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Religion / Re: Having A Conversation With an Atheist About God by adameve: 8:39am On Dec 06, 2012
So if youthink at all about God, and do some reasearch, and go to Church, you will come across some very powerful philosophic arguments FOR the existance of God. The big ones are listed below, listed on a religious website. The are powerful arguments, well though out, and on the surface, very compelling.

But, I ask you to think for yourself, and consider what they say. You minister/preist/rabbi... will tell you what to think, and for many people, it is easiest if they just follow orders. But you came here and so you are more inquisitive than average. I know you will see the true meaning of these arguments for God's existance, and


1-If there is no God, “the big questions” remain unanswered, so how do we answer the following questions: Why is there something rather than nothing? This question was asked by Aristotle and Leibniz alike – albeit with differing answers. But it is an historic concern. Why is there conscious, intelligent life on this planet, and is there any meaning to this life? If there is meaning, what kind of meaning and how is it found? Does human history lead anywhere, or is it all in vain since death is merely the end? How do you come to understand good and evil, right and wrong without a transcendent signifier? If these concepts are merely social constructions, or human opinions, whose opinion does one trust in determining what is good or bad, right or wrong? If you are content within atheism, what circumstances would serve to make you open to other answers?

JS: Being able to ask a question that no one can answer is not proof of God. I have studies most all major religions, and not one of them can answer this question either. Think about what you were taught about your God. Have you ever been shown why there is something rather than nothing? Who created God? Why was God created?

2- If we reject the existence of God, we are left with a crisis of meaning, so why don’t we see more atheists like Jean Paul Sartre, or Friedrich Nietzsche, or Michel Foucault? These three philosophers, who also embraced atheism, recognized that in the absence of God, there was no transcendent meaning beyond one’s own self-interests, pleasures, or tastes. The crisis of atheistic meaninglessness is depicted in Sartre’s book Nausea. Without God, there is a crisis of meaning, and these three thinkers, among others, show us a world of just stuff, thrown out into space and time, going nowhere, meaning nothing.

JS: Being an athiest is not a chrisis. Life has much more meaning when God is out of it. Too many people think the real good things comes after they die. I feel sorry for anyone who is waiting to die so they finally can experience joy. To us who take responsibility for ourselves, life, and everything around us, life is exhilerating. We don't blam God, demons, or lake of faith when things go bad. We take responsibility - and control. Prayer makes some people think they are helping others, but we athiest know we actually must DO something if we want to help. Does a believer really think that life has "meaning" when they are told they are worthless sinners? Most all the people on earth do not beleive in the same god, so is life really that rewarding to those that think everyone else will burn in hell for all eternity -execpt them and their friends?
3-When people have embraced atheism, the historical results can be horrific, as in the regimes of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot who saw religion as the problem and worked to eradicate it? In other words, what set of actions are consistent with particular belief commitments? It could be argued, that these behaviors – of the regimes in question - are more consistent with the implications of atheism. Though, I'm thankful that many of the atheists I know do not live the implications of these beliefs out for themselves like others did! It could be argued that the socio-political ideologies could very well be the outworking of a particular set of beliefs – beliefs that posited the ideal state as an atheistic one.
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JS: This is simple too easy. Anyone who studies history knows believers and athiests are on both sides of the horror stories. Books are filled with the crimes and horrors commited by the Catholic and Protestand chuches. Remember inquistions? Witch burning? America was settled by people thrown out of their coutries because one religion in one country would not tolerate the faith of others. Slavery and the slaghter of so many native people were done in the name of God. Its is absurd to propose the notion that beleif in God makes people kinder and gentler. History does not show that. Neither does logic. I beleive I am responsible for my actions. Not the devil. Not God. Nor do I do things in God's name. It is the athiest you can trust more often to do the right thing, because he/she is not going to wait for God to settle and injustice.
4-If there is no God, the problems of evil and suffering are in no way solved, so where is the hope of redemption, or meaning for those who suffer? Suffering is just as tragic, if not more so, without God because there is no hope of ultimate justice, or of the suffering being rendered meaningful or transcendent, redemptive or redeemable. It might be true that there is no God to blame now, but neither is there a God to reach out to for strength, transcendent meaning, or comfort. Why would we seek the alleviation of suffering without objective morality grounded in a God of justice?

Suffering proves there is no god. No prayer ever gets answered. There is no sign of divine justice. When you look at suffering, much of it is due to people putting their faith in God instead of rolling up their sleeves and taking control. Look around the planet at nations or peoples that believe in your version of God. You will see they are no better off than the religion next door to them. Most religions teach that God helps the beleivers. There is no evidence of this, so one could say it is just fine to choose whatever God feels good to him. Or, think about it a bit more. You could say there is no divine justice and every one seffers the same because... we created God and He does not exist. [/b]
5-If there is no God, we lose the very standard by which we critique religions and religious people, so whose opinion matters most? Whose voice will be heard? Whose tastes or preferences will be honored? In the long run, human tastes and opinions have no more weight than we give them, and who are we to give them meaning anyway? Who is to say that lying, or cheating or adultery or child molestation are wrong –really wrong? Where do those standards come from? Sure, our societies might make these things “illegal” and impose penalties or consequences for things that are not socially acceptable, but human cultures have at various times legally or socially disapproved of everything from believing in God to believing the world revolves around the sun; from slavery, to interracial marriage, from polygamy to monogamy. Human taste, opinion law and culture are hardly dependable arbiters of Truth.
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Since mankind first stood up and walked, we have had no trouble figuring out our standards. With thousands of gods and thousands of religions, it is silly to assert that any one of them is right. Where do standards come from? Well, we make our own standards. Look around at the religious standards. The beleivers will say that they are of highest quality. But take the time to study them. Most are poor, and manyu are horrible. Here is a small list or terrible ideas the faiths of the world embrace. The fact that we need morals and standards is not proof of God. The fact that most every religion is terrible at resolving moral dilemas proves there is no divine force behind them. Look where their ideas came from, and you will find that it is mostly from men.
[/b]6-If there is no God, we don’t make sense, so how do we explain human longings and desire for the transcendent? How do we even explain human questions for meaning and purpose, or inner thoughts like, why do I feel unfulfilled or empty? Why do we hunger for the spiritual, and how do we explain these longings if nothing can exist beyond the material world?
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Another easy one. Most people are indocrinated from birth to need God in their life. The psychological and emotional attachments to religion is very powerful. I hope my book can help break them, because once you realize all the reasons why epople believe, you will understand these emotions and be able to walk way from the whole notion of God. It is hard for a beleiver to appreciate this fact, but it is very true: once you become an athiest, you feel so much better about yourself and about life. Live is much more fulfilling as an athiest than a true beleiver. When you are a beleiver, nothing you pray for ever happens. You never actaully see any evidence that your version of god is any better than the God in some other country. You're left feeling very empty. Ecept you will have a huge support group telling you it will be ok. The warm fuzzy feeling the beleivers have is not "fulfillment". It is a self-rightous indigantion towards all others who beleive in some other god or none at all. I'm not fulfilled by indignation, and do not feel empty at all.
www.wecreatedgod.com

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Religion / Re: I Saw The Lord Jesus Christ Smiling. by adameve: 4:03pm On Apr 08, 2012
If you’ll take a bit of time to really think about his experience, you’ll see that your vision of “symbol of the blood of Jesus Christ looking very fresh and red in colour” is good proof that we made up God. Visions of Mary, Allah, Jesus, Zeus, and the 2000+ other Gods [url]http://wecreatedgod.com/a-list-of-gods/ [/url]we made up are a very normal part of human nature. Because our mind plays tricks with our imagination, misinformed people have always assumed some God was communicating with them. Take a little time to learn about how and why we created God, and you’ll see your experience is not unique. And, there is nothing supernatural in it. It’s normal and you can understand it.
[url]http://wecreatedgod.com/where-god-is-found/ [/url]
Religion / Re: Why Do Believers Suffer? by adameve: 12:28pm On Mar 28, 2012
When times are good, God is credited with the goodness. But when things go bad, everyone makes excuses for God's action or inaction. This is intellectually dishonest.
I've been to church so many times where the pastor tells us "God loves us", "He protects us", and He takes care of us. And then when a tornado crushes a baby or a family, the tap-dance on the pulpit is ridiculous. Try as they may to convince us that this all makes sense. I’m smarter than that.
This kind of unreasonable logic is what drove me to research God. We created Him and the evidence is overwhelming. He doesn’t punish anyone, because he isn’t. Look at all the tornados in the Bible belt that tear-up the lives of good Christians. This proves God does not take care of his followers. http://wecreatedgod.com/god-punishes-christians-with-tornados/
Religion / Re: Having A Conversation With an Atheist About God by adameve: 12:15pm On Mar 28, 2012
joe4christ: What a shallow thinking mind you atheists indeed possesses? Dont be foolish in reasoning mehn, how do you explain the balances in nature itself?

We atheists have a shallow mind? Funny. In your post, you ask "How do you explain the balance of nature." We understand this. The balance of nature is very well understood, and if YOU take the time to study it, (broaden your mind), you will answer your own question. The processes of nature are amazing, and well understood by intelligent people willing to learn. If you close your mind, refuse to study, then yes you need God to explain the things you're not educated enough to understand.
Take the time to learn, broaden your mind, and learn to appreciate life. I do. I read a book or two every month written by experts in their field on science, nature, religion, philosophy, etc... It’s exciting and fascinating stuff. Yes, it would be easier to just say God does it all and its pure magic - no need to read. But nature is amazing, and learning how it works is enjoyable. http://wecreatedgod.com/the-evidence-we-creaded-god/
Religion / Re: Having A Conversation With an Atheist About God by adameve: 7:55am On Mar 26, 2012
Martian: ^^^^^
Blashphemy!!! How can you call yourself a christian and use the Big B@ng theory that says the universe is billions of years old. Read your bible. Who caused the explosion of the big b@ng.

I bet you're also an evolutionist. Demon!!

I've read the Bible many times, and there is nothing in it about the Big Bang. You are grasping at straws to defend an undefendable position. The Bible is clear about creation and its timing. It is clear and clearly wrong.

The whole notion that "we are left with a crisis of meaning" if we deny God is a belief that many Christian hold. They've been going to Church since childhood, and can't fathom life without someone telling them how to live it. Kinda sad. Athiest have so much more meaning in their life. Once you realize that YOU control you life, not God, it becomes so much more rewarding and exciting.

A good first step is to study why we believe in God. It is illegal to teach in school, so read about it here and enjoy. It is some good stuff. You'll see that no where in the world will you find any proof of God, but there is an enormouse amount of evidnece that we created Him.
<a href='http://wecreatedgod.com' title='www.wecreatedgod.com' > </a>

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