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Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by rhymz(m): 8:05am On Aug 02, 2012 |
damilarelr:There you go again confusing yourself with explanations that do no suffice; what do you mean by this: "When you say God, you're talking about 3 different personalities, yet the same one Person??" if each of these three different personalities is God, it there for means there are three different Gods in heaven. Again statement like this one is even more confusing: "The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 different personalities, coequal, coeternal members of the Godhead" If God the father is "unbegotten" and has always existed before Jesus Christ the Son was begotten, or created, or purposed, or established before time and ages as God, it therefore means that God and Jesus can not be coequal, neither are they coeternal because one was unbegotten while the other was begotten, simple. |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by UdembaBenjamin: 11:09am On Aug 02, 2012 |
odumchi: For some time I've been wondering whether or not Christianity should prohibit us from fully partaking in our tradition and cultural heritage.mmmmm my dears lets be realistic here, believe it or liv it, u can not serve two masters at d same time, ekpo, ekpe okonko as i kn is d south south traditions more especially cross riverians nd akwa ibom p'ple, have u ask urself y is it dat b4 ekpo will come out dey'll paint it black wit ashes mmmmm dat is d symbol of d demon, my dears dia is no relationship b/w light and darkness, dos traditions take u to heaven, christ has come to give us light and i ablogy u to embres d light, ekpo can only lead u to destruction nd poverty, have u p'ple gon nigeria, watch all d p'ple dat reverance tradition dat is wia u'll find d highest poor p'ple living in mod houses, pls brethren stick to Christ Jesus and have a fullfiled life |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by rhymz(m): 12:01pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
OMO IBO: What I've noticed recently is that parents especially fathers with titles do not reveal to their families exactly what really goes on when they attend meetings. All we see are the frills, thrills and pageantry.reminds me of when my grand Dad was seriously sick and suspected he was going to die anyways, he told my father without mincing words that if he eventually died that he wanted full traditional burials befitting of his age and tittle. Popsy got no choice, being the first son, besides, he was fully aware of all the traditional rites and participation required of him, he did them anyway. That was my first experience with some serious traditional stuff. Most of the things my dad did he never told us about them anyway but they were not evil though just the normal african tradition. I remember one his younger brother fronting Born again levels and refusal to participate, my popsy no even look im face sef. I intend to learn more about our traditions that christianity has all labelled evil and devilish, very annoying when one thinks about it in retrospect. |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by damilarelr(m): 12:59pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
rhymz: There you go again confusing yourself with explanations that do no suffice; what do you mean by this: "When you say God, you're talking about 3 different personalities, yet the same one Person??" Wait a minute, all I just explained might not be clear to you enough because they are MYSTERIES, human knowledge cannot phantom it. Such as God's ways are far above ours, it's not possible for a mortal man to fully understand the nature of the Godhead. The best way we can understand Him is by likening it to things that we can see and feel in our own human realm. Also, there are no three Gods in Heaven. I think you should ask God to reveal Himself to you so you can have your own true definition of Him. You said One was begotten; the Bible says a child is BORN, but unto us a Son is GIVEN.. Jesus was born naturally, but the God-nature in Jesus is the Christ after His name.. That's why His name is Jesus Christ, and not Jesus Joseph (His earthly father). Today we have many people bearing Jesus but none is Christ. He is coeternal because He and His Father are one..that He called God the Father doesn't mean the Father gave birth to Him like we have fathers here. I think you should read my previous comment again. |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by Ptolomeus(m): 4:54pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
oiseworld: I am not in the forum to insult people or gods, but you invited me. There may be people who worship wood ... (what you say) and there may be "selfmade gods". From what Iam very sure, is that there are people who worship the pastor pay tithes ... licking feet and worship the gods of the slavers who tortured, humiliated and murdered their ancestors ... Regarding "selfmade gods," I'll tell you that there is something worse than a "mad god" ... is a god who died hanging from a stick (as usually done with a pig) ... and that god begged, begged his father not to leave him ... but the father abandoned him, and died humiliated and begging, like an animal. Yes, I'm sure there are worse things to worship wood, and that a "mad god" Finally, I congratulate him on your education, probably is the result of a Christian college. My respects |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by PAGAN9JA(m): 5:12pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
damilarelr: I have already explained about the concept of Idolatory in countless previous threads : PAGAN 9JA: you need to stop diverting the topic. you worship yahweh but in fact you feel no true devtion towards this invisible being because of the reason i have explained above. IN FACT, since you cant properly worship the Supernatyral Forces, you christians have diverted all your energies to [size=32pt]MAN WORSHIP[/size] by worshiping jesus and following his manual with hidden evil messages. you worship man to the extent that you consider even GOD as being created[i] solely[/i] on the image of man. . MAN MAN [size=16pt]MAN![/size] and [size=32pt]in your arrognce, you even think that God looks like MAN![/size] |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by PAGAN9JA(m): 5:13pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
oiseworld: are you sick or wat |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by PAGAN9JA(m): 5:21pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
rhymz: And by the way kid, Christ as I know from the bible did not write any book, most of what you read in the bible are personal accounts that came much later after his death. Paul took advantage of Jesus's death knowing how the Jews saw him as the promised messiah( not in the Pauline sense) that will come and establish the kingdom of God on earth. Paul with his knowledge of Egypt, Greek mythology about gods like Osiris, Zeus, Baal etc and the jewish traditions fused everything together and started preaching against jewish laws which were the Laws Jesus once told the pharisees that he had come to fulfil and not destroy. wow i have heard of that guy. he is like PAGAN 9JA - Part 2 he is a proud Pagan Arna Maguzawa Haussa and very outspoken like me. We are a proud race of people! we have preserved ourselves amdist the dangerus vortex of islam for centuries and will continue to do so! |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by PAGAN9JA(m): 5:24pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
Chylo: again you are raving like a madman. GIVE ME PROOF! or are you just blabbing what them missionaries and your pastor say every Sunday and who are you to dictate religion to me in my own country we were here FIRST. you are just like unwelcome guests whom we will throw out soon. . |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by PAGAN9JA(m): 5:28pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
babamann: as far as i know jesus and god is white and we the black ppl are bad and devilish - open una mind, in fact i watch the discovery channel and was amazed that these names the bible has are all ancient greek names, were they greeks or a community of people who have lived all over the world trying to control them, for black history- read about the nubians and you will see that all values and traditions xtians use now were from them, and yes nubians were egyptians, embrace your traditions and beliefs nigerians,- europeans, chinese and indians do so happily, so why cant we, the government of china are triads, ppl say they are a gang but, in fact they are traditionalist who kept discipline through traditional values within their people to become the fifth world super power, all over the world, there are indian and chinese communities celebrating their traditions, how about us nigerians? in london here, when chinese new year comes in january or feb, the chinese man gives out food and drink for free, having a happy day, why cant we have nigeria day, its because we are trying to be something we are not, we were of the NOK empire, us nigerians, we reigned supreme over africa next to the egyptians till these people used our kind tradition for weakness, you might call our tradition useless but personally i would prefer our values to the christian or muslim traditions, they were just lookinh to take from us because were they come from is so gloomy and dry, from when we start respecting one another instead of callin each other black devil, we will prosper, a man who dont know where he is from, dont know were he is going WELL SAID!!!!!!! THE GODS BLESS!!!!! also what is disturbing is that we have national holidays for ramadan/eid and christmas but no National Holiday for our own Traditional and True Religions. |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by PAGAN9JA(m): 5:31pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
Ptolomeus: WoooOOOW those are some great words Ptolemus! Africa will only develop when she learns to respect herself and regain her identity and pride in work. |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by PAGAN9JA(m): 5:31pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
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Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by Ptolomeus(m): 5:36pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
Chylo:First, I do not think any traditionalist want to mingle with pro-slavery. Second, the only God craven is the God who died humiliated, hanging from a stick, pleading for his life. I regret to inform you that Satan does not exist in the traditional cults, Satan is worshiped only by the Jewish-Christians. You do not mix us with your worshiped Satan. Answer you: that African people sacrificed lso twins! Use evidence ... In Africa the murderers have always been slavers and their lackeys. |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by Ptolomeus(m): 5:46pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
PAGAN 9JA: Thank you dear friend. It is very sad to read that kind of offense free. Unfortunately Christians know only offend and attack ... Are Christians who worship Satan ... traditionalism has no devil, or Satan! They are who killed the worshipers of demons! They are twins who murdered, innocent women, children and old, with the Inquisition! and the invasion of Africa and America! Unfortunately, the lackeys of the slaveholders want to justify their belief and mental slavery ... but they can not do it! A big hug, my friend! |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by rhymz(m): 5:53pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
damilarelr:Hahahahahahahah. . .this one got me reeling in laughter to the point everyone was looking at me. What you explained were mysteries, huh? To who? Me? But you understand this mysteries, right? Your knowledge is prolly not human, I bet it is God-like Hahahahaha. . Come off that BS that church faithfuls use when they argue themselves into a hole they can't seem to come out of. The Trinity doctrine is not unique to, nor original with Christianity. It has deep Pagan roots, dating back to at least two centuries before the birth of Christ, and has been prominent in many Eastern religions ever since. The Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church Councils (Western and Eastern churches) brought the Trinity doctrine into Christianity. The whole Godhead ideology is pure man-made dogma rooted from Roman and Grecian Empire pegan practice and made extremely popular by the then Empiror of Rome Constantin for political reasons. Up until the rule of Emperor Constantine, the Christians of the Roman Empire were seriously persecuted. However, Constantine saw a chance to help restore the former glory of the Roman Empire by bringing about religious unity. In exchange for the cooperation of the Roman Christian Bishops he made Christianity the official state religion. But this came at a great cost to the true gospel of Jesus Christ. From there forward Christianity became a mixture of the Christian blind faith, Politics and Paganism. One of the most common beliefs among Pagan cultures was in a trinity of gods. Such practices were rife among the Egyptians, Indians (of India), Japanese, Sumarians, Chaldeans, and of course, the Babylonians, to where historians trace the roots of trinitarism. I will like you to do a little history research on the council of Nicaea convened by the empror of Rome, Constantine inviting the proponents of a triun God led by Alexander of Alexandria (Bishop of Alexandria) with other bishops from egypt and libya who supported his teachings that Christ was "thesame substance" as the Father and the proponents of One true God led by Arius, a native Libyan, who went to school in Antioch. He argued that the Father alone is true God, and Jesus was not God. Since Jesus was created by God, there would be a time when Jesus did not exist, Arius used Proverbs 8:22 and John 14:28 (the Father is greater than I) to back up his opposition. The result of that meeting was today's roman catholic Nicene creed and subsequent revisions of the creed plus the excommunication of Arius whose teachings were more reasonable and more in line with what was in the bible and not the common egyptian pagan practice of a three in one God. Funny enough, the Roman emperor Constatine, who was the "presiding chairman" of the council and was reported by historians to have even given suggestions that helped to arrive at today's Roman Catholic Nicene creed was a Pegan who thought of himself as the sun God incarnate, Mithra. He was a Sun Worshiper and only made an official conversion to "Christianity" on his deathbed. After the Nicene creed, trinity was still hotly debated to the point Constantine and the Bishops had to use force to enforce beliefs in it and barred anyone from preaching anything contrary to it, books written on the subject by Arius were burnt and anyone found in possession of such writings faced state capital punishment and from there it became today's christian doctrines hotly contested as devine by christians like yourself. There it is, the little history of the nonsensical three person in one god teachings by the roman catholic church, this is common history littered in the vatican archives and encyclopaedia, there is nothing devine or mysterious about it, men like you and I made it look mysterious to dodge pertinent questions. It was a vote of men that established it, not revelation from God or scriptures. Just as they“Christianized” popular church dogma, thus we end up with Christmas being celebrated on Dec 25th; Easter, which combined the resurrection of Christ with the pagan goddess Ester, and Halloween combined with All Saint’s Day. Spiritual mysteries indeed! |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by PAGAN9JA(m): 6:12pm On Aug 02, 2012 |
rhymz: Hahahahahahahah. . .this one got me reeling in laughter to the point everyone was looking at me. What you explained were mysteries, huh? To who? Me? lol he has divine knowledge which we mortals cant comprehend! anyways back to the topic. there was a slight mistake in the above post. Mithra/Mithras, the Iranian/Indo-Aryan God (still worshipped in India btw) was not the God associated with Emperor Constantine. The Emperor was a great devotee of "SOL INVICTUS", The Sun God. and you are right.it was just an official conversion at his deathbed. Emperor Constantine remained a firm Pagan thorughout going to the point that 25th December is actually the date preceeding the Spring Equinox, .i.e., the Winter SOilistice, when the Sun shines the Brightest. it is th e birthday of the Sun God, but the deluded xtins think that jesus was born then. Infact, his dear Grandson, Julian gets sick and tired of this political game and he decides to overthrow christianity and replace it with Neoplatonic Paganism (Which is a very deep and beautiful religion, i must add). However, by that time, christianity has taken firm root and the damage is already done. what started as a game, turns out to become a nightmare. for his fierce Pagan attitudes, Emperor Julian earns the title of Julian the Apostate. unlike christians who were generally intolerant to other reliions, Julian promulgated an edict to guarantee freedom of religion. This edict proclaimed that all the religions were equal before the law, and that the Roman Empire had to return to its original religious eclecticism, according to which the Roman state did not impose any religion on its provinces. Practically however, it had as its purpose the restoration of paganism at the expense of Christianity. Julian fought many succesful battles and ended up dying in battle. After that the dark shadow of chritstianity embraced the european continent leaving a permanent scar of defilement upon it. . |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by damilarelr(m): 7:24pm On Aug 03, 2012 |
rhymz: Hahahahahahahah. . .this one got me reeling in laughter to the point everyone was looking at me. What you explained were mysteries, huh? To who? Me? Since you have answers already you shouldn't have asked me. I'm not telling you things I learnt, it's what I've experienced! Believe it or not, the truth will never change. The sweetness of an orange is known only to he who eats it, |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:36pm On Aug 03, 2012 |
damilarelr:Some Oranges are very acidic and cause diarrhea. Make you case in Rhymz ... you read about the Council of Nicea, and will understand that the trilogy is a tremendous stupidity. My respects. |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by aku626(m): 9:16am On Aug 06, 2012 |
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Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by pazienza(m): 6:24pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
Osei asked why the gods didn't save our ancestors from the white devils. Maybe he would have to explain to us first,why yahweh have failed to save xtians from boko haram. Could it be that yahweh is a fake God? Or is it because allah is the true God. Oseiworld,you are a typical brainwashed african,the exact end product the missionaries were looking to create, king leopold and his kinds were indeed successful. You got lectured about how your ancestors suffered and died at the hands of the white missionaries and colonial masters by thoth,and all you could say was that your response. Am afraid there is no way back for africa,all is lost. |
Re: Should Christianity Restrict You From Partaking In Your Tradition? by suyu: 8:57pm On Aug 08, 2012 |
igbomu: Africans are conquered people lmfao. All Nigerian people do is read bible and koran and then kill themselves, while others are building planes and developing. Get a life Nigeria people. others are doing the samething as well |
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