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Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by monerozi5590: 9:27pm On Jun 02, 2018 |
Miremoses1: Tuchel is better than him. What has Sarri won as a coach in his life? Nothing. Sarri and Poch are pretenders and jokers. Both of them don't have a good CV. Zero title. |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by Miremoses1(m): 9:40am On Jun 03, 2018 |
Happy Sunday all 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by Miremoses1(m): 9:43am On Jun 03, 2018 |
The six gifts Zidane has left for his successor Zinedine Zidane's legacy at Real Madrid isn't limited to the nine trophies he added to the cabinets of the Estadio Santiago Bernabeu, as he has also left behind him an excellent situation for his successor, whoever that may be. Here, we take a look at six gifts the Frenchman has laid down at the club. A dressing room that feels like a family At a club as large as Real Madrid, it's important for there to be unity in the dressing room and Zidane has made sure that there is. It was clear from the Champions League celebrations that there is a positive and family-like atmosphere in the squad, which is a major achievement on Zidane's part. As Sergio Ramos said before the final in Kiev, there are no egos there. Winning mentality By leading Los Blancos to trophy after trophy, Zidane leaves behind him a squad that now knows how to win. This winning feeling is hard to shake off, and the next coach should benefit from this winning mentality. A squad with 16 starters While Zidane may been exaggerating slightly when he claimed that any of his 24 first-team squad members could play to the required level, it is true that there are 16 players in the squad who could be considered starters. This is a luxury for whoever inherits this squad, as they'll feel they can rotate and overcome injuries and suspensions. Improved footballers There are a number of footballers who have developed significantly under Zidane, such as Casemiro, Lucas Vazquez, Marco Asensio and Keylor Navas. These players are all better now than they were when Zidane took over and this improvement should last, with the next coach able to make the most of it. Tactical flexibility Zidane has trained his squad to be able to play in a number of different formations and to play well in a number of different formations. From a BBC-led 4-3-3 to a standard to 4-4-2 to a 4-3-1-2 with Isco as a No.10, this team can shapeshift like few others. A Cristiano Ronaldo who is willing to rest Assuming Cristiano Ronaldo does stay at the Estadio Santiago Bernabeu, Zidane's heir will inherit a player who is much more willing to sit out matches than he was three years ago. The benefits of this have been clear to see, with the No.7 finishing recent seasons well. 2 Likes |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by MoR2(m): 3:07pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
monerozi5590:what had Pep and Zidane won in their lives previous to their triumphs with top teams. Sarri has coached top league football for four seasons, and has done pretty well. Tuchel you are shouting about hadn't won anything before his dortmund reign and infact him winning DFB-Pokal in 2016–17 had other factors to it and little to do with him. |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by monerozi5590: 5:16pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
MoR2: same case scenario. First season in a first division club both won trophies. Sarri and poch have been coaching for years in first division clubs both won zero trophies. Had it been Zidane and pep didn't win anything at their first time in a first division clubs they would have had it very difficult in their coaching career. At least Tuchel won something. He went to Pokal Finals back to back and he won the last one. What has Poch and Sarri won in their lives? Casemiro had a great game against Croatia today. |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by monerozi5590: 5:24pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
If i were Perez instead of hiring poch or Sarri i will go for Guti. Both Sarri and Poch have had their chances in top clubs but no trophies to show for. Let's give Guti his chance and let's see what he can do! |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by LosVikingos: 5:26pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
monerozi5590: Risk? Even though Zidane was a risk too, I wouldn't agree that we hire Guti |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by monerozi5590: 6:02pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
LosVikingos: I said Guti if only our options are Poch and Sarri I just don't want another Schuster and Pellegrini in my team again. That was how both managers were hyped that they play good football and all of that but couldn't take us beyond the round of 16 in the UCL. For 6 years i didn't enjoy the Champions League. I don't want to go back there again. Both were hired (Schuster and Pellegrini) not because they won trophies with their teams but because their team (Getafe and Malaga) play good and attacking football. |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by hopefulLandlord: 6:04pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
monerozi5590: Come on, you're calling a dog a bad name just to hang it Sarri and Poch were coaching teams where trophies are not expected, its simply a cherry on top. Ask any Tottenham fan and they'll say they're really happy with their coach and what he's achieved. Not everything has to be judged on trophies otherwise only one or 2 coaches are good in each league but we all know that's not the case I'm not saying we should go for Sarri or Poch but using their lack of trophies as something to rule them out with while using a mere DFB pokal win of Tuchel who had the second best team in Germany at the time is not fair on Poch and Sarri 3 Likes |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by monerozi5590: 6:12pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
monerozi5590: Pellegrini, we hired him from Villarreal and i wrote Malaga. My bad |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by MoR2(m): 6:14pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
monerozi5590:after how many years of coaching >>> Tuchel you are comparing Madrid to Napoli or Barca to Tottenham. Very few managers win as underdogs maybe we should be considering Monaco's coach jardim |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by monerozi5590: 6:23pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Napoli is a very big club in Seria A. He coach Napoli for three good seasons and he couldn't even win Copa Italia. A league where the almighty AC Milan and Inter Milan are not at their very best at the moment. Tottenham Hotspur have great players. Just look at the 2015 -2016 season. Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool were not at their best yet he threw it away to Leceister. Landlord walahi if you give me the Tottenham squad right now i will win the Fa Cup. Son, Dembele, Kane, Erickson, Ali, Dier With Wanyama, Lucas Maura and Lemela on the bench.I have got a good squad to challenge at all front. Landlord what about the Europa League?..I could believe it when a certain team from Belgium eliminated him from the Europa League. |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by monerozi5590: 6:28pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
MoR2: Napoli right now is a very big club in seria A. Tuchel won a cup in Germany where the almighty Bayern was part of the competition. Why didn't Sarri did it with Napoli? |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by hopefulLandlord: 6:49pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
monerozi5590: Napoli is big in serie A but not to the point of expecting trophies. Like I said, trophies are cherry on top for these teams and he did push Juve all the way last season and this season if I recall correctly. He finished 15/16 season in second place only bettered by Juve, he finished the next season 5 points behind Juve having sold his best player, Higuain, to Juve for €90M. he also won the league coach of the year that season. He ended the just concluded season at second place just 4 points off Juve. Now to your Copa Italia comment, guess who won the copa Italia for those three seasons Sarri spent at Napoli? Juventus who had all the advantages in terms of finance and even helped by the refs. Remove a Juventus and Sarri would've won 2 league titles and probably one Copa Italia in 3 years. winning these of course also meant a chance to win some supercups As for Poch not winning the FA cup, in FAcup competitions all it takes is one bad game, one unlucky match and you're out. you could underestimate the opponent and lose (Guardiola lost to Almighty Wigan) so its not a fair way to judge a coach. also Poch lost to Genk or something but you're refusing to see that he rested many of his starters in order to concentrate on finishing in UCL places in EPL. back then there was no automatic UCL qualification for UEL winners so most EPL teams didn't take it very seriously as it also doesn't pay much financially. I remember SAF saying he prefers finishing 4th in UCL group stage to finishing 3rd because he doesn't want to play on Thursdays in a competition that isn't financially rewarding Let me end this post by giving my opinion on which coach we should hire. I have NO idea, infact the only thing I want right now is for Zidane to make a Uturn by signing for us again and saying he's sorted his personal issues out faster than he thought. Any coach we hire would feel weird to me no matter how big a name he is 1 Like |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by Miremoses1(m): 8:38pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
Our soon-to-be right back just scored for spain |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by hopefulLandlord: 8:52pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
Miremoses1: Am I the only one here that finds Achraf okay as backup to Carvajal? |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by monerozi5590: 10:23pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: So the reason why EPL club don't concentrate on Europa League is because is not financially rewarding! Hmmmmm! A team eliminated Tottenham Hotspur and you are giving excuses for their failures. Atletico won a League that has Barcelona and Real Madrid two super rich clubs and here you are giving excuses why Sarri hasn't won even a spoon in a League that has Juventus and not so good Milan Teams. Dortmund won Pokal in a competition that has Bayern and here you are giving excuses why sarri or poch has not won a single trophy in their managerial career. Both can even do Reneiri that took Leicester to win the EPL even if it is a one of let's them do it. 1 Like |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by Upnepaa(m): 11:29pm On Jun 03, 2018 |
monerozi5590: I have been reading your comments about poch and Sarri and all i can say is that Your judgement is Shallow, one sided and laced with amazing ignorance of the game of football. Few coaches could have the ball and courage of coaching teams like Tottenham and Napoli and performed the way the guys are performing. U think say Coaching na easy job i laff in pellegrini. Don't you think their was a reason why poch was offered a whopping 5 years contract despite going trophyless seasons after seasons ![]() ![]() ![]() Trophies is not the Alpha and omega of every club if not, a top club like Arsenal would have sacked Arsene wenger long time ago.Even those in top clubs are going trophyless how much more of Inferior clubs like Tottenham and Napoli. Mourinho has gone trophyless in 3 out of his last 6 seasons, Guardiola went trophyless last season despite spending Millions to improve his squad. Instead of slaying them for not winning trophies why not Praise them for doing an extraordinary by unlocking the potentials of their respective inferior clubs. 2 Likes |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by hopefulLandlord: 5:01am On Jun 04, 2018 |
Upnepaa: Thank you! |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by hopefulLandlord: 5:12am On Jun 04, 2018 |
monerozi5590:Its a fact that prior to giving UEL winners automatic UCL spot EPL teams never really took it seriously especially if they have a good chance of getting UCL spot from their league. its not an excuse its an explanation You seem to have a personal issue with Sarri lol how do you mean "Not so good Milan teams"? what trophies did those Milan teams win when Sarri was coaching Napoli? so you're saying he should've won as an underdog and his not winning as an underdog makes him not good enough? What's your point exactly? So maybe we should hire Ranieri then? would you be satisfied with Ranieri? what about Capello? or maybe we should hire Avram Grant cuz he won the FA cup with minnows Portsmouth? maybe Roberto Martinez for his Wigan FA cup win? |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by monerozi5590: 5:47am On Jun 04, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Europa League ,FA cup , EPL they couldn't win and you are here telling me that you are explaining how they fail. How come Benitez won a trophy with Napoli? Maybe you will give me another explanation. |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by hopefulLandlord: 6:11am On Jun 04, 2018 |
monerozi5590: Would you be okay with Martinez? Avram Grant? why not? |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by Miremoses1(m): 7:27am On Jun 04, 2018 |
With zizou gone, James might not make a permanent switch to Bayern. 1 Like |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by usbcable(m): 10:34am On Jun 04, 2018 |
The honest truth is the coach coming has a big shoe to fill. Same way Barca fans refused to accept any other coach after Guardiola. Madridistas will complain about anyone brought in except he wins a Treble back to back. ![]() All.the guys mentioned above are good. Every league has only 3 trophies on the cards for its 18 - 20 clubs sides in the prime league. So not every coach will win a trophy. Winning a trophy comes with a lot of hard work, right tools (players), luck (officials and injuries) and resilience. It takes a lot of grace to have the mix available for you to win any trophy. Me oooo. Am just waiting for Papa Perez to announce anyone. We have seen them come and go. And we will see the next coach come and go too. Hala Madrid. 1 Like |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by usbcable(m): 10:36am On Jun 04, 2018 |
Miremoses1:The world cup will determine a lot. If he excels peren. Na to ship Ceballos back to Betis on loan or Liverpool go happen be that. |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by Ovie56(m): 11:39am On Jun 04, 2018 |
usbcable:if he wants to be a starter he will stay at Bayern in a 433 formation he cant bench any of the current midfielder and Vazquez Asencio isco Bale are all there to wrestle game time with him |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by Miremoses1(m): 12:53pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
Ovie56:new coach, new tactics. Another coach might opt to start James ahead of isco and asensio. |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by Ovie56(m): 12:59pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
Miremoses1:yea ahead of Bale Ronaldo sef.. If he know whats good for him he'll stay where he is |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by monerozi5590: 1:39pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
Upnepaa: You are the one who lacks knowledge here. How do you know a good coach. Is it by results or playing good football? Sarri Coach Napoli for three seasons without even a spoon. Benitez coach the same Napoli and won a trophy. Sarri was released by Napoli and he was quickly replaced by Anceloti because he is not that good. Poch is a joker. Give Simeone this same Tottenham team and watch him win titles. Mourinho took FC Porto and won the Champions League. I ask you this simple question. What has Poch and Sarri won in their lives to be considered a good coach? You made mention of Wenger. Was wenger not winning titles with Arsenal. Even at his lowest ebb he was winning the FA Cup..Don't put Wenger along side Poch and Sarri. Wenger no be their mate You equally made mention of inferior club. Present day Napoli is not by anyway an Inferior club You equally asked about Tottenham performances before Porch came. Tottenham had played in UCL before Poch came, infact i watched them defeated AC Milan in round of 16. Has Poch ever taken Tottenham beyond the round of 16 in the UCL? |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by Miremoses1(m): 4:00pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
usbcable:a new coach might be appointed this week. Poch might be released this week by Levy(almost impossible). Juventus board said allegri won't be leaving . Let's just wait and watch. I trust papa Perez to bring in someone capable. |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by Miremoses1(m): 4:12pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:we need a better and experience backup in the RB position. Adriozola will be coming in next season. Achraf will be leaving, probably on a long loan deal. 1 Like |
Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W8rld by Miremoses1(m): 5:37pm On Jun 04, 2018 |
Current reports claim that sporting Lisbon head coach ' Jorge Jesus ' is also a contender to take zidane's place as Real Madrid head coach. 1 Like
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