andrewbaba44:
The way Brazillians respect Messi and want him to win the World Cup despite being rivals ,mehn it’s so lovely and appreciative

Phraser:
Ibime,

Also, speaking of influence/legacy, how many of Pele's goals are instantly recognizable in popular culture? People know Messi's run against Getafe and Athletic Bilbao, his header against United and the out-of-the-box goal he scored against them in '11, his freekick goal against Liverpool, his solo run against Real Madrid on receiving a pass in the midfield from Busquets. And now I think the long-range shot he scored against Mexico in this World Cup and the assist he provided in the Netherlands game will enjoy that pop culture status.

So popular are these goals that they have become memes. Which of Pele's goals is in the popular imagination like any of the ones cited above? At least Maradona has the Hand of God goal and the famous run against England.

forgiveness:


U dey mind the dude? He is ignorant.

hensben:
Overall, messi is the greatest player to ever play this game. Pele only shone in one wc.

Ibime:


He is typing ignorance with confidence

Almajirihunter:


So where are we now

raumdeuter:
Hensben you wanted my opinion

See below

https://www.nairaland.com/430183/calling-lionel-messi-greatest-player/1#5892903

Ibime:



Even if you are deliberately lazy, the 1970 World Cup is available in colour and on all media platforms

You are being deliberately foolish claiming a player with 3 World Cups, 12 non penalty goals, 10 assists in 14 games has no argument against a player with 8 non penalty goals and 8 assists in 25 games

Deliberately foolish claiming a player with 7 Balon d'Ors without playing Europe has no claim against a player with 7 Balon d'Ors in Europe

Deliberately foolish claiming a player with 750 non penalty goals in just 812 games despite playing midfield half his career has no claim against a forward with 682 non penalty goals in 1002 gamesa guy with 7 World Cup semifinal and final non-penalty goals has no claim against someoneinst Pele

Bluelines69:
Omo

Ibime:


None of these Indomie generation have brought good argument against Pele

Pele has one weakness you can use to argue against him, but nobody has mentioned it, because none of them are grounded

Ibime:


He got one statistical weakness Pessimists can use against him, and that lies in Brazilian State Championship structure

Bluelines69:
Omo

forgiveness:


What gibberish! The bolded found you out already. It is laden with prejudice.

So, there's no Pele's clips online to watch on your phone, abi? Keep lying through your teeth.

Some people can lie, sha.

popizaino:



What is gibberish in this?

Ballzproblem2:
everybody loves Messi ,Suarez , neymar, celebration for him are all genuine no faking,these guys know about the rivalry stuff going on forget they are keeping mum , Messi has assisted these players without grudge ,no how you will play around Messi you no chop assist tire ,I never see a player so selfless,that's why they're all Happy for him

Ibime:


Pele was already retired for 2 years before he went to New York. Europe doesn't come into play. He retired in Brazil and chilled for 2 years until New York threw money in his face

Bluelines69:
Omo

andrewbaba44:
Ronaldo fans

andrewbaba44:


When the Netherlands equalized 2-2 the kind shout and vibration tension me ,even the game no tension me reach like that

That final come worst

Arizoner:
neymar is next in 2026. I see fifa rigging it in favor of brazil

forgiveness:


Who teĺl say na one game Pele take win wc?

Argentina is what? You want to make excuses for Messi, abi?

Won two ojoro best player wey Blatter FIFA confirmed it was a big mistake.

Ibime:


You can only talk of the ignorance of your generation

Peles goal in 1958 World Cup final is better than anything Messi ever did in World Cup, and if was done in final. Go and check it out. Peles header in 1970 final is an iconic goal they use to kick off all World Cup coverage. Peles banana freekick in World Cup, The man literally popularised the bicycle kick

No one is dragging popularity with Messi in this generation. After all 65% of the world's population is under 30 and only 10% over 65

Ask your elders who were iconic in their time . You never see them drag Pele with any other player like Messi did his whole career with Ronaldo until Emi Martinez gave him the final push. Pele was undisputed and totally dominant

Everybody that saw Pele is dead or in nursing home and he is still considered a GOAT. That's eternal GOAT shit.

raumdeuter:
Brazil had no National league during Peles career. At that time, they only played State Championships, and Pele only played in the Paulista Championship (Sao Paulo), where the only big teams are Santos, Gremio, Palmeiras, Corinthians and Sao Paulo. . . . the other 15 teams in the league being mostly semi-professional teams and bunch of amateurs. . . . no wonder Pele dey score 1000 goals. . . . NONSENSE!

Ibukzy:
No football player had ever won FIVE man-of-the-match awards in a single World Cup campaign before. Not Pele, not Maradona.

Messi won FIVE at the age of 35 years in the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar. Who can question his greatness?

Ibime:


This is the clue I gave you Pessimist generation to use against Pele yesterday but none of you are grounded in football to make legitimate arguments

Phraser:


"Of your generation."

Condescension and ageism are not valid arguments, man.

So it is because of this generation's ignorance that there is no Pele goal that is instantly recognizable in modern-day pop culture or that is as ubiquitous as Maradona's solo run against England or Messi's solo run against Getafe?

You don't even know how to argue. You keep shifting the goal post and cannot maintain a syllogistic thought. First you said you were talking about greatness (which really is legacy/popularity) and not who the better player is, and then I talked about how Messi has more instantly recognizable goals in pop culture, and now you are contradicting yourself by saying that Pele's goal in the 1958 final is "better" than anything Messi scored in the World Cup (I thought we were talking about greatness, not who is better or has scored the better goals?)

Please read philosophy and learn logic. You clearly have a problem with maintaining a line of reasoning.

Phraser:
Ibime,

Also, speaking of influence/legacy, how many of Pele's goals are instantly recognizable in popular culture? People know Messi's run against Getafe and Athletic Bilbao, his header against United and the out-of-the-box goal he scored against them in '11, his freekick goal against Liverpool, his solo run against Real Madrid on receiving a pass in the midfield from Busquets. And now I think the long-range shot he scored against Mexico in this World Cup and the assist he provided in the Netherlands game will enjoy that pop culture status.

So popular are these goals that they have become memes. Which of Pele's goals is in the popular imagination like any of the ones cited above? At least Maradona has the Hand of God goal and the famous run against England.

Ibukzy:
Vitinha is Portuguese

A40:
Remind me how many goals and assists Modric provided.

And don't tell me he's a midfielder. Wesley Sneijder scored 5 goals from midfield, Lothar Matthaus scored 4 as a libero

Arizoner:
if pele had played today, he will be far far ahead of messi. Becos the kind of talent pele has, messi doesn't have it. He was blessed with arrays of skills. Pele was literally the jack of all trade on the pitch of play.