GBR1:
PietroRico
Important article, I wanted to post it here too.

Link below
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/may/22/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-players-near-mutiny

There's so many things to discuss regards the past few days.
Obviously a lot of folks especially our rivals/adversaries are gutted by the Mourinho news; tells a lot really...

I saw it and wanted to also post it here. If what is written is true, Gaal is really old school. He really didn't care about results, but was interested mostly in his philosophy. He sold players like Nani who could have brought creativity from the right wing.

ROONEY: "WE HAVE UNDERPERFORMED"!


www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10291564/wayne-rooney-manchester-united-have-underperformed-this-season









You especially captain!

GBR1:

Very good post. You can add Robben at Chelsea, Varane, Di Maria etc at Madrid as other examples of youngsters who got ample playing time because they were simply good enough. We aren't Arsenal please who just play young guys for the fantasy of it and end up with nothing. That's the key point here. These are even at clubs with no good policy regards young players like Madrid or Chelsea. Chelsea and Madrid have had other managers over the last 10 years; so can anyone tell me the young players those other managers have brought through? Anyone?
So why does Mourinho gets all the blame?

People need to wake up. Since the turn of the century we haven't produced a single world class player from our youth academy. This is fact. Rasford looks a terrific talent but to be frank he's more likely to fail than make it. This is realism again.

SAF in his latter years cared less about bringing folks from the youth academy and you know what? those periods coincided with the time of our greatest dominance with him and everyone thanks him for the trophies and everything.

Pep considered a genius, right? Dominated well at Barcelona even using some players from the youth academy along the way whom he turned into world beaters. The point here again is that these players were good enough, they were played and that's why they suceeded.

But now at Bayern his time is done. Can anyone show me this world class player he has brought through? Or why his policy regards these young folks wasn't as impressive as his time at Barcelona?
Anyone?

People should wake up!

based on my understanding, the issue of youth policy is more of a club policy more than a manager policy. Barca have a very good youth set up which made it easier for guardiola to make use of them when he was called on to manage the senior team. he knew the youth players in barca very well because he coached them. the same cannot be said of his time in bayern. and I doubt if he would look to the youth academy in mancity too.

on ur point that rashford is more likely to fail on d long run....u r very wrong an dat assertion. rashford is going to be a successful footballer. it is evident in his game. at such an age u rarely see him make mistakes...with the exception of being still a teen, he might make some inexperienced decisions once a while but his overall game play shows a player who plays better than his age. the difference between martial and rashford is minute.

MrTA:


Even LvG himself confirmed he was asked by the club if he was interested in Shaw and herrera as the club had previous talks in place with them and he had the final say if they should be signed or not. So Herrera and Shaw are definitely LvG signings because he greenlit the signings. Even though Herrera was identified by SAF but Moyes wasn't sure.

Lol!
You expected an incoming coach to hang the new signings to dry by declaring, 'No they aren't my players'? What would that speak of him and what do you think would happen to the confidence of the said players?
What has proved they were not his signings is the fact that both players, especially Herrera was often benched at the start of last season, which is unusual for a big money signing signed by the coach. Are we forgetting the likes of Blind, Depay, Bastain, Morgan , Rojo, Darmain, Martial went straight to the starting line-ups as soon as they came in?
Also, at the time Herrera got signed, Van Gaal was with the Holland team, preparing for the worldcup which was to begin 2 weeks later. Where would he have had the time to be checking the players recommended to him?
Also, he mentioned at that time that only Holland filled up his mind, not Manutd and he would only concentrate on Manutd after the worldcup. Hence, there's now way he could have been involved in the deal.
What he said bout Herrera and Shaw is what any incoming coach would have said about any new signings in the team, even when they were signed by the board. There's no way he would tell the media that they weren't wanted.

Mr GBR1, you are a very reasonable man! Don't mind those fools who are being haunted by the hatred the had for mou during his stint at chelsea. To them, It will be a thing of shame to make desparaging statements about him in the previous seasons, and then suddenly start praising him. Get it?

Personally, I'm not happy that my man is going to manure. I wish it NEVER happens!!

olabode89:


People are just following the bandwagon.

He chose to play a 22 years old Cech over Cudicini

Mourinho played a 17 years old Santon at Inter Milan

He gave a 20 years old Varane ample playing time at Madrid, same story for Zouma at Chelsea.

I believe that if he feels a player is ready and good enough he will do the needful.

I can't wait to see what he can make do with Fosu-Mensah. The guy looks a lot like a Mourinho style player.

Lol!
Santon had fewer game time under Mourinho than he did under the previous manager and he was binned off on laon to serie B the following season. Same with Ballotelli who started more games under the previous manager.
Also, Pepe and Ramos were the first choice defenders no matter how poor Pepe often looked under him. Varane only started games when one was injured or suspended or in cup games where the opposition were segunda's teams.
Also, there was no way he would have played Cech. Cech was already highly rated as one of the best keeper in Ligue 1, and he just had a storming performance at the 'O4 Euros and was named in the all star team of the tournament.
Also, it wasn't like Cech was a teenager.

10:09
VINNY'S UPDATE
Here's Vinny O'Connor's latest missive from United's training ground.
"A lawyer for the League Managers' Association, Paul Gilmour QC, has arrived at United's training ground. He initially tried to gain access but was turned away, but he returned about 15 minutes later and was allowed to go straight in.
"His CV includes names such as Roy Hodgson, Martin O'Neill, Gianfranco Zola, Sir Alex Ferguson, Harry Redknapp and David Moyes. Indeed he dealt with Moyes' departure from United as well. It could be coincidence that he's here with Louis van Gaal but the likelihood is that negotiations are well under way as regards a possible severance package."
09:56
ANOTHER CLUE
Here's an interesting development. Also at Manchester United's training ground now is Paul Gilroy QC, a well-known lawyer who is an "employment specialist who is frequently instructed in employment disputes in the sports sector." Our man Vinny is now on the scene, so we'll see what he has to say in a few moments...


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lekkie073:

based on my understanding, the issue of youth policy is more of a club policy more than a manager policy. Barca have a very good youth set up which made it easier for guardiola to make use of them when he was called on to manage the senior team. he knew the youth players in barca very well because he coached them. the same cannot be said of his time in bayern. and I doubt if he would look to the youth academy in mancity too.

on ur point that rashford is more likely to fail on d long run....u r very wrong an dat assertion. rashford is going to be a successful footballer. it is evident in his game. at such an age u rarely see him make mistakes...with the exception of being still a teen, he might make some inexperienced decisions once a while but his overall game play shows a player who plays better than his age. the difference between martial and rashford is minute.

man city youth academy is said to be the best in England at the moment.
youth development is really hard to do, and sustained success in that part of a club with huge aspirations like we do, is too hard and might not yield any fruit or not even enough to justify your effort,e go be like fighting 5 guys with one hand tied behind your back.
I don't think any academy of any major team is doing any outstanding job.luck is too much of a factor.
who as Barca produced that as been able to hold down a starting position in that team so far since busquets. I can only think of maybe this bactra guy maybe Barca fans fit help me.
rashford go dey alright we dey pray for am.

GBR1:

Very good post. You can add Robben at Chelsea, Varane, Di Maria etc at Madrid as other examples of youngsters who got ample playing time because they were simply good enough. We aren't Arsenal please who just play young guys for the fantasy of it and end up with nothing. That's the key point here. These are even at clubs with no good policy regards young players like Madrid or Chelsea. Chelsea and Madrid have had other managers over the last 10 years; so can anyone tell me the young players those other managers have brought through? Anyone?
So why does Mourinho gets all the blame?

People need to wake up. Since the turn of the century we haven't produced a single world class player from our youth academy. This is fact. Rasford looks a terrific talent but to be frank he's more likely to fail than make it. This is realism again.

SAF in his latter years cared less about bringing folks from the youth academy and you know what? those periods coincided with the time of our greatest dominance with him and everyone thanks him for the trophies and everything.

Pep considered a genius, right? Dominated well at Barcelona even using some players from the youth academy along the way whom he turned into world beaters. The point here again is that these players were good enough, they were played and that's why they suceeded.

But now at Bayern his time is done. Can anyone show me this world class player he has brought through? Or why his policy regards these young folks wasn't as impressive as his time at Barcelona?
Anyone?

People should wake up!

There's no way he wouldn't have played Robben who was Abramovich's signing and whenever he did, Robben was always phenomenal. Tell me how he could have benched him?
Also, Di Maria wasn't a teenager. He was 22-23 at the time Mourinho signed him and already had great experience playing in top flight matches for Benfica and he had a great worldcup for Argentina. He was just like Ozil, who was brought in too, after a fantastic worldcup.
Look at James Rodriguez for example, who was brought into Madrid team, at the age of 22/23. You wouldn't call him a youngster because he's had plenty of experience. He was a first team player at Porto at the age of 17/18 yrs and was already a core player for his national team just like Di Maria was.
As per Pep, Pep played Kimmich whose previous experience was from the German B league. He signed unproven Coman who had little game time or none at Juve and played him. I doubt Mourinho would have done any of that and wouldn't have signed Martial who only became a starting player for Monaco last season and has just made 19 starts in the league and had no international experience whatsoever.
Most of the young players that found their way into his starting team were players who were around 22/23 yrs and already had plenty of experience in the top flight games and were core players for their national team.

LMA lawyer Paul Gilroy QC arrives @ Carrington but turned away by security. Employment barrister acted for Moyes too pic.twitter.com/ REPvWPAAyd

link

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcsport_david/status/734666485667336192?p=v

SIRcumalot:

man city youth academy is said to be the best in England at the moment.
youth development is really hard to do, and sustained success in that part of a club with huge aspirations like we do, is too hard and might not yield any fruit or not even enough to justify your effort,e go be like fighting 5 guys with one hand tied behind your back.
I don't think any academy of any major team is doing any outstanding job.luck is too much of a factor.
who as Barca produced that as been able to hold down a starting position in that team so far since busquets. I can only think of maybe this bactra guy maybe Barca fans fit help me.
rashford go dey alright we dey pray for am.

but one thing is sure....jose when he finally arrives will buy a striker or two and rashford will be limited to maybe cup competitions and sub appearance in d league....if he continues his good plays under such conditions....then he would surely be a future united star....

lekkie073:

but one thing is sure....jose when he finally arrives will buy a striker or two AND RASHFORD WILL BE LIMITED TO MAYBE CUP COMPETITIONS AND SUB APPEARANCE IN THE LEAGUE....if he continues his good plays under such conditions....then he would surely be a future united star....

Not true! Jose mourinho does not care about reputations! If you deliver you become a key member of his squad! If rashford continues in this vein of goal scoring form next season jose would play him regardless of his age!


He did the same thing back in porto!

funlord:





Not true! Jose mourinho does not care about reputations! If you deliver you become a key member of his squad! If rashford continues in this vein of goal scoring form next season jose would play him regardless of his age!


He did the same thing back in porto!

look at it from this angle.....presently rashford is the only striker in d team...no reliable option 'B'...

meaning dat jose will need to buy at least one striker...I know he wont buy someone less prolific than rashford which will automatically relegate rashford to sub appearance.

lekkie073:

but one thing is sure....jose when he finally arrives will buy a striker or two and rashford will be limited to maybe cup competitions and sub appearance in d league....if he continues his good plays under such conditions....then he would surely be a future united star....

that is the harsh reality of playing for a big club,but if rashford is truly a special talent like you think he is then he could displace those incoming strikers if they fail to perform.
if he can't then his talent level his not worthy of starting place for Utd and he can stay on the bench and do some good work,or join a lower team and proves us all wrong.
make I ask,
don't you want him to sign a new guy?
do you think rashford is ready to lead us to our rightful place in football?

This people should make this thing fast na...shuo!!!!

some of our NL fans are really funny, so some people here really think we should depend on rashford and rooney as our centr forwards next season, na wa o.

lekkie073:

look at it from this angle.....presently rashford is the only striker in d team...no reliable option 'B'...

meaning dat jose will need to buy at least one striker...I know he wont buy someone less prolific than rashford which will automatically relegate rashford to sub appearance.

I think realistically the person he wants is "ZLATAN!" If zlatan falls in, then I'm sure even 'rashford' won't mind the bench because zlatan offers a lot more than him but he would still get game time!


But if it is "aubameyang" then him and "rashford" would have to battle it out for a starting berth because "martial" is untouchable and 'aubameyang' may need to show that he can cut it in this league 1st! But what I saw him do with "carlos alberto" back in his porto days gives me high hopes for rashford! Jose no dey look face!

funlord:





I think realistically the person he wants is "ZLATAN!" If zlatan falls in, then I'm sure even 'rashford' won't mind the bench because zlatan offers a lot more than him but he would still get game time!


But if it is "aubameyang" then him and "rashford" would have to battle it out for a starting berth because "martial" is untouchable and 'aubameyang' may need to show that he can cut it in this league 1st! But what I saw him do with "carlos alberto" back in his porto days gives me high hopes for rashford! Jose no dey look face!

zlatan is probably coming in as a player/assistant manager. aubameyang is fantastic but he might prove a hard player to bring due to our ucl non participation...morata or icardi r possible options too

SIRcumalot:

that is the harsh reality of playing for a big club,but if rashford is truly a special talent like you think he is then he could displace those incoming strikers if they fail to perform.
if he can't then his talent level his not worthy of starting place for Utd and he can stay on the bench and do some good work,or join a lower team and proves us all wrong.
make I ask,
don't you want him to sign a new guy?
do you think rashford is ready to lead us to our rightful place in football?

if rashford leads us in attack is a gamble to d detriment of winning d league. .but if dat remains d case I can bet dat with rashford leading d attack if we dont win d league next season we would in d subsequent one...my views though!

BREAKING NEWS!

El jefe is gone!!!!


Manchester United sack Luis "Phee-lo-so-phee" van gaal!!!!

parrotibaba:
BREAKING NEWS!


El jefe is gone!!!!



Manchester United sack Luis "Phee-lo-so-phee" van gaal!!!!

yes o...confirmed

parrotibaba:
BREAKING NEWS!


El jefe is gone!!!!



Manchester United sack Luis "Phee-lo-so-phee" van gaal!!!!

On behalf of all Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool fans aroumd the world we register our dissatisfaction regarding the sack of LVG.
Any plans to sabotage this philosophy will be strongly opposed.

kokaneprodigy:

On behalf of all Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool fans aroumd the world we register our dissatisfaction regarding the sack of LVG.
Any plans to sabotage this philosophy will be strongly opposed.

fear is in the eyes of the beholder
dont let it be YOU

Manchester United to make an official statement by 1pm today.



Finally

elrony:
This people should make this thing fast na...shuo!!!!

Omo! Some reliable United parody accounts on twitter are already reporting he's gone. And dat United will make an official statement by 1pm!

Me & Sinizia(the fat dude ) right now.....

lekkie073:
if rashford leads us in attack is a gamble to d detriment of winning d league. .but if dat remains d case I can bet dat with rashford leading d attack if we dont win d league next season we would in d subsequent one...my views though!

you really believe this rashford guy.
it always take me awhile to tell if some players are going to be great,
with some you can tell easily with others not so much.
it took me until this season to finally admit Harry Kane isn't using Juju.

O boy. Na tru o. party time

I was telling Dadehmola and co LvG's a goner they dey doubt

End of the 'process' and the 'philosophy'

SIRcumalot:

you really believe this rashford guy.
it always take me awhile to tell if some players are going to be great,
with some you can tell easily with others not so much.
it took me until this season to finally admit Harry Kane isn't using Juju.

by their fruits u shall know them. ...a good striker irrespective of age, will always have a movement as well as the ability to run towards defwnders without fear os losing d ball....rashford has these....his movements r so assured.....I wont mind saying it again....if martial cost us 36m, rashford would have cost us 30m assuming its monaco dat owns the two of them

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@OptaJoe: 51.3% - Louis van Gaal won 51.3% of league matches as Man Utd manager; only Sir Alex Ferguson (60.4%) & Ernest Mangall (54.2%) won more. Out

Finally! The boring Philosophy is dead and buried!

Finally! ESPN don carry the news too. Bye bye LVG...