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Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by MrAnony1(m): 1:40am On Jan 18, 2013 |
Image123: thread carefully , tread carefully.Lol....was that for me? |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Goshen360(m): 2:45am On Jan 18, 2013 |
Bro Anony, Go ahead with what you wanna say please. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by MrAnony1(m): 3:26am On Jan 18, 2013 |
Goshen360: Bro Anony,Do you consider tatoos to be sin against our own bodies? If yes, could you provide scriptural backing for this? |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Goshen360(m): 4:17am On Jan 18, 2013 |
Mr_Anony: I do consider tattoos to be sin against our body and consequently against God ONLY AFTER someone comes to Christ, not BEFORE. Now, there's no scripture that SPECIFICALLY mentioned tattoos especially for Christians but lots of verses infers our body doesn't belong to is anymore but to God and we must glorify God in or with our body. Galatians 2:20 and 1 cor. 6:20. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Image123(m): 4:38am On Jan 18, 2013 |
Goshen360: Bro Anony,chei, spite, goshen. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Goshen360(m): 4:56am On Jan 18, 2013 |
Image123: You no like Yankee 'spite' again? Abi make I pour 9ja saliva for u ni? You know say you go come minister for me church for Yankee here, make you start dey learn this Yankee 'spite' o, or else, pepper no go rest I tell ya. Ya feel me bro? |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by MrAnony1(m): 7:45am On Jan 18, 2013 |
Goshen360:My brother Goshen, let us start by making one thing clear. There are things the bible does not count as sin for the believer. I don't think it is in my place to put a burden on anyone that Christ has not put on them. You and I both know that when Paul talks about sin against the flesh, he refers to sexual impurity. So what does the bible say about tattoos? When we look at Leviticus 19, we also see some commandments like don't shave the corners of your beard or sow two different kinds of seed. Also if we read about the nature of tattoos in those days, we can infer that it had pagan roots as something to do with the dead. God prohibitted the Jews from tattooing themselves. Flash forward to Acts 15 when the contention arose in the church about keeping Moses' laws, the way the disciples settled it was by telling the new christians that they didn't need to keep those laws except to desist from eating strangled meat/meat offered to idols and from sexual immorality.(verse 29) Nothing about tattoos, hair shaving, cloth material, sabbath etc. Now flash forward again to Paul's letter in 1 Corinthians 8 where Paul talks about meat offered to idols and talks about doing things in good conscience. I believe the same thing applies to all such peripheral church customs and traditions. Let us not make another brother or sister stumble either by doing something they are not spiritually mature enough to be comfortable with or by making them feel guilty for something Christianity does not condemn. I'll post my answer about trousers from another thread. I believe it is related to this one. Mr_Anony: |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by brainpulse: 8:29am On Jan 18, 2013 |
Mr_Anony: Then the next thing is for us to provide Scriptural backing for watching Pono films, indecent habits,cocaine sniffing and hard drugs etc. In as much a believer knows so well that a certain behavior and habit are known with unbelievers. He should desist from those behavior so that he will stand distinct from them. You dont have to look into the bible for backing before you know what you are doing his wrong if TRUELY YOU ARE INDEED SAVED AND REGENERATED. The bible says we are in the world but not of this world. therefore we should distinct ourselves from every habits that will contend with our faith. At this level of your spiritual growth Anony I dont believe you should be using this phrase "could you provide scriptural backing for this?" used by children in faith. If you go on smoking, tatooing how will you convince men of the world that you are different and from another kingdom in heaven and you are heavenly focus. I can likewise take cocaine before preaching since i want to glorify God. Bro Paul was saying in 1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. There are somethings that we should not find in the mouth and with those matured in faith at all and at all. The day I see my mentor in the Lord with a Yahoozee hair cut and he says its not in the bible not to put on such, then its the day i stop attending the church he presides. and in Heb 12 : 1: Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Sooo for us to know it as a sin, the bible must call it a sin.... I am dissappointed with someone i hold in high esteem. We should be careful with this Faith we say we profess and conviction we receive. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Yvete(f): 8:33am On Jan 18, 2013 |
FXKing2012: Those of you with tattoos on your body, pls note that it is evil and could land you in hell. The Bible says your body does not belong to you and thus you must not do anything to tarnish it. So it is evil to do anything that damages your body such as tattooing, smoking, drinking too much, etc. Seconded. The word of God should not be romanticized to anyone's pleasing. I would love a lil 'butterfly' tattoo , but anything that displeases God is a sin. Our Christianity/salvation/Spiritual lives are not guided by the 10 commandments only. Ex: "You love one another, even as I have loved you". No one is Holy anyways... FXKing2012: I've noticed your interesting posts/comments lately. Nice one! 1 Like |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by brainpulse: 8:41am On Jan 18, 2013 |
Mr Anony Will your tatoo glorify God or your flesh? Will your tatoo save and bring, break men down at the feet of christ? I believe if you are ungry for lost souls and you have passion for christ, i believe tatoo should not be the next thing in your schedule. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Nobody: 8:42am On Jan 18, 2013 |
This thread's a gift that keeps on giving...... |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by MrAnony1(m): 9:03am On Jan 18, 2013 |
brainpulse:Lol, you see, there is a difference between a tattoo and watching pornography for instance in that there is no way the spirit of God and a spirit of lust can cohabit within a christian. Similarly, there is no way the spirit of drug addiction can co-exist with the Holy Spirit which is a Spirit of self-control. Those examples are false parrallels to tattoos (more on this later). The bible says we are in the world but not of this world. therefore we should distinct ourselves from every habits that will contend with our faith.Honestly, I really don't see how a tattoo contends with my faith in Christ. The only real reason why I won't get a tattoo is so that my brother does not stumble because of it not because there is anything wrong with tattoos in themselves. At this level of your spiritual growth Anony I dont believe you should be using this phrase "could you provide scriptural backing for this?" used by children in faith. If you go on smoking, tatooing how will you convince men of the world that you are different and from another kingdom in heaven and you are heavenly focus.There's a notion which I would like to correct and it is this; When I ask for scriptural backing, I am not necessarily asking for a verbatim declaration that says "thou shalt not smoke" or anything like that, rather what I am interested in knowing is if the message of the bible as a whole is against a thing i.e can one make a scripturally based argument for or against an action. Another thing I'd like to correct is the whole notion of "baby christians" and what kinds of questions they can or cannot ask. Asking for scriptural backing is a very good practice that ought to be encouraged amongst all believers so that someone doesn't invent his/her own message that Christ didn't give. I can likewise take cocaine before preaching since i want to glorify God.This does not follow Bro Paul was saying in 1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.He was right There are somethings that we should not find in the mouth and with those matured in faith at all and at all. The day I see my mentor in the Lord with a Yahoozee hair cut and he says its not in the bible not to put on such, then its the day i stop attending the church he presides.The reason why he won't do it is so that christians whose faith is not strong do not fall away from the faith and not because the hair cut is bad in itself. and in Heb 12 : 1: Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,But you have not yet shown that tattooing or a style of haircut is sin. I wish there was a better way I could explain this to you. Sooo for us to know it as a sin, the bible must call it a sin.... I am dissappointed with someone i hold in high esteem.I am sorry if you have held me in higher esteem than I probably deserve. Why don't you ask the Holy Spirit about this and study the Word. See what God says. Don't take my word for it go study the bible about it. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by MrAnony1(m): 9:07am On Jan 18, 2013 |
brainpulse: Mr AnonyLol, I personally don't have a tattoo...but I know some teenagers who went out to get tattoos because for them it was a way to reach out to their friends within the "tattoo loving crowd". I see no reason to condemn their actions. The bible gives me none. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Enigma(m): 9:26am On Jan 18, 2013 |
I think it is necessary to put things in context. Funny as it may sound I would say that distinctions should be drawn between "tattoo" and "tattoo". Probably, people are worried about some tattoos among oyinbos especially that could associate its owner with certain communities (e.g. bikers) or certain lifestyles (perhaps undesirable lifestyles). But if we take things at basics, some of our own communities have always had cultural tattoos; I know that the older women in many Yoruba communities will still have the traditional tattoos on their arms. Other peoples in other parts of Africa also have different cultural tattoos. I think this should be borne in mind ---- in addition to other questions like what kind of tattoo and for what purpose does a person want/wear a tattoo(s) etc etc. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by FXKing2012(m): 9:32am On Jan 18, 2013 |
brainpulse: Thank you very much jare, wonder why all these end-time pastors such as Mr Anony cant just stick strictly to the Bible. Must they always try to adapt to changing times? The Word of God is the same yesterday, today and forever so we must not twist it to suit changing times. Personally I will doubt the spirituality of any pastor who says tatooing is ok. Going into the scriptures: 1Thes. 5: 22 - Abstain from all appearance of evil. So pls flee from it if it looks/sounds like evil; u need not be absolutely certain it's evil before fleeing. Besides the following scripture should guide us: 1 Cor. 8:13 - Why, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world stands, lest I make my brother to offend. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by FXKing2012(m): 9:34am On Jan 18, 2013 |
Yvete:Thanks dear. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by TerryCarr(m): 9:57am On Jan 18, 2013 |
[img]http://3.bp..com/-LU1IqdFBV9M/UNCjSEkoEFI/AAAAAAAAJFQ/MmJrfquLJUs/s1600/Cross+Tattoo5.jpg[/img] 1 Like |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by brainpulse: 12:20pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
Mr_Anony: You can not help the holyspirit to convict anyman of sin, or help god to win a soul ( you remembered what happened when the ark of God was ushered to isreal and the man helping out). For you to help a drunkard you must be a drunk, i dont buy that bro. Mr_Anony give me 5 reasons the man or a child of God must put and desecreate the body the Lord our God had made perfect and holy. I just dont understand any more what has sneaked into this faith given to us by our fathers of faith. Remember if it is Good doesnt mean its Godly. Does what you see above edify the spirit of God in you? 1 Like |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Image123(m): 1:55pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
w should stop attempting to JUDGE/CONDEMN people on theology. Theology doesn't save any man, it is grace hat saves. We can argue and disagree on theology, my theology is righter, better or truer than yours. Good theology is good Let's outgrow this popular but worldly mistake. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Nobody: 3:52pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
[size=16pt]Following the Bible bumper-to-bumper on what is sin and what is not sin. . . THE ENTIRE WORLD POPULATION WILL GO TO HELL[/size] |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by brainpulse: 4:52pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
n.oxide: LOL that's the reason why the scripture says wide is the way that leads to destruction and narrow is the way that leads to life. It was like yesterday when Noah warned the world about the destruction that was to come on those who disobeyed God, but they never believed and counted him serious. They said why will God destroy the people He created and loved. The same happened during the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Unfortunately God has not changed and am not sure He has lowered his standard. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Goshen360(m): 8:19pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
@ Brother Anony, Well, I made my stance very clear enough. I do NOT condemn ANY Christian as such that scriptures do NOT condemn them IF THEY HAVE TATTOO BEFORE THEY COME TO CHRIST. I simply do NOT see why a Christian will go for tattoo AFTER coming to Christ. For what purpose will it serve? See, I reside in the States and I see tattoos even beautiful ones. OmG, I'm so crazy about it and love them because it appeals to my eyes and I love it personally but to what purpose does it serve a Christian? Now, If these ladies and men that wear this tattoos are not yet in Christ, shall we condemn them AFTER they come to Christ with the same body that has tattoo? NO! Because it was done before they came to Christ. You know too well that I'm a minister of the New Covenant as well. I do not press Christians to follow the Mosaic law and that has been some of my teachings here. Hence, I do not go with the verses quoted from Leviticus. Is it part of scriptures? YES! Is it for Christians? NO! However, the NT teaches we should glorify God in or with our body and especially when it says OUR BODY NO LONGER BELONGS TO US AFTER WE COME TO CHRIST. If our body doesn't belong to us but to Christ, how do we treat how body the way WE LIKE? Doing that is to mean, we are NOT YET CONSUMED IN THE WILL OF THE MASTER. Hence, we are NOT servants of God - A servant is one who is subjective to the will of his master. Any Christian that has tattoo BEFORE they came to Christ should go on in his or her Christian walk. But if a Christian AFTER coming to Christ still go after tattoo, I don't just see how that fits into the new life in Christ Jesus. This is my personal view from scriptures. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by JeSoul(f): 8:27pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
Chei pastor bishop brother prophet evangelist deacon Goshen, your own for this matter get K-leg oh. I'm with Sir Anony. From 2010 and 2008 https://www.nairaland.com/408410/hypocrite-getting-lords-prayer-tattoo#5633511 https://www.nairaland.com/108212/christian-tattoos JeSoul: |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Goshen360(m): 8:55pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
^^^ My sister, na so we see am o. Tattoo don become issue for Christians now. Anyways, I ONLY said my view and also made it clear that the NT said nothing about it. I also did not go with the OT scriptures being lifted to go against tattoo. My 'view' is personal thought but I will not bother if I see tattoo on my church members especially if it was done BEFORE they came to Christ. I will only worry if such is done AFTER their new life in Christ - wondering how it fits into their new life in Christ. Again, that's my 'personal view' madam dearest, . 1 Like |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Joagbaje(m): 8:16am On Jan 19, 2013 |
Goshen360: It's non consequential what decoration you put on your body. The bible didn't condemn tattooing. Certain things may not be decent . But not all indecency is sin. |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by MrAnony1(m): 11:17am On Jan 19, 2013 |
Joagbaje:Though I think I know what you mean to say, this line (in bold) makes me very worried |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by FXKing2012(m): 4:55pm On Jan 19, 2013 |
Joagbaje: Keep deceiving urselves by determining for urselves wat is sin and wat isnt instead of letting the Word determine it for u. God forbid but if u find urself at the gate of hell u will realize every indecency is sin before God. 1 Like |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by FXKing2012(m): 8:08am On Jan 20, 2013 |
Joagbaje: Certain things may not be decent . But not all indecency is sin.So who decides which indecency is sin and how do such a person come into such a decision? All Unrighteousness is sin but not every sin leads to hell: 1 John 5:16-18 King James Version (KJV) 16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. Question is how do u know what sin leads to hell? That is where this scripture comes in: 1 Thes. 5:22 "Abstain from all appearance of evil." |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Image123(m): 8:43pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
FXKing2012:On Lev 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. Just wanted to make this comment for the records, and to set things straight if possible. i am UTTERLY persuaded that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Word of God, and Leviticus 19:27 is the Word of God. Psa 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth. Psa 33:11 T[b]he counsel of the LORD standeth forever[/b], the thoughts of his heart to all generations. The Word of God is right, if anything is wrong, it is you. that we do not fully understand a passage or portion of the Word of God does not make it meaningless. i speak with respect to the backdrop that followed and was before the above quote, suggesting that the passage is irrelevant and ridiculous. i may be wrong on what the verse means but a careful CONTEXTUAL study and comparison with the whole of Biblical revlation show that the command was given in the Spirit of the believer been separate from the world. 2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. A NT passage actually saying to TOUCH NOT! The context and Spirit says it all though, lemme not delve into that too much. Similar passages to Leviticus 19:27 are given below. Lev 21:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto the priests the sons of Aaron, and say unto them, There shall none be defiled for the dead among his people: Lev 21:5 They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh. Isa 15:2 He is gone up to Bajith, and to Dibon, the high places, to weep: Moab shall howl over Nebo, and over Medeba: on all their heads shall be baldness, and every beard cut off. Jer 16:6 Both the great and the small shall die in this land: they shall not be buried, neither shall men lament for them: nor cut themselves, nor make themselves bald for them: Jer 48:37 For every head shall be bald, and every beard clipped: upon all the hands shall be cuttings, and upon the loins sackcloth. Eze 7:18 They shall also gird themselves with sackcloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and b[b]aldness upon all their heads.[/b] All of these passages refer to the superstituous practice that was popular in that environment/society. The shaving was connected to superstition. They were shaving for superstition, to mourn, and this is what Lev 19:27 was against. We are not to be superstituous as believers today, or join devilish cultures and tradition with our christian life. God still commands us today to not love the world, and to be blameless and separate from sinners. today, some folks make marks on their bodies for protection, or as juju, or to avert tragedy when a family member dies. These practices still remain things a christian should not engage in. 1 Like |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by MrAnony1(m): 9:19pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
Image123:Good now you are talking....You will agree with me that in the same way cutting your hair and beard is tied to motive, so is tattooing tied to motive. There is nothing wrong with tattooing in itself. Do you see my point now? 1 Like |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by FXKing2012(m): 9:41pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
Mr_Anony:Pls stop spreading lies and leading people to etenal damnation. Young Christians may be reading and such teaching is capable of leading them astray. Now do u even know the history of tattooing? Did u know it has its origin in paganism? I bet u never knew that. Folks like u just embrace anything that is in vogue in the name of changing wt the times cos u dont wanna be left behind. Ok, let me help your ignorance so u can learn something new. Below is a text from the history of tattooing: "In 1891, archaeologists discovered the mummified remains of amunet, a priestess of the goddess hathor, at thebes who lived some time between 2160 BC and 1994 BC. This female mummy displayed several lines and dots tattooed about her body - grouping dots and/ or dashes were aligned into abstract geometric patterns. This art form was restricted to women only, and usually these women were associated with ritualistic practice. The Egyptians spread the practice of tattooing throughout the world." www.designboom.com/history/tattoo_history.html |
Re: Tattoo On The Body Is Evil by Image123(m): 12:50am On Jan 21, 2013 |
Mr_Anony:Nah, i'm not talking oh. i was just making a comment on the Lev 19v27 passages' backdrop that it was a ridiculous and irrelevant passage. That passage is the only passage in the whole OT that staightly says to love one's neighbour as one's self. Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD. That is the great commandment and Jesus reckoned with it. It may be quite hasty or dangerous to dismiss anything in that passage carelessly. |
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