vedaxcool:

The following question was asked on the Shia Chat forum:

Would you give your daughter, sister, or widowed mother for Mutah?

On that site, Hezbullahi–a veteran member of that site–says:

I’m asking this question out of curiosity because the other day a sheikh was telling my friend how good mut’a is and how society needs it etc, but when my friend asked him (just to test) if he could do mut’a with his daughter he refused and got angry. (Hypocricy if you ask me)

There is a poll on that site, asking whether or not these Shia would give their daughter or widowed mother in Mutah. An astonishing 40% of them said “YES.” (The other 60% are hypocrites of course.) This thread can be found here: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17012&st=0

Zhul-fiqar:

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Vedaxcool,

there is no harm in learning new things and being opened to new ideas.wahhabism has encraoched unto your brain and is killing your cells.when you do not know something there is no harm in asking and seeking knowledge from others who know better.

i as a shia is not obliged or compelled to perform mut'ah marriage.in fact our 12 Imams (as) from the progeny of the Prophet Muhammad (sa) did not perform mut'ah marriage.nonetheless that does not make mut'ah marriage a forbidden and reprehensible act as the sunnis want us to believe in following the sunnah (teaching) of Umar,the father of bid'ah,who made mut'ah marriage forbidden.

if you ask me about polygamy as a muslim,i would tell you plainly that i personally do not intend to take more than one wife.i think it is not a good idea to me to have more than one wife.

that my stance on polygamy should not be seen in any way as my denial of polygamy being permissible in islam and an act that is not sinful in the sight of God.to sunnis mut'ah marriage is seen wrongly as something sinful which it isn't.likewise,it would be wrong of me to condemn and deny polygamy as something sinful because i do not practice it.there are shia who do not practice mut'ah marriage but they do not see it as something forbidden to do when others do it.they do not change the laws of Allah because of their own personal preferences like sunnis to with mut'ah marriage.

your propaganda of giving us the opinion of shia who do not want to or favor mut'ah marriage is like a christian spreading the opinion of muslims who do not favor polygamy or intend to practice it.

such outlook does not at all tell us that the act or practice is a forbidden or sinful act.[/b]

vedaxcool:

[size=18pt]Therein lies your problem, whatever your personal preference bears little value to the discussion, as usual your comparison deflects the issues on the ground, no christian will argue with a Muslim that the Qur'an does not favour polygamy, what they will argue is that it is not the ideal marriage, so what parallels where you drawing, bits the imagination as my indication is clear,it is forbidden and hardly differentiable from fornication! whether you want to do mutah or not is not my business, I started this thread to educate the Ummah on the wrongness of Mutah marriage, not to get anyone started, or unearth Nairalanders who practice it, simply put it the thread showed that Mutah is a sinful act as it is grossly against the statements of Muhammed pbuh that reject it practice[/size].

vedaxcool:

[size=14pt]A reality we Shia Muslims have to accept is that our laws on contract sex have blurred the moral lines for many of our shia populations who are told to blindly follow everything the authorities give them. The fact is that vast majority of our people accept religious authority with passivity and see no difference between Islam and the men who rule us in the name of Islam . When you listen closely to people making excuses for the authorities you realise that to be 'religious' in our society means to be passive to the point of negligence or arrogance. No matter how much evidence there is that contract sex is not Islamic our people will passively deny the truth. This is because our people mixed up their faith in the Imams with the laws manufactured by our scholars. Our people dont like to face the truth about oursleves as it shakes our self-righteous egos and moves us out of our comfort zone. We think we are so right that if anybody points out how much we have got it wrong then we close up and go in to denial. We feel lost when facts are put in front of us and when our authorities are challanged. And to defend our low ideas of Islam we come up with phrases that don't mean anything. Let me give you an example:

Once someone confronted me saying that 'Halal E Mohammadi' will alway be Halal and 'Haram E Muhammadi' will always be Haram. He said this to allude that in the days of the Nabi the renting of women for sex was allowed and so cannot be made harram today. So I told him that according to the books even child slavery was halal in those days. I told him that selling your children in to slavery to pay your debts was allowed in those days. To this he turned his back and left. I just wish he had thought about revising his ideas about Islam rather then running away from facing the truth. I wish he was ready for a rediscovery of Islam instead of being so passive.

At another occasion another man came up to me and said: "You follow Umar because he removed contract sex!" So I responded that according to the same books that tell us that Umar removed it even Imam Ali is reported to have accepted what Umar did. Why do we pick bits from the books that suit us? I also told him that if we want to judge by books alone then the same books also tell us the Imam Hassan was out of control on sex. These books also tell us in 'mutawatir hadith' that Umar married one of the daughters of Imam Ali. And I told him that according to all the shia books the Quran has been changed. This means that it is 'mutawatir' to accept that the Quran is not original. All that was left for this 'religious' man was to get angry at me and label me as a 'wahabi shia.' Before he left I told him that I was grateful that I was not a 'zombie shia.' He has not spoken to me since! [/size]

This entire article clearly explains the dilemma of shias.

vedaxcool:

[size=14pt]A reality we Shia Muslims have to accept is that our laws on contract sex have blurred the moral lines for many of our shia populations who are told to blindly follow everything the authorities give them. The fact is that vast majority of our people accept religious authority with passivity and see no difference between Islam and the men who rule us in the name of Islam . When you listen closely to people making excuses for the authorities you realise that to be 'religious' in our society means to be passive to the point of negligence or arrogance. No matter how much evidence there is that contract sex is not Islamic our people will passively deny the truth. This is because our people mixed up their faith in the Imams with the laws manufactured by our scholars. Our people dont like to face the truth about oursleves as it shakes our self-righteous egos and moves us out of our comfort zone. We think we are so right that if anybody points out how much we have got it wrong then we close up and go in to denial. We feel lost when facts are put in front of us and when our authorities are challanged. And to defend our low ideas of Islam we come up with phrases that don't mean anything. Let me give you an example:

Once someone confronted me saying that 'Halal E Mohammadi' will alway be Halal and 'Haram E Muhammadi' will always be Haram. He said this to allude that in the days of the Nabi the renting of women for sex was allowed and so cannot be made harram today. So I told him that according to the books even child slavery was halal in those days. I told him that selling your children in to slavery to pay your debts was allowed in those days. To this he turned his back and left. I just wish he had thought about revising his ideas about Islam rather then running away from facing the truth. I wish he was ready for a rediscovery of Islam instead of being so passive.

At another occasion another man came up to me and said: "You follow Umar because he removed contract sex!" So I responded that according to the same books that tell us that Umar removed it even Imam Ali is reported to have accepted what Umar did. Why do we pick bits from the books that suit us? I also told him that if we want to judge by books alone then the same books also tell us the Imam Hassan was out of control on sex. These books also tell us in 'mutawatir hadith' that Umar married one of the daughters of Imam Ali. And I told him that according to all the shia books the Quran has been changed. This means that it is 'mutawatir' to accept that the Quran is not original. All that was left for this 'religious' man was to get angry at me and label me as a 'wahabi shia.' Before he left I told him that I was grateful that I was not a 'zombie shia.' He has not spoken to me since! [/size]

This entire article clearly explains the dilemma of shias.

Zhul-fiqar:

christians will not argue whether or not Quran favors polygamy.they will condemn the Quran because of polygamy as if monogamy is not there.personal preference does bear great value especially on how you conduct yourself and how well you apply the rules and perform certain things like mut'ah and polygamy to suit your preference.if personal preference has little value,Allah would not have left us the chance to marry one or two or three and up to four.that is an evidence of personal preference from the Quran itself.

if you can say polygamy is not the "ideal marriage",who even says muta'h is the ideal marriage?so why dont you see that Allah has given us choice of the ideal and also provision to manage different situations that can range from financial situation to personal behaviours?

you cannot educate anyone because you are misguided.inshaAllah i will open a thread to ortray sunni morality on many issues including contractual sex and not even mut'ah marriage with islamic conditions which is permissible.

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Lol! when did I say that polygamy is not an ideal marriage, or i said Christians will say polygamy is not an ideal marriage, your desperation is very mind boggling indeed! Allah said marry only one, this mutah ruse will definitely make nonsense of the verse



Recently a famous Iranian actress by the name of Zahra Ebrahimi sold sex for a few days. Her porn home video of what she was doing with her Armenian 'boyfriend' was then posted on the internet. By doing lots of contract sex she had developed a taste for ellicit sex and was filmed in one of her contracts having sex in a doggy style. Ultimatly she denied making the video and blamed it on her mutah boyfried and on camera tricks. But the interesting bit behind this story was that it exposed how porn in Iran has become so wide spread that the Iranian parliament reacted by making laws to execute any woman who appeared in home videos of herself and loading it on the internet. The result has been that Iranian porn videos have become hot sellers in the porn world for dirty Western men to gape at misled and exploited Muslim girls performing sex routines. Some school videos on how Iranian girls act out porn routines in classrooms are also on the internet to be seen by the Western public. [/size]

vedaxcool:

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Lol! when did I say that polygamy is not an ideal marriage, or i said Christians will say polygamy is not an ideal marriage, your desperation is very mind boggling indeed! Allah said marry only one, this mutah ruse will definitely make nonsense of the verse

Recently a famous Iranian actress by the name of Zahra Ebrahimi sold sex for a few days. Her indecency home video of what she was doing with her Armenian 'boyfriend' was then posted on the internet. By doing lots of contract sex she had developed a taste for ellicit sex and was filmed in one of her contracts Being Intimate in a canine style. Ultimatly she denied making the video and blamed it on her mutah boyfried and on camera tricks. But the interesting bit behind this story was that it exposed how indecency in Iran has become so wide spread that the Iranian parliament reacted by making laws to execute any woman who appeared in home videos of herself and loading it on the internet. The result has been that Iranian indecency videos have become hot sellers in the indecency world for dirty Western men to gape at misled and exploited Muslim girls performing sex routines. Some school videos on how Iranian girls act out indecency routines in classrooms are also on the internet to be seen by the Western public. [/size]

hayorbaami:

This is the problem Muslims face when they do not understand their religion. There is nothing like Mutah.
Islamically, to make a valid marriage dere must be 5 things present.1) offer 2)Acceptance 3)Guardian(father or any oda person) 4) dowry 5) witnesses
Where any of these fails, that marriage is void. The father is very important in marriage and his consent is to the marriage is important. Anything short of this is zina. So there was no marriage after all but fornication.

frosbel:

This is despicable, Shia Guys are plain SICK !

tpia@:

If a woman says that's what she wants, then as an adult she's free to make her own decisions of course, and bear the consequences, which could include having a reputation and difficulty in finding a marrige partner although left to me i'd say any man engaging in mutah should also marry women who are into mutah.

Logic Mind:

I pity for muslims. Chained inside an ignorant religion full of illiterate imams and mullahs interpreting 1000s years old bablings of an illiterate.

deols:

ehyaaa, y choose a name dat is a tptal opposite of u. makes u look like an