logicboy:


What makes you think that people here on Nairaland are poor? Does the average Nigerian have internet? Does even the average internet service in Nigeria allow for the streaming of videos?


Why should we not criticise pastors who are fraudulent? Are you insane?

If u are not poor, u shuld mind ur own prosperity. Even God's wish is for us to prosper and be in health. U are just envious b'cos u are not in the shoe of the rich, if not u can't be here to say against people's prosperity. I advice u to pray to God for ur own time.

Akpu.Nku:


and u what are u doing here on NL, u jobles transgendered.

sorry am not here to abuse Pastors. Am enjoying my prosperity by God's grace so I have no time to envy pastor's prosperity.

FXKing2012:

The pastors dont discuss the critics, so why cant the critics leave the pastors alone and find better things to do with their lives? This shldnt be so hard to do.

..somebody like you will be the first person to criticise GEJ even when he no send you.u should just told us simply to leave corrupt people alone.kidnappers,robbers and so on since they dnt criticise us.

Beautymc: If u are not poor, u shuld mind ur own prosperity. Even God's wish is for us to prosper and be in health. U are just envious b'cos u are not in the shoe of the rich, if not u can't be here to say against people's prosperity. I advice u to pray to God for ur own time.

Ode, you have no idea how much I am worth and so, stop assuming.

Beautymc: If u are not poor, u shuld mind ur own prosperity. Even God's wish is for us to prosper and be in health. U are just envious b'cos u are not in the shoe of the rich, if not u can't be here to say against people's prosperity. I advice u to pray to God for ur own time.

you should ask god to reveal to you the difference between advice and advise.

or

You may want to spend your tithe on further education.

phenom666: I can see some guys are all ready going to hell just need fellower; don't be one of them. READ U R BIBLE and don't listen to f.o.o.l of the first order.

Thank God that neither you nor your pastor can beat his chest on who will go to heaven or hell. Can you see that this is also beyond you?

@crackhouse,you tried to prove that the riches of the wicked do not last by quoting psalms.this is evidence of stupidity.the wealth of the british royal family has lasted 900years,the hapsburgs 700years,the rothschilds 300 years,and the grimaldi 500,these are all masonic families.

God is always on His throne,He is the almighty,the King of kings knows it all,All belong to him and when the time comes everybody will give surely gives account of everything we do here on earth,God bless us all!!!

logicboy:


Ode, you have no idea how much I am worth and so, stop assuming.

U don't need to tell me ur worth b'cos u worth nothing. A man that worth something doesn't envy people's prosperity.

Logic Mind:

you should ask god to reveal to you the difference between advice and advise.

or

You may want to spend your tithe on further education.

U are saying rubbish meanwhile u can't pass ur English in waec for years. Tell God to reveal to u why u can't pass.

2good:

The pastors cannot be left alone because they are breeding more poverty with the fake prosperity they preach which is based on false hope.

Fake pastors are Virus in the system of Nigeria just as corupt politicians. The seed sower are co-operators in ignoramce. May God have mercy on both parties and deliver them. Yes, let God deliver the fake preacher and lazy sower and the high way of prosperity will be clear!!!

Its amazing dat dese 'god of men' have so brain washd their victims to dis point. Listen 2 each of dem u'll undastnd dat they are jst motivatnal speakers, who cun thier membas and disposes dem of dia little income. Seed requesting MOG=Corrupt politicians. Jst dat most nigerians are reactive. Reacting 2 d 'long stayed' poverty n troubles in dia lives mostly causd by bad leaders and they run to the politicians contemporaries 'god of men' and d result is more misery. GOD HELP US

Sweatshirt you seem to be so daft. How and in what way are pastors increasing poverty? Are these pastors responsible for the poverty among our non-christian brothers? Are the pastors in-charge of the government and policy makers?
Poverty will always be there and has always been among us even the bible admits that.
Poverty is a choice and certain factors are responsible for it.

Beautymc: If u are not poor, u shuld mind ur own prosperity. Even God's wish is for us to prosper and be in health. U are just envious b'cos u are not in the shoe of the rich, if not u can't be here to say against people's prosperity. I advice u to pray to God for ur own time.

This reminds me of many Nigerians who feel dat GEJ is enjoying his time and evryonelse shud wait 4 dia time(turn). Its only d evil ones dat say such tins. Anyone who tru legitimate means becomes rich in Nigeria, wil nt smile at any evil one. Its not about envy my dear. The truth is dat 'evil is not self sustaining'. If u get what i mean. Today Levi Ajuonuma, celestine onwuliri are gone. They were part of d govt o. It cud b anyone nxt. SPEAK AGAINST EVIL 2DAY!!!

Letz stop disturbin pple wit dis issue. D bible says dat on d last days pple wl no longer wnt d truth bt wl go 2 wher dea ears wl hear wat d want. So alow d so calld pastors 2 drain d pocket since d ar nt wise.

Too many Nigerians are ignorant and don't bother reading books or even the Bible themselves to ascertain the truth.

The way the world is structured, is that you would always pay for your IGNORANCE because "there's always a price tag" and "the dead stays dumb"

The simplest litmus test to tell you most of them are fake is what they preach often must be money related, & level of poverty aint changing still.

D/4, YES, it's increasing poverty.

gullible pple.

Man-of-God:
Letz stop disturbin pple wit dis issue. D bible says dat on d last days pple wl no longer wnt d truth bt wl go 2 wher dea ears wl hear wat d want. So alow d so calld pastors 2 drain d pocket since d ar nt wise.

sometimes i ask "hardcore christians" some questions to which they have no answers.
i ask them why the pastors have to wield so much influence over their lives even to the point where he has to be informed of every detail of their lives

i ask them why the priority of the pastors is always on building "fully airconditioned megachurch" "that will be worthy of the Lord"

i ask them why pastors now require exotic automobiles,aircrafts and even polic escorts to move around.

i ask them why a church will build a university with the aim of making profit and the members of the church who "sowed" their money,time and "prayer and fasting for God's mercy over the project" cant afford to send their kids to the school

i ask them why a pastor will wear a wristwatch that can feed a hungry church member for a year and feel good about it

i ask them why the pastors insist they can never be blessed unless they tithe,sow,sacrifice etc.and when they do all these things and blessings dont come,it then becomes "can grace abound in the presence of sin?"somehow the member does everything required and the breakthrough doesnt come and then he is told "for what shall it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul".either way the pastor has an escape route

some churches go to the point of having services daily even during working hours.how is someone who is always in church supposed to prosper at his business?

religion is an opium.it feels the need to believe.the unseen God of the isrealites is the unseen god of the isrealites.while the assyrians has baal,the babylonians had astarte,the greeks had zeus,the egyptians had ra,the isrealites had the unseen god.nowadays,baal and co are obselete but have been replaced with others.the unseen god has been spread round the world and and his apostles tell us without believing in him,we live miserably and dine with the devil in hell.they dont hhowever give us any reason why the unseen god created the entire world and chose one small group as his people and then unleashed then to go on a blood venting spree.they dont tell us what will happen to our forefathers who never heard of the gospel because the unseen god who created everyone still needed foot soldiers to walk round the world telling people about him and so our forefathers dies before the ships berthed on our shore.

i ask them lots of questions for which they have no answer.most of them have never even heard of constantine,the origin of christmas and easter,compilation of the bible,the crusades,the nicene crede etc.so i have stopped asking ignorant buffoons questions

Na wah for Nigerians? Always looking for who to blame, u need to listen to urselves, how will you say pastors are responsible for poverty? Is d issue here poverty or pastors? So many factors can cause poverty, I hear some people say tht the seed people sow is d reason, is it not people tht hv money tht sow seeds? Can a poor man who has nothing sow a seed? The Bible says he gives seed to d sower , pple tht sow seeds will always have seeds to sow, pple tht lack never give becos they don't hv, pple tht hv and don't give are mostly the ones tht criticize others tht give, becos they don't understand, pastors should practice wht they preach, if you say pple should give, then show example. The poor you will always hv with you, we ought to help our neighbors who are poor, it is not the function of pastor,govt but it is a general responsibility. How many poor pple hv you helped?

For many of these pastors it's simply a business, they have recognized a niche of desperation, fear, want and ignorance and are making a meal out of it. However you can't blame a good businessman for recognizing and understanding his market and the abundance of ignorance among the public. Some of the "prosperity pastors" are the real deal though. many of their members actually get weathier than they were 'fore they joined the churches. don't ask me how.

Mystiquet: For many of these pastors it's simply a business, they have recognized a niche of desperation, fear, want and ignorance and are making a meal out of it. However you can't blame a good businessman for recognizing and understanding his market and the abundance of ignorance among the public. Some of the "prosperity pastors" are the real deal though. many of their members actually get weathier than they were 'fore they joined the churches. don't ask me how.

Fraud is a global crime that should not be tolerated. What these men are committing is fraud because they sell false hope to people and do away with the little money these gullible people have. These men of god should be treated as criminals because that is what they are.

You can make your choice to enter into heaven like Abraham or Lazarus.As for me i choose to enter like Abraham.The gospel is first to be preached to the poor.God no 1 wish is for his children to prosper even as their soul prospers.Those condemming the prosperity Gospel are operating in High level ignorance.This is not to exempt deceitful preachers who have turned everything upside down.

Everybody can't be rich. It's impossible. There is no magical solution to poverty, it doesn't work that way.

Gbammmmm.....!!!

They believe that once u are a christain...wealth is complulsory.

FXKing2012]

The pastors dont discuss the critics, so why cant the critics leave the pastors alone and find better things to do with their lives? This shldnt be so hard to do

nigerians love to leave things alone and not discuss them and try to find better things to do with their lives. thats why the country is ruined and evil is spreading at alarming rates.

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Niflheim: @crackhouse,you tried to prove that the riches of the wicked do not last by quoting psalms.this is evidence of stupidity.the wealth of the british royal family has lasted 900years,the hapsburgs 700years,the rothschilds 300 years,and the grimaldi 500,these are all masonic families.

the british royal family have no real wealth. its pseudo-cash

Shokoloko:

the british royal family have no real wealth. its pseudo-cash

i wish i have pseudo cash.

logicboy:


What makes you think that people here on Nairaland are poor? Does the average Nigerian have internet?[color=#990000][/color] Does even the average internet service in Nigeria allow for the streaming of videos?


Why should we not criticise pastors who are fraudulent? Are you insane?

BRO, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. FOR YOU TO HAVE AN INTERNET ON YOUR PC AT HOME, YOU ARE FAIRLY OK. NO DOUBT.

FXKing2012:

The pastors dont discuss the critics, so why cant the critics leave the pastors alone and find better things to do with their lives? This shldnt be so hard to do.

And if critics don't wana leave pastors alone, u too leave critics alone now...abi e dy pain u..abi u be pastor ni

Finally, someone that can see thru all the madness pastors are allowed to commit all in the name of Jesus.

I hate it when ignorant people simply follow someone else just because they cant think for themselves. you sit down and listen to one man read the bible out of context only so more money will flow in his church all in the name of "seed sowing".

Respectable theologians have concluded that the main point of Christianity is living your life like Jesus did. Show me ONE pastor in Nigeria living his life as Jesus and I will shut up. Most of the things in the bible are made up (senior citizen cramps two of every animal on a boat.. oh for fck sake!!!). you need to open your history books and see how the bible was composed.

Too sick for words!! "signs and wonders" my foot. more like "signs of madness"

Delafruita:
sometimes i ask "hardcore christians" some questions to which they have no answers.
i ask them why the pastors have to wield so much influence over their lives even to the point where he has to be informed of every detail of their lives

i ask them why the priority of the pastors is always on building "fully airconditioned megachurch" "that will be worthy of the Lord"

i ask them why pastors now require exotic automobiles,aircrafts and even polic escorts to move around.

i ask them why a church will build a university with the aim of making profit and the members of the church who "sowed" their money,time and "prayer and fasting for God's mercy over the project" cant afford to send their kids to the school

i ask them why a pastor will wear a wristwatch that can feed a hungry church member for a year and feel good about it

i ask them why the pastors insist they can never be blessed unless they tithe,sow,sacrifice etc.and when they do all these things and blessings dont come,it then becomes "can grace abound in the presence of sin?"somehow the member does everything required and the breakthrough doesnt come and then he is told "for what shall it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul".either way the pastor has an escape route

some churches go to the point of having services daily even during working hours.how is someone who is always in church supposed to prosper at his business?

religion is an opium.it feels the need to believe.the unseen God of the isrealites is the unseen god of the isrealites.while the assyrians has baal,the babylonians had astarte,the greeks had zeus,the egyptians had ra,the isrealites had the unseen god.nowadays,baal and co are obselete but have been replaced with others.the unseen god has been spread round the world and and his apostles tell us without believing in him,we live miserably and dine with the devil in hell.they dont hhowever give us any reason why the unseen god created the entire world and chose one small group as his people and then unleashed then to go on a blood venting spree.they dont tell us what will happen to our forefathers who never heard of the gospel because the unseen god who created everyone still needed foot soldiers to walk round the world telling people about him and so our forefathers dies before the ships berthed on our shore.

i ask them lots of questions for which they have no answer.most of them have never even heard of constantine,the origin of christmas and easter,compilation of the bible,the crusades,the nicene crede etc.so i have stopped asking ignorant buffoons questions

"i ask them why a church will build a university
with the aim of making profit and the
members of the church who "sowed" their
money,time and "prayer and fasting for God's
mercy over the project" cant afford to send
their kids to the school"
this is why I believe Nigerian are special creatures, always ready to be fooled.:-P

3kay945:
"i ask them why a church will build a university
with the aim of making profit and the
members of the church who "sowed" their
money,time and "prayer and fasting for God's
mercy over the project" cant afford to send
their kids to the school"
this is why I believe Nigerian are special creatures, always ready to be fooled.:-P

fool again and again and again and again until you are bored of fooling them.

3kay945:

fool again and again and again and again until you are bored of fooling them.

bros why is it paining you now? Did they use your money to build it? Or is a university to big for God to build?