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Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Ubenedictus(m): 3:30am On Feb 01, 2013 |
Delafruita:nah, its history went futher back, it didnt just land it developed as a communual prayer the doctrine of purgatory came into existence in 1428AD at a time the church was seeking to raise funds to wage warrs of conquest.nah, d doctrine of purgatory came centuries dat date, infact its history can be traced back to judaism, then to d xtians area and d church fadas like origen, ambrose of milan, gregory d great, council of lyon etc. It far preceeds d date u put up. Purgatory wasnt invented during d crusades. Get ur history right the doctrine of trinity came from constanstine who proclaimed "houinoosios" meaning "of one essence".a philosophy he got from platoit goes futher back, into d Nt era, down to justin and co, tertullian and co, b4 d council of nicea, besides constantine didnt suggest that word nor was he part of d real arguements. there is actually evidence for easter celebration in the Bible.Jesus said "do this in remembrance of me" and since then the apostles and early christians observed the day of his ressurection which fell on 14th day of Nisan.however,the catholics decided to rather celebrate the death rather than the resurrection and brought it to 12th day of Nisan.where did u get the date shifting from? i wonder why you cant take a few minutes to do some reading.just arguing baselessly.even a f.ool knows the catholics compiled the Bible and did so selectively.the catholics werent perfect,infact they were far from perfect.Popes had wives,concubines and even committed incest.they waged wars and demanded huge amounts for short stay in purgatory and limbo,but the fact is they created christianity and made it what it is.your list of d cath church flaws is spot on, good work. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Ubenedictus(m): 3:34am On Feb 01, 2013 |
[quote author=frosbel][/quote] d pagans also have "holy books" does that make d bible false? Ur logic is defective, muslims have beads doesnt make d rosary beads false. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Ubenedictus(m): 3:43am On Feb 01, 2013 |
Delafruita:anyone who reads d above must read it with a heavy dose of salt. D bible wasnt compiled in nicea, d synod of rome, council of hippo and council of cathage were responsible, d documents of d synod of rome are no longer exant. And during d time of constantine there was no "co-mediatrix" group. Christmas started before constatine so it is inaccurate to credit christmas to constantine. Dala abeg correct urself |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Nobody: 2:22pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
tobechi20: Logic boy, this is the ist time ure making small sence.who told you catholics formed christianity?christianity is not a religion but a way of life started by jesus christ,the author and finisher of our faith;catholics only highjacked and corrupted it cos none of their worship and practices can be traced to jesus nor the early apostles which are the true new testament writers.catholism is pagan 3 Likes |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Nobody: 2:40pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: d pagans also have "holy books" does that make d bible false? Ur logic is defective, muslims have beads doesnt make d rosary beads false. show me in the bible were we are asked to pray with beads. 3 Likes |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by ijawkid(m): 6:01pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: d pagans also have "holy books" does that make d bible false? Ur logic is defective,muslims have beads doesnt make d rosary beads false. How can you make the bolded comparison ??.........all this to support the pagan use of beads in worship??......eh UBE??....... |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by plappville(f): 10:30pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
Segeggs: who told you catholics formed christianity?christianity is not a religion but a way of life started by jesus christ,the author and finisher of our faith;catholics only highjacked and corrupted it cos none of their worship and practices can be traced to jesus nor the early apostles which are the true new testament writers.catholism is pagan Thank you my broda, enlighten the people. Christianity is not a religion like you have said. Very correct. It was mentioned in the Scriptures, this is how the none believers see/call those that believe and practice the ways of Christ. Catholic was not yet, when the world Christian was used in the Scripture. Acts 11:26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch. Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?" |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Joeiordye: 4:16am On Feb 08, 2013 |
truthislight:Whatever |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Jeel: 7:27am On Feb 08, 2013 |
Where is my Frosbel? |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Ubenedictus(m): 8:46am On Feb 09, 2013 |
frosbel:show me in the bible where pastors were asked to preach with microphone |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Ubenedictus(m): 8:47am On Feb 09, 2013 |
ijawkid:d comparism is spot on! Ur logic if feebel and defective. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Ubenedictus(m): 8:52am On Feb 09, 2013 |
plappville:d pipo who follow christ came to be known as christians, and their asembly came to be know as the catholic church. No contradiction there. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Ubenedictus(m): 8:55am On Feb 09, 2013 |
Segeggs: who told you catholics formed christianity?christianity is not a religion but a way of life started by jesus christ,the author and finisher of our faith;catholics only highjacked and corrupted it cos none of their worship and practices can be traced to jesus nor the early apostles which are the true new testament writers.catholism is paganwhat is the definition of "religion"? If catholicism is pagan den all dat came thru d catholic church is pagan abi? So d collection of books u call bible is pagan abi 'cos it was compile by catholic bishops! |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Anyigala(m): 11:19am On Feb 09, 2013 |
truthislight: 1. The same Church that added additional 27 books to the OT to give you this Bible you have today. Secondly, I explained the biblical basis of Rosary which is quite self explanatory if you had made any effort to read it. If I can trust the Bible the gave me, then I certainly will trust the Rosary which is very and truly biblical. 2. My claim is based on common sense, from the 1st to late 3rd centuries, there was nothing like the Bible you have now. The Church decided to add 27 books to the OT , these 27 books were selected from more than 250 other books/ letters read in some Churches at that time. If you have access to all these books today, will you be able to select the same books that makesup the NT we have now? The Church through the power of the Holy Spirit chose 27 books as inspired Books that would eventually form the NT. Holy Spirit didn't stop working in the Church after that, it continued and is still working in the Church today. The Church 1800 year ago is organically the same Church it is today. If you have ever read some of the things the early Church fathers wrote, you will know that the Church didn't deviate, Martin Luther and John Calvin together with 100's of other Church founders in the last 500 years deviated. 3. Christ most certainly handed the Keys ( key signifies authority in Christ's time) to Peter and he told Peter to feed and tend His sheep. He also says to Peter that he will build His Church upon him. Christ says this not me, you can try to interpret it how you like but its as clear as morning sky. The rest of your claims doesn't deserve my answer because they are quite frankly, childish and baseless claims that you cannot back up with any fact or evidence. John Henry Cardinal Newman once said, "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant." By the way Cardinal Newman was an Anglican in the 18th century England and one of the greatest minds of his generation, he hated Catholic Church somuch that he decided to debunk all Her claims, before the end of his research he converted to Catholicism. 1 Like |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by truthislight: 10:31pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
Anyigala: it was a straith forward thing to pick out the writings of the apostles = NT. Just ensure that you dont belief stuff that contradict their instructions. Peace. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Ubenedictus(m): 10:56am On Feb 10, 2013 |
truthislight:intarasting, so d cath church u call pagan also picked d apostles writtings? Wow, |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by realistically: 2:29pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
Anyigala: Frosbel your hatred for anything Catholic has turned to obsession and you keep digging up all kinds of silly and frankly, weak articles and videos to bash Catholic Church. Every week you will write or dig up one useless article to attack Catholic Church. When you get hammered, you open up another tread. I try as much as possible to ignore your treads but I cannot help it when you deceive so many people that know very little about the topic.God bless you for this,Catholics like you give me hope....so many people who profess the Catholic faith dont even know anything about the Faith.......they were just born into it. I returned to the catholic church after many years as a protestant(my parents left when i was still very young) and that is one of my greatest blessings......That I found my way back home. I have a better and closer relationship with God than I ever did as a protestant,I am still learning though......May Our Lady,Queen of all Hearts continue to point us in the direction of her Son,Our Lord and Saviour,Jesus Christ.Amen. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Neddivine: 6:28pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
For me i'm not vast in the history of the bible.But this thread seems to have one thing in common which is that catholics compiled the bible which is questionable to me till i can find solid historical proof.However let's just assume catholics compiled the bible: 1)This simply means they never wrote the bible but compiled manuscripts that were already existing.God could have used anyone to do this.He used Kings Cyrus and Artexerxes who are pegan kings to rebuild the house of God and the city of Jerusalem when Israel was driven to captivity.He used a dumb ass to speak to an erring prophet.He used ordinary ravens to feed Elijah....I could continue. 2)and for the bishops that were claimed to have compile scriptures,I personally percieve that catholics didn't start off in error.It is possible that at the time of these bishops there was true worship of God and none of these catholic idolatrous practices & doctrines.The errors may possibly have been added generations later by false worshippers which errors unfortunately have continued as the devil would have it till now.This is true today of many churches today that started well with the sound doctrine of righteousness and eternal life in Christ but have veered off to ungodly proffessions & lifestyles especially those that unconsiously propergate eternal security by teaching that once you're saved, you're forever saved no matter how many sins you willfully commit afterwards because christ has already paid for and pardoned your past,present and future sins.This is the unconscious erronous teaching ravaging most churches worlwide these last days especially in America and UK.This is why there are so many ungoldy lifestyled individuals speaking in tongues and claiming born again these last days.Its good to point to the errors of the catholic church while also exposing general errors in christiendom worldwide so we can fight and pray for their correction. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Neddivine: 6:41pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
Neddivine:.He used a dumb Bottom to speak to an erring prophet. My sincere appologies for the above error.I actually wrote and meant "He used a dumb ass to speak to an erring prophet." I'm typing with my small type pad phone. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Anyigala(m): 6:47pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
Neddivine: For me i'm not vast in the history of the bible.But this thread seems to have one thing in common which is that catholics compiled the bible which is questionable to me till i can find solid historical proof.However let's just assume catholics compiled the bible: Sorry, but you are not making sense. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Neddivine: 6:47pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
WHY IS IT THAT I POST THE WORD FOR THE TYPE OF HORSE THAT BALAAM USED WHICH SPOKE WHEN THE ANGEL STOOD ON THEIR WAY BUT THE NAIRALAND SYSTEM SEEMS TO CHANGE THAT VERY WORD TO "BOTTOM" WHEN I INTEND NO PROFANITY.MODERATORS SHOULD PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Anyigala(m): 6:55pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
realistically: God bless you for this,Catholics like you give me hope....so many people who profess the Catholic faith dont even know anything about the Faith.......they were just born into it. I returned to the catholic church after many years as a protestant(my parents left when i was still very young) and that is one of my greatest blessings......That I found my way back home. I have a better and closer relationship with God than I ever did as a protestant,I am still learning though......May Our Lady,Queen of all Hearts continue to point us in the direction of her Son,Our Lord and Saviour,Jesus Christ.Amen.Thank you and welcome back home! What we have in Catholic Church is the fullness of truth and it troubles me when I read some misinformed individuals posting absolutely trash on this forum just to bash Catholic Church. Us Catholics need to learn about our faith, the information is easily accessible online. Maybe God continue to shower you with His grace and wisdom. See you in the Eucharistic. 1 Like |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Neddivine: 6:57pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
I TYPE THE OLD WORD FOR DONKEY WHICH IS SPELT "A+S+S" BUT BY THE TIME I POST IT THE SYSTEM CHANGES IT TO THE WORD "BOTTOM". I USE THE AUTHORISED KING JAMES BIBLE AND I WAS TRYING TO REFERENCE NUMBERS 22:23 ABOUT THE DUMB DUNKEY AND THE ERRING PROTHET BALAAM.MODERATORS PLEASE HELP. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Neddivine: 7:03pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
[quote author=Neddivine]For me i'm not vast in the history of the bible.But this thread seems to have one thing in common which is that catholics compiled the bible which is questionable to me till i can find solid historical proof.However let's just assume catholics compiled the bible: 1)This simply means they never wrote the bible but compiled manuscripts that were already existing.God could have used anyone to do this.He used Kings Cyrus and Artexerxes who are pegan kings to rebuild the house of God and the city of Jerusalem when Israel was driven to captivity. He used a dumb ass to speak to an erring prophet. I TYPE THE OLD WORD FOR DONKEY WHICH IS SPELT "A+S+S" BUT BY THE TIME I POST IT THE SYSTEM CHANGES IT TO THE WORD "BOTTOM". I USE THE AUTHORISED KING JAMES BIBLE AND I WAS TRYING TO REFERENCE NUMBERS 22:23 ABOUT THE DUMB DUNKEY AND THE ERRING PROTHET BALAAM.MODERATORS PLEASE HELP. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Neddivine: 7:11pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
Anyigala: Sorry, but you are not making sense. No I won't make sense to u cos I'm not addressing u.I'm addressing those who have the cloak removed enough from their eyes to see that catholics are unconsciously deeply invoved in idol worship. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by realistically: 7:21pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
Anyigala:Thank you.....we really need to learn about our faith....I thank God for the loving and understanding priests at my parish......They've explained a lot of stuff to me..... |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by truthislight: 7:33pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
Neddivine: WHY IS IT THAT I POST THE WORD FOR THE TYPE OF HORSE THAT BALAAM USED WHICH SPOKE WHEN THE ANGEL STOOD ON THEIR WAY BUT THE NAIRALAND SYSTEM SEEMS TO CHANGE THAT VERY WORD TO "BOTTOM" WHEN I INTEND NO PROFANITY.MODERATORS SHOULD PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS. lol. you meant to write dumb ar.ss. The system always change the word ars.s to "bottom" |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by truthislight: 7:55pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
Neddivine: Anyigala: well said. But you can only take the horse to the stream but cannot force it to drink. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Anyigala(m): 10:53pm On Feb 10, 2013 |
Neddivine: Anyigala: I still maintain, with all due respect, that your initial write up makes no sense or has any substance, It's full of assumptions. When you get some hard historical facts to disprove all I have said , then I will engage you on a debate. Before then, I suggest you read some of the writing of the Church Fathers in the 1st to 5 centuries and decide for yourself if the Church actually committed theological or biblical errors in her teachings. |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Ubenedictus(m): 10:45am On Feb 11, 2013 |
Neddivine: For me i'm not vast in the history of the bible.But this thread seems to have one thing in common which is that catholics compiled the bible which is questionable to me till i can find solid historical proof.However let's just assume catholics compiled the bible:another claim is d apostle were catholics. 2)and for the bishops that were claimed to have compile scriptures,I personally percieve that catholics didn't start off in error.It is possible that at the time of these bishops there was true worship of God and none of these catholic idolatrous practices & doctrines.The errors may possibly have been added generations later by false worshippers which errors unfortunately have continued as the devil would have it till now.actually my dear everything professed in d cath church today comes from dos early christian. Im very happy to say d cath church didnt moved off track. This is true today of many churches today that started well with the sound doctrine of righteousness and eternal life in Christ but have veered off to ungodly proffessions & lifestyles especially those that unconsiously propergate eternal security by teaching that once you're saved, you're forever saved no matter how many sins you willfully commit afterwards because christ has already paid for and pardoned your past,present and future sins.This is the unconscious erronous teaching ravaging most churches worlwide these last days especially in America and UK.This is why there are so many ungoldy lifestyled individuals speaking in tongues and claiming born again these last days.once saved always saved isnt a new doctrine in protestanism, it is one of d founding doctrines of calvin and co. Its good to point to the errors of the catholic church while also exposing general errors in christiendom worldwide so we can fight and pray for their correction.what errors are u talking abt? |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Ubenedictus(m): 10:47am On Feb 11, 2013 |
Neddivine: Anyigala:hahaha, like joshua abi? |
Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by Ubenedictus(m): 10:49am On Feb 11, 2013 |
Anyigala:i 2nd d last advise |
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