Snrman1:
Normally everybody won japa but i don't like the fact that japa activists always come out when something bad happens.

Joezinho:


Bros, I don't think you know how fvxked up Nigeria is at the moment. This country is a ticking time bomb .You can assess this country by mere looking at the faces of people on the streets. Most people are so frustrated and dejected..

I have my PVC but heaven knows I am not stepping out of my house on that day...I don't wanna be used for target practices by some gun welding political thugs..
Na person wey never see problem dey use English dey pray.

nihilistjnr:


Someone that isn't even old enough to vote dey advise you to go and collect PVC and you sef dey answer am...

Meanwhile the werey don japa o

Joezinho:


Omooooo.. So na me fit to remain here and fix naija while his underaged ass his sitting in a Canadian province enjoying the goodies of the western world? Kaiiii

Internet na scam.

nihilistjnr:



BRUHHH

I think some people just like to write epistles just because they can, not because they actually have anything to say.

BlueRayDick:
Most Nigerians do not practise what they preach . Know this and know peace

iamoyindamola:

Jude they sa they shout don't japa

donjazet:


Bro, I'm really surprised this japa argument took soo many pages. I don't think anyone is against anybody immigrating. Immigration is good, but that is for the individual.

This guy's post is for the collective. He's speaking against those like donstan who now argues against people getting their PVCs.
People advising other people to japa is synonymous to telling everyone, be rich oo!! In this life, make sure you have money oo! Money is good oo! I mean the advice is solid. It's already something everyone knows but at the end of the day, the reality is that, it's impossible for every single individual to be wealthy. To be wealthy, you need access to capital, favourable economic season and climate, good individual frugality and discipline etc. In short, there is no part of the world where everyone is rich! In those foreign countries people are going to, there is also existence of abject poverty and crime. To succeed there as an immigrant will require 2 things, money and an extraordinarily strong will. Not everyone has those.

So to tell people to japa AND at the same time tell them not to vote and attempt to better their country is a double edge sword. It's a conundrum. It's giving someone cake with feaces inside.

Japa is a good and sensible advice. Telling people not to get their PVC or vote is a terrible advice. Telling people to lose hope in their country is another distasteful advice. I think all argument emanated from this misunderstanding.

BlueRayDick:


That one wey go smoke Igbo finish begin make different conjecture ; dey postulate nonsense up and down.

nihilistjnr:


Bro, is this you?

Joezinho:


Bros, I don't think you know how fvxked up Nigeria is at the moment. This country is a ticking time bomb .You can assess this country by mere looking at the faces of people on the streets. Most people are so frustrated and dejected..

I have my PVC but heaven knows I am not stepping out of my house on that day...I don't wanna be used for target practices by some gun welding political thugs..

Na person wey never see problem dey use English dey pray.

TheDarkGamer:
Life can be so funny sometimes.

A lot of people have been talking about leaving the country and advising that people should try their best to ensure that that dream is achieved. They discourage people from voting or getting PVCs to vote and have a sliver of hope in a hopeless nation.

To 'japa' from the country is not a feasible option for every individual in Nigeria. You say that they should have the drive and motivation to work hard for their goals and bring stories that show how people left the country. Nobody says that it is a bad advice. But it becomes very stupid when you advice every citizen of a country to immigrate to other countries. Not only is that not feasible even in your wildest dreams, but try to imagine it.

BlueRayDick:


Can u point out to just one post on this thread in the last 24hours in which “everyone was advised to japa ?

I have gone through the thread since yesterday morning when the discussion began and I am at a loss as to how u arrived at what u wrote up there. Probably u formed that in ur head and garnished it as much as u can. At least I saw posts from nihilistjnr repeatedly saying Japa is not for everyone especially when the corrupt civil servant talked about how he games the system , enjoys some “perks” and not necessarily interested in working hard to earn a decent living like it’s expected of you abroad .

Even Ibime, Raumdeuter and Afrodoc maintained that going abroad is only for those with “can-do” spirit who wouldn’t mind taking their time to climb the social ladder . Yet u somehow interpret it to mean they are preaching japa to every ekaette, Jimoh and co.

Maybe u don’t know , most people traveling are not even doing so cos of the money . Some are doing it for security. I know someone personally who works in a decent company in the financial sector and the wife works in an oil servicing company. They left to the UK just for security reasons; his home town was raided by marauding herdsmen at the height of the senseless raids being carried out by Fulani herdsmen ; imagine if he had gone home to see his grandpa during that period what would’ve happened when those illiterates see him, his wife and kids inside SUV.

One of my friends on that akure road, Ondo lost his mum to Fulani herdsmen attacks . She was hit by stray bullet when the herdsmen blocked the road in an attempt to kidnap people. He was outside the country that time doing masters planning to come back, however after the incident he’s vowed not to come back and has focused on doing his PHd there and settle afterwards.

If anybody wants to travel for any reason , please let them travel Abeg . It is only those who wear the shoes knows where it pinches.

nihilistjnr:


Anybody telling you to go and look for PVC whilst processing visa out of the country is a wicked person.

Japa is also a political statement. Its a vote of no confidence in the useless and hopeless contraption called Nigeria.

donjazet:


Bro, I'm really surprised this japa argument took soo many pages. I don't think anyone is against anybody immigrating. Immigration is good, but that is for the individual.

This guy's post is for the collective. He's speaking against those like donstan who now argues against people getting their PVCs.
People advising other people to japa is synonymous to telling everyone, be rich oo!! In this life, make sure you have money oo! Money is good oo! I mean the advice is solid. It's already something everyone knows but at the end of the day, the reality is that, it's impossible for every single individual to be wealthy. To be wealthy, you need access to capital, favourable economic season and climate, good individual frugality and discipline etc. In short, there is no part of the world where everyone is rich! In those foreign countries people are going to, there is also existence of abject poverty and crime. To succeed there as an immigrant will require 2 things, money and an extraordinarily strong will. Not everyone has those.

So to tell people to japa AND at the same time tell them not to vote and attempt to better their country is a double edged sword. It's a conundrum. It's like giving someone cake with feaces inside.

Japa is a good and sensible advice. Telling people not to get their PVC or to not vote is a terrible advice. Telling people to lose hope in their country is another distasteful advice. I think all argument emanated from this misunderstanding.

TheDarkGamer:


I'll say once again that I'm not against the idea of leaving the country. No, it's probably the best decision a person can take in this trying times.

I just wanted to point out that there are people out there that cannot do that and don't have the luxury to do so. People saying 'japa' are only looking out for themselves and their best interest (which is understandable because it's human nature). But, what is the fate of the people you leave behind in the country. If you want to leave and have the means to do so, at least encourage the people that can't leave to vote and try to make a difference in their lives. That's all. It doesn't matter if you think that the elections are just formality or a waste of time. It would cost you nothing to vote for your country. If a bad candidate comes in, you have a clean conscience knowing that you made an effort.

Besides, I wrote what I wrote based on posts I saw within the last ten pages or so. Not necessarily 24 hours ago.

Thank you.

TheDarkGamer:


It's not that deep.

I never advised people not to leave the country, my focus was on people that have no means to do so, and probably never will.

Besides, I'm a student in a Top 5 Canadian university. My parents pay tens of millions (naira) just for my yearly tuition. My living expenses like food, housing (I live in a house off campus), shopping, etc is also quite expensive, though it helps if you have a job. My point is, I could afford that (or my parents could). Not everyone is that privileged. That's why I said that the solution to Nigeria's problems (if you believe it has a solution) is not to "japa'. Not everyone can do that.

So, I think posting a screenshot of my past quotes make no sense in this context. I'm not against immigrating, do it if you can. But, what happens to those you leave behind?

nihilistjnr:


It makes a lot of sense because you're clearly not qualified to be discussing a japa message

Your parents who are clearly people of means have realised that their child is better off in a different country. Your parents....not you.

You're not a decision maker. You're not even 18 years old yet.

You just got to Canada. You don't have anything to offer. You've never held employment. You've never had to work for a living or even look for work. You're not a skilled professional who is wasting away in that shithole of a country.

That's why I brought that screenshot, because it provides the context for what I'm about to say next.

The abroad based people who have contributed to this conversation are highly qualified professionals, parents, home owners etc. In real life, we would be having this conversation with your mum and dad not with you.

I was at your exact stage in 2006. I am 35 years old now, a husband, a father, a british citizen, a multiple landlord, and can pay your schoolfees comfortably. Infact, i still sponsored my wife's masters degree 2 years ago. Im currently running my own MBA right now. This isn't to brag, but to make a point about thr opportunity the UK has given me personally.

So when I know what is possible, and I'm advising people to do thr needful, I'm not speaking from a theoretical standpoint, asking stupid questions like what happens to the people left behind - You that went to Canada this year, did you pack your whole family in your suitcase?

I'm talking to people who recognise life as an individual race, and are tired of a useless hopeless country holding back their destiny. Those are the people that I'm telling to come over here, to US, to Canada, Germany, etc, because I KNOW I made it, and so they can too.

So when a dissenting voice starts talking about Ekaete abd Abdul or whatever rubbish you were saying, it's very important to post screenshot that shed a little light on the person behind that voice, contextualising it as the voice of a 17 year old child who has no real idea about life.

You're not qualified to enter this discussion bro. Not even in the slightest.

BlueRayDick:


Maybe u should read the posts again. Those advising japa acknowledged the fact that not everyone can and will eventually japa. What they did was educate those that are interested that the positive side of japa far outweighs the negative.

Raumdeuter for example talked about earning a decent salary as at 15 years ago when he left the country and he has never regretted leaving at that time.

Ibime acknowledged being privileged to return back to the UK where he was birthed . He acknowledged the fact that it might not be easy for others but if they find their way down there , it will be one of the best decisions they ever made.

Nihilistjnr on the other hand exposed how moot the point the corrupt civil servant was trying to raise when he assumed most Nigerians abroad are driving taxis or licking the whiteman’s assss.

What these guys up there and others abroad who contributed to the discussion have done is to give people a glimpse of their own realities without sounding selfish. You may not know, there are people who intend traveling on this thread but have the fear of the unknown due to spin tales of Nigerians on Twitter who paint a grim picture of life abroad.

As regards PVC and voting , there are thousands of people who by their own volition will not vote because they don’t trust the electoral process. Such people already made up their mind not to vote, it has nothing to do with japa or not. In fact, some people only intend to get the PVC to use as a means of identification.

TheDarkGamer:


I still believe I made some good points, regardless of my age or status. But, it's perfectly fine if you don't think so. I also see some good points you have made as well.

I just tried to say a few words of advice about the situation in the country.

Thank you for your time and at least reading what I wrote. Have a good day.

Neymar1095:
People have been traveling since 1800 to America, UK and Europe from Nigeria... I wonder why impoverished idiots will be announcing they want to japa, no one gives a shit, people travel everyday fool. People travel out and back everyday, but a poor desperate idiot will start abusing his country because he is traveling.

nihilistjnr:


It makes a lot of sense because you're clearly not qualified to be discussing a japa message

Your parents who are clearly people of means have realised that their child is better off in a different country. Your parents....not you.

You're not a decision maker. You're not even 18 years old yet.

You just got to Canada. You don't have anything to offer. You've never held employment. You've never had to work for a living or even look for work. You're not a skilled professional who is wasting away in that shithole of a country.

That's why I brought that screenshot, because it provides the context for what I'm about to say next.

The abroad based people who have contributed to this conversation are highly qualified professionals, parents, home owners etc. In real life, we would be having this conversation with your mum and dad not with you.

I was at your exact stage in 2006. I am 35 years old now, a husband, a father, a british citizen, a multiple landlord, and can pay your schoolfees comfortably. Infact, i still sponsored my wife's masters degree 2 years ago. Im currently running my own MBA right now. This isn't to brag, but to make a point about thr opportunity the UK has given me personally.

So when I know what is possible, and I'm advising people to do thr needful, I'm not speaking from a theoretical standpoint, asking stupid questions like what happens to the people left behind - You that went to Canada this year, did you pack your whole family in your suitcase?

I'm talking to people who recognise life as an individual race, and are tired of a useless hopeless country holding back their destiny. Those are the people that I'm telling to come over here, to US, to Canada, Germany, etc, because I KNOW I made it, and so they can too.

So when a dissenting voice starts talking about Ekaete abd Abdul or whatever rubbish you were saying, it's very important to post screenshot that shed a little light on the person behind that voice, contextualising it as the voice of a 17 year old child who has no real idea about life.

You're not qualified to enter this discussion bro. Not even in the slightest.