isiala Ngwa North in Abia State, where re welcomed there as a Youth Corper some years ago with frothing Palmwine during endurance trek, so Abia will have Aba,Umuahia and Umuakwu, Guess we have two things in common : I bear Yinka and we both served in Abia. What we don't have in common is bullsh*t ,come on Nsiala Ngwa a city ? you must be high on meth If you passed thru Nsullu Games village for the orientation, you must have been to the place, at the entrance to Umuakwu, it says you are welcome to Umuakwu City, and you cannot begrudge a group of people their aspirations and ambitions in life. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by GAR3TH(m): 7:25pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
A small town, even if they are capitals, are still considered towns even in the western world. The administrative name for any settlement, despite its population is considered a city. But people refer to towns, hamlets, villages or cities by their population and economic activity. There are suburban towns with populations of 330,000 but they are not referred to as cities because they don't have major economic activity, influence and other factors. But what a city is can not really be defined. They way I define a city is by comparing. We all know lagos is a true city, so just compare lagos to other towns and see if those towns can be called a city. In reality you'll find that nigeria only has about 10 true cities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islip_(town),_New_York population 322,612, GDP ~ 1 billion still considered a town |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nobody: 7:29pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
Nchara: State capital or not , Umuahia can't be compared to towns you have condemned on this thread going by any criterion. Which norm ? , did you make the norm ?. If so Osun state should be classified as a multicity state having Osogbo ( the state capital ) and Ilesha which can be classified as a city going by all standards , even yours. Yeah , what's with the niceties after an insult , why not - take your stoopid tribalism to your bedroom you matterphucher. |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nobody: 7:36pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
@ poster I think I was hard on you so let me be euphemistic - your thread is ethnocentric. Semantics at work |
Re: Why Are Nigerian States Mostly One-city States? by Nchara: 7:44pm On Dec 18, 2011 |
scholes0: Practically every Nigerian village has a thriving commerce on agricultural produce in local markets many with no shades or stalls. I have been to Okene twice but for the bigger population, it is not different from Afikpo or Idanre. I guess they are all cities then. |
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