God bless you and may God imbue you with more wisdom

tunapawizzy: Dear Doctors in d house..dnt get me wrong i am not saying LASG has not reneged on its promises..i am not saying u should make financial sacrifices 4 d state, i am not saying doctors r not crucial in d society, What baffles me is how do u people feel to know dat people are dying because of ur actions (its irrelevant if u r ryt or wrong)..People are dying...as far as i'm concerned una no different from BokoHaram wey dey blow people (directly/indirectly both BH n Lagos doctors r sacrificing lives)

[quote author=seleroms]Clap for yourself. So what message have you passed across or what is the aim of this post of yours?[/quote
That while you guys are hailing government for sacking doctors, these guys make sure they have access to the same doctors in case they have problems of their own.

You guys shuld checkout allycat's comment........... He just gave us an insight to d main cause of d strike which is: They are simply striking because they know d govt can pay more............ Simple and short, They dont care about d masses.........

Funkymallam:

How much tax do they pay in Ondo state and can u compare the cost of living in ondo state to Lagos?

Thats assuming they r even paid that 90k.

i think u should get ur facts right, medical officers in ondo earn close to 190k while house officers earn abt 170k...ondo state pays the highest salary of 95k for corpet doctors in the whole of nigeria..housr officers in lag earn less than 165k while the corpers take home pay cant even take them home.i m in the system...though not with lasg..if u hve ur facts u can challenge mine.

aletheia:
No doubt you will eat your words when Fashola climbs down after his bluff is called. You think you can sack 1000 doctors just like that! Bunch of jokers that call themselves leaders and the sycophants that call themselves followers.

There's not enough fund at the disposal of LASG for now.. Fashola used it all up on Tinubu's 60th birthday celebration.. Doctors pls bear with him... Progressives indeed

12 inches!:


Guy u're such a clown and I can bet it that u're not a professional....I'm a young engineer and I cn tell u that the experience I have is far different from the experience an engineer practicing for over 30 yrs will have and I'm sure it's the same for the medical profession. So r u telling me the Lagos State Govt shud sack all the consultants and Specialists (some with over 30 years experience) in the hospitals and replace them with doctors just fresh out of school. You must be kidding me. Two of my siblings are doctors and if u knw the level of brain drain Nigeria suffers even from young doctors to countries like bangladesh and trinidad and tobago u'll not be talking like this.

For the words in bold, you ll be shocked!!!

Professional engineeeeeeer!!!!! When will your association go on strike to protest their poor working condition and demand for a raise? Abi we don't have engineers in civil service again? besides the minimum wage, why don't they have a special salary structure?

There is brain drain in Nigeria and it cuts across all professions, not medical personnel alone. When I joined a top company in 2009, eleven candidates were recruited with seven having a first class honours. Despite the heavy pay, all the first class have disappeared to US. So keep your doctor leaving so there is brain drain to yourselves.

I repeat, all of them should be sacked and their names published in dailies as a warning to future employers. In Anambra, these same doctors went on strike for a whole calender year and guess what, they would be paid for those unproductive months. Ask your doctor friends how many time they have down tools in the past two years in Lagos state? Wont they be paid for such periods?

You talked about experience. What experience do our malaria doctors have? No matter what is wrong with you, it's always malaria. Joke aside, they very senior management in every profession in Nigeria do not go on strike and these are the guys with the type of experience you hype about. So all will be fine. Besides, there are several doctors in private practice who truly desires to become government employee. Those equally have experience and are generously welcome. Any of them that is willing to come back, should write a letter of apology and then reapply, such can be considered if vacancy still exists.

Doctors cannot just go on strike and if they do, then they should be fired!

If they want to go on strike, they should have taken adequate measures to take care of the critically ill. Doctors are not like most other employees because some of them literally hold lives in their hands! Once a life is lost, it can never be regained!

If the doctors have grievances, they should find a way of protesting without putting patients life at risk. For example, they could decline to provide any non-emergency care but they all can’t just take off their coats knowing fully well that some people will die!

If Lagos State is not paying them what they want, why can’t they just quit and go somewhere else that pays better? It’s not like their movement is being restricted. If nobody else would pay them better, then the supply of doctors must be more than demand.

What do you think I would do if my loved one that had an emergency surgery scheduled died because the doctor to perform the surgery decided to join the strike? The doctor better run!

Unions do serve a purpose but I think they’ve outlived their usefulness in the 21st century because they cause more harm than good. They will twist your arm into agreeing to pay something you cannot afford. See the US auto workers if you have any doubt! When the whole industry collapsed, didn’t they forgo all the benefits, healthcare, pension and salary wages that they bargained for over the last few decades?

By the way, I’m not arguing that doctors are being paid enough but merely stating that they just cannot stop coming to work! Period.

i dont think it will ever result to this. but come to look of the way doctors shurn their duty its totally bad for them all, no human feeling at all. and we are shouting BH killing were they not semi BH doctors. any way government too have a big role to play in the event. atleast they family man and woman.

Studies have shown that death rates reduced after doctors went on strike. So my peoples, maybe we should be rejoicing o!


2008 Source: Doctors' strikes and mortality: A review
Social Science & Medicine, Volume 67, Issue 11, Pages 1784-1788
Solveig Argeseanu Cunningham, Kristina Mitchell, K.M. Venkat Narayan, Salim Yusuf

NMA would make sure no doctor registered and certified by it works under this foolish government. It is about time NMA stand tall. Who would try this kind thing with lawyers? NBA would definitely roast such a person alive.

tunapawizzy:

Do you think at all..most def ur IQ will be lower dan ur body temperature..u dnt knw its from d treasury salries get paid....U also said in ur previous post dat since state govt is under fed govt..state should pay what federal pays...listen to urself..how does that sound to you..walahi u no get sense at all..if we begin explain u no go get am, d problem is ur IQ. Too bad u might have to live with it but talk less so u can conceal ur stewpidity more

You are bubble-brained monkey for one. First, learn the reason for the mention. Second, you mean Companies only decide what to pay their workers each month on what they company has in the bank at the particular instance and not what was agreed upon, at time of employment/agreement?

Seriously, twerps should not comment on issues they are not educated on.

For those who do not know . . . .

a) Nigeria runs on a SHORTAGE OF DOCTORS at any given point. According to numbers, the country has 0.35 doctors to every 1000 Nigerian out there. So to think that the sacked doctors can be easily replaced with more experienced one, overnight is to admit ignorance of the very problem in HealthCare today in Nigeria.

b) States in Nigeria, especially Lagos State, make enough(IGR and Allocations included) to pay even their doctors more than the CONMESS agreement suggests. These investments into the doctors, do not simply go to the pockets of these doctors but to the HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE SAID STATE. You cannot improve healthCare for the people, without improving working conditions and salaries of those who work in the sector. It does not work.

Lagos has already approved 75% of the plan but has yet to implement. That is, and remains the problem.

c) Here is a link to the CONMESS document for those who are still clueless on what the Doctors are actually agitating for. http://www.nsiwc.gov.ng/Docs/pdf/CONMESS_2009.pdf

solomon111: Not all states have the means,to pay the federal wage, not to talk of incentives and bonus.
So,how do they cope?

How many states do you know that do not have the means? And what are they doing today? Since there refusal to pay would imply they are going against a Federal law.

I mean it is simple! If a state cannot afford to pay minimum wage, it has

a) not business being a state to begin with

b) has no business employing people it cannot afford to adequately compensate.

Many of the states already have a bloated civil service workforce, which is more likely the reason why they cannot afford to pay their workers a base salary of just $150 a month. Imagine that!

Wallie: Doctors cannot just go on strike and if they do, then they should be fired!

If they want to go on strike, they should have taken adequate measures to take care of the critically ill. Doctors are not like most other employees because some of them literally hold lives in their hands! Once a life is lost, it can never be regained!

If the doctors have grievances, they should find a way of protesting without putting patients life at risk. For example, they could decline to provide any non-emergency care but they all can’t just take off their coats knowing fully well that some people will die!

If Lagos State is not paying them what they want, why can’t they just quit and go somewhere else that pays better? It’s not like their movement is being restricted. If nobody else would pay them better, then the supply of doctors must be more than demand.

What do you think I would do if my loved one that had an emergency surgery scheduled died because the doctor to perform the surgery decided to join the strike? The doctor better run!

Unions do serve a purpose but I think they’ve outlived their usefulness in the 21st century because they cause more harm than good. They will twist your arm into agreeing to pay something you cannot afford. See the US auto workers if you have any doubt! When the whole industry collapsed, didn’t they forgo all the benefits, healthcare, pension and salary wages that they bargained for over the last few decades?

By the way, I’m not arguing that doctors are being paid enough but merely stating that they just cannot stop coming to work! Period.

God bless you, the drs failed to apply common sense while embarking on their incessant strike. It would have been more appropriate if they had withdrawn their services partially without abandoning patients in critical condition.

Now i lost my respect for fashola.it may be sign of collapse of ACN/TINUBU in lagos.sacking doctors is not d solution.now most private doctors would cross to lagos service,creating vacuum in private sector.in d end,striking doctors would be recalled and get their arreas( e.g ilorin 44 lectures).i know fashola cannot win d case in supreme court if he manipulates state court.for new doctors ,u would face d same fate,poor welfare and condition of service.d system would frustrate u

But whenever I checked, I know "Ori bibe ko l' ogun ori fifo". Fashola's action in this regards tells the kind of lawyer he was while in practice if he cannot fulfil his part of the bargain.

has he employed their replacements

Most of guys who are castigating doctors who have a rethink if ur kids become doctors.

Most of guys who are castigating doctors will have a rethink if ur kids become doctors.

Missed the irony? The same governor who was all over the place haranguing the FG for putting down the doomed "subsidy strike" is now desperate to launch thousands of doctors into the labour market simply because they demanded better pay from the richest state govt in W. Africa! Also frightening how we quickly ascribe this "action governor" status to some wacky state executives just because they were able to commandeer buldozers to demolish illegal roadside stalls while biulding a kilometer of road with endless billions! Surely, we can do better! No? Blame our desperation for a savior and thirst for a hero!

M totally dissapointed in fashola 2nd term. Performance is poor. -I am a doc in lag. Lasg has escalated the problem, dissenting views among medical guild wud easily be rallied. The same goverments that collects close to 400,000 from med students in lasuth. Dr9ce is right lasuth house officerns earn abt 168 half of which no accomodation.Close to 12 states pay conmess, no excuses Lag iGR from ikeja Bola tinubu diagnostic centre within ayinke house is well enuf.


1000 doctors covering over 15 million lagosians.. Lagos docs are the most overworked most taxed most underpaid. Do u knw they are less than 5 active neurosurgeons in lagos. You wil be ammazed as the igr from lasuth and sch of medicine. Its bad move politically cos he will still reverse himself. "Luth is currently overflooded with poorer facilities than lasuth.

Here we go again. This is why free things donot work. When you have free education you create ASUU. When you have free medicare you create medical unions as stubborn as the viruses they tackle.

Why, because people rush for free things, clog the system and burden the operators leading to wage demands. It is a viscious cycle. If government insists on free social services it will soon declare bankruptcy.

What we need are economic models that ensure higher productivity and lower costs to bridge this gap. And doctors should be part of this.

How can you be asking for a reduction in your taxes when taxes are essentially what keeps your industry running. If this is the case then the rest of us must subsidize your costs. So what is free about free medicare.

Kobojunkie: For those who do not know . . . .

a) Nigeria runs on a SHORTAGE OF DOCTORS at any given point. According to numbers, the country has 0.35 doctors to every 1000 Nigerian out there. So to think that the sacked doctors can be easily replaced with more experienced one, overnight is to admit ignorance of the very problem in HealthCare today in Nigeria.

b) States in Nigeria, especially Lagos State, make enough(IGR and Allocations included) to pay even their doctors more than the CONMESS agreement suggests. These investments into the doctors, do not simply go to the pockets of these doctors but to the HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE SAID STATE. You cannot improve healthCare for the people, without improving working conditions and salaries of those who work in the sector. It does not work.

Lagos has already approved 75% of the plan but has yet to implement. That is, and remains the problem.

c) Here is a link to the CONMESS document for those who are still clueless on what the Doctors are actually agitating for. http://www.nsiwc.gov.ng/Docs/pdf/CONMESS_2009.pdf

If your argument were to be believed, doctors would not be roaming the streets looking for job. Besides, Fasola would find it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get the new recruits. There are no shortage of doctors. Don't trust Nigeria statistics too much, we don't even have a credible census figure that's acceptable, reasonable and in tandem with everyday geographical sense. All this per 1000 figures are pure voodoo statistics.

That you make enough IGR does not translate to emptying your treasury for doctors alone. 788 doctors sacked is like a pint of salt compare to Lagos population. Money paid to doctors go to individual pockets of such doctors, no more no less, not to any health care system. You can improve healthcare for the people by providing needed facilities and not necessarily increasing doctor's pay. If each doctor takes five million naira monthly and there is no money to stock the hospitals with needed facilities, would the healthcare system improve?

sacking all the striking doctors is not the solution, if the nurses and other health workers decide to go on strike, will the they all be sacked too? you cannot easily replace experienced hands... recruting new doctors who have little experience will only add to the problem as more people will die from poor diagnosis.... besides in the spirit of brotherhood in the medical proffession, no doctor will take up that appointment from which his colleague was sacked...

reading the nation newspaper online i see that there is a nationwide strike declared by all health workers , lets see if they will all be sacked too...

onyxo76: sacking all the striking doctors is not the solution, if the nurses and other health workers decide to go on strike, will the they all be sacked too? you cannot easily replace experienced hands... recruting new doctors who have little experience will only add to the problem as more people will die from poor diagnosis.... besides in the spirit of brotherhood in the medical proffession, no doctor will take up that appointment from which his colleague was sacked...

Which spirit of brotherhood? Do you know the unemployment rate in Nigeria? You don't know what it means to be jobless. So if a banker is sacked for dereliction of duty, another prospective banker will decline the offer. Is that what you are saying? If Nurses joined the macabre dance,why not,let them be sacked. You can't be more powerful than your employer.

This is the worse period to fall sick oh.I think the doctors should have define another means of fighting govt without necessarily staying out of work.No GOVT will watch while its populace die due to some strike.My experience with unionism is that the harsher the head the harsher his policies and it will be seen as if all of the members approve of it

onyxo76: reading the nation newspaper online i see that there is a [b]nationwide strike [/b]declared by all health workers , lets see if they will all be sacked too...

National strike? That's why the culture of strike should be stopped. What's the business of other states with Lagos State's headache? If you were a governor in one of such states, would you also beg them to return to work when there was no issue at stake? Can you see why strike has become an irresponsible tool?

Useless doctors. Their mates are researching and making medical innovations they are crying for salary increase.
Why don't they ask for more facilities to enable them perform better?
Anofia all of them.
Tradomedical kuku full everywhere

We are failing to see the real issue here. I'm trying to look at this without sentiment. It is not about whether the Drs are heartless or the govt is righT. It boils down to a series of agreements and facts
1. FG agreed for the Drs to have this CONMESS supposed to stablise them and reduce brain drain
2. The States agreed to implement them when it was approved by FG
3. It was approved and implemented
4. Lagos State among other states negiotiated with the drs what they would pay, when they would pay and how much arrears. An agreement was reached
5. Lagos state failed to keep their side of the bargain 13 months after reaching the agreement claiming issues needed to be ironed but manages to quadriple tax
6. Lagos state did not include the financial implication of this agreement into their 2011 or 2012
Budget
7. All efforts both nationally and locally for mediation bythe unions were rejected
8. Lagos State begins a smear campaign based on sympathy
9. If truely Lagos could not afford to pay this now, why could they not mediate and come to an agreemant

I do not think this drs are fools. I think they are frustrated with the system. And are fighting for their rights. Did we not all in January fight. Do you think plle did not die of illnesses in that period. I believe that I heard of a couple of Drs that worked that were dealt with by lagosians claiming betrayal. Is this action different tfrom then because the rest of us are not involved. For a country ridden by injustice and corruption, I will always applaud the ones that stand for their rights. The rest of uis should stop being selfish. And the Drs should set up free consultation posts for those who truely cannot afford alternate healthcare......

sartorius: M totally dissapointed in fashola 2nd term. Performance is poor. -I am a doc in lag. Lasg has escalated the problem, dissenting views among medical guild wud easily be rallied. The same goverments that collects close to 400,000 from med students in lasuth. Dr9ce is right lasuth house officerns earn abt 168 half of which no accomodation.Close to 12 states pay conmess, no excuses Lag iGR from ikeja Bola tinubu diagnostic centre within ayinke house is well enuf.


1000 doctors covering over 15 million lagosians.. Lagos docs are the most overworked most taxed most underpaid. Do u knw they are less than 5 active neurosurgeons in lagos. You wil be ammazed as the igr from lasuth and sch of medicine. Its bad move politically cos he will still reverse himself. "Luth is currently overflooded with poorer facilities than lasuth.

I know, performance will be poor since he has refused to hand over the treasury to your union. Why don't you resign and go to one of such twelve states where you are more valued? You guys are in short supply so once you say here I am, You ll be promptly employed.

I honestly do not know the contentious issues between the two parties, but I know that the strikes have been inceassant.

I can not have any kind words for the striking doctors, as long as patients that needed immediate attention have been dying due to non-availability of doctors to attend to them.

I have had to switch jobs in my career, once I realise that a particular job no longer meet my aspirations. The doctors have this option as well.