Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,192,893 members, 7,949,110 topics. Date: Saturday, 14 September 2024 at 06:57 PM |
Nairaland Forum / Entertainment / Sports / European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion (9143255 Views)
Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 / Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 / Manchester United Fan thread: Forever Reds (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) ... (2334) (2335) (2336) (2337) (2338) (2339) (2340) ... (14369) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 11:20pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
As at 2004 Rooney looked more like the finished product compared to Ronaldo Ronaldo was more talented but he had those childish moves, stepovers just to make fun of a defender and his end product was lacking. Ronaldo looked more like he would tow the path of Quaresma Rooney at that time played more maturely and at that time looked like he would have a better career than Ronaldo even till 2006 when Ronaldo turned the corner Regarding Van Gaal at Bayern. Van Gaal came to Bayern at the right time and he changed our play pattern. Before then we used to play 4-4-2 and he changed it to 4-2-3-1. Drafted Schweinsteiger from an above average midfielder to Central midfielder, lahm to right back from left etc He didnt care about the big names and he dropped most of them Lucio, Lucatoni, Demichelis, Gomez His play pattern didnt want any form of risky play he preferred you to play safe just keep passing it around until an opening came. He always clashed with Ribery because Ribery was the opposite and always wanted to take risks "We had problems on a human basis. When he started, nobody knew what was going to happen," he told Goal.com. Ribery responded by saying he was disappointed his coach had criticised him in the German media and wished van Gaal had spoken to him in person rather than going to the press. "He does his work, I do mine," said Ribery when asked about how he gets on with the coach. At Barcelona, where his falling out with Rivaldo over the Brazilian's penchant for unscripted dribbling still raises eyebrows, |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 11:37pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
raumdeuter: The million dollar question is this... While in charge at Bayern & The Netherlands, Why did he build his team round an Arjen Robben who could be frustratingly selfish with the ball (despite being one of the best wingers we have seen in the last 5years)? NB : LVG 1st rowed with Rivaldo over the latter's refusal to play on the wings, after which other things followed |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Odunharry(m): 11:50pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
WHICH SEA IS EASY TO CROSS A. RED -SEA B. SWAN -SEA C. CHEL-SEA |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 11:51pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
Dadehmola: Its like asking that Despite Mourinho's fetish for Wingers who defend, How come he was able to stand Ronaldo and built his attack around him? Same question was also posed about how Pep would cope with Robben who isnt a tiki taka kind of player The answer is that some players are soo good that you need to accommodate them. If Messi joins Man Utd or Chelsea and sits at the half way waiting for passes. None of LvG nor Jose would bench them. If they are benched, the club owners would sack him if one result doesnt go his way. LvG was close to getting sacked barely 3months into his Bayern job if not that results started going his way |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 11:59pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/may/16/louis-van-gaal-bayern-munich That was where I got the Rivaldo quote from He had multiple issues with Rivaldo Playing on the wings was one of them but major was the clash of ego. Rivaldo saw himself as a star and he has to play where he wants, play how he wants dribble how he likes which LvG disagrees with Its like telling of now to dribble less and play on the wings. If he isnt a humble guy he would revolt |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 12:01am On Oct 30, 2015 |
raumdeuter: If that's the case, how come LVG had problems with Rivaldo's dribbling as you claimed?? Wasn't Rivaldo one of the best players in the world at that time? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 12:09am On Oct 30, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Louis Van Gaal: |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 12:15am On Oct 30, 2015 |
Dadehmola: You know Van Gaal had 2 stints at Barca? I believe it was until the second stint before Rivaldo had to leave. He probably endured Rivaldo at the first stint while Rivaldo was WPOTY Just the way it is with 2 stubborn people. One would mellow and wait for the slightest opportunity to hit back E.g If Lvg starts Rivaldo on the left and in the game Rivaldo abandoned his position to the middle started dribbling and scored a hat trick Van gaal would chill, the moment they lose 2 games, He would come back with his "I told you so" and try to enforce his idea he temprarily forgot Back to Robben, He robben was the only reason LvG kept his job even though he was selfish but van gaal would just suck it up and watch I am sure it was the same way between Ronaldo and Mourinho When Hazard was winning Mourinho games last season did Mourinho forget that Hazard didnt defend? this season the moment result didnt go his way he remembered that hazard wasnt defending |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 12:24am On Oct 30, 2015 |
Dadehmola: What do you expect Van Gaal to say? He sent Toni out of Munich because he wasnt sitting properly to eat meals. Thats the way brazilians lived even Ronaldinho, Ronaldo Lima etc But when they are delivering the coaches would keep shut until they start to plummet before he would realize that they werent going to bed on time That was the same case with Mario Basler who would have romps drink and smoke before games. he was endured even by strict disciplinarians like Otto Rehhagel until his performance started dwindling |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 12:30am On Oct 30, 2015 |
coogar: Tell those youngies supporting man utd now about nani and ronaldo having substandard education and playing rubbish at 21, but dont ever use your filthy fingers to type that arjen robben at 20 or 21 was playing nonsense for chelsea in 2004 and 2005. Bomb dey your head? Robben that was an instant hit when he started playing for us in 2004 and won the premier league player of the month same month he debuted? It's shocking that you would just type lies here in megabytes with no remorse. He was very instrumenal to our epl title consecutive wins in 2005 and 2006, despite having injury problems. At 20, he won epl title with his contributions well-engraved on the title. he made the PFA team of the year and was the best young player in europe at 21. If you want to polish your useless depay, please dont let the god of soccer strike you down for ridiculing robben's breathtaking 2004/2005 performances. He might not be superb in goal scoring that time but he would not lose possession stupidly as depay is doing. Immediately he started for us in 2004/2005, all other teams were destroyed by his mazy runs. Dont compare a clueless player still struggling to control balls with his foot, always missing clear-cut chances to a player who played at the level far above his age for chelsea at 20, with accolades from everywhere. Only feed your fans your lies. Robben at 20 Depay at 21 1 Like
|
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 1:35am On Oct 30, 2015 |
airmark: robben was actually a frustrating player for chelsea in 2004. he had a great start but then things went pretty bad for him. his 7 goals all season in the PL was a testament to his wastefulness & how frustrating he was. the mark of a good player is his decision making & the ability to look up and find a teammate to pass to with the final ball. all the players i listed above lacked that quality in their respective debut seasons in england. i don't expect a fool like you to know this though. you depend on wikipedia for information. you never actually saw those games. robben frustrated the fans much more than he did damage to the opponents. in the end, it was chelsea's excellent defending that got them the title, not the attack. your highest goalscorer that season was lampard, not drogba nor kezman nor your robben.
you are a capital idïot! this is like saying pedro was an instant hit when he came to england because of his brilliance in his first few games - where do you borrow common sense from? 7 league goals all season, brilliant player?
shut up your mouth with your stüpidity! robben was already 21 when he won his first premier league with chelsea & his contribution of 7 league goals out of the 72 goals chelsea scored in total that season couldn't have been instrumental. it's either you have a poor command of the english language or you are genetically rëtarded! robben that wasn't part of jose mourinho's untouchables. robben that was mostly used as a sub(impact player) cos he frustrated fans nearly all the time? the selfish robben that never passed to teammates & would dribble into blind alleys till he lost the ball? it's now clear you don't have a memory bank.
so if he's not superb at goalscoring(8 goals in all competitions for chelsea), what exactly was he good at? we are talking about decision making & looking up to find a teammate like most spaniards are trained to do & this fool is talking about breathtaking performance. ronaldo lost the ball the most in man utd when he was the ballon d'or winner. it would serve you well if you actually use your common sense on these pages instead of getting pënile erëctions whenever you get excited to quote me.
you are a consummate troglodyte! a player struggling to control ball won the golden boot in the dutch league. robben also played in that league and couldn't win it. both of them were wingers so their primary position had nothing to do with it. just one point destroyed everything that took you 60 mins to type. your case shouldn't be laughed at, you should be pitied!
so these gifs are supposed to determine who the better player was at 21? depay won a golden boot at 21. show us the equivalent of such award that robben won in the dutch league or shüt the fück up till chelsea gets back into the top 4. you are a disgraceful dingbat! fück outta here...... 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 1:38am On Oct 30, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Bros, forget this yarns jare... Rivaldo was LVG's kinda player - picking an issue with the brazilian's attitude is another issue entirely. The fall-out was analogous to the one he had with Stoichov, Loius Van Gaal: How come a 19 year old dribbler ( who wasnt even half as good as Rivaldo), was one of the key players in that famous Ajax side?? raumdeuter: The fact that it was the same LVG who signed a washed-up Robben from Madrid, clearly nullifies this point - he could as well have left Schweini on the wings. Its now clear LVG has always loved wingers with flair. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 1:46am On Oct 30, 2015 |
Ok if you say so |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 5:06am On Oct 30, 2015 |
Leyqute:Fear is he won't reach the superstar level he was projected to become. I don't want another Nani. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mourinholic(m): 10:06am On Oct 30, 2015 |
Depay will come good,he is just passing through a difficult season....He was the 2nd best player in the dutch league,the best league in Holland..... As for Eden,He is a fraud,a one season wonder who won the Pfa,and 4 player of the year awards in France in just one season in England....... He is not going through a bad form,he is a fraud.... #Thinklikescummies 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 11:35am On Oct 30, 2015 |
Louis van Gaal has confirmed to MUTV that Antonio Valencia, James Wilson and Memphis are injured for Manchester United's Barclays Premier League match with Crystal Palace. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:37am On Oct 30, 2015 |
How does som1 get to win France's player of the year four times in England?? Think like a shekpeite 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:19pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
Van Gaal replies Scholes: “I don’t want to defend myself because I cannot defend, because he is a legend and he has a lot of resonance, so I hear. “I think when you are a legend, you have to speak with the manager or his friend, Ryan Giggs, or Ed Woodward, but not this way, because he will be paid by the BBC or Sky. http://m.goal.com/s/en/news/1862/premier-league/2015/10/30/16822632/furious-van-gaal-hits-back-at-scholes-he-has-no |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 1:02pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
coogar: Mr. man , things went bad for robben because of injuries, not because he was wasteful. Tell that to your village people. He played 18 games and scored 7 goals. The remaining matches he sat out because of injury, he was not like depay benched because of poor form. He was used just like martial is being used in the wing to destroy defenders in multiple numbers and majorly set up his colleagues to score. In this season, Robben was chelsea's 2nd best to lampard in number of assists despite playing lesser number of matches, so how did he achieve this if he was n't looking up to do final passes as you spuriously said. You must be rolling tyres in the street when robben was playing for us. coogar: You made me laugh. I have been supporting chelsea before they thought you how to use knife and fork. Damien duff and arjen were our key players to unlock stubborn defence lines in which other attackers benefited from. He did n't lose a single epl match he featured in, can you beat that? Only Cech, Terry, lampard and robben made epl team of the year as chelsea players, drogba did nt make it, what does that tell you scummy? well, may be it was the english hyping the dutchman. coogar:Robben was an instant hit as all the games he played in, he ensured he played above average and did n't lose any epl match. After lampard, he was next with number of assists for chelsea. He played 18 matches (due to injury), he won 16 and drew 2 and still made the epl team of the year ahead of other players that played more matches. I dont need to go further on how effective he was. At least you went to secondary school. coogar: Robben mostly used as sub in 2004/2005 season? Unrepentant liar. Out of 18 matches he played, he only played as sub in 4 because of injuries. He was nt losing the ball like depay when he was without injuries. Despite playing a lesser number of matches, he was chelsea's 2nd best with number of assists. It was his injuries that made him not to be an untouchable chelsea player. Dont sell a dummy here. Robben said : "It was hard at first because I came with an injury. It was very difficult for me and also for him (mourinho). Of course, mourinho doesn't like players who get injured. So it wasn't easy but I always had the feeling I had his confidence. "I played some great games for Chelsea but it was unfortunate I had injury problems and I couldn't do it over a long period – like now. coogar: That's why we said depay is a scam. If you are the highest goal scorer in dutch league , it means nothing to me but very huge to mumus like you. Kuyt at 35years, an epl long time reject is at present dutch highest goal scorer with 10 goals. Shame on you, depay and LVG. Meanwhile, there is a reason depay was nt awarded the best player in that league and also not the dutch player of the year. Man utd was scammed by dutch mafias, pure money laundering fraud. coogar: Just like i said kuyt is the current highest goal scorer in the dutch league, you should advise LVG to sign him by january. You want me to use foul language on you but i wont descend to that level. I used gif to tell you robben at 20 was a god to depay at 21 (even at his career peak). Robben was not struggling to trap balls like depay . He was not clueless with balls like merefish. Robben was one of our best performers in 2004/2005 season helping in winning matches. His dribbling runs were premium, depay at present is the direct opposite of 2004/2005's robben . Comparing robben's early years at chelsea to depay's at man utd is like comparing an electric light to a spoilt lighter. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 2:10pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
AdeLaNa1: Them don swear for that boy! 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 2:13pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
airmark: these are chelsea fans begging to have robben sold off to madrid back then because of his substandard education..... http://forum.cybereagles.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=88302 1) I saw the article earlier. The guy is useless. Its only a one way street for him. . 1) He plays absolutely no defense. 2) For a winger of sorts, he never tracks back 3) He's too damn selfish. He hardly ever passes to open team mates. 4) He's not a pro-type forward. So who will put up with him? No matter how good his dribbling is, over a 90 minute period, he'll end up hurting your team. 2) I am shocked that, on the basis of his quality and his output, this guy feels he should be "starting games." He must be referring to mind games because I do not see any other games he hopes he can start, unless it is on the bench, or a couple of people are hurt or the team is comfortably ahead in a cup fixture. I think Robben should be fully debriefed. and that was exactly how i remember arjen robben at chelsea. he was more frustrating to watch than depay. he wants to dribble everyone & he rarely passed to teammates even when they are in a better position to cause damage - but here, airmark that knew nothing about the PL back then wants to rewrite history. 6 Likes 1 Share
|
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ElFenomeno1: 2:40pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
chrisley024: Memphis injured? A lot of scummies will be relieved. Not sure about Coogar............... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by funlord(m): 2:40pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
Damn! Comparing robbens stats from 12/11 years ago to those of a guy that has played less than 10 games in october? Supreme logic on display! Lol.. Some of these dudes have to either be random programs, cartoon characters or worse! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ElFenomeno1: 2:43pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
I wonder why we are still having a Depay back and forth here..... Coogar you need to stop bleating and give it a rest, no matter what you say, Depay has been royally useless and is grossly overrated!!! End off!!!! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 2:48pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
coogar: So you needed to bring 2007 forum discussions to show rooben was rubbish in his debut season which was 2 years away. Keeping mute would have been better for you. Robben's first month playing in epl would be depay's best month of his career, if he would ever have such. Don't expect any reply from me again until you name a non-english player at 21 that played 18 games or less out of possible 38 and made epl team of the season. Thanks 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 2:51pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
ElFenomeno1: he has scored 4 more goals than hazard this season. matter of fact, if depay scores 4 more goals this season, he would have matched everything robben did in his debut season in england. if depay has been royally useless - pray tell....what would you say about hazard? it's been 13 games now this season & hazard hasn't found the net. airmark: but you said robben always had the final ball & he was a brilliant player to have around. if after 2 seasons, his fans still thought he was useless in his final ball then i have been able to prove to you that robben had a substandard education. he never looked up when playing the final ball. it was hit & miss!
any idíot can win the team of the season. if robben was so good, he woulda won the young player of the season. EPL team of the season that players like milner & co. have graced in the past. this is how you just jump into an argument without common sense. the point was robben was a selfish player with one of the poorest decision making in the danger area. he never looked for a teammate to pass the ball to - it's a common attribute of most wingers at the start of their career. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by funlord(m): 2:58pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
coogar: This highlighted point must be why they prefer to use any other player in their clubs history APART from HAZARD whenever they want to discuss or compare and contrast "depays form" this season? Lmao!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 3:04pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
ElFenomeno1: Imagine o. He now came here saying robben was also poor like him in his first season at chelsea. That he did nt give final passes to team mates, as usual he did n't know robben was the highest assists giver second to lampard for chelsea in that season. Even his man utd colleagues are disappointed in him. He said LVG's philosophy affected depay not to be able to control balls. To be shrugged off the ball by championship defenders. Missing begging chances here and there. In the last match, the commentator did n't know when he said ''this is not what man utd spent 25m for''. Depay should be compared with the likes of kakuta, obertan in epl. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 3:12pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
funlord: hazard is a sacred cow. he's untouchable - he could serve shyte game after game but these trolls would still tell you hazard is better than neymar. airmark: robben being the 2nd assist maker in chelsea says nothing about his wastefulness. use your cognitive reasoning appropriately. the number of assists he made that season is about 5% of what he shoulda made. this is why we think he's poor. robben always made poor decisions in 04/05. he shot when he shoulda passed, he passed when he shoulda shot.
what about hazard that has played 10 league games, 3 UCL games, 2 capital one games & 1 community shield game and yet no goals? 0 goals in 1,235 minutes this season. hazard's min to goal ratio this season is undefined. if i were you, i would worry more about the liability wearing the 10 shirt in your club than memphis that has scored 4 goals this season. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 3:25pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
@airmark, make you dey here dey argue instead of fasting and praying for your team Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho says he cannot promise the club will qualify for the Champions League this season. 6 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Odunharry(m): 3:25pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
Chaii |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 3:29pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
coogar: See as you made me to renege on my promise of not replying you. This is how you would be throwing figures senselessly up and down for your gullible followers. Lampard topped the epl list of number of assists in 2004/2005 season with 16 in 38 matches. Robben was chelsea's 2nd with 9 in 18 matches. It will interest you that Giggs was the only man utd player with higher number of assists than robben with 10 in 32 matches. Your mathematics teacher should be guillotined. I dont just know the appropriate adjective to qualify you right now. chrisley024: Do you have pastor TB Joshua's direct line? 1 Like |
(1) (2) (3) ... (2334) (2335) (2336) (2337) (2338) (2339) (2340) ... (14369) (Reply)
Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021
Viewing this topic: Seunpapa65 and 2 guest(s)
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 138 |