Martian:

Of course I don't know. The only difference is that I don't make stuff up, call it "extraphysical", then ask people to take a stance.

logicboy:

Please, I need you on my new thread

hisblud: ok

logicboy:

Ode, read comments again. This confidence in ignorance is getting to my nerves!!!

Yes, there is causality within the universe. However, when it comes to the totality of the universe, it is a different matter. If there is a cause to existence, it becomes a paradoxical impossibility because that cause itself is an existence since it exists

Uyi Iredia:

No. The cause always existed. Besides YOU are unwilling to apply this paradoxical impossibility to Nature.

logicboy:

Even so, that cause is not God

Uyi Iredia:

Because you shy away from the reality of God shown in Nature and in human being such as yourself.

Uyi Iredia:

No. The cause always existed. Besides YOU are unwilling to apply this paradoxical impossibility to Nature.

Kay 17:

Within what framework was that possible? In a void?

Mr_Anony:

Not a void but a non-physical (or spiritual) realm.

Kay 17: with absolute time involved or no time or unknown substance working similarly to time?

Mr_Anony:

Not a void but a non-physical (or spiritual) realm.

thehomer:

What is this spiritual realm and what are its inhabitants?

Mr_Anony: 1. Atheism is supposed to be the lack of a belief in deity (God) rather it is the convenient denial of God so as to go against conscience commit as many crimes one can get away with.

2. Atheism has no moral code or guidelines i.e. does not define good and evil hence serial rapists, serial killers, pedophiles, fraudsters are all justified as atheists.

3. The world's most hideous mass murderers were atheists namely Hitler and Stalin

4. For a group of people who don't believe in God, they go a long way to try and force this non-belief on others who don't share it and will even resort to name-calling and violence in some cases. It seems to me that they do this so as to constantly convince themselves that there is no God even though their consciences and their souls protest (heck they even deny the soul)

5. Atheists will always misuse science by quoting so called "scientific facts" as if they were some infallible creed (deliberately forgetting that fallibility is in fact the nature of science)

6. Atheists simply do not have any morals and they are quite comfortable attacking those with morals by calling them intolerant brainwashed fanatic bigots because it gives them some sort of a superiority complex.

7. Though they often claim to be logical, they mostly fail to provide logical arguments rather they resort to over-simplistic lines, quoting theists out of context and plain old mockery.



8. My question to Atheists; Justify your belief. Can you prove to me with 100% certainty that there is no God?

Mr_Anony: 1. Atheism is supposed to be the lack of a belief in deity (God) rather it is the convenient denial of God so as to go against conscience commit as many crimes one can get away with.

2. Atheism has no moral code or guidelines i.e. does not define good and evil hence serial rapists, serial killers, pedophiles, fraudsters are all justified as atheists.

3. The world's most hideous mass murderers were atheists namely Hitler and Stalin

4. For a group of people who don't believe in God, they go a long way to try and force this non-belief on others who don't share it and will even resort to name-calling and violence in some cases. It seems to me that they do this so as to constantly convince themselves that there is no God even though their consciences and their souls protest (heck they even deny the soul)

5. Atheists will always misuse science by quoting so called "scientific facts" as if they were some infallible creed (deliberately forgetting that fallibility is in fact the nature of science)

6. Atheists simply do not have any morals and they are quite comfortable attacking those with morals by calling them intolerant brainwashed fanatic bigots because it gives them some sort of a superiority complex.

7. Though they often claim to be logical, they mostly fail to provide logical arguments rather they resort to over-simplistic lines, quoting theists out of context and plain old mockery.



8. My question to Atheists; Justify your belief. Can you prove to me with 100% certainty that there is no God?





This is in response to similar posts by logicboy and other militant evangelist atheists on Nairaland.

MrAnony1: 1. Atheism is supposed to be the lack of a belief in deity (God) rather it is the convenient denial of God so as to go against conscience commit as many crimes one can get away with.

2. Atheism has no moral code or guidelines i.e. does not define good and evil hence serial rapists, serial killers, pedophiles, fraudsters are all justified as atheists.

3. The world's most hideous mass murderers were atheists namely Hitler and Stalin

4. For a group of people who don't believe in God, they go a long way to try and force this non-belief on others who don't share it and will even resort to name-calling and violence in some cases. It seems to me that they do this so as to constantly convince themselves that there is no God even though their consciences and their souls protest (heck they even deny the soul)

5. Atheists will always misuse science by quoting so called "scientific facts" as if they were some infallible creed (deliberately forgetting that fallibility is in fact the nature of science)

6. Atheists simply do not have any morals and they are quite comfortable attacking those with morals by calling them intolerant brainwashed fanatic bigots because it gives them some sort of a superiority complex.

7. Though they often claim to be logical, they mostly fail to provide logical arguments rather they resort to over-simplistic lines, quoting theists out of context and plain old mockery.



8. My question to Atheists; Justify your belief. Can you prove to me with 100% certainty that there is no God?





This is in response to similar posts by logicboy and other militant evangelist atheists on Nairaland.

jayriginal:
Bump for the records. OP claimed to have been an atheist once.

Beware of those who only do good because of the fear of hell!

Abdstrakt: Religion is a scam. I don't need religion to know that certain things are not good, I don't need to be bribed with the idea of eternal life before i can love my neighbor/be kind to pple/live an honest life/help the needy etc. I don't need religion to know that there's someone up there that's greater than us all. I just need to look up in the sky to know that there's an uncaused cause, a necessary being, In as much as I think one cannot come to the knowledge of God’s existence through reason alone, reason alone can bring us to the knowledge of God’s existence. It will be an incomplete knowledge of God, but it is the knowledge of God nonetheless. the wise thing to do is to live your life as if God does exist because such a life has everything to gain and nothing to lose. If we live as though God exists, and He does indeed exist, we have gained heaven. If He doesn’t exist, we have lost nothing. If, on the other hand, we live as though God does not exist and He really does exist, we have gained hell and punishment and have lost heaven and bliss. If one weighs the options,clearly the rational choice to live as if God exists is the better of the possible choices.

MrAnony1:
Yes, the OP was once an atheist. Then he got wise.


If you are referring to the OP here, then you couldn't be more wrong because he(the OP) does not do good because he is afraid of hell rather he does good because he loves the One who loved him first enough to die for him while he was yet a sinner. The OP submissively follows the leading of this One.

Purist:
I see you haven't changed a bit. You didn't even say anything differently.

By your own admission, you only do good because of a belief that you have been redeemed vicariously. Otherwise you have no reason to do good....

.....for then you would feel guilty for failing to return the 'love' of this supposed redeemer.

...And why should you feel any guilt in the first place, except for the fact that the penalty for being unable to 'love the one who first loved you' is an eternal vacation in hell.

"He loved me first so I must love him back, or else I'm doomed" ...sounds like a very unhealthy relationship if you ask me.

MrAnony1:
Why do you do good? What is your reason?

Kay17: Anony1 confuses atheism with antipathy for the incomprehensible Christian God. There is a layer of deceit at pretending that atheism is solely against Christianity, it is a denial of a whole category of existence -- supernatural.

Also, atheism treats all Gods to be of an equal disposition and to have a common cause.

jayriginal:

As humans, we share a common struggle. We experience pain and pleasure, we bond. We can think and overide natural instincts. We know we can live together, old and young, strong and feeble. We can help ourselves and do not need to be forced into doing so. We are fully capable of deriving pleasure from making life better for others.

That trumps being compelled to do good any day!

MrAnony1: The question was: Why do you do good? What is your reason?


That's not quite true

As humans, we share a common struggle. We experience pain and pleasure, we bond but we also divide. We can think and override natural instincts but we can also give in to them.
We know we can live together, old and young, strong and feeble and we also know that we can also live apart and separate the weak from the strong.
Sometimes we can help ourselves and do not need to be forced into doing so but we also recognize the necessity of laws, governments and a police force to compel us to help one another for those other times when we don't want to be helpful.
We are fully capable of deriving pleasure from making life better for others and we are also fully capable of deriving pleasure in making life miserable for others.

The question you haven't answered is why make life better for others and not worse for them since we are fully capable of doing both? In other words, Why do you do good? (we will assume for the sake of argument that making life better for others is doing good)



I never said that I was compelled to do good.

MrAnony1: 1. Atheism is supposed to be the lack of a belief in deity (God) rather it is the convenient denial of God so as to go against conscience commit as many crimes one can get away with.

2. Atheism has no moral code or guidelines i.e. does not define good and evil hence serial rapists, serial killers, pedophiles, fraudsters are all justified as atheists.

3. The world's most hideous mass murderers were atheists namely Hitler and Stalin

4. For a group of people who don't believe in God, they go a long way to try and force this non-belief on others who don't share it and will even resort to name-calling and violence in some cases. It seems to me that they do this so as to constantly convince themselves that there is no God even though their consciences and their souls protest (heck they even deny the soul)

5. Atheists will always misuse science by quoting so called "scientific facts" as if they were some infallible creed (deliberately forgetting that fallibility is in fact the nature of science)

6. Atheists simply do not have any morals and they are quite comfortable attacking those with morals by calling them intolerant brainwashed fanatic bigots because it gives them some sort of a superiority complex.

7. Though they often claim to be logical, they mostly fail to provide logical arguments rather they resort to over-simplistic lines, quoting theists out of context and plain old mockery.



8. My question to Atheists; Justify your belief. Can you prove to me with 100% certainty that there is no God?





This is in response to similar posts by logicboy and other militant evangelist atheists on Nairaland.

MrAnony1:
Now all you have to do is provide evidence that would suggest that what you've said is true because I am quite sure that I do not think that atheism is necessarily the same as anti-Jehovah. . . .or perhaps you are telling one of your lies again.

jayriginal:

Here is a list of things I never said.

I never said;

We dont divide
We dont give in to natural instincts
We cant separate the weak from the young
We dont need government/police/instruments of the law
People dont derive pleasure from the misery of others

I have told you why [b]I do good. If I say I have empathy or I share in the great struggle of humanity, that ought to be clear enough.[/b]

Kay17:
Where did you hide the remainder of the Gods atheists deny?!