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Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by manny4life(m): 3:22pm On Jul 10, 2012
Kobojunkie: And just like that this thread is fast looking same as the Goodluck Jonathan threads. Na wa ooo!!! grin grin grin cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy grin grin grin


While you worry your head about the thread, worry about getting the FEIN of the companies I listed.... cheesy cheesy cheesy

Exponental:
hw can it carry more than 170million people wen nigeria has abt 170 million pple.
170 passenger would be better said.

170 million is very possible for a state that has about 15million residents with less than 30% of the population with cars (estimate)
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Katsumoto: 3:24pm On Jul 10, 2012
Exponental:
hw can it carry more than 170million people wen nigeria has abt 170 million pple.
170 passenger would be better said.

170 passengers in 3 years??

170 million does not mean different people; just simply means unit usage assuming many users are repeat users.

Lets look at the numbers

A conservative estimate of the population of Lagos is 18 million.
If only 50,000 people use the BRT everyday and make 4 journeys, you get 200,000 users in a day. I am assuming each journey to work requires at least 2 trips.
200,000 journeys for 300 days in a year is 60,000,000 per year.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Kobojunkie: 3:26pm On Jul 10, 2012
manny4life:


While you worry your head about the thread, worry about getting the FEIN of the companies I listed.... cheesy cheesy cheesy

Get over your idiocy already . . . your arguments on that thread made no sense. And yes, I get it, according to you, sending email, even to the IRS online, to receive information is PAID Access, and probably calling them over the phone is also paid access. Now you can clap for yourself . . .

Kobojunkie: See reasons . .. . excuses .. . insults flying . . ..

same elements you find on your typical Goodluck Jonathan thread . .. same tactics used by the Goodluck Jonathan jobbers. Na wa ooo!!! grin grin grin cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy grin grin grin
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by mbhs139(m): 3:28pm On Jul 10, 2012
Kobojunkie:

No, that is not what he is saying.

Take a lesson from Americans. Many of those who LOVE OBAMA, and already plan to vote him back in office in November, readily admit that he is doing good but there is still a whole lot of improvement needed, and a lot of misses too. And they can go at length with you on these. This is why I admire a lot of them.
Even the celebrities(I know we like to think that many of them are out of the touch when it comes to the concerns of the average man), they are educated on the issues enough to give you details on what Obama has done wrong, and what is he still doing wrong and where he needs to change but at the end of the day, they are still wearing there "Vote Obama" teeshirts. And this applies to the ordinary Americans out there too. They criticize even those they support, OPENLY too, and would readily jump boats if their choice decides to take them, or Americans, for granted. They are not puppets. They are intelligent beings who are do not have their tongues stuck to the arse of politicians.

These are the kind of people Nigeria needs. We don't need puppets for the Politicians or arse-lickers. We need real Nigerians, not afraid to criticize even when they choose to stand.

I agree with you totally. But mind your use of language next time.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Afam4eva(m): 3:28pm On Jul 10, 2012
bayooooooo: In as much as I detest looking to the West for validation (what's good is good irrespective of the source), I rate the performance of Fasola as excellent. He is a good administrator and equally good at managing the unquenchable appetite of political jobbers hanging on his neck. He is one of the reasons why all hope is not yet lost for Nigeria.



If you rate Fashola's administration as excellent then it means we don't have hope as a nation. Let's be careful with the kind of words we use.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Kobojunkie: 3:29pm On Jul 10, 2012
mbhs139:

I agree with you totally. But mind your use of language next time.

No I won't!
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Akanbiedu(m): 3:29pm On Jul 10, 2012
all4naija: Is anybody against BRT or just the quality of works done around the project? Like the roads, the bus stop and the surroundings of the entire Lagos state.

Please, let not allow sentiment to becloud what we can do better and accept less. We can be as good in development as any other developed nations. Some third world countries are doing it clean and better. So, why can we do the same?

These things are generally relative. Before you judge, you need to ask how was Lagos before and how is it now? What are the resources available to Lagos, what are the challengesetc?

What you are comparing are not the same in the real sense of it. Just like counting numbers, a man that counts from -20 to zero(0) has done more than the other that counts from 0 to 10. Yet if you compare 10 to 0, 10 is definitely bigger. So it is largely unfair and unreasonable to compare Lagos now, to those places without considering other factors like the budgets, the population and even the rate of increase in the population.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Nobody: 3:31pm On Jul 10, 2012
Katsumoto:

Your post ignores a few things

1. The effect of extensive migration on scarce resources. A project may have been commissioned to cater for 100 people but by the time it is finished, 150 are using it leading to significant deterioration.

2. Resources are scarce and many infrastructure have been left to rot for many years. If a new administrator focuses on a few of many, he/she will be seen as a failure. However, if he/she tries to use scarce funds on many projects, the likelihood is that the end project will not be top notch. But you can at least put it in a state that makes the job easier for the next administrator. Its simply a case of lose either way.

Expecting Lagos to look like Dubai when Lagos has 5% of Dubai's budget and 1000% of its population is asking too much. Just my opinion.
Migration is not the issue with this one because it has a little effect on a good finished work. At least we can see how the beautification of the midway with green comes out nicely then left the pavement to be filled with sands. Sands which will eventually mess up the green later spoiling the good work. There is a simple approach to every thing. It doesn't necessarily means it has to be expensive and world largest as they are done in Dubai but modestly beautiful and clean.

There are many countries which take into details works done but the other way round is the case with what I am seeing in those picture.

Above all, if I am living in Lagos city I would definitely vote Fashola for the second term as the governor but, I would be happy to points out where attention should be focus in doing those works properly.

It doesn't take rocket science to make works look good and neat. Like the pavement can simply be filled with cement which large quantity can be gotten from the cement factory around the world if it very expensive to purchase in Nigeria. Pour in the cement and make the surface smooth and draw some horizontal yellow lines close to the edge on where people can have limit to walk on. In fact there is need for sanitizing of the whole system.

No doubt, the governor is doing a great job but more can be done in beautification, sophistication, neatness and better works
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by manny4life(m): 3:34pm On Jul 10, 2012
Kobojunkie:

Get over your idiocy already . . . your arguments on that thread made no sense. And yes, I get it, according to you, sending email, even to the IRS online, to receive information is PAID Access.


Madam I too know, get over my idiocy? Because I exposed your emptiness? cheesy cheesy cheesy LOL, aren't you the fo.ol yourself. I guess it made so much sense that you did not know all the websites you visited were FREE. grin grin grin

LOL, oh so now, it's paid access? cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy shioor, arguing blindly like sh.it, like she knows it all, YET dumb and foo.lish. I told you yesterday it was paid access, but in you infinite wisdom, you claimed it was "FREE ACCESS ONLINE", I tell you , give me the website where it's free access online, you change your story to, "so if I email IRS and BBB", really, you need to your behavior, really not helping you.

Can I borrow that your emoticon that looks bamboozled? grin grin grin


Again,

Give me the website where you have free access "ONLINE"?
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Akanbiedu(m): 3:38pm On Jul 10, 2012
It is regrettable that kobokobo(a m-o-r-o-nic fence sitter like that) is actually trying to liken defending Fashola( A man with known achievements) to defending GEJ (A man of no known achievement with uncountable broken promises). How can you even compare death to sleep?

This is the problem with neutralists, they generally don't understand.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Nobody: 3:39pm On Jul 10, 2012
Akanbi_edu:

These things are generally relative. Before you judge, you need to ask how was Lagos before and how is it now? What are the resources available to Lagos, what are the challengesetc?

What you are comparing are not the same in the real sense of it. Just like counting numbers, a man that counts from -20 to zero(0) has done more than the other that counts from 0 to 10. Yet if you compare 10 to 0, 10 is definitely bigger. So it is largely unfair and unreasonable to compare Lagos now, to those places without considering other factors like the budgets, the population and even the rate of increase in the population.
No! You're missing the point. Doing a good work is not going to look like counting-numbers analogy. Every country know what neatness means,and better works stand for. Indeed, there is no excuse to do a great job as the BRT and left the areas looking shabby and making the whole work looks poorly done.

Look,really a neat job can make a difference in all of these projects going on in Lagos state. It is a simple secret to all the hard-works he has been doing.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Kobojunkie: 3:40pm On Jul 10, 2012
Akanbi_edu: It is regrettable that kobokobo(a m-o-r-o-nic fence sitter like that) is actually trying to liken defending Fashola( A man with known achievements) to defending GEJ (A man of no known achievement with uncountable broken promises). How can you even compare death to sleep?

This is the problem with neutralists, they generally don't understand.

See what I mean . . . The same tactics

Kobojunkie: See reasons . .. . excuses .. . insults flying . . ..

same elements you find on your typical Goodluck Jonathan thread . .. same tactics used by the Goodluck Jonathan jobbers. Na wa ooo!!! grin grin grin cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy grin grin grin
EVen T.A Orji don join their ranks . . . grin grin
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Nobody: 3:43pm On Jul 10, 2012
afam4eva:
If you rate Fashola's administration as excellent then it means we don't have hope as a nation. Let's be careful with the kind of words we use.

Tell me what do you think Fasola should have done better or in a different way?
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Akanbiedu(m): 3:46pm On Jul 10, 2012
Kobojunkie:

See what I mean . . . The same tactics

EVen T.A Orji don join their ranks . . . grin grin

Kobokobo, now that you got the foreign link to this piece of news, what is your opinion about the topic "Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa - US"?
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Kobojunkie: 3:48pm On Jul 10, 2012
** digging into the box of tricks that I know these political jobbers are known to use ****

I see the "ONLY CRITICIZE IF YOU ARE WILLING TO PROFFER SOLUTIONS" line coming next . . . and the trick is if you DARE to engage, you will be told your solution is foolish . . . even though the whole exercise is meaningless at the end of the day since the Government doesn't really come to Nairaland for SOLUTIONS . . . ROFLMAO!!
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Akanbiedu(m): 3:50pm On Jul 10, 2012
Rewind,

Akanbi_edu:

Kobokobo, now that you got the foreign link to this piece of news, what is your opinion about the topic "Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa - US"?

If you have nothing to contribute, GET THE F=U-CK OUT OF THIS THREAD FOREVER.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Nobody: 3:51pm On Jul 10, 2012
Kobojunkie: ** digging into the box of tricks that I know these political jobbers are known to use ****

I see the "ONLY CRITICIZE IF YOU ARE WILLING TO PROFFER SOLUTIONS" line coming next . . . and the trick is if you DARE to engage, you will be told your solution is foolish . . . even though the whole exercise is meaningless at the end of the day since the Government doesn't really come to Nairaland for SOLUTIONS . . . ROFLMAO!!

It's called constructive criticism.

You don't just label a government failure because your instincts ask you to do so. You base your judgement on facts and tangibles that are independently verifiable. If you can't fault what a fellow has done and you can't proffer a better alternative, there is no basis for criticism.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Kobojunkie: 3:56pm On Jul 10, 2012
bayooooooo:

It's called constructive criticism.

You don't just label a government failure because your instincts ask you to do so. You base your judgement on facts and tangibles that are independently verifiable. If you can't fault what a fellow has done and you can't proffer a better alternative, there is no basis for criticism.

So you assume you are talking to someone who does not know what the phrase "Constructive criticism" means right?

Sorry, but it has nothing to do with PROFERRING BRAINLESS SOLUTIONS . .. that one is wholly a silly exercise that many Nigerians like to engage in to, I don't know, convince themselves that they contribute to development by doing so.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by AjanleKoko: 3:57pm On Jul 10, 2012
all4naija: Every country know what neatness means,and better works stand for. Indeed, there is no excuse to do a great job as the BRT and left the areas looking shabby and making the whole work looks poorly done.

Look,really a neat job can make a difference in all of these projects going on in Lagos state. It is a simple secret to all the hard-works he has been doing.

Truth be told, I doubt Nigerians know the meaning of 'neat'. Especially Lagosians. People are dirty as pigs. Just like Indians.
Shoddy construction like that is also prevalent in Indian public infrastructure, except for airports, and the privately-owned tech parks in Bangalore and Hyderabad.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Kobojunkie: 3:57pm On Jul 10, 2012
Akanbi_edu: Rewind,
If you have nothing to contribute, GET THE F=U-CK OUT OF THIS THREAD FOREVER.

Exactly what I mean . . . The same tactics! And if you find the above element on another thread, you will find him trying to pretend he can reasonably contribute to that thread. . . grin grin grin grin

Kobojunkie: See reasons . .. . excuses .. . insults flying . . ..

same elements you find on your typical Goodluck Jonathan thread . .. same tactics used by the Goodluck Jonathan jobbers. Na wa ooo!!! grin grin grin cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy grin grin grin
EVen T.A Orji don join their ranks . . . grin grin
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Akanbiedu(m): 4:02pm On Jul 10, 2012
Akanbi_edu:

Kobokobo, now that you got the foreign link to this piece of news, what is your opinion about the topic "Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa - US"?
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by ronkebp(f): 4:06pm On Jul 10, 2012
Sometimes i wonder why people have to fight or insult eachother on a thread that has to do with the positive aspects of Nigeria, i do not understand the necessity of some arguements where we have to go back and forth with one another,...if you are too intelligent, just try to make the country a better place with your wisdom and intellect, no need wasting it on arguements.

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Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Nobody: 4:15pm On Jul 10, 2012
Kobojunkie:

So you assume you are talking to someone who does not know what the phrase "Constructive criticism" means right?

Sorry, but it has nothing to do with PROFERRING BRAINLESS SOLUTIONS . .. that one is wholly a silly exercise that many Nigerians like to engage in to, I don't know, convince themselves that they contribute to development by doing so.

You think you know it but truth be told you don't know anything about constructive criticism. You believe in unachievable idealism.
If you can't even fault what is done, it is safe to assume you can't improve upon it.

Nigerians don't engage in silly exercise by brainstorming and exchanging ideas on how they felt the developmental efforts of the nation can be enhanced. A truly good and spectacular idea from this forum can get implemented if brought to the attention of people in authority.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Afam4eva(m): 4:19pm On Jul 10, 2012
bayooooooo:

Tell me what do you think Fasola should have done better or in a different way?
It's not about what he should have done differentely but about what he has not done. Do you know how many bad roads there are in Lagos? What about execiting people oriented projects? If were to rate Fashola on a scale of 100, I'll give hime 60%. Mind you I'm judging him based on Nigerian standard. Btw, it seems you don't live in Nigeria because I find it rather preposterous for anyone to score him excellend except the person is an ACN member. Are you?
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Nobody: 4:29pm On Jul 10, 2012
afam4eva:
It's not about what he should have done differentely but about what he has not done. Do you know how many bad roads there are in Lagos? What about execiting people oriented projects? If were to rate Fashola on a scale of 100, I'll give hime 60%. Mind you I'm judging him based on Nigerian standard. Btw, it seems you don't live in Nigeria because I find it rather preposterous for anyone to score him excellend except the person is an ACN member. Are you?

I am not an ACN member but if I were to join party politics in Nigeria today, I would not hesitate to join ACN.

But I know all roads in Lagos are not state roads. In fact, many strategic Federal roads in Lagos for instance Oshodi-Apapa express way among others are in a deplorable condition and Fasola can not take blame for such. So when we ask "Do you know how many bad roads there are in Lagos?", we should put it in right perspective. Besides, I don't expect one administration to fix all the bad roads in Lagos before the term excellent can be given to such a government.

When you said exciting people oriented projects? What exactly does that meant? If a project is useful to the generality of Lagosians and can help reduce a burden, that to me is exciting.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Akanbiedu(m): 4:30pm On Jul 10, 2012
It appears Kobo has no OPINION in this matter.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by babapupa: 4:32pm On Jul 10, 2012
all4naija: No! You're missing the point. Doing a good work is not going to look like counting-numbers analogy. Every country know what neatness means,and better works stand for. Indeed, there is no excuse to do a great job as the BRT and left the areas looking shabby and making the whole work looks poorly done.

Look,really a neat job can make a difference in all of these projects going on in Lagos state. It is a simple secret to all the hard-works he has been doing.

Slow down please. This project is still on going and you have no idea regarding the final look or aesthetics. Going on and on about looks when the thing is not ready makes no sense, its insane. If you have the blueprintt, please share it with us.

It you want them to make the project gold plated, please show your generosity by writing them a check and if you think laying concrete over tens if miles is the best way to go, where is the money going to cone from? You siting here running your mouth?

We all love blings and beautiful things, but we still have to be realistic with our expectations and needless criticisms. Yes we want everything to look like America, hut America started almost 300 years ago and in top of that, America is a very rich country and its cities with fewer populations operates with higher budgets than lagos in Nigeria starting from scratch.



Now, as a reasonable human with 40 naira in your pocket to build a metro rail, but you need 10 naira extra that you don't have for beautification, do you sit on your hands and do nothing to help your own people because you don't have money to design sidewalk?

Is it safe to conclude that you as a leader won't do anything till you have extra money to make everything looks like what's obtained in America?

Also, do you know better than the folks handling this project.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Afam4eva(m): 4:38pm On Jul 10, 2012
bayooooooo:

I am not an ACN member but if I were to join party politics in Nigeria today, I would not hesitate to join ACN.

But I know all roads in Lagos are not state roads. In fact, many strategic Federal roads in Lagos for instance Oshodi-Apapa express way among others are in a deplorable condition and Fasola can not take blame for such. So when we ask "Do you know how many bad roads there are in Lagos?", we should put it in right perspective. Besides, I don't expect one administration to fix all the bad roads in Lagos before the term excellent can be given to such a government.

When you said exciting people oriented projects? What exactly does that meant? If a project is useful to the generality of Lagosians and can help reduce a burden, that to me is exciting.
I'm not saying Fashola has done badly. But there's still a whole lot to be done. As far as i'm concerned, he's has not even gone halfway of solving the many problems of lagos state. Though he has done well so far and that why words like "Good" exist in the dictionary. If you rate him excellent, it simply means that he can go to rest because there's nothing left to be done again.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Akanbiedu(m): 4:45pm On Jul 10, 2012
all4naija: www.nairaland.com/attachments/751169_Obanikoro20Bus20Stop_jpg058e8e8bd786d6a3cf3f3b83c4514afa

Take a closer look at the extreme top right-hand corner of the image where there are people walking on the poor pavement. Jeez! Nigerians are good with incomplete work. It is annoying though!

As I wrote before, you need to know what was, what is and "available resources" before making your assessment. A good example is the picture here. I don't have a picture of what this place used to look like but I know it was pretty dirty. Matter of fact, Lagosians dumped refuse here at a time. I also know a lot of money has been spent in bringing it to this level. The green grass there and those trees were not there. Not that there is no room for improvement though.

I think Lagos govt needs to start taking pictures before embarking on physical projects like this. It is always good to make people remember what has been done because we all tend to forget as soon as a problem is solved.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by TheShopKeeper(m): 4:47pm On Jul 10, 2012
With all the hatred towards the Fashola administration, how many of the other state governors' during their first term did what Fashola managed to achieve within a short period of time with regards to the transportation system in Lagos.
We know how bad it was before the BRT system and at least it is working, although not perfect, but we will get there some day.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by Afam4eva(m): 4:49pm On Jul 10, 2012
TheShopKeeper: With all the hatred towards the Fashola administration, how many of the other state governors' during their first term did what Fashola managed to achieve within a short period of time with regards to the transportation system in Lagos.
We know how bad it was before the BRT system and at least it is working, although not perfect, but we will get there some day.
I'm sure this your statement was produced out of ignorance. Now, i ask you. How many states in Nigeria have you visited in Nigeria? Do you know that Enugu state had a similar transport system as at the time Lagos launched theirs but you won't know because you don't travel round the country, so your statements will be laced with ignorance.
Re: Lagos Mass Transit Model Good For Africa – US by OAM4J: 4:57pm On Jul 10, 2012
afam4eva:
I'm sure this your statement was produced out of ignorance. Now, i ask you. How many states in Nigeria have you visited in Nigeria? Do you know that Enugu state had a similar transport system as at the time Lagos launched theirs but you won't know because you don't travel round the country, so your statements will be laced with ignorance.

Really? I didn't know this too.

You mean Enugu had mass transit buses with dedicated roads before Lagos started thinking of BRT?

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