buzugee: there will be eternal life on earth for those who make it. however eternal life means the eternal life of your spirit not your body. whether you choose to believe it or not, the spirit is reincarnated back onto the earth in a different body every third or fourth generation. as such you have eternal life. your spirit lives forever and returns back to the spirit world and back to earth alternatively like a yoyo. up and down. up and down. up and down. that is eternal life. you dont stay on earth in the same body forever. that is biologically impossible

buzugee: there will be eternal life on earth for those who make it. however eternal life means the eternal life of your spirit not your body. [size=15pt] whether you choose to believe it or not, the spirit is reincarnated back onto the earth in a different body every third or fourth generation. as such you have eternal life. your spirit lives forever and returns back to the spirit world and back to earth alternatively like a yoyo. up and down. up and down. up and down. that is eternal life. [/size] you dont stay on earth in the same body forever. that is biologically impossible

ijawkid:

Buzugeee this ur idealogy fit kill me for laugh,,,,....hehehehehehehe.....

"Yoyo".
Lol...

Frm ur explanation it means u believe so much in re-incarnation.....
Right??

In essense ur saying no need for ressurection??

If we'll keep re-incarnating ,then wahala go dey ooooo...

Meanwhile hw will isaiah's prophecy fulfill if we'll be living forever in d spirit

Prophecies like build houses and have occupancy,a young boy leading wild animals,planting and eating,animals living in peace,lion eating straw just like bull....


Even Jesus re-emphasized these truth @ matthew 5:5....

In verse 3 he talked about those who will live as spirit in heaven,and also those who spend eternity on earth as humans..

joe4christ:

And where did you get that from o? Though i would'nt want to believe it but i atimes have this feelings that i've lived centuries back, i dont know how to explain it, but the memories flashes back to me atimes, once in a while, it seems i'm the only one experiencing it, it seems i've lived on different generation before, both early 20th century, could you explain this?

buzugee: reincarnation is a fact of life. reincarnation is all over the bible. john the baptist will reincarnate as elijah in the last days. its in the bible. MATTHEW 11 VS 14[b] And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come[/b]

i just read those two verses you gave. Brother you commit a great infarction. you always read the bible literally. this is why you get confused. quick question ? have you ever read the old testament ? i suspect you havent. you can never, and i repeat never fully understand the new testament if you havent read the old testament ( especially from job to malachi )

ijawkid: @buzugeee....

U also quoted john 9:1 $ 2......to prove ya point on re-incarnation...

But mayb u failed to realy analyze Jesus's answer to his disciples as to who sinned that led to mans been born blind....

What was Jesus reply?

John 9:3:::::: ""neither this man sinned nor his parents"""""

Jesus's reply contradicts d principles of re-incarnation,which implies that disabilities depend on sins from a former life.......

Nobody can sin before being born....

Read romans9:11

ijawkid:


I have reÀd d old testament ofcus...

Ofcus I'm a bible §tudent......

But my questions and my points are pertinent...

You can't tell me that things pertaining to d earth are nt physical....


Soon u might start telling me that we are not physical but spirit persons on earth......

D bible says persons will live on earth forever and does mention d earthly conditions that would surround that new world but u say we'll live forever in d spirit....

That's absurd.....

We will talk about this re-incarnation issue....

Let me arrange my scriptures and my points correctly........


Like I asked u earlier if we'll be re-incarnating then why do we need to be ressurected


Jesus shulda left lazarus to live on in what ever place he'll be re-incarnated to.......


Ressurection and re-incarnation are 2 words that will everly contradict itself as far as d bible is concerned....

I understand d bible,I weight many possible factors b4 I reach a conclusion.........

If I know I'll keep re-incarnating(ur own explanation of ressurection),then why do many still have to wait in there memorial tombs for Yahweh thru his son Jesus to ressurect them when the end comes??


Abel,noah,isaiah,deborah,abraham,job where have they all re-incarnated to

Can u answer buzu buzu.............


Oya let's analyze johns case.....


U said John d baptizer was elijah reborned...
Right??

But @ john 1:21 who did John himself say he was??

John himself told his inquisitors whom he was....


Was he lying??


Altho it had been fortold that John d baptizer would precede the messiah "with elijahs spirit and power" ,it never mÉant John would be elijah in d re-incarnated form....


It only meant John d baptizer was elijah in d sense that he carried out a work comparable to that of Elijah.....

buzugee: Ijawkid, you are going to have to get comfortable with the fact that you (your body ) will not live forever. i know you had this dream and desire of immortality

buzugee: yeah for the internet trolls otherwise known as the atheists lol

OLAADEGBU: Shall we call this thread the reason why skeptics are hellphobia? Here is a story of how a man who showed this phobia.

A man was driving to work when a lorry drove through a stop sign, hit his car broadside, and knocked him out. Passers-by pulled him from the wreck and revived him. He began a terrific struggle and had to be tranquillised by the paramedics.

Later, when he came to and was calm, they asked him why he struggled so much. He said:

"I remember the impact, then nothing. I woke up on a concrete slab in front of a huge, flashing 'Shell' sign. And somebody was standing in front of the S."

cyrexx:

have you done any research at all to understand how the bible was compiled.
do you know how and when the Greek mythological teaching of hell was adopted by early christians.
sinners are the enemies of God you said. how are they enemies of god. did they steal something from God. or offend him any way to deserve a life sentence of continual pain. hmmm. humans as wicked as we are can never do this even to our enemy. Surely, the image of God created in your mind by your religion is more wicked than the character of even the most wicked of human beings.

cyrexx:

the truth you dont know is that Paul and the New Testament authors invented the notion of Hell to control people. Theologians today still debate whether it is a state of mind, or a real place, and whether souls really burn in it. Parents, ministers, pastors, clerics, and priests, don’t seem to debate it. Hell works great for them and they throw it around to scare everyone. Pastors love hell. Parents love hell. Televangelists love hell. For all of them, it makes their job easier and takes away much of the need to explain right and wrong. its simple: don’t do what I say and you’ll go to hell. None of them will question why God did not tell the Chinese, the Jews, Africans, Asians, Indians, or anyone born before the Apostle Paul about hell. It works too well for them to consider that it was made up for their benefit.

Good luck with your beliefs of intimidation from a supposed God of Love

OLAADEGBU:
The existence of hell and the certainty of the judgment are not the claims of fallible, sinful men. The Bible is the source of the claim and it did not just Paul, the Bible was written by over 40 authors over a period of 3,000 years, and it is utterly infallible.

Jenwitemi:

I am imagining olaadegbu and alexleo to be the poor man. No wonder they wanting others to suffer the kind of pains they suffer from the "love" of their arm twisting hell threatening ever loving biblical deity.

Joel.:
Do any of u believe in Holy Ghost Fire that burnt people in the church? If not i'm sorry. That fire is not a physical but a spirit fire that torment demons spirit. If yes then believe in hell fire now.

logicboy:


Holy ghost fire doesnt exist. Call your pastor to use his holy ghost fire against boko haram and he will feel the firepower of a bomb

Ptolomeus:
Then the spray is harmless to me ...
But let us agree it was a good joke ...
Do not become stressed, we are talking with friends ... exchanging ideas and viewpoints ...
Nobody here will convince anyone, and that's the positive.
No stress.

OLAADEGBU:

There's no need to stress yourself over what you don't believe in. Let me give you a consolation, if we can call it that. If there is no hell, you wouldn't know a thing after you die. It will be the end. No heaven, no hell. Just nothing. You wouldn't even realise that you won the argument.

But here is the bad news if the Bible is found out to be true and that there is eternal justice: You will find yourself standing before the judgment throne of a holy God, who has seen every sin you have ever committed. Think of it for a moment. The thought of a holy and perfect God has seen your thought-life and every secret sin you've ever committed.

Don't you think hell will be what you deserve and that you will have no one to blame except yourself? You are playing Russian roulette with a loaded gun.

cyrexx:

aren't you tired of using Pascal's Wager which states that "God can't be proved. But if God exists, the believer gains everything (heaven) and the unbeliever loses everything (hell). If God doesn't exist, the believer loses nothing and the unbeliever gains nothing. There is therefore everything to gain and nothing to lose by believing in God."

listen well, this argument, first formulated by French philosopher Blaise Pascal, is sheer intimidation. It is not a case for a god's existence or validity of the bible hence, the validity of hell or heaven: it is an argument for belief, based on irrational fear. With this kind of reasoning we should simply pick the religion with the worst hell.

It is not true that the believer loses nothing. We diminish this life by preferring the myth of an afterlife, and we sacrifice honesty to the maintenance of a lie. Religion demands time, energy and money, draining valuable human resources from the improvement of this world. Religious conformity, a tool of tyrants, is a threat to freedom.

Nor is it true that the unbeliever gains nothing. Rejecting religion can be a positive liberating experience, gaining perspective and freedom of inquiry. Freethinkers have always been in the forefront of social and moral progress.

What kind of person would eternally torment an honest doubter? If their god is so unjust, then religionists (christians and muslims) are in as much danger as atheists. Perhaps god will get a perverted thrill from changing his mind and damning everyone, believers and unbelievers alike. Or, inverting the gamble, perhaps god will only save those who have enough courage to question and assess what they believe!

Pascal was a Catholic and assumed that the existence of god meant the Christian God. However, the Islamic Allah might be the true god, which turns Pascal's wager into a riskier gamble than intended.

In any case, a belief in a deity based on FEAR is not a belief that produces admiration. It does not follow that such a being deserves to be worshipped or even acknowledged

cyrexx: There's an invisible being - living in the sky - who watches everything I do, every
minute of every day. He gave me a mind to reason and asked me not to use it. He demands me to believe some unreasonable things based on bad evidence - dogma and blind faith. These and many more are the special list of things he wants me to do. And if I don't do these things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send me to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time, no, its actually more than than that, its forever . . . But He loves me!


of course, i believe. i dont want to go to hell that he has prepared for non-believers if i dare to question him.

i mean, who would not believe this except for some brave souls that are bold enough to critically examine what has been fed into their minds from childhood and they will "surely go to hell" for examining their beliefs.

cyrexx:

so the same Creator now throws people in hell fire for the crime of unbelieving somethings

OLAADEGBU:

You say you have a mind for examining beliefs, lets see how your mind works, whether it works logically or not.

"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:20).

What is the evidence of the existence of God?

When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I couldn't want a better evidence that there was a builder than to have the building in front of me. I don't even need faith to know that there was a builder. All I need are eyes that can see and a brain that can think.

The same principle applies to the existence of God. When I look at creation, how can I know that there was a Creator? Creation reveals to me that there is a Creator. I couldn't want a better evidence that there is a Creator than to have the creation in front of me. I don't need faith to believe in a Creator, all I need are eyes that can see and a brain that can think.

But if I want the builder to do something for me, then I need to have faith in the builder. Likewise, if you want to come to God you must believe that He exists and is the lawgiver that you are accountable to.

"Without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him" (Hebrews 11:6)- The Evidence Bible.

Faith in God is not blind faith, it is based on the fact of God's existence seen clearly through creation.

Jenwitemi: 1) This analogy is false. Christians are not only seeing a building as the evidence of a builder (in general terms) but also WHO ACTUALLY IS THE BUILDER (in specific terms). Where, then, is the proof that you know the specific identity of the builder? This is where your argument fails woefully.

Example; I can also tell you that a brandless CAR was built by it's creator(s)after having seen it, but i can't start claiming that the nameless car proves the existence of MERCEDES or BMW or TOYOTA or MAZDA, which is what you christians like to do.

Your trickery is that , to prove the existence of God to atheist, you flipflop between referring to God in general terms (GOD the creator) and in the specific terms (christian god;The Jewish god) and getting caught in the process by the atheists.

I can agree that the creation proves the existence of a creator. This follows logic. But you cannot prove that the creator in question is the one you worship. The one in the scriptures of your religion. That, you can't prove with that building analogy of yours.

OLAADEGBU:

You can know who the builder/manufacturer is if you really want to know, all it takes is for you to contact the appropriate record books but then you need faith to believe the records. Likewise, the uncreated Creator has left His signature in the record book called the Holy Bible, it will again take faith for you to believe His words.