ivandragon:


The comment was not meant for you. If you want to be educated there are educational materials you can read up on 'collared' workforce.

ivandragon:


Ok. On your first statement, so what area of mechanical engineering did you specialise in and what kind of jobs do you do mainly?

On your second point, I am not defending the senator's statement and I am certainly not absolving him of the leadership failure.

I am more focused on the relevance of technical skills towards industrialisation.

ceejayluv:

I beg to differ. To truly industrialize Nigeria, we need huge investments, power sector reforms and whole lots of favourable laws and policies. For example, the dangote refinery has been recruiting graduate engineers for years now and recently employed over 200 graduate trainees. Imagine what 20 of such investments will absorb. The skills graduates possess are more valuable in such industries as there are opportunities for research and development.
Of course, more Artisans Will even be needed in the construction and operating stage as well.

ceejayluv:

I'm an industrial Maintenance Engineer, with multidisciplinary experience (Electro-Mechanical, Automation) . I supervise a multi skilled team as well - from technicians/artisans to graduates. While the technicians are invaluable and efficiently implement maintenance plans and work orders , there are certain design, numerical and analytical skills that are needed occasionally especially when it comes to Maintenance planning, data-driven decisions, continuous improvement, etc. where the graduates fit in by virtue of their background.

lexy2014:


since you have read these educational materials, I dont see anywhere in your comments that shows that you have a very good understanding and knowledge about how society works or is stratified.

can you share what you read in those educational materials?

ivandragon:


And how does your opinion neglect the fact that blue collar jobs are essential to any economy?

You people need to read to understand comments before you respond.

tctrills:

Funny you don't even understand my comment.
So does an economy need blue collar workers?
Yes.
Is the Nigerian problem a lack of blue collar workers?
No.
So let's stop wasting time on meaningless arguments and start tackling our real problems.

tctrills:

Funny you don't even understand my comment.
So does an economy need blue collar workers?
Yes.
Is the Nigerian problem a lack of blue collar workers?
No.
So let's stop wasting time on meaningless arguments and start tackling our real problems.

ivandragon:
Are you too lazy to do your own research? If you are, let me know, then I can assist you.

ivandragon:
That is a crude way of putting it, but Oshiomole is right. To industrialise, Nigeria needs more technical work force.

However, the socio-economic conditions and value system in nigeria does not give proper dignity and reward to such jobs, except on few occasions.

blueAgent:


Na lie.

Buildings, Utilities and whatever are designed by engineers and built by artisans.

Christistruth02:



They are needed

ivandragon:


Zuckerberg was already doing technical jobs as at 14 years old. Anyhow it is sugar coated, it is a blur collar role. That he became a successful entrepreneur is another matter entirely.

Again, you seen to be mixing the main issue here and have deviated from the focus of the discussion.

I think you were the one that spoke about only university people becomeing rich or something to that effect which was what led to my statement of Zuckerberg and others who became rich without formal education.

So please get your focus right or if you were not the one that brought up the connection between university graduates and wealth, then maybe you should takeup your discussion with the person that did.

ivandragon:


Another lout that is flaunting stupi1dity as knowledge.

When you learn about the role of blue collar jobs in the society, come back and apologise for your inability to grasp how society works.

yesloaded:


Come to Ibadan, we have one established by late Ajimobi although I am not sure if it's properly funded

TEYA:

blue collar jobs are very important, they are well paid in first world countries, yet they don't talk down on professionals like you ignoramuses do. The London city and guilds is an offshoot of the Royal institute of British architects and engineers' professional body in UK. no one in the developed world will say bricklayers and iron benders are the harbingers of industrialisation like your foolish leaders who you well deserve say.

Kukutente23:

But you do agree we need more of his kind and not more of bricklayers? It's about technical growth. If you ask me, you can have 100 bricklayers and not get an improvement in building technology while one civil engineer can make an improvement. Saying we need more bricklayers in Nigeria than varsity products is a sign of how badly the understanding of technological advancement is lacking in my view

skywalker240:

Exactly

It is shame if people don't understand what the Man is obviously trying to say

A great civilization works with artisans and great thinkers (puzzle solver's)

TEYA:

blue collar jobs are very important, they are well paid in first world countries, yet they don't talk down on professionals like you ignoramuses do. The London city and guilds is an offshoot of the Royal institute of British architects and engineers' professional body in UK. no one in the developed world will say bricklayers and iron benders are the harbingers of industrialisation like your foolish leaders who you well deserve say.

Douglad:


What you said has no relationship with what I initially typed.

There are poorly skilled blue collar workers and white collar workers. Zeroing in on the poorly skilled class of the blue collar workers and abandoning the average that'll see a drop in demand due to the declining purchasing power of the white collar class is a red herring here.

You declined to engage with the economical aspect of my post but the economical aspect was the critical part of it.

Building houses, furnitures, fixing AC, fixing cars, appliances et al are areas where a good number of artisans earn a living from and when the economy is bad, they see less work.

It's a well-known and established fact that when economy is bad, there's a sharp decline in the average customer's demand for durable items and non-essential services.

We'll see a rise in the supply for good quality artisans when the demand for artisan increases with good pay.

smokinloud:

My point is that no 'Nigeria artisan' is a millionaire (dollar millionaire). Zuckerberg was never in a blue collar profession.

wirinet:

Oshiomole was not talking about technical work force, he was talking about artisans. Ie bricklayers, painters, iron benders, vulcanisers, tailors and when labourers.
Industrialisation requires mainly skilled manpower, like engineers and technicians.

lexy2014:


is asking you the following not research?

since you have read these educational materials, I dont see anywhere in your comments that shows that you have a very good understanding and knowledge about how society works or is stratified.

can you share what you read in those educational materials?

ivandragon:


You think you must work in a structured organisation to be classified as a blue collar worker?

Why are you arguing out of context? I clearly said socioeconomic conditions and the value system undermines technicians in Nigeria, so what's your fixation with nigerian artisans that are billionaires?

In developed countries, you have blue collar workers that became billionaires.

Kbrule:


Are bricklayers and iron benders the ones that will industralize Nigeria?

wirinet:

You seem to conflate artisans with engineers. Artisans are the basic or rudimentary semi - skilled worker that can only handle basic tasks. For example, an electrician (artisan) can wire a small bungalow, but it would be stupid and suicidal to task an electrician to wire a high rise building or a hospital. You would need an electrical engineer for more complex wiring. Same with plumbing or any other building services.

ceejayluv:

I'm an industrial Maintenance Engineer, with multidisciplinary experience (Electro-Mechanical, Automation) . I supervise a multi skilled team as well - from technicians/artisans to graduates. While the technicians are invaluable and efficiently implement maintenance plans and work orders , there are certain design, numerical and analytical skills that are needed occasionally especially when it comes to Maintenance planning, data-driven decisions, continuous improvement, etc. where the graduates fit in by virtue of their background.

ivandragon:


Good. You have made my point.

You have a semi-skilled workforce to carry out certain technical assignments while you occasionally ensure the work goes on as designed to.

And I am sure that those technical people outnumber you. So you can see that as much as you are important to the task at hand, thier expertise is also invaluable.

Softmirror:
You will see how they will TWIST the wisdom he has said with their FOOLISHNESS.

And na all those University graduates wey don finish like 10-15 years ago even 20 years ago wey still dey their papa house because they are jobless go dey talk grammar OUT OF FRUSTRATION. When, road side mechanic, vulcanized, shoe maker...........don settle down with him own family, build shelter for them, they live life. Contributing to the nation's economy. It's just an irony.

studyless123:


I appreciate the fact that you're practical-oriented but I'll tell you for free, even those areas you stated graduates are required, they're not. It's good to have a graduate degree if you have the opportunity and get hands-on training. A graduate is not required to be a maintenance supervisor, most of the maintenance supervisors I worked with were not graduates, they rose through the ranks and have a solid foundation of the theories behind the operation of systems.
Talking about theories, many graduates don't understand what they were taught in school but "cram theories" for the grades. Talk about adhesion, hydraulics, fluid mechanics, circular motion, eddy current, electromagnetism these are basic subjects for a mechanical engineer but 80% don't understand these subjects.