snakova: ashley cole is 32. u dont expect him to run the lines like a 21 year old alaba. defensively, u cant compare the two. it wud b lyk ccmparing r. carlos n maldini. so it now depends on the manager: if u lyk sexy fast free flowing attacking football u go with alaba; if u want a disciplined defensive display, u go with cole. trty to educate urself a lil more.

snakova: ashley cole is 32. u dont expect him to run the lines like a 21 year old alaba. defensively, u cant compare the two. it wud b lyk ccmparing r. carlos n maldini. so it now depends on the manager: if u lyk sexy fast free flowing attacking football u go with alaba; if u want a disciplined defensive display, u go with cole. trty to educate urself a lil more.

nateevs: Stoopid argument haf start again.


The better player is one who excels at his primary responsibility, consistently. That, my friend, is Ashley Cole. All this 'Alaba assist this' 'Alaba assist that' is subjective argument and devoid of stern analysis. When the chips are down, Ribery is not playing on the flank and Alaba has to defend against Robben, this is when you know where Alaba's balls sit.

nateevs:
It's a tactical advantage for a team when a full back joins the attack, it however stoopid when we begin to overrate the extent of player's primary responsibility on the back of flashes of decent auxiliary contribution.

nateevs:
Alaba will remain to me like Jordi Alba; at least until he plays in a team where his back is pushed against the wall and

nateevs:
still manages to fend off the likes of Robben, Ronaldo, whilst contributing fairly in attack.

Ibime:

Hazard/Robben is up in the air for who takes the right wing, but Mata cannot take shirt from Gotze, Kroos or Muller in this life or the next.

Ibime:
These guys are midfielders (especially Kroos and Gotze) in every sense of the word who bring big stadiums to their knees eg Nou Camp and Bernabeu and make proven performers like Alonso and Khedira look like babies in the biggest games.

Ibime:
You can't compare a true midfielder to a forward (Mata) who depends on his midfield to perform before he can come into the game. Mata has to go to the wing to fight for spot with Robben cos no space for him in Bayern middle. Not even close!!

GustavoFring: I have seen nothing to suggest that Alaba lacks defensive discipline

Alaba isn't distance away from the Jordi Alba, Marcelo, Dani Alves etc clique - the gung-ho ninjas, the only naunce is that he turns out to be more solid than the other folks. So literally, he isnt too a bad defender.

Well, that assertion could still be a fuzzy one, i mean u need to watch that super cup match again and put down a detailed analysis of how he fared against Schurrle who was played out of position.

Moreova, we've not got all our eyes on the bundesliga to tell how his match-day performances are.

A date with Sidney Sam this weekend should just be it, even though the Leverkusen hitman isnt a top class winger.

GustavoFring:

I have seen nothing to suggest that Alaba lacks defensive discipline

Ibime: Cole is a great, lets not detract from anyone but mehn, if Cole was Magic Johnson to ninjas in his prime, then Alaba is Michael Jordan.

Andre Uweh: Am so glad that it's only Dayokalu who believes that David is better than Ashley.

dayokanu:

Obviously you havent been paying attention

Jackbauer aka GustavoFring also think so

And its common knowledge that Chelsea fans are not the brightest save for a few like Ibime and Jackbauer. It was on this same thread someone told me Joke Cole is better than Schweinsteiger

dayokanu:

Obviously you havent been paying attention

Jackbauer aka GustavoFring also think so

And its common knowledge that Chelsea fans are not the brightest save for a few like Ibime and Jackbauer. It was on this same thread someone told me Joke Cole is better than Schweinsteiger

Andre Uweh:
Not only Chelsea fans thinks Ashley is better, Mr Katsumoto etc are not Chelsea fans but have told you the truth.
Anyway, David may be better in future, but at the moment, ashị, irọ ni.

dayokanu:
Cashley Cole making a last ditch tackle like Robert Huth as usual. Sensible defenders dont have to make last ditch lounging tackles when they can easily snuff out danger from miles away

The gif he showed reveals to us Alaba rapping Chelsea defence as usual while they are left with making Stoke City type of desperate defending

El Guapo: ^^ Well, i recall pointing out the Super Cup game as a match Alaba couldnt hold his own.

He was totally in no man's land both Upfield and at the back

coogar:


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coogar:

and yet blind bats like ibime & jackbauer would be rating nonsense based on the very weak german league. if chelsea were a bundesliga side, the table at the end of the season would read...
P34 W32 D1 L1 GF100 GA12 PTS97.

Lmao

Coogar u na werey o - that loss would probably be in Signal Iduna and not Allianz Arena.

Truth to be told and not been subjective, the EPL dusts the bundesliga away - this isnt about head to head meetings but the quality teams in both leagues possess.

El Guapo:
Lmao

Coogar u know na werey o - that loss would probably be in Signal Idmund and not Allianz Arena.

Truth to be told and not been subjective, the EPL dusts the bundesliga away - this isnt about head to head meetings but the quality teams in both leagues possess.

coogar:




this was the top performer's chart @ the supercup....ashley cole came tops whilst alaba was nowhere to be found.

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who the fück is david alaba? alaba ko, okokomaiko ni.

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based on what happened on the night of the supercup, only ribery, boateng & martinez would get into the chelsea side.

coogar:

you are a complete idïot....
can you not see cole had to leave his left back role to clean up for david luiz's error? why should ashley cole be making a last ditch tackle his right back should be making when he's primarily a left-back? sometimes, it seems mexican rice has eroded the intelligence quotient left in your system.





how did alaba räpe chelsea defence when bayern were the team to score the equaliser in the dying seconds of the extra time to take it to a shootout? if bayern räped chelsea defence then what chelsea did do to bayern defence with 10 players should be reported to the UN headquarters as a war crime....

only a complete lunatic would compare cole to alaba. it's like comparing kroos to kaka. then this plank went on saying alaba bossed games against arsenal, chelsea & madrid. duh, those matches ended in a draw. how did alaba boss games when he conceded 3 goals against madrid, 2 against chelsea & 3 goals against a lightweight arsenal side??

this was alaba getting räped by schurrle...the cross that led to torres scoring came from alaba's department. none of the goals bayern scored can be blamed on ashley cole.



this was the top performer's chart @ the supercup....ashley cole came tops whilst alaba was nowhere to be found.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1280322_chelsea_jpgbf776690fb30bf1f0f36b793cd478804

who the fück is david alaba? alaba ko, okokomaiko ni.

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based on what happened on the night of the supercup, only ribery, boateng & martinez would get into the chelsea side.

GustavoFring:
The stats only tell one side of the story. Remember that our tactics on the night were to soak up the pressure and counter. As such Cole's primary duty was to defend -and we all saw no meaningful forward play from him on the night. Relieved of any attacking responsibility, he was free to mark Robben all night which he did extremely well.

Alaba on the other hand was constantly bombing forward, and as such opening up for the counter.

In my opinion, Your stats up there show a triumph of tactics and do not necessarily show who was/is the better player.

Wenger’s Invincibles? Overrated. Check the records, they lost to Middlesbrough, Chelsea and Manchester United that season.

Mourinho bringing the title to Chelsea for the first time in 50 years back in 2005? So what. With the money he had available he should have dominated the Premier League AND the Champions League with Chelsea, but he didn’t.

But Liverpool winning the Champions League in 2005? Now that is what I call a seriously brilliant achievement, and, for me, that is what makes Rafa Benitez the best foreign coach ever to have worked in England.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2439903/Arsenals-Invincibles-Chelsea-overrated-Rafa-Benitez-best-foreign-coach-weve--ADRIAN-DURHAM.html#ixzz2gkeBK4YH

coogar:

any left back's primary duty is to defend. other things are secondary. cole played to his manager's instructions and he kept his side of the pitch neat & tidy. cole destroyed arjen robben on the night & robben hardly had a sniff.



this is known as positional indiscipline - schurrle was made to look like ronaldo & this was because alaba was grossly irresponsible in keeping things tight on his side of the pitch. the amount of space schurrle had to deliver the cross leading to torres' goal clearly shows alaba is not reliable. he's a passenger in the bayern team.



triumph of tactics? hahahaha.
the player ashley cole was tasked to mark scored 6.9. the player(rookie) alaba was tasked to mark scored 8.7 - that alone tells me schurrle had a field day against alaba whilst robben was anonymous against ashley cole.

cole >>>>> alaba.

coogar:

and yet blind bats like ibime & jackbauer would be rating nonsense based on the very weak german league. if chelsea were a bundesliga side, the table at the end of the season would read...

P34 W32 D1 L1 GF100 GA12 PTS97.

similarly, bring alaba to the premier league & watch super fast wingers take him apart. even in the game against arsenal, kieran gibbs made alaba look like a pub team defender. like i have always said, germany don't do defenders - their strength is in the midfield & attack.


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GustavoFring:

Like I said, the difference on the day was Tactics and not down to players.

Possesion football in General requires the defenders to push up to fill the space vacated by the bunkering opposition- it is not uncommon to see the Center Backs around the Center circle when playing Possesion football.

Positional discipline only ever comes into play when a team is defending- Considering that Bayern was constantly on the attack, had a lot more of the ball, had us pinned down in our half for large periods of the game, and only conceded on fast breaks, I fail to see how Alaba exhibited poor positioning or indiscipline.

Unless you're telling me that he should have sat back when his team was trying to keep Possesion