sartorius: M totally dissapointed in fashola 2nd term. Performance is poor. -I am a doc in lag. Lasg has escalated the problem, dissenting views among medical guild wud easily be rallied. The same goverments that collects close to 400,000 from med students in lasuth. Dr9ce is right lasuth house officerns earn abt 168 half of which no accomodation.Close to 12 states pay conmess, no excuses Lag iGR from ikeja Bola tinubu diagnostic centre within ayinke house is well enuf.


1000 doctors covering over 15 million lagosians.. Lagos docs are the most overworked most taxed most underpaid. Do u knw they are less than 5 active neurosurgeons in lagos. You wil be ammazed as the igr from lasuth and sch of medicine. Its bad move politically cos he will still reverse himself. "Luth is currently overflooded with poorer facilities than lasuth.

Kobojunkie: WOW!!! Is any state in this nation even serious about improving the HealthCare sector at all?

Over on the other side, I am told by some ninnies that we need roads first before we tackle Healthcare. Now here we have a government sacking over 1000 doctors, in a state where the goal should have been to increase the number of doctors at least 10 fold.

bayooooooo:

I know, performance will be poor since he has refused to hand over the treasury to your union. Why don't you resign and go to one of such twelve states where you are more valued? You guys are in short supply so once you say here I am, You ll be promptly employed.

otokx: The doctors should have taking the middle ground and negotiated some sort of settlement. The thing about increasing salaries is that there would be a ripple effect and soon the nurses would start their own then the laboratory people too would join in not forgetting the pharmacists then the administrative staff - quite a delicate matter.

Chinedudele: Why should doctors go on strike without considering the health care of the people. Doctors are well paid they should not because of money abandon their patent to die on their sick bed. I strongly support the action of the state governor. More, the issue of workers goinog on strike on any slightest disagreement with the govt should be looked into. There is no country where such is done.

bayooooooo:

For the words in bold, you ll be shocked!!!

Professional engineeeeeeer!!!!! When will your association go on strike to protest their poor working condition and demand for a raise? Abi we don't have engineers in civil service again? besides the minimum wage, why don't they have a special salary structure?

There is brain drain in Nigeria and it cuts across all professions, not medical personnel alone. When I joined a top company in 2009, eleven candidates were recruited with seven having a first class honours. Despite the heavy pay, all the first class have disappeared to US. So keep your doctor leaving so there is brain drain to yourselves.

I repeat, all of them should be sacked and their names published in dailies as a warning to future employers. In Anambra, these same doctors went on strike for a whole calender year and guess what, they would be paid for those unproductive months. Ask your doctor friends how many time they have down tools in the past two years in Lagos state? Wont they be paid for such periods?

You talked about experience. What experience do our malaria doctors have? No matter what is wrong with you, it's always malaria. Joke aside, they very senior management in every profession in Nigeria do not go on strike and these are the guys with the type of experience you hype about. So all will be fine. Besides, there are several doctors in private practice who truly desires to become government employee. Those equally have experience and are generously welcome. Any of them that is willing to come back, should write a letter of apology and then reapply, such can be considered if vacancy still exists.

12 inches!:


I sigh at u....
Leme just ask you a few questions if u cn answer yes to any of it with proof then I can continue discussing with you.
1. Do engineers and other professionals do residency that take 4yrs after studying for 7yrs?
2. Do you think genuinely that doctors are being well paid?
3. Do you think Nigeria has the right doctor to patient ratio as established by WHO?
4. Do you think ALL doctors are interested ONLY in saving lives and av no desires to be wealthy?
5. Do you think the experience of doctors in a small private hospital can be compared to that of a doctor in a teaching hospital?
6. How is the schedule of a doctor in a public hospital like. Does it give time to easily do other work be it be private clinic or business?
7. VERY IMPORTANT: Have u ever been very sick before and in need of a surgery or special treatment and the only hope you have is God and a doctor?

Leme just let u understand. May God bless us with good health but if that time comes and you have no hope or you're serzly in pain, you will recognize that doctor's need not only to be paid well but also treated well. Cos wen that time comes it is only the public hospitals you'll have. The good private hospitals are owned or run by the same consultants in the public hospitals that you've refused to pay well where they charge u big money which you may not be able to afford. The only hope for the masses is the public hospitals.

bigiyaro: Stupid idiots calling themselves doctors,the fundermental duties of a doctor is to save human lives,it is inhuman and totally against the oat voluntarily made during induction for a doctor to stand aside and watch people die in the name of one stupid strike or CONMESS or whatever.it is not as if they are not being paid but they want more,doctors want to ride lincon navigator,bugati,they want to live in mansons, metchewww,i will advise those yeye doctor that if they want to become millionaires,they should quit the doctor thing and enter oil,construction,religious and political business things, doctorship is for peolpe who have humanity at heart not people who see it as a means of getting rich.

dumodust: I'm saddened by how nigerians think,we're so oppressed and manipulated that can't see anymore. Being a medical doctor is a job not a humanitarian service. Nigerians and there politicians are the ones toying with there lives. Even in normal conditions, half the people on these pages cannot afford healthcare in these hospitals.
These guys want their due, they want to be able to pay rent, school fees and still focus on their work. If u feel they don't deserve that and that ucan read medicine, pls then go and read then come and toil for free for long hrs all week. Please, since we're all capable of charity, humanitarian work is not restricted to healthcare, everyone should be involved, therefore- all these ranters, foodstuff sellers, mtn, glo, lawyers, taxi drivers, barrow pushers and hawkers should give there services free and we can all switch from capitalism to communism.
Working is not by force, if u don't need them, some other state or country will poach them or they will enter the same expensive private practice that u detest.

Take care all...I'm looking forward to more expensive healthcare by imported Indians and Arabs...then nigerians who are subdued by white skin will rejoice and pay them 1million. You will reap only what you sow which is not the paltry con mess that they are asking for

bayooooooo:

Do you dictate your salary to your employer?

olsmade: I think Lagos state is the greater loser in dis fight. I remember over a year ago, I got an appointment as an intern with the LASG after a stellar performance in d test (I rated best in dat test b4 d interview). I was dismayed when I got the appointment letter and saw the pay package and sharply left for FMC Ekiti where I also got an appointment. Pls note that Im not from Lagos state so der is no issue of patriotism here. Lagos state even paid me on one occasion despite d fact dat I never resumed which I duly refunded. In essence, what I'm saying z dat Lagos docs are not necessarily greedy, they, just like me, know der worth n what z due to them n dats all dey r asking for. The masses will do well to ignore d media propaganda of the LASG who z just whipping up sentiments. Truth z dat even if LASG pays conmess, docs are still gonna be leaving for greener pasture- how much more now?
In more civilised climes, doctors n oda workers in highly urbanised areas, London I'm sure of, get higher pay than their colleagues in oda parts of the country cos the cost of living z considerably higher. Why can't we emulate welfare packages lyk dis? The cost of living in Lagos is incomparable to that in Ekiti, Osun n docs dere are even better paid. I'm a Corper in Osun presently n earn more than double what a Lagos Corper doctor earns.
However, I must say that I am dismayed at some of the abusive comments made by docs earlier in this thread. It rili shouldn't av gotten to that, no matter how passionate we are about this cause. I apologise on behalf of the profession.

bayooooooo:

That's my guy!!! Go to where you are appreciated!. Say hi to Gbadebo for me in Ido Ekiti!!!!

bayooooooo:

Stop spreading ignorance!!!

What's the correlation between road and the stupi$dity of incessant strikes? are they being less paid than their counterparts in other states? Afterall, you are in a country where strike is even illegal in most states? People like you should know better than spreading ignorance.

In the first instance, why were the sacked? Do you follow the history of how they have been embarking on unreasonable strikes here and there? Does that make sense to you? Can you be more powerful than your employer? In your opinion, no matter what, the state government should have pander to their interest. The government should recruit young doctors who are ready to work.

OK/2/NV:
This thread is now about egos

ngak: We are failing to see the real issue here. I'm trying to look at this without sentiment. It is not about whether the Drs are heartless or the govt is righT. It boils down to a series of agreements and facts

1. FG agreed for the Drs to have this CONMESS supposed to stablise them and reduce brain drain

2. The States agreed to implement them when it was approved by FG

3. It was approved and implemented

4. Lagos State among other states negiotiated with the drs what they would pay, when they would pay and how much arrears. An agreement was reached


5. Lagos state failed to keep their side of the bargain 13 months after reaching the agreement claiming issues needed to be ironed but manages to quadriple tax (This reminds me of ASUU)

6. Lagos state did not include the financial implication of this agreement into their 2011 or 2012
Budget

7. All efforts both nationally and locally for mediation bythe unions were rejected

8. Lagos State begins a smear campaign based on sympathy

9. If truely Lagos could not afford to pay this now, why could they not mediate and come to an agreemant

dejato: Saxywale, i cant but laugh at your stupidity.. I want to see were Fashola will see just 200 doctors to take the jobs. Ogun state pays 200k minimum, Oyo pays 210k, ondo pays 195k and all these states are with very little tax. You think doctors are stupid? if they offer me 400k for that job, i wont take it. Do we look like slaves? All over the world doctors are the highest paid and they can afford basics. in Naija as a doctor you cant even send your children to the best school. They say doctors have more than one job. Have you ever seen any human being that likes to work like Jackal? if the rubbish salary they pay in government hospital is sufficient for their need will they take other jobs and be away from the comfort of their homes and children? If you go to the market and the market woman knows you are a doctor, your bill will quickly increase in 2 folds. But the govt can spend 3 billion for Jagaban Borgus birthday.Lagos state government doctors are the greatest slaves in the whole country. Fashola increases hospital size, declares free treatment and doesnt increase the work force. when doctors in other states do half of their jobs.

dejato, you have sickle cells in your brain. Learn how to pass you opinion or facts without swearing. If you had gone through my post, you would have seen its not firsthand information and I did mention that things might have changed. I am sure its the likes of you that make up your crazy union of heartless beings. Sun of a gun.

lari03:
Read the punch today 373 new doctors to be inducted

slq: Doctors are really the most considerate pips(not saying cos am one tho)..Its sad that in Nigeria u can only achieve wat u want thru strikes..but the govt doesnt care cos em don use d doctors ..the fly abroad to treat hypertension dat can be easily controlled here..bottom line is dat is d poor masses who suffer doctors strike..and in most strike doctors secretly sneak in @ night to see some patient @ d risk of being fined by the medical body(like 5k each time u r caught)..the real truth of the matter is dat bash Drs all u like here but if u fail to notice d problem here is ur govt dont give a sh*t about u then u r deluded...n b4 any strikein- patients r not abandoned.they r stil taken care of if they cant be transfered to a private hospital to seek care..methinks LASG can afford their demand ,tho both parties might need to compromise a lil.But NMA n MDCAN and NARD should not let any Dr take those jobs..(No sane reasoning Dr shud even tink it cos it wud weaken the only means u negotiate with dis selfish politicians,but I know selfish pips wud stil rush to it...they r hundreds of federal n private hospitals in Lagos....