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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:44am On Jul 18, 2020
Eurosport joins in Hailing Benzema, Who did "Nothing special" the "bag of beans" but somehow like Perez forgot the entire defence

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/karim-benzema-the-new-king-of-real-madrid_sto7808353/story.shtml

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 9:54am On Jul 18, 2020
This is the useless attack Benzema had to carry

He is not on the level of Messi he is not on the level of Ronaldo he is Benzema

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by adebayo201: 9:57am On Jul 18, 2020
Arguments that tend to slip to one side will only take forever to be settled.

No party will bend for one.

IMO, Karim Benzema has been sensational in the campaign.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by seankafor(m): 9:59am On Jul 18, 2020
adebayo201:
Arguments that tend to slip to one side will only take forever to be settled.

No party will bend for one.

IMO, Karim Benzema has been sensational in the campaign.
wait, are people saying he wasn't instrumental to real Madrid's la Liga title undecided

Reason I skip most posts here angry

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 9:59am On Jul 18, 2020
timbros:


The two defensive additions only tightened the defence. It only made them concede less. If not for the wicked front three, and the marauding full backs, do you think Liverpool will win the league?

And let's be realistic, will there be a way the defence will keep a clean sheet all season?

So we can come to the conclusion that a title contending side needs to have either a superb attack and a solid enough defence, or in Real's case, a good enough attack and a staunch defence.

They're all important: if the defence - Courtois and Ramos to be specific - hadn't been incredible, Benzema's goals would've been wasted. But if Benzema didn't impact as much as he did, the clean sheets wouldn't amount to much.

It then becomes a question of putting replacements in for the respective players, and guessing how they would fare, i.e would Areola and, say, Militao be able to do what Courtois and Ramos did, and would Jovic be able to do what Benzema did?

Then you measure their performances and contrast with what is expected of them as 'World class players'. For a world class striker, one could argue that Benzema's contributions wete very good but not exceptional. But Courtois and Ramos were exceptional, taking into account their status, which is Airmark's point.

But then again, Team's attack minus Benzema was average at best, which proves how invaluable he was to the team. Which is the point you and Raumdeuter are making.

Point is, I feel they're all MVPs cause if one hadn't played like he did, the contributions of the others may have been in vain. My own MVP sha is Zidane.

And this has got to be the longest piece I e'er wrote on NL, so I dedicate this milestone to Chelsea tomorrow, God no go shame us if we no shame ourselves.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 10:04am On Jul 18, 2020
BlueMann:


Then you measure their performances and contrast with what is expected of them as 'World class players'. For a world class striker, one could argue that Benzema's contributions wete very good but not exceptional. But Courtois and Ramos were exceptional, taking into account their status, which is Airmark's point.

29 goals plus assists with that useless attack is exceptional.
Why just Ramos and Cortouis? Why not Varane, Mendy and Carvajal

Basically like afrodoc said 5 people contributed to Madrids defence, ONLY Benzema did the attack by himself

Read this below and see what Benzema did

In fact, he has four more league goals than every other Madrid forward combined.
Vinicius Junior is the next-best striker with three goals, ahead of Gareth Bale, Lucas Vazquez, Luka Jovic, Marco Asensio and Rodrygo Goes with two each.
Eden Hazard, Isco, James Rodriguez and Mariano Diaz all can count just a single goal in LaLiga.

That means the ten most attacking players supplementing Benzema, 11 if you include the goalless Brahim Diaz, have 17 strikes between them - four fewer than the Frenchman.

Benzema 21 goals the other 11 attackers 17 goals Two of these attackers were 100M buys

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 10:15am On Jul 18, 2020
Ibime:


Why can't Jovic give a 21 goal season as starting striker with confidence on his side? He's come close before in lesser team.

I rate Areola, that's why I'm not just going to rubbish him completely. Goalkeeper position is also a match-rhythm and Confidence position

Can Militao or Nacho what Ramos gave?

I'm not rubbishing Jovic. But I'm basing my comments on what is on ground right now. Jovic has had a very slow start to his Madrid career. His confidence is below low now, there is no way he can give Madrid 21 goals this season.

Same way Nacho/Militao can't give what Ramos gave to the team.

If I were to rate the Madrid players contributions by percentage, I will give Benzema 45%, defence 30%, rest of the squad 25%.

My personal opinion sha.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 10:15am On Jul 18, 2020
raumdeuter:


29 goals plus assists with that useless attack is exceptional.
Why just Ramos and Cortouis? Why not Varane, Mendy and Carvajal

Basically like afrodoc said 5 people contributed to Madrids defence, ONLY Benzema did the attack by himself

Read this below and see what Benzema did



Benzema 21 goals the other 11 attackers 17 goals Two of these attackers were 100M buys

It’s a phucking disgrace. Please who were the 2 100m buys? I am asking for hensbrain.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 10:18am On Jul 18, 2020
afrodoc2:


It’s a phucking disgrace. Please who were the 2 100m buys? I am asking for hensbrain.

Trouble maker grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by macjireh: 10:26am On Jul 18, 2020
Is there any reward for argument? I wonder why grown adults will bring demselves so low to be arguing about issues that don't concern dem as though its a court case awaiting to be won...no amount of argument comes to a conclusion here,,,so I think we should resist d urge to argue... Its not a land case in court that u want to win..just leave every tom,dick and harry with their opinion,, no argument has any reward
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by biomustry: 10:36am On Jul 18, 2020
Expert17:


Let's wait for La Liga player of the season award, La Liga team of the season, Real Madrid best player award.

Maybe by then airmark will rest, cos he values that polling booth award so much. Benzema might win it grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by biomustry: 10:50am On Jul 18, 2020
FergieRaww:
For the Chelsea fans thinking they can cash in on us like some nursery school kids grin grin

The £100 mulla paid is enough .. No Marina masterclass bullsh#t on us
10 goals grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:00am On Jul 18, 2020
macjireh:
Is there any reward for argument? I wonder why grown adults will bring demselves so low to be arguing about issues that don't concern dem as though its a court case awaiting to be won...no amount of argument comes to a conclusion here,,,so I think we should resist d urge to argue... Its not a land case in court that u want to win..just leave every tom,dick and harry with their opinion,, no argument has any reward

Then what is the point of this thread?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 11:08am On Jul 18, 2020
I think most people are having a hard time understanding what i said. i admitted Benzema had a good season but saying he was the main reason Real won the league is doing a great disservice to guys like Casemiro and Courtois.

Obviously it's easier to make a case for an attacker than a DM and GK. But the reductive method of using goals and assists to rate some players over others even when they play different positions isn't going to cut it every time. There are intangibles even the most advanced ratings system can't measure. Even those measured are not accorded the corresponding weight.

IMO, Casemiro and Courtois offered more 'value' than Benzema this season. The same 21 goals Benzema scored this season was only good enough for 3rd place last year so what changed?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by macjireh: 11:19am On Jul 18, 2020
donjazet:


Then what is the point of this thread?
what is d point of bringing benzema,belotti and d likes that have no biz with Chelsea to D's thread? we have 3 games to play...we are not talking about d chances we have...rather its Real Madrid palaver we have on our necks
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by adebayo201: 11:21am On Jul 18, 2020
seankafor:
wait, are people saying he wasn't instrumental to real Madrid's la Liga title undecided

Reason I skip most posts here angry

I tell you.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Bville02(m): 11:21am On Jul 18, 2020
raumdeuter:


We can disrespect Ramos, Iniesta Busquets Boateng anyone but not Kante


You slipped in Boateng like we won't notice. Boateng deserves all the disrespect he's getting.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by adebayo201: 11:23am On Jul 18, 2020
afrodoc2:


It’s a phucking disgrace. Please who were the 2 100m buys? I am asking for hensbrain .

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:29am On Jul 18, 2020
timbros:


Man City 2017/18 that ended the league with 106 goals must have played Estonian league to be scoring 3 to 5 goals per game almost consistently.

And Man city conceded just 28 goals, the least in the league among all the teams. That threw away your point of conceding goals massively, from the 18th floor. Next?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 11:40am On Jul 18, 2020
macjireh:

DAT is ur consign na cheesy ...since 4/4 is sweet to u guys at d detriment of top4,,den go ahead

Oga, you are finishing below is no matter the story you want to cook up. Just watch and see.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 11:41am On Jul 18, 2020
You don't care about FA cup like say na you dey enter field tomorrow. wink

If Una win and you laugh I go swear for you. cheesy

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:56am On Jul 18, 2020
Typical white parenting.
E sure me say na so Ibime dey train him own. grin grin grin
The comments though grin Nigerians dey crase finally grin grin
https://mobile.twitter.com/crazeclown/status/1284354318045413376

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:09pm On Jul 18, 2020
timbros:


Benzema didn't score in those matches, yes. But Madrid scored that is why they won those matches. Stop making it look like it was all defence that delivered the league.

You only need to look at Madrid's top scorers to know the importance of Benzema this season. With 21 goals, the next best scorer is a defender with 10 goals (a large chunk being PK).... Doesn't that tell you that Madrid's attack is shit if not for Benzema?



Chelsea didn't outscore their opponents, simple.



2009/10 Chelsea must have played Burundi or Rwanda league when we were scoring 6 to 8 goals for fun...

grin

2009-2010, Chelsea were the 2nd team that conceded least, so your point didn't stand.

Last season Benzema scored 21 goals and Madrid finished 3rd by scoring 63 goals and conceded 43. This season Benzema scored the same 21 goals but Madrid scored 68 and conceded jjust 23 and won the league. If you know how to analyse data, you will stop this Benzema nonsense and look at the main players that delivered the silverware, defending the goals from entering.

I didn't want to use any data, because i watched most of their league matches and know Courtois and Ramos were more consistent than the Algerian bag of beans. cool

Below is another confirmation that banging in massive goals alone is not enough. 2013/2014 Laliga table. grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:21pm On Jul 18, 2020
BlueMann:


Then you measure their performances and contrast with what is expected of them as 'World class players'. For a world class striker, one could argue that Benzema's contributions wete very good but not exceptional. But Courtois and Ramos were exceptional, taking into account their status, which is Airmark's point.


That's the point o. cool
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 12:26pm On Jul 18, 2020
This thread sha cheesy

From Van Dijk Terry and Vidic to Boateng to Lampard to Drogba to Jorginho and now Benzema

Abeg let's focus on tomorrow's game o, United cannot coman beat us for the fourth time in one season.

Biggest headache is who starts at DM, or whether we should just change entirely to a back three.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 12:36pm On Jul 18, 2020
airmark:


And Man city conceded just 28 goals, the least in the league among all the teams. That threw away your point of conceding goals massively, from the 18th floor. Next?

You mentioned Burundi, Rwanda, Estonia leagues in response to my initial comment of scoring bucket loads of goals to secure the league.

To counter that mockery, I referred you to two seasons two teams scored large quantities of goals to win the league.

Please tell me what Goal Against or Goal Difference has to do with this?

Didn't Man City and Chelsea scored goals for fun in those seasons? Was it is Rwanda, Estonia or Burundi leagues they scored those goals?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 12:46pm On Jul 18, 2020
For me, tomorrow's line up should be 4-2-3-1

.......Caballero/Kepa......

James Zouma Tomori Azpi

.... Kovacic Jorginho.....

...Willian Mount Pulisic...

............Giroud..............

I don't know the injury update for all the players. Is Tomori ready? What of Kovacic?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by macjireh: 12:49pm On Jul 18, 2020
odizeey:


Oga, you are finishing below is no matter the story you want to cook up. Just watch and see.
we are not finishing below
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:54pm On Jul 18, 2020
timbros:


You mentioned Burundi, Rwanda, Estonia leagues in response to my initial comment of scoring bucket loads of goals to secure the league.

To counter that mockery, I referred you to two seasons two teams scored large quantities of goals to win the league.

Please tell me what Goal Against or Goal Difference has to do with this?

Didn't Man City and Chelsea scored goals for fun in those seasons? Was it is Rwanda, Estonia or Burundi leagues they scored those goals?

Below is your post that i replied to, and it wasn't only about goals scored. Just 4 matches your team have conceded 32 goals. grin It can't happen in elite division in Europe.

I still await that year that a team conceded 60+ goals and still won the league. You have not yet proved it with any example, that a porous defence can win the league.

timbros:


You can win the league with a porous defence. All you need to do is outscore your opponents. 10-9, 5-4, 13-12, 8-7 etc... If you continue like this till season ends, you will secure maximum points.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 1:05pm On Jul 18, 2020
Ziyech cool

Barkley looks decent in training sessions. cheesy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR_uJU1CQYg
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by seankafor(m): 1:17pm On Jul 18, 2020
Make Una 2 enter ring naa..what you waiting for grin

Nice timing by the way grin cool

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 1:18pm On Jul 18, 2020
timbros:
For me, tomorrow's line up should be 4-2-3-1

.......Caballero/Kepa......

James Zouma Tomori Azpi

.... Kovacic Jorginho.....

...Willian Mount Pulisic...

............Giroud..............

I don't know the injury update for all the players. Is Tomori ready? What of Kovacic?

Tomori has been training, but I don't know if he'll be available. I think Kante is the only sure absentee

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