A40:

Lool you can like to show us their starts and minutes played. You suppose to know say I no be newcomer for this game. It's not coincidence that Del Piero has the most goals off the subs bench in Azzuri history.

Also bear in mind that Totti is Italy's primary set piece kicker and so his assists numbers will always be inflated

Here you go.

Del Piero played 5,625 minutes

F. Totti played 3,794 minutes.

Del Piero played a whopping 1.831 more minutes for the Azzurri than the Golden Boy yet the Golden Boy dwarfs him!!!! So what is your next excuse?

Roland17:


A lot of if's and but's. Totti suffered several injuries during his career, he even played world cup games injured and still performed. El Phenomenon suffered an injury that could have ended his career but guess what? He went ahead to become a bigger demon ost injury, racking up numerous individual and team achievements. Abeg make una no dey use another person weakness hold pesin down.

It is not matter of ifs and buts. Prime Del Piero led Juve to a Champions League title and 3 CL Finals. Winning highest goalscorer in the competition to boot.

And no Ronaldo did not become a bigger demon post injury. In fact bar the 2002 World Cup what other major tournament do you remember Ronaldo dominating?

Roland17:
Individual Honors

Del Piero:

UEFA Champions League Top Scorer 1997-1998

Serie A Top Scorer 2007-2008

2x Italian Footballer of the Year 1998, 2008


F. Totti:

European Golden Boot 2006-2007

Serie A Top Scorer 2006-2007

2x Serie A Footballer of the Year 2000, 2003

5x Italian Football of the Year 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007

Euro 2000 MOTM

Del Piero:

457 appearances; 198 goals for Juventus

91 appearances; 27 goals, 7 assists for Italia


F. Totti:

443 appearances; 192 goals for A.S. Roma

58 appearances; 9 goals, 23 assists for Italia

It is not even close when you dissect the numbers because Totti matched, doubled or tripled any record Del Piero has. So what are we even talking about here?

http://www.legaseriea.it/en

Now saying it was not even close is where you go overboard.
Totti lasted longer and was more versatile, and Del Piero had a better peak level.
I wouldn’t argue with either personally, but saying Del Piero was better and its not close or Totti was better and its not close is just untrue.

afrodoc2:


Now saying it was not even close is where you go overboard.
Totti lasted longer and was more versatile, and Del Piero had a better peak level.
I wouldn’t argue with either personally, but saying Del Piero was better and its not close or Totti was better and its not close is just untrue.

Doc, I have not implied that they can not be compared in terms of quality, after all, that is the purpose of this argument. I was speaking about the individual honors posted. Honestly, I don't think it is fair to make this argument by limiting Totti's playing span because Del Piero could not stay healthy. It just uses the weakness of one player to balance/ even out an argument for his cause. More importantly, it makes it seem like Totti never suffered serious career-ending injuries.

A40:



Also bear in mind that Totti is Italy's primary set piece kicker and so his assists numbers will always be inflated

Roland17:


Here you go.

Del Piero played 5,625 minutes

F. Totti played 3,794 minutes.

Del Piero played a whopping 1.831 more minutes for the Azzurri than the Golden Boy yet the Golden Boy dwarfs him!!!! So what is your next excuse?

Did you miss that part?

And the fact that it was post injury Del Piero for majority of those international appearances. 66 of his 91 appearances came after that serious injury

A40:


Did you miss that part?

And the fact that it was post injury Del Piero for majority of those international appearances. 66 of his 91 appearances came after that serious injury

66 of 91 is 2/3 of his entire appearances. Totti can make a similar argument when you consider he played lesser minutes and was also suffered injuries intermittently. I don't buy this injury argument you guys are coming with.

Roland17:
Individual Honors

Del Piero:

UEFA Champions League Top Scorer 1997-1998

Serie A Top Scorer 2007-2008

2x Italian Footballer of the Year 1998, 2008


F. Totti:

European Golden Boot 2006-2007

Serie A Top Scorer 2006-2007

2x Serie A Footballer of the Year 2000, 2003

5x Italian Football of the Year 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007

Euro 2000 MOTM

Del Piero:

457 appearances; 198 goals for Juventus

91 appearances; 27 goals, 7 assists for Italia


F. Totti:

443 appearances; 192 goals for A.S. Roma

58 appearances; 9 goals, 23 assists for Italia

It is not even close when you dissect the numbers because Totti matched, doubled or tripled any record Del Piero has. So what are we even talking about here?

http://www.legaseriea.it/en

71 of those goals came from the penalty spot!!! That's over 36%

Del Piero's achievement in elite Europe also significantly dwarfs that of Totti so it's rather convenient that you leave that one out

diggz:


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A40:
71 of those goals came from the penalty spot!!! That's over 36%

Del Piero's achievement in elite Europe also significantly dwarfs that of Totti so it's rather convenient that you leave that one out

Baba, first it was the assists were corner kicks and set pieces, now it is 71 of those goals came from PK like Del Piero did not score PKs? Is it Totti's fault that he was skilled in taking these kicks in comparison to Del Piero? But you are quick to mention Del Piero converted his spot-kick but the same can not be argued for Totti? I am not buying all these subjective excuses that can not be also made for the Golden Boy.

SkimpleD:

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Roland17:


66 of 91 is 2/3 of his entire appearances. Totti can make a similar argument when you consider he played lesser minutes and was also suffered injuries intermittently. I don't buy this injury argument you guys are coming with.

No he actually can't. I want you to show me a season where Totti suffered an injury that kept him out from November till the next season before 2006.

I'm saying anything you got out of Del Piero after 98 was jara. So for over 66% of his NT career what you were seeing wasn't really prime Del Piero

Don't compare to Totti who retired after the 2006 World Cup

Roland17:


Baba, first it was the assists were corner kicks and set pieces, now it is 71 of those goals came from PK like Del Piero did not score PKs? Is it Totti's fault that he was skilled in taking these kicks in comparison to Del Piero? But you are quick to mention Del Piero converted his spot-kick but the same can not be argued for Totti? I am not buying all these subjective excuses that can not be also made for the Golden Boy.

But I am stating nothing but facts here. 36% of Totti's goals came from the spot.

Del Piero was an equally skilled penalty and free kick specialist as well but the gulf between the difficulty of scoring from a penalty and a free kick is quite significant.

The question is in elite Europe why does Totti have absolutely nothing to show at any level. Whether CL, Europa League even Intertoto Cup. And don't tell me it's because he stayed in Roma because nobody send am message

A40:
No he actually can't. I want you to show me a season where Totti suffered an injury that kept him out from November till the next season before 2006.

I'm saying anything you got out of Del Piero after 98 was jara. So for over 66% of his NT career what you were seeing wasn't really prime Del Piero

Don't compare to Totti who retired after the 2006 World Cup

All these subjective variables just to favor Del Piero is only making my case. Totti’s injury history shows he was out at different stages in his career and had numerous surgeries so I will not allow you guys define the narrative of this argument based on Del Piero’s injury woes.

07/08 Totti was out for 112

chic2pimp:


No excuses I admit but still Him playing in a more advanced role partly contributed to that.

In Korea Japan, eventhough they were both pants, Guess who had the better tourney? Yup you guessed right Totti did

In 2004, As per usual, Alex disappers yet again after being given the task of leading the team in the absence of Totti. Fiore and Pirlo(sign of things to come) were our best players.

In 2006, whether nah Set pieces abi nah party tricks, a half fit Totti was the better player of the two. As i said earlier as far as the Azzuris are concerned, Totti shone brighter. It's not even up for debate.

How did Totti have the better tourney in Korea Japan? Is it not the same Totti that was huffing and puffing on the pitch till Del Piero came off the bench to save them from disgrace?

How did Alex disappear? He provided the match winner in their only game they won while Totti was spitting on people like a pregnant woman after their opening match.

In 06 Totti went to the WC and padded stats against World Cup debutants like Ghana, Ukraine and Czech Republic. Scored a dodgy penalty vs another footballing giant like Australia and that's shining. Okrrrrrrr

A40:
But I am stating nothing but facts here. 36% of Totti's goals came from the spot.

Del Piero was an equally skilled penalty and free kick specialist as well but the gulf between the difficulty of scoring from a penalty and a free kick is quite significant.

The question is in elite Europe why does Totti have absolutely nothing to show at any level. Whether CL, Europa League even Intertoto Cup. And don't tell me it's because he stayed in Roma because nobody send am message

Fa fa fa! Foul!!! Let us debate about their respective records in the Serie A and the Italian National Teams. I have posted their respective records and individual honors up there. When Totti won the golden boot in the Serie A, he also won the Euro golden boot in the process unlike Del Piero. What was the highest number of goal Del Piero scored in a Serie A season in comparison to Del Piero?

It is not Del Piero’s fault that Totti chose to remain with Roma despite offers from the best clubs in the world. So why should Totti be burdened with the fact that Del Piero could not stay healthy? Totti dragged a lowly Roma to 9 2nd place finishes in the Serie A, just think about that.

Roland17:


All these subjective variables just to favor Del Piero is only making my case. Totti’s injury history shows he was out at different stages in his career and had numerous surgeries so I will not allow you guys define the narrative of this argument based on Del Piero’s injury woes.

07/08 Totti was out for 112

When you win back to back league titles (in what was universally acknowledged as the best league in Europe at the time), win the CL Golden Boot, get to back to back to back CL Finals as the star man of your team and then suffer a devastating injury in your prime then I think the What if scenario is very valid.

You still didn't show me the season before that 2006 that Totti suffered any severe injury that would suggest he was a shadow of himself for the most part of his International team career

A40:
When you win back to back league titles (in what was universally acknowledged as the best league in Europe at the time), win the CL Golden Boot, get to back to back to back CL Finals as the star man of your team and then suffer a devastating injury in your prime then I think the What if scenario is very valid.

You still didn't show me the season before that 2006 that Totti suffered any severe injury that would suggest he was a shadow of himself for the most part of his International team career

Del Piero did not stop playing g football in 2006 did he?

Roland17:


Fa fa fa! Foul!!! Let us debate about their respective records in the Serie A and the Italian National Teams. I have posted their respective records and individual honors up there. When Totti won the golden boot in the Serie A, he also won the Euro golden boot in the process unlike Del Piero. What was the highest number of goal Del Piero scored in a Serie A season in comparison to Del Piero?

Lewwwl why will I debate about the Serie A and Italian NT record alone? Is that the only competition they played?

Golden Boot is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It only proves that among all the leagues you scored the most goals. You cannot definitely compare to winning the Champions League Golden Boot.

Del Piero scored at least 10 goals for 17 Serie A seasons. That is more relevant than one hot season.

Let's not even go to Europe because I know shame for Totti will not let you ageee

raumdeuter:


DelPiero and Ronaldo were the young future of football in the late 90s

I still remember DelPiero vs Ajax in 1996 final. He was unreal

E no go better for injury.

Roland17:
It is not Del Piero’s fault that Totti chose to remain with Roma despite offers from the best clubs in the world. So why should Totti be burdened with the fact that Del Piero could not stay healthy? Totti dragged a lowly Roma to 9 2nd place finishes in the Serie A, just think about that.

That's his wahala. The important thing is even with the injury history Del Piero outscored Totti in every competition aside the Serie A.

It's nobody's fault that Totti could not make any impact in Europe and lead Roma to even an Intertoto Cup.

Roland17:


Del Piero did not stop playing g football in 2006 did he?

Ahn ahn why is it so hard for you to show me a severe injury Totti suffered while entering his prime like Del Piero did. You even mentioned Ronaldo but you left out the fact that even he was never quite the same after.

Kimbeast:

How can you call totti overrated........ seriously. That Totti is even mentioned in the same sentence as Del Piero despite the disparity in team quality is a testament to how good Totti really was.

It is easier to shine when you're the big fish in a small pond. Who knows what Fabregas's career would look like had he never left Arsenal.

You mention team quality but it is players like Del Piero that provided that quality. It's not coincidental that his peak saw Juve as the strongest team in Elite Europe

Kimbeast:

Totti was never able to replicate his form with Roma with Italy. To be fair Del Piero struggled in that respect too (although he scored much more goals - 27 in 97 games).

Totti was good at Euro 2000 and at World Cup 2006. Didn't do a lot inbetween, but an important role in reaching the final of one tournament and winning another isn't a bad international record.

Even the peak of Totti's achievement for the Azzuri this was his opposition

USA
Ukraine
Ghana
Czech Republic
Australia

3 debutants, and another team that had been absent for 32 years. His production came vs those teams

Kimbeast:

Both were amazing players and the difference between them is very slim, but I have to go for Totti.
In both their primes, Del Piero was probably a bit better. However, after his injury in the late 90's, Del Piero was never quite the same player.
Totti is superior due to the fact that he's overall a better player and he's more of an asset to a team. He was far more versatile and could play as a striker, second striker, attacking midfielder, and he was world class in all the positions he played in. Totti was also a much better passer and physically stronger.
Del Piero has won more titles, but he has also played with a far better team.

I have seen enough from Del Piero's prime and even when he was not at his prime he was still able to make important contributions to his team's success.

For me there is nothing Totti is doing that Del Piero cannot do if required. Del Piero can play all 3 positions you listed above, was an absolute sniper from free kick range and the much better dribbler.
When he was asked to create he led the league in assists

The Del Piero winning more titles can only be a negative if he was a passenger for those titles but he absolutely was not so that argument is DOA

A40:
It is easier to shine when you're the big fish in a small pond. Who knows what Fabregas's career would look like had he never left Arsenal.

You mention team quality but it is players like Del Piero that provided that quality. It's not coincidental that his peak saw Juve as the strongest team in Elite Europe

Over the course of the respective careers Totti is the better player, there's really no argument otherwise worth even considering
Del Piero in his best season though(97/98) was better than Totti at any point in his career. Though having said that, Del Piero was most likely Doped up to his eyeballs that season.

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A40:
Ahn ahn why is it so hard for you to show me a severe injury Totti suffered while entering his prime like Del Piero did. You even mentioned Ronaldo but you left out the fact that even he was never quite the same after.

Because you chose to exclude the World Cup, Confederation Cup, FIFA player of the year, Balon D’Or and La Liga titles he won win Real. Ronaldo suffered the horrific injury in 1999 in a game against Lecce but some how rehabbed and continued with his greatness post 1999, so what is Del Piero’s own excuse?

A40:
That's his wahala. The important thing is even with the injury history Del Piero outscored Totti in every competition aside the Serie A.

It's nobody's fault that Totti could not make any impact in Europe and lead Roma to even an Intertoto Cup.

Conversely, I will make the argument that Totti played for a team that competed against teams with higher transfer budgets and recruited the best legs in comparison to Roma. Totti competed against financial giants like Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan. Roma’s financial clout was not comparable to these teams yet he achieved these records.
If roles were switched and Del Piero player for Roma throughout his career and Totti played for Juventus, would Del Piero achieve 2/10 of what Totti achieved with Roma?

A40:
That's his wahala. The important thing is even with the injury history Del Piero outscored Totti in every competition aside the Serie A.

It's nobody's fault that Totti could not make any impact in Europe and lead Roma to even an Intertoto Cup.

Bar the Serie A you said? How about individual records playing for Italy? You only want to mention goals abi? How about assist records between both players where Del Piero’s numbers dwarf Totti’s despite Del Piero having more appearances and minutes played? You want to avoid that one abi? How about Italian player of the year which Totti won 5 times in comparison to Del Piero’s 2. so what is Del Piero’s excuse this time?

Roland17:


Conversely, I will make the argument that Totti played for a team that competed against teams with higher transfer budgets and recruited the best legs in comparison to Roma. Totti competed against financial giants like Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan. Roma’s financial clout was not comparable to these teams yet he achieved these records.
If roles were switched and Del Piero player for Roma throughout his career and Totti played for Juventus, would Del Piero achieve 2/10 of what Totti achieved with Roma?

I can also make argument that Wenger competed against teams with higher transfer budgets and recruited the best legs in comparison to Wenger. Arsenal didn't have any financial clout compared to United, City and Chelsea so Wenger must be the best coach known to man

If roles are reversed I'm sure Del Piero will win more than 3 major titles in 22 years. What we are unsure of though is if Totti who was a local champion at Roma would be able to perform at Juve where the standards and expectations are much higher

Kimbeast:


Over the course of the respective careers Totti is the better player, there's really no argument otherwise worth even considering
Del Piero in his best season though(97/98) was better than Totti at any point in his career. Though having said that, Del Piero was most likely Doped up to his eyeballs that season.

His goals and all-round performances against elite Europe opposition does not agree with this claim.

No credible source has found or indicted Del Piero for any type of dope use so it's better you return that claim to where you found it because it's completely disrespectful to allege a man cheated without verifiable evidence. I'm sure if you were an athlete you will not take kindly to such claims

Roland17:


Because you chose to exclude the World Cup, Confederation Cup, FIFA player of the year, Balon D’Or and La Liga titles he won win Real. Ronaldo suffered the horrific injury in 1999 in a game against Lecce but some how rehabbed and continued with his greatness post 1999, so what is Del Piero’s own excuse?

You can win an award and still not be the same player. Because I know you can't tell me with a straight face that Ronaldo of 96/98 is comparable to what we saw afterwards.

The individual awards Ronaldo won was all in one season. He had a great World Cup but if it were now we both know he might not have even won the Balon D'or

5 years at Real. 1 La Liga title, 1 Pichichi, and Intercontinental Cup. How is that one continuation of greatness?