nene1: I didn't fall for anything. I knew what she was getting at. I did nt criticize the ruling, but just stating my difficulty understanding some things.

toba:

Let me respond to u, seeing u as one of the non myopic few Muslims we have around.

Please dont let ur self to be brainwashed by failing not to ask questions on 'rules' or laws that are man made and not God made.

If u read my post on this thread, i've asked all Muslims concerned to show me from the quran where GOD or Allah directly told Muslim men to marry Christian women and the same Allah now told the women not to marry outside their religion.

Its pure lopsidedness and selfishness on the part of some of these scholars. Like u rightly said, why is the law so biased towards women? Are the men more human than the women?

There are so many BS that comes along with Religion.

Pls don't be brainwashed. God didn't tell any Muslim woman not to marry a Christian Man. Its pure ignorance and man made selfish rule that brought about all these BS.

Look at some of the texts coming from Boko Haram, Some of them claim they are fighting for God by killing God's pple that haven't done any evil against them. They even quoted the Quran to back up their devilish acts. Can we then say becos they Quoted the quran, they are doing the right thing by killing innocent pple? Try to liken this to the so called push by ignorant muslims that women shouldnt marry outside their religion.

I've spoken to more enlightened muslims outside the forum and they are willing to Marry anyone provided that person believes in God.

See my bro, they'll go ahead with such Marriages and nothing would happen therafter.


Im still waiting to read the part in the quaran where God himself said, 'Oh Muslims don't marry Christians for ur daughters'

toba:

Why are u like this? I've tolerated u by giving u the benefit of a doubt, not aligning with several Muslims and non Muslims that criticize u for the funny behaviour u seldom exhibit on N[/b]L.

I just hope ur online character is quite different from ur real world character

SMH

maclatunji:

Yawns! The word you are looking for is 'enigmatic'. I have only one life to live, I live it well without pandering to the likes of you- get used to it or continue to shake your head.

toba:

I just feel sorry for u. U probably think life ends on the internet.

May be im right cos u really messed up on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/879400/marriage-hijabi-non-hijab/2#10534590 and 'we know' the efforts put in before she sheathed her sword
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you deal with that

maclatunji:

Whatever you think you know is your business my friend. I take care of my business you take care of yours.

Gee, I didn't know life continues outside of the internet, could you lecture me more on the subject matter please?

LOL.

toba: I really dont think there would be any need for that cos the real cause of ur issue is that, u need a woman and im most certain, once u find one, you'll sit tight.

Its better we find one for u.

Do u mind me giving u my special one?

toba: Do u mind me giving u my special one?

maclatunji:

@bolded, you mean I need someone to give me problems to worry about so that I can be read-less here. #IamJokingladies The major reason I am not involved is because I am not yet ready. Yes, I disturb you-know-who a lot but if I am ready, I know where to look.

I think it is time your family put real pressure on you. At this rate you will not find somebody soon. Isn't there a saying that when the desirable is not available, the available becomes the desirable.

toba:
guy what do u want us to believe? Those of us that are in house knows u are in love with someone here and im also most certain again that ur 'love' for her should have led to marriage if things worked out. why are u now saying u are not ready?



Im still a 'young man' even though someone in my office hates it when i say such. I've told her(thank God she's still single and not interested in anyone) that after her service, we will go to the altar for Nikai

maclatunji:

@bolded, I was typing something else before but I had to delete that because I am thinking to myself: "If Toba thinks I want to marry her like yesterday, maybe she also feels the same way. Hence, her more determined resistance to shrug me off at all cost." Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to fool around. In fact, it is because I don't want to fool around that letting go is so hard for me.

Yeah, I really like her but in terms of the practicalities of becoming a married man, the stage at which she is at as an individual is perfect (for my personal plans as well) because I feel I will be truly ready when she would be ready and that made sense to me right from the beginning.

So even if we had both agreed to give each other a chance, marriage was/is still someway off in the future not immediately. I didn't imagine that you thought that I would marry her straightaway. I mean there is the very obvious barrier of her undergoing training in a different country so why would you think I would want to marry her right away? It is practically impossible!

Was that coherent? Let me know.

nene1:

That is the point of my confusion in the first place. It is a slippery slope. I don't want to criticize my religion but at the same time I feel like everything in Islam favors men. Well at least the INTERPRETATIONS Since I am not a scholar, I cannot say their INTERPRETATIONS are wrong, but we do have to keep in mind that most scholars are men and very very rarely a women. It says women of the "people of the book" are lawful to them which they interpret to mean Christian and Jewish women. Maybe someone who is more knowledgeable can explain that verse better to me. It is difficult for me to understand why muslim men are allowed to marry a non-muslim woman at all expecially when muslim women are not. I just don't get why children with a muslim father vs. muslim mother are more likely to turn out muslim when many of these muslim men with non-muslim wives almost never have muslim children. I have NEVER seen it personally. I wonder if some muslim men like to twist these verses so they can marry whoever they want. It is great for muslim men. You can marry up to 4 and she doesn't have to be muslim. So many options for them.

uplawal: Any muslim taking to Toba's advice is heading towards destruction-hellfire.

toba: keep deceiving urself. U were born a christian and practised christianity till u changed belief. U know absolutely nothing about Islam.

I have challenged all muslims to show me where Allah made such decree that ur men can marry xtian but ur women cannot. To date, non have the balls to do so cos it was mere man dictate and not God's.

Stop following deceit. Hell fire ko, hot fire ni mtcheeeeeeeeeeew

maclatunji:

Stop blowing hot and cold. As for the verses read this http://www.zawaj.com/askbilqis/why-cant-a-muslim-woman-marry-a-non-muslim-man-12th-june-2011-ready/ I don't want to post them here because you will just argue and argue. Go and argue with the kind people over there.

TruthSeeker22 on July 23, 2011 • 12:29 am:
Dear Wael, Thank you for your response. If I am not mistaken, the verse you have quoted also states: "Do not marry idolatresses until they believe..." (2:221) This is stated before the part that says not to marry your girls to idolaters.
If the same command is given to men in this same verse, why does this verse not overrule their permission to marry women of the book like it does for women to marry men of the book? I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my question.

I am trying my best to understand the matters of my religion of which I do not have enough knowledge yet, and I thank you for assisting me in this aim.

wael on July 23, 2011 • 5:55 am:
There is a general prohibition in Islam against marrying non-believers, whether male or female.

However, Allah has made a specific exception for men only to marry women from the People of the Book. So when Allah says, "Do not marry idolatresses" the word in Arabic is "mushrikeen" and it's a reference to the people who worship idols, statues, multiple gods, etc. It's not referring to the Christians and Jews. The term "mushrikeen" or idolaters have never been used to refer to the People of the Book. There are other conditions for marrying women from the People of the Book; for example they should be chaste. This is a condition that is commonly violated among Muslim men who marry these women. Wael IslamicAnswers.com Editor

maclatunji: Did I not say you will argue, "Then if you know them to be Believers, do not send them back to the unbelievers. They are not halal for them (as wives), nor are they halal for them (as husbands)." - (Q60:V10) This verse talks about women who were captured in war that have become Muslims by choice, It says they are not to be returned to non-Muslims including Christian and Jews, note the word there is unbelievers not idolators.

If women who became Muslims by being prisoners of war are not to be allowed to be returned to their non-believing HUSBANDS. Is it our free Muslim women that we will now hand over to people like Toba? The prohibition is clear and no exception has been made for women no matter how little.

I have an idea of what you will say next. Re-read the text again and stop deciphering that which does not exist in your favour or for your benefit.

Dr. Khaleel Mohammed:

In our day, since Qur'anic Islam (as opposed to the Islam of the male jurists) must acknowledge the radical notion that women are equals of men, that women have legal rights, and that those rights include placing conditions on the marriage (what you and I would term a 'pre‐nuptial agreement'), then an inter‐ faith marriage can take place on condition that neither spouse will be forcibly converted to the other's religion. As long as that condition is respected, you and she have my blessing.

toba:

My guy hope all is well.

Now lets come back home. U know what we ve been fighting over in the last one year or thereabout right?

Base on my inquiry, are u maclatunji allowed to marry Chika a christian in Nigeria and i toba is not allowed to marry a mukinaw(muslim) judging by the dictate of the Quran? did Allah give such directive or it was ur prophet that was narrating was he feels u guys should do?

toba: In our day, since Qur'anic Islam (as opposed to the Islam of the male jurists) must acknowledge the radical notion that women are equals of men, that women have legal rights, and that those rights include placing conditions on the marriage (what you and I would term a 'pre‐nuptial agreement'), then an inter‐ faith marriage can take place on condition that neither spouse will be forcibly converted to the other's religion. As long as that condition is respected, you and she have my blessing.

maclatunji:

Dr. Khaleel's blessing is not the basis of Islam. There are many non-Muslims with the same qualifications he has. Would I now seek religious guidance from them? I bet such a marriage has Toba's blessing as well. By the way, there are many funny scholars in North America that seek to pander to American/Western interests, So, you will find enough pseudo-scholars that will tell you what you want to hear. It doesn't mean it has basis in Islam.