maclatunji:

So, do you think you stand a chance with her going by all of this your sermonising?

Well with this kind of setting(NL) i may not be able to give u a definitive ans cos of many reasons. sje wouldnt want to be seen as a 'Judas' Therefore NL post might not achieve anything but will sure get a message down into the marrow

maclatunji:
You might think you are liberal but in any game, you have to play by the rules.

Well liberalization also may not be absolute cos as human beings sometimes we bend our own rules(hope u understand what i mean)
Talking about rules, we must ask ourselves who set those rules? man or God? if its Man, man also can change man's rule. If its God, man can plead with God for mercy and God being a merciful father, may oblige to man's plea.

We must also establish a fact that some rules if against our wishes, can be bent in order for us to have our way, especially this kind of 'rules' we are talking about here which is highly controversial and partial

maclatunji: The same religion that has shaped her into the 'fine damsel' that you seek is what you seek to draw her away from.

Nope sir. Her xter has got nothing to do with religion but parental upbring. I know this for sure.
BTW im not drawing her away from God

maclatunji: I know, she can practice her religion you say. I say she cannot because Islam is not a religion. It is a way of life!

Nope sir. Islam is a BIG religion. U need to define what religion means and u'll know Islam falls within very well with dogmas, practices and belief. If its not a religion the IT guy in my office wouldnt because of not wanting to miss Friday Jumat 5 weeks ago walked all the way from Saka Tinubu VI down to my office on Lewis street, which is damn far.

Thanks for ur time and looking forward to ur response

You argue from your narrow perspective. Let me give you a simple test: Tell me what the fundamentals are when it comes to worshipping God in Christianity. How must Christians worship God?

You say this lady's virtues come from her parental upbringing not her religion. This just proves my point, she is not even remotely under your control and you are already dismissing the important role her religion plays in her life. God forbid, should she ever marry you as a Christian, you would tell her that all she believes in and holds dear are insignificant and better left behind thereby in effect making her a non-Muslim.

Look, I am a romantic person and like stories of love conquering obstacles. However, in this case romance takes secondary place to matters of spirituality especially when God's laws are involved. If you challenge or dispute that this is God's law, you are only showing that we are right in saying she should not even look at you because it is an insult to us.

thanks for the response. I'll reply as follows

maclatunji: You argue from your narrow perspective.

I dont think so. On the contrary, i feel its u that needs to get out of the stereotyped way of thinking to see things from another perspective.

Let me give you a simple test:

Im willing to take it.

Tell me what the fundamentals are when it comes to worshipping God in Christianity. How must Christians worship God?

simple ans. Jesus told us that God is a spirit and we christians that worship him must do so in truth and in spirit. I subscribe to spiritual worship other than the physical body exercise of practicing religion and not true worship

You say this lady's virtues come from her parental upbringing not her religion. This just proves my point, she is not even remotely under your control and you are already dismissing the important role her religion plays in her life.

may be we should even broaden the scope of this discourse. What important role does religion play in the lives of taliban, alqaeda and Boko haram sects? dont they practice same religion?

God forbid, should she ever marry you as a Christian, you would tell her that all she believes in and holds dear are insignificant and better left behind thereby in effect making her a non-Muslim.

This is complete BS and ignorantly composed. U graduated from and became ok in life because of religion right? Im studying for my PHD right now becos of religion right? Seun Osewa is reasonably successful today becos he believes in God right? Mark Zukerberg of Facebook is a confirmed atheist but he's not successful becos he doent have a belief right?

Look, I am a romantic person and like stories of love conquering obstacles. However, in this case romance takes secondary place to matters of spirituality especially when God's laws are involved.

U're just equivocating and talking BS. U simply have no idea of what spirituality entails cos from the foregoing discussion, u simply believe that practising religion is the same as being being spiritual. smdh

If you challenge or dispute that this is God's law, you are only showing that we are right in saying she should not even look at you because it is an insult to us.

Ignorance on display. which God's law? the man made partial law is what u call God's law?

U will do a lot good by proving to me how its God's law

^Exactly my point, if you think this way of me, what will you think of the lady in question who holds similar beliefs more or less?

It is either she drops her beliefs for yours or you start to get irritated with her for not dropping them. Either way, she is on the loosing end and you know there isn't a shortage of Muslim men willing to treat her like a queen.

In reality, she has no reason to consider your approach favourably.

maclatunji: ^Exactly my point, if you think this way of me, what will you think of the lady in question who holds similar beliefs more or less?

It is either she drops her beliefs for yours or you start to get irritated with her for not dropping them. Either way, she is on the loosing end and you know there isn't a shortage of Muslim men willing to treat her like a queen.

In reality, she has no reason to consider your approach favourably.

I can see that u are on a blackmail mission so i comment no more.

Let's meet on another thread to discuss why and how it's man and not God that placed a barrier on inter-religious union

cheers and happy Easter Monday

Before i go, [s]i dont think there are Muslim men that can perform like i would[/s]

^Why?

becos u look gentle but stubborn

I don't know about my looks but I accept the gentle part. Stubborn? No. I am just principled. You mean there is no Christian girl out there for you? I find that untenable.

i haven't said there are no xtian damsel that i fancy.
This one matter get as hin be for my heart. I no want make she fall for the bad guy

It would break your heart if she does fall for someone who doesn't treat her right (God forbid), wouldn't it? I understand the feeling.

yes. but it would also pain if if its not me. Even though its the last thing on my mind right now. If she says yes, even if na to borrow money for nikai tomorrow Tuesday, i go borrow am

^LOL. I see that the Dopamine levels in your brain are bursting the charts. God-willing when we all settle-down, we will come and re-read some of the threads here and Laugh Our Freaking Selves Out. (LOFSO).

Nikai is for Muslim man wedding Muslim Woman/Woman of People of the Book(?).

Toba are you saying you are now ready to become a Muslim (not because of woman O)?

i havent said anything about switching beliefs but i can do anything to please the person in question. never say never

deols:
i wonder why anyone would prevent a holy union. they must be bad people

thank u jare my dearest. No mind them. them dey jolos no ni

toba: i havent said anything about switching beliefs but i can do anything to please the person in question. never say never

We wouldn't want you to claim to be a Muslim because of her. We would like you to become a Muslim because you believe in the validity of Islam as a complete way of life.

If you say you are a Muslim because of her, what would happen when you fight like all couples do. I read today that the average couple bickers over 2700 times a year. Will you keep changing religion every time you fight?

I know truly loving a person is actually equivalent to an addiction in the brain but you might have to find the strength to be rational about it.

The ones we love may not love us back. That is the way life is. Even if you become a Muslim, her answer may still be no. Can you handle that?

maclatunji:

We wouldn't want you to claim to be a Muslim because of her. We would like you to become a Muslim because you believe in the validity of Islam as a complete way of life.

If you say you are a Muslim because of her, what would happen when you fight like all couples do. I read today that the average couple bickers over 2700 times a year. Will you keep changing religion every time you fight?

I know truly loving a person is actually equivalent to an addiction in the brain but you might have to find the strength to be rational about it.

The ones we love may not love us back. That is the way life is. Even if you become a Muslim, her answer may still be no. Can you handle that?

Not in this case. Since i was born and now that im fully grown, God has never failed to ans any of my requests except if he sees im plying the wrong path.

Reason why we must not allow religion to becloud our reasoning

^Chai! Toba is sick with infatuation. Old boy, take am easy O.

infa wetin. This kind love is tested and confirmed.

Thank allah u know the person in questn. ask her if im not serious

toba: infa wetin. This kind love is tested and confirmed.

Thank allah u know the person in questn. ask her if im not serious

You cannot truly love someone without some degree of infatuation being involved. In this your case, it is not just in the right mix (Infatuation is too much). You just have to begin to think and accept that you may not be the one she will say yes to.

maclatunji:

You cannot truly love someone without some degree of infatuation being involved. In this your case, it is not just in the right mix (Infatuation is too much). You just have to begin to think and accept that you may not be the one she will say yes to.

So u are now a love doctor Abi?

Ari inu ro de
Olumoran okan abi?

^You can call me any name you like. What is more important than that is the question: is maclatunji right? Not what I think or don't think of myself. Even a madman can make sense sometimes. Of course, I am very much sane but you do get my point, don't you?

U may be right, but in my own case u are wrong. I feel u but the right word should have been a little bit of obsession rather than infatuation. I hope u get my point.

It starts from looks/appearance/beauty.
Next is likeness, then love/obsession

toba: U may be right, but in my own case u are wrong. I feel u but the right word should have been a little bit of obsession rather than infatuation. I hope u get my point.

It starts from looks/appearance/beauty.
Next is likeness, then love/obsession

You see the thing is I have been accused of not caring about other people's feelings on Nairaland and trampling on them (feelings). Of course, I have been telling anybody who cares to listen that it is not true. However, if many people start to say the same thing. One has to consider their thoughts (although, I can guarantee that they are wrong).

Why all of this? The truth is that I did not want to call you obsessed because I did not want to upset you. However, now that you have willingly accepted the tag I can say openly that yes Toba! You are obsessed with the lady in question and it is not healthy.

Sorry, sincere Muslims are not into dating but I am sure you would be more rational if you got to be more familiar with her. Not because she is a bad person but because as the saying goes 'familiarity breeds contempt'! It is a rule that you cannot escape.

Toba, let the lady go and move on. Time is slipping away. Remember even becoming a Muslim may not be enough to win her heart.

U've started again. whats wrong with u sef? is it bad belle worrying u or what?

toba: U've started again. whats wrong with u sef? is it bad belle worrying u or what?

Bad belle over what?

maclatunji:

Bad belle over what?

You talk too much May be that's why she doesn't like u

toba:

You talk too much May be that's why she doesn't like u

I am very open to my family and those I consider to be my friends but extremely reserved with other people. Her? Whatever will be will be. However, I know that my hands are clean in the matter and for me that is what matters most.

maclatunji:

I am very open to my family and those I consider to be my friends but extremely reserved with other people. Her? Whatever will be will be. However, I know that my hands are clean in the matter and for me that is what matters most.

How clean are ur hands?

toba:

How clean are ur hands?

As white as snow. #LOL but #Serious

U are in love right?

toba: U are in love right?

Just seeing this (I had to sleep last night). Hmmm... Yes, I think I am.

If we want to continue our chit-chat, I think we should go here. https://www.nairaland.com/751801/muslim-singles-let-us-talk