buzugee: Satan why art thou persecuting me ?

musKeeto: Job 1:6-7
" Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. "

Funny isn't it?
Was the Lord here GOD or JESUS?
And Satan joined the party?

At some point, one just has to wonder if CHRISTIANS would believe these stories if they weren't in the Bible..

logicboy01:



You shouldnt fear Satan, you should fear God, he is 10x more evil and killed many people.

buzugee: Satan how art thou things searched out ?

logicboy01:


lol...stop derailing. Begone derailing devil in the name of Jebus!

buzugee: Thou comest froth iniquity and as such i will refine thee like gold is refined and try you like silver is tried. i will leave thee in the midst thereof in 10000000 degrees heat and melt you in the midst thereof. and ye shall know that the lord of armies has an indignation with ye

logicboy01:


Please focus on the topic

buzugee: Ye are off your father the devil and the will of thee father will thee doest

buzugee: musKeeto whence comest thou ? From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it and biting thee inhabitants and transfering thee plasmodium ?

logicboy01: Many people always tell me about the story of Job to strengthen my faith but I think it is a wrong story for faith.


Story of Job
-Job is a wealthy man with a family
-Satan sees this and wants God to test his faith
-God allows Satan to destroy Jobs family
-Job is also given disease
-Job remains faithful despite suffering
-The devil is angry and God is pleased.


Any non-christian that is not blinded by faith can see the obvious problems in this story

1) Satan tempts God. God agrees. This is contrary to what Jesus told Satan in the wilderness. Contradiction

2) God/Satan murders a man's family (children) just to test his faith. For all the christians who agree with this, may the same thing happen to you. "do unto others...". How can this be? Taking innocent lives just because you want to test someone's faith. How would you like it if your children were just killed because someone wants to test your faith?

3) God replaces Job's wealth and family at the end. This is what is wrong with the bible. It sees women and children as properties you can replace. Can someone replace your mother? Can someone else take the place of your children? God allows Satan to murder Job's children and later "blesses" him with other children. Can someone shout allelujah? God is here with replacement children.

4) Biological warfare. Job's case is one of the many cases the Almighty uses disease to inflict suffering on others. When a militant religious group uses disease to kill others, do not be surprised....oh wait

ijawkid:


Here you are again going gaga...

From the jobs account u read was it Yahweh who killed jobs family or satan??

Just answer d lil question....

emöfine2: To be honest this is one of the most unfortunate story I've ever read in the bible and I have never gleaned anything spiritual or higher from it (aside from job describing the elements and the power of his god).

It made me wonder if we are mere pawns in an egotistical battle between god and his adversary...their contention was so that it interfered with and affected the life of another and in extension his family, employees, livestock and charities for the duration of their bet. So in essence it was not only the life of one man that was interfered with and I doubt those that were rendered as collateral damage were directly compensated for during the period of their own loss.

And the most preposterous part of the story is that in the end Job had another batch of 10 children who were said to be even more beautiful than the last set. Would it even matter if they were not attractive or even less attractive than the last 10?...a child is irreplaceable talkless of ten...you cannot cement that loss with beauty.

Albeit I understand that trials may exist to make one stronger or refine their character but the manner in which this occurred - to prove a point to the devil about job who was already "perfect" - was pretty callous in my opinion of course.

ijawkid: logicboy.....

u no well...lol ....if u were attentive to d discussion btw God n Satan u wuldnt b putin up this post..

logicboy01:

Did God give Satan permission to destroy, yes or no?

buzugee: Satan why art thou persecuting me ?

buzugee: Satan how art thou things searched out ?

buzugee: Thou comest froth iniquity and hence i shall refine thee like gold is refined and try you like silver is tried. i will leave thee in the midst thereof in 10000000 degrees heat and melt you in the midst thereof. and ye shall know that the lord of armies has an indignation with ye

buzugee: Ye are off your father the devil and the will of thee father will thee doest

uhonmora: a lil offtopic. i wonder if the author of job was actually in heaven to record the conversation between God and Satan.

dekung: First off, that story, like most other stories in the bible including that of Moses, David and solomon, never happened. However, if the even actually took place like it was described then I dont think I want to serve an egotistical God who will use me to boast before his opponent only for him to allow his opponent to destroy all that I have worked including my children. Even if I have 200 other children does it relplace the relationsip that existed between me and one who were collaterally damaged by God?
I have two beautiful children now and I cannot trade their lives for anything even for the promise of more beautiful children.

FXKing2012: I'm tired of hearing these atheists making absolutely no sense but thinking they are making sense. How is the story of Job different from that of Abraham whom God tested his faith, he passed the test and God made him greater than he cld have ever imagined.
Job's faith was tested - God even boasted that Job is a righteous man who wldnt deny Him - and he (Job) was made greater than he ever was or ever cld have been.
As an engineer, when u build a new piece of machinery, you put it to the test to see how reliable it is. As a pharmacist, when u develop a new drug you test it to see how efficacious it is, etc etc. We are God's creation and there is nothing bad in Him testing our faith in Him.

logicboy01:


Can your family be replaced like a faulty car? Should God kill your family like Job's just to test your faith?


It seems God plays mortal kombat "test your might" and when you mess up "fatality"

FXKing2012:

I've always told u not to talk abt the Bible cos u dont have the spiritual standing to understand it. God never killed Job's family; in fact, Job's family wld not have died if he had not left the protective shield covering him and his family. Job was a very fearful man and his fear made satan to have access to him. But the good thing is he (Job) believed in God strong enough not to deny God.
Pls get knowledge and stop exposing ur folly!