deSika: mr. Ayenny you are a wonderful copy paster just like LagosShia but unlike LagosShia you dont show us that you copy, yu dont give credit to the sites where you copy from rather yu present them as if they are your ideas.

Islam is based on knowledge not using idea, in islam if you want to say something that related to islam and muslim, you must follow what Quran and hadith including our Sheikh (scholar)says.

There is nothing on this earth which related to Islam and muslim that our Sheikh has not been answer, expecially those anti-islam like you

deSika:
so good, you have not said anynew thing, so i wud repeat again, pls educate your scholars who say Jesus said Allah on the cross. tell them what yu are presently saying here.

you can see that Quran has explained the issue of jesus christ that "not killed, not crucified but it was made to appear to them.
Allah revealed the Quran to correct the corruption of Torah after Moses and Injeel after jesus. the issue now is what bible says abt the killing, crucification,and who appeared as jesus christ

deSika:
finally was someone crucified. did he look like Jesus. then why blame people who say Jesus was crucified when the person you say was crucified looked like Jesus.

Having fully believed in Allah’s words, let us now move on to find evidence of the truth in The Bible in support of it.

1. First of all, while Jesus was awaiting arrest by the soldiers, what he tells his disciples is that

a) “sleep on now, and take rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the son of man is betrayed into the hands of the sinners.” (Mark 14:41)

b) “the son of man is betrayed to be crucified” (Matthew 26:2)

Jesus never said he will be crucified, but only reveals the intention with which he will be betrayed: “betrayed to be crucified”.

2. Jesus says in Matthew 26:24: “The son of man goes as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born”.

a) About himself, Jesus (pbuh) says: “The son of man goes as it is written of him ” ; goes and not dies.

b) About the betrayer he says: “it had been good for that man if he had not been born”, a nice way of wishing death for the betrayer.

Even after this curse by the messenger of Allah, is there a way that the betrayer will continue to live ? Thus, in the above verse, it has been determined as to who is destined to go and who is destined to die.

3. The betrayer Judas comes in to identify Jesus, when it is dark, along with a large number of soldiers , carrying lanterns, torches and weapons. The stage is perfect for the change of form of the betrayer and the betrayed, as more confusion follows: From Mark 14:44, Matthew 26:48 and Luke 22:47, which are quoted below, it is proved that Judas drew near unto Jesus to kiss him, so as to identify him.

Mark 14:44 : And he that betrayed him had given them a token, saying, whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he; take him, and lead [him] away safely.

Matt 26:48 Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.

Luke 22:47: And while he yet spoke, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.

From John 18:3 to 18:6 which is mentioned below, we come to know of another enabling factor:

18:3. Judas, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests, comes inside with lanterns and torches and weapons.

18:4. Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should happen to him, went forth, and said unto them, whom do you seek? 

18:5. They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus says unto them, I am [he]. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 

18:6. As soon as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell to the ground.

From verse 6 above, we notice one strange thing: as soon as Jesus identifies himself, “I am (he)”, the great crowd that had come in falls to the ground. As Judas stood near Jesus (after kissing him) and as the crowd fell to the ground along with the lanterns they brought, the situation was perfect for the exchange of faces, so that those who came to arrest him do not notice it. Then the soldiers, who came to arrest Jesus, take away Judas instead, while Jesus escapes along with his other disciples, who all fled the scene.

Mark 14:50: And they all forsook him, and fled.

(The readers of Bible normally take it to mean that the disciples forsook Jesus and fled. It is shameful to think that all the disciples of Jesus forsook him at the most crucial hour of his life. Qur'an testifies that the disciples expressed their belief and loyalty:

“ But when Jesus sensed disbelief from them, he said: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah’s helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear you witness that we have surrendered (unto Him). ” (3:52)

Therefore, it was Judas whom the disciples rightly forsook and all of them fled with Jesus.)

truthman2012:

What nonsense is this?

If I say a harsh word to you I know what you will turn it to and run away but I hope you are the OP, so you can run away and I still believe that you are still going to run away

truthman2012:

Did you ever explain the exact references in any of your posts on NL. Instead of explaining the OP reference, it is your strategy to refer to a completely different quotation that contradicts the reference as your defence.

I just remind you how you ran away from the contradiction I asked to explain, and am still expecting you to do the same here

truthman2012:

In this particular thread, where did you quote and explain the EXACT hadith referred to by the OP. Did you not quote another contradictory hadith as your defence? Are both hadiths not from islam? If they contradict each other, is that not error in your religion?

Reproduce Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770. Explain it and let people see your ignorance or otherwise.

Your topic of your thread is "Muslim are in hellfire pending the ressurection day" am I right?

Also, your brought the Hadith that saying about what will happen to Muslim, Christians, jews and idolators in the judgement day and that all christians, jews and idolators will rust in hell fire forever while the Muslims who do evils in the world will be punished for his evil deeds in this world and later Allah will remove him from hellfire because he is a muslims

Can't you see how you lied and contradict yourself with the Topic and the proof you brought.

The question you should ask is that "Where Muslims will be before the judgement day and look for Hadith that support it not unrelated one?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

truthman2012:

You people shout lies, lies, lies to cover up, when infact you are the real LIARS.

Where did you see lies? Am I the writer of the hadith I quoted or is the quranic verse that butressed the hadith my own version?

Anything that does not go down well with you or your religion is a lie even if it is the truth.

Go back to the hadith (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770) and give us your own interpretations, relating it with the quran 19:72 and show how it is different from mine.

A situation where a place is quoted in hadith or quran and instead of explaining it, you quote another place that contradicts it as defence is not acceptable. What that means is that one hadith or Surah is correct and the other is wrong and both are islamic beliefs. That is exactly what you people do to call the OP a liar. It only means LIES are in your Books and not the OP.

You still continue with your lies, have you not seen my explanation how you lied and contradict urself abt the topic and hadith you quoted.

I am still expecting you to answer my contradiction I asked you to defend and I believe you will still run away from here too (liar)

deSika: ok so pls do me the favor of educating your scholars on that one.

Let us turn to Qur'an, 3:55:

 “When Allah said: O Jesus! I will complete you(term) and cause you to ascend unto Me and cleanse you of those who disbelieve...”

Allah assures that Jesus will be saved from the Jews and that his term and what is destined for him is guaranteed for him and that Allah will cause Jesus to ascend unto Him. The Bible agrees that Jesus ascended unto heaven (Luke 24:51), but the main dispute is about what happened in between: the alleged crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus (pbuh).

Allah says in Qur'an that they neither killed him nor crucified him, but it was made to appear so unto them. In many places in Qur'an, it has been mentioned that Jews used to kill the prophets unjustly. But in the case of Jesus (pbuh) it vehemently denies that they killed him or that they crucified him. This is because Qur'an will not contain anything except truth.

Surah 4, Verses 157 & 158:

“and their saying : we killed Christ Jesus, son of Mary, The messenger of Allah - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so; and those who disagree concerning it are full of doubts; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; For surely they killed him not; but Allah took him up unto Himself; and Allah is ever mighty, wise.”

From the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), we get a more detailed account. The Muslim belief is that Allah changed the face of the person who betrayed Jesus, showing to the rulers the place where he was hiding, into a face resembling Jesus. So, they crucified that betrayer instead of Jesus.

Let us now do a deeper study of the above verses of Qur'an, so that we may be rightly guided into the truth. Allah says in Qur'an not only that Jesus was not killed, but also that he was not crucified, either. Those who do not accept the truth or those who accept only a part of the truth will never get at the truth.

As a result, 

1. those who wish to prove that Jesus was crucified, but did not die at the cross; and

2. those who believe that Jesus was crucified and killed at the cross,

have equally failed to convince and provide clear-cut answers to the many points that beg a solution. Allah has said: “......and those who disagree concerning it are full of doubts.”

Those who disagree that he was neither killed nor crucified, are full of doubts.

Allah has said three things about the alleged crucifixion of Jesus:

1. They didn't kill him.

2. They didn't crucify him.

3. But it was made to appear to them so.

In the case of an affirmative sentence, like: “They killed him” , there is no doubt. Everything is clear. 1. The Offender 2. The Offence 3. The Offended. But once the word “NOT” comes in and makes it a negative sentence, like: “They DID NOT kill him”, there is a possibility to vary the meaning in three ways by shifting the stress alternatingly on the rest of the three words:

1. “They did not kill him” would mean that somebody else killed him.

2. “They did not kill him” in this context would mean that they just tortured him but did not kill him.

3. “They did not kill him” would mean that they killed somebody else.

Therefore, let us study further and consider for elimination, two out of the three possible variations of the sentence “They did not kill him” mentioned above.

There is no doubt as to The Offender. The Jews themselves claim to have done the deed and we all know of their complicity. Now the doubt remains about Two Things: The Offence and The Offended. About the second possibility that “They did not kill him” would mean that they crucified him but he escaped death, Allah denies that too. The next part of the verse eliminates that possibility by saying: They did not crucify him. Having eliminated the first two possibilities, only the third one survives: “They did not kill him.” Yes, it was not him that they crucified and killed, but someone else. So, let us write that part of the verse, by putting the stress on the right word:

they did not kill him;

they did not crucify him;

but it was made to appear to them so.

It was made to appear to them that they crucified Jesus and killed him. They did not kill nor crucified Jesus (pbuh).

If you don't understand my statement above I will move to bible for more support.

deSika: tell them that Jesus neva said Allah in the bible.

from my explanation above He did not utter such words at the cross, where he was never taken. They say that Jesus said: "Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachtani? That is to say: My God, My God, why have you forsaken me? "(Matthew 27:46)

The above statement attributed to Jesus is totally wrong, because:

1. God will never forsake His messenger.

2. Jesus, who submits himself to the will of the Lord, will never utter such a Word.

(Please refer to the three verses quoted above: Matthew 26:39, Mark 14:36 and Luke 22:42)

The prayer of Jesus (pbuh) did not go unanswered, but was answered through the angel, which appeared, in order to strengthen him. Luke 22:43: “ And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.”

deSika:
and thanks for admitting that you are contradicters

Don't misquote me, I said when the christians claimed that Jesus is God and we muslims used the verses of the Bible of Eli Eli.... Because they believed that it was jesus on the cross and how can jesus the God can pray to God for help on the cross.

truthman2012:


@ ayenny02 & lanrexlan

Can't you answer the question? All are waiting for you.

Your questions has been answered.

deSika:
now the question is this.
did Jesus die on the cross and while there called Allah or did he not and as such did not have the opportuntity to shout Allah.

Based on Quran Jesus didn't crucified and not killed Surah 4, Verses 157 & 158:
“and their saying : we killed Christ Jesus, son of Mary, The messenger of Allah - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so; and those who disagree concerning it are full of doubts; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; For surely they killed him not; but Allah took him up unto Himself; and Allah is ever mighty, wise.”

deSika: another minute u find them trying to explain to you that Jesus called Eli/Ellah/Allah on that same cross.(in a bid to find Allah in the bible)

it was not Jesus that shout Eli Eli on the cross. We, muslim just using the verses to contradict those christians when they called Jesus as a God. Because their Bible full of lies and contradiction

...................Contradictions of trinity.............................

The basic problem is that trinitarianism is a nonbiblical doctrine that contradicts a number of biblical teachings and many specific verses of Scripture. Moreover, the doctrine contains a number of internal contradictions. Of course, the most obvious internal contradiction is how there can be three persons of God in any meaningful sense and yet there be only one God.

Below we have compiled a number of other contradictions and problems associated with trinitarianism. This list is not exhaustive but it does give an idea of how much the doctrine deviates from the Bible.

1. Did Jesus Christ have two fathers? The Father is the Father of the Son (I John 1:3), yet the child born of Mary was conceived by the Holy Ghost (Matthew 1:18, 20; Luke 1:35). Which one is the true father? Some trinitarians say that the Holy Ghost was merely the Father's agent in conception - a process they compare to artificial insemination!

2. How many Spirits are there? God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:24), the Lord Jesus is a Spirit (II Corinthians 3:17), and the Holy Spirit is a Spirit by definition. Yet there is one Spirit (I Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 4:4).

3. If Father and Son are co-equal persons, why did Jesus pray to the Father? (Matthew 11:25). Can God pray to God?

4. Similarly, how can the Son not know as much as the Father? (Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32).

5. Similarly, how can the Son not have any power except what the Father gives Him? (John 5:19, 30; 6:38).

6. Similarly, what about other verses of Scripture indicating the inequality of the Son and the Father? (John 8:42; 14:28; I Corinthians 11:3).

7. Did "God the Son" die? The Bible says the Son died (Romans 5:10). If so, can God die? Can part of God die?

8. How can there be an eternal Son when the Bible speaks of the begotten Son, clearly indicating that the Son had a beginning? (John 3:16; Hebrews 1:5-6).

9. If the Son is eternal and existed at creation, who was His mother at that time? We know the Son was made of a woman (Galatians 4:4).

10. Did "God the Son" surrender His omnipresence while on earth? If so, how could he still be God?

truthman2012: You guys post COUNTERFEITS and besides, I cannot flow with your low level of reasonings. Instead of making your points, you resort to war of words - Boko Haram spirit. If you people are allowed into heaven with islamic spirit, you will bomb heaven.

yes, you can't flow with our level of reasonings because we have Quran which differentiate between truth and falsehood. The truth has come falsehood should disapear.

truthman2012:
The thread is so clear and the readers already know what they need to know.

Which thread is cleared after I exposed you lies. Hope you see all my question, pls Answer my questions.

truthman2012:
Let me leave you with this:
Pickthall 3:55
(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those WHO FOLLOW thee ABOVE those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me (i.e Heaven) ye will (all) return, and I judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

While Allah promised Jesus and His followers (Christians) heaven as can be seen in 3:55, He promised Muhammad and his followers (muslims) HELLFIRE as in Pickthall 19:71- 72.

Based on the Q3:55 above verse, 'Such a verse gives an evidence that Jesus did not die normally, since if that was the true meaning, then Jesus died like all other believers whose souls Allah takes and then causes them to ascend to the heaven. As a result, such an incident would not be a peculiarity to Jesus .

Based on Allah's statement (and purify you from those who disbelieve), that if his soul left his body, this would mean that his body, like all other Prophets, was to be in the ground'.


Allah, The Great and Almighty, disproving a claim of killing Jesus, says: {And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah", - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary).

But Allah raised him (Jesus) up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he (Jesus) is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.} [4:157-158].

This verse states clearly that Allah raised Jesus up unto Himself and saved him from killing. This verse, in fact, constitutes a sufficient answer for every inquirer and doubter.

cleanvessel:

Your quran said an angel called Jesus the Messiah, So you don't believe your quran again becos you want to argue?

Is only Messiah in that verse you see, what can you say about where it says Messiah, Jesus son of Mary
Tell me the meaning of Messiah and Jesus son of mary?

truthman2012: Islam teaches that ALL muslims will be in Hellfire till the Day of Resurrection when they will cross to Heaven.

I don't know how Christianity are so full of lies,after you known that your religion was full of lies, does that mean you should lie against other religion. Let me ask you a question;
1. How your topic contradict the the verses of the Quran and Hadith? ( 1st lie). The hadith saying about Day of resurrection while your topic saying muslims will be in Hellfire till day of resurrection
2. Can you bring any verses from the Bible where God or Jesus said the christianity will be in paradise?

truthman2012: The Bible says NO.

Luke 16:19-26
Luke 16:19
There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously everyday:

Luke 16:20
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

Luke 16:21
And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

Luke 16:22
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luke 16:23
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luke 16:25
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luke 16:26
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

In the above we are made to understand that it is not possible to cross from Hell to Heaven.

this is another lies. Can you tell me where God mentioned in the verses you quoted above that Hell and Heaven not possible to cross?

truthman2012:
Let us see the islamic point of view:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12 Number 770
Narated By Abu Huraira : The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. AT THAT TIME THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE as mere skeletons..............

The Quran again confirms the above hadith in:

[Shakir 19:68] So by your Lord! We will most certainly gather them together and the Shaitans, then shall We certainly cause them to be present round hell on their knees.

[Shakir 19:69] Then We will most certainly draw forth from every sect of them him who is most exorbitantly rebellious against the Beneficent Allah.

[Shakir 19:70] Again We do certainly know best those who deserve most to be burned therein.

[Shakir 19:71] And THERE IS NOT ONE OF YOU BUT SHALL COME TO IT; this is an unavoidable decree of your Lord.

[Shakir 19:72] And We will deliver those who guarded (against evil), and We will LEAVE the unjust THEREIN on their knees.

It shows ALL muslims will be in HELL first before the Day of Resurrection for an indefinite period of time. Then on the Day of Resurrection Muhammad wii be the first to cross from Hell to Paradise. Evildoers will attempt to cross but will fall inside it.

My muslim brothers and sisters, you don't have to go to Hell first if you come to Jesus. How long can you afford to be inside Hell: 1 year, 20 years, 1000 years? Run for your life. Jesus said in my Father's house there are many mansions, He has gone to prepare a place for us that where He is there we will also be (John 14:2).

I don't need to say much about the Quran and Hadith you quoted. Let me give you some point:

1. Islam is a beautiful and a True Divine Religion of Allah Almighty that sets free the believers from wickedness, confusion and frustration.  It sheds the Light of Allah Almighty into their hearts and leads them to the True Path Belief and Righteousness.  Allah Almighty is the GOD Almighty of all mankind and is there for all the righteous. 

Every little atom of good and evil that an individual makes in life will be recorded for him, and he shall see it in the Day of Judgement.  Allah Almighty will then make the Ultimate Decision on the person based on all of the unique elements that pertain to him/her

2. Muslims who do evil in this world will be punished in Hell fire and later Allah will remove him from hell to paradise except the munafiq (hypocrites) who will be in hell fire forever with christian, jews and idol worshiper.
Nigerian as a case study, if government find you guilty of any crime, the govt will jail or punish you for your crime and later they will release you.

As long as the person believes in "Absolute One GOD" and does Righteousness, then he should be ok:

"God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed. (The Noble Quran, 4:48)"



3. In the judgement day, if you are not a muslim either you are a christians, jews or pagan, you don't have any place than Hell fire

"They say: 'Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).' Say thou: 'Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with God.'  (The Noble Quran, 2:135)"

"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to God's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with God.   (The Noble Quran, 3:67)"

The "true in Faith" or the "Religion of Abraham" that GOD Almighty accepts is believing in the Absolute One and Living GOD Almighty.  This is the main point of Islam, and the belief that would ultimately guide the individual to Salvation.

"Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend.  (The Noble Quran, 4:125)"

Idol worshiping, trinity, and all other forms of using other creations as mediators between yourself and GOD Almighty are not accepted.  This supports my statement above about a "Muslim" is one who believes in One GOD only.

The Jewish Concept of Messiah and the Jewish Response to Christian Claims


1) The word “Messiah” is an English rendering of the Hebrew word “Mashiach”, whose translation is “Anointed”.  It usually refers to a person initiated into G-d’s service by being anointed with oil. (Having oil poured on his head.  Cf. Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3).


2) There are many Messiahs in the Bible.  Since every King and High Priest was anointed with oil, each may be referred to as “an anointed one” (a Mashiach or a Messiah).  For example: “God forbid that I [David] should stretch out my hand against the Lord’s Messiah [Saul]...” I Samuel 26:11. Cf. II Samuel 23:1, Isaiah 45:1, Psalms 20:6.


 3) The Hebrew word “HaMashiach” (lit. the Messiah) describing a future anointed person to come does not appear anywhere in the Bible.  Since the Bible makes no explicit reference to the Messiah, it is unlikely that it could be considered the most important concept in the Bible. Indeed, in Jewish thought, the Messianic idea is not the most crucial.  However, in Christian thought, the Messiah is paramount- a difficulty in light of its conspicuous absence from scripture.


 4) Where does the Jewish concept of Messiah come from?  One of the central themes of Biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. Isaiah 2:1-4; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Isaiah 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34.


 5) Many of these prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection.  Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5.


6) Since every King is a Messiah, by convention, we refer to this future anointed one as The Messiah.  The above is the only description in the Bible of a Davidic descendant who is to come in the future.  We will recognize the Messiah by seeing who the King of Israel is at the time of complete universal perfection.


7) The Bible never speaks about believing in the Messiah.  Because his reign will be an historically verifiable reality, self-evident to any person, it won’t require belief or faith.


Because no person has ever fulfilled the picture painted in the Bible of this future King, Jewish people still await the coming of the Messiah.  All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.


9) The claim that Jesus will fulfill the Messianic prophesies when he returns does not give him any credibility for his “first” coming.  The Bible never speaks about the Messiah returning after an initial appearance.  The “second coming” theory is a desperate attempt to explain away Jesus’ failure. The Biblical passages which Christians are forced to regard as second coming (#5 above) don’t speak of someone returning, they have a “first coming” perspective.


10) According to Biblical tradition, Elijah the prophet will reappear before the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5-6).  In the Greek Testament, Jesus claims that John the Baptist was Elijah (Matthew 11:13-14, 17:10-13).  However, when John the Baptist was asked if he was Elijah, he denied it (John 1:21).  The Gospel of Luke 1:17 tries to get around this problem by claiming that John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah.  However:


a]  Malachi predicted that Elijah himself would return, and not just someone coming in his spirit.


b]  When asked about his identity, John the Baptist didn’t  claim to have come in the spirit of Elijah - he claimed no association with Elijah at all.

c]  The prophesy about the return of Elijah says that he would restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers.  There is no evidence that John the Baptist accomplished this.


11) According to the Jewish Bible, the Messiah must be a descendent of King David.  (Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24)  Although the Greek Testament traces the genealogy of Joseph (husband of Mary) back to David, it then claims that Jesus resulted from a virgin birth, and, that Joseph was not his  father.  (Mat. 1:18-23)  In response, it is claimed that Joseph adopted Jesus, and passed on his genealogy via adoption.


There are two problems with this claim:

a) there is no Biblical basis for the idea of a father passing on his tribal line by adoption.  A priest who adopts a son from another tribe cannot make him a priest by adoption;


b) Joseph could never pass on by adoption that which he doesn’t have.  Because Joseph descended from Jeconiah (Mat. 1:11) he fell under the curse of that king that none of his descendants could ever sit as king upon the throne of David.  (Jeremiah 22:30; 36:30).


To answer this difficult problem, apologists claim that Jesus traces himself back to King David through his mother Mary, who allegedly descends from David, as shown in the third chapter of Luke. 


There are four basic problems with this claim:

a]  There is no evidence that Mary descends from David.  The third chapter of Luke traces Joseph’s genealogy, not Mary’s.


b]  Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn’t help Jesus, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not mother.  Cf. Num. 1:18; Ezra 2:59.

c]  Even if family line could go through the mother, Mary was not from a legitimate Messianic family.  According to the Bible, the Messiah must be a descendent of David through his son Solomon (II Sam. 7:14;

I Chron. 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6)  The third chapter of Luke is useless because it goes through David’s son Nathan, not Solomon.  (Luke 3:31)


d]  Luke 3:27 lists Shealtiel and Zerubbabel in his genealogy.  These two also appear in Matthew 1:12 as descendants of the cursed Jeconiah.  If Mary descends from them, it would also disqualify her from being a Messianic progenitor.

cleanvessel: ayenny02

Many people are in paradise/heaven (Luke 16:19-26).

Luke 16:19-26

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence

MAYBE YOU SHOULD EXPLAIN THE VERSE BECOS I DON'T SEE WHERE IT MENTIONED THAT CHRISTIAN ARE IN PARADISE. LIAR ]

cleanvessel:


Jesus is in heaven and He ALONE is the Savior (MESSIAH). See

Is God or Jesus the Savior?

"For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers," (1 Tim. 4:10,
Isaiah 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11.  I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour).

It says that God (not Jesus) is the Savior of all men,

cleanvessel:
Pickthall 3:45: (And remember) when the angels said O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the MESSIAH, Jesus son of Mary, illustrious in the world and Hereafter and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

As you can see, even the Quran said Jesus is the Savior (Messiah), not Muhammad.

The traditional title of Messiah, or "anointed one" was an honorary title of God's appointed King/Prophet of the Israelites.

Saul was a messiah, David was a Messiah, Zedekiah, the last king of Israel of the line of Judah was a Messiah.


In islam, Allah used the Arabic word "Masih" and we have two MASIH in islam,
MASIH JESUS and MASIH DAJJAL

If christians translate MASIH to MESSIAH then we can call DAJJAL (anti-christ), a MESSIAL.

My Question for christians is that they should go and find the Meaning of MESSIAL DAJJAL too, or can we call it SAVIOUR DAJJAL (anti-christ) if Messiah mean Savior to you.

cleanvessel: ayenny02 & lanrexlan


There are so many things in the Quran that make a spiritually minded people to doubt it as being the word of the true God.

Muhammad did a lot of things that if a man does same today, even you people will shout.

Allah made some statements that the true God will not make.

If you want to talk, talk with references. Can you mention what make you doubt the Quran and the Prophet (saw)

cleanvessel:
Then the Quran is a third party information, even though you people say it is from Allah. Muhammad dictated the revelations to the scribes to write down. What is the certainty that what Allah told him, which he dictated was the ones written down by the scribes.

Human memory is not perfect. There is no certainty that he remembered everything Allah told him, since it took some years before he appointed scribes to put them in writing. If what he remember was more or it was less, it would give a different meaning from Allah's intentions.

The Qur‘an is Allah‘s Word which Jibril (Gabriel, peace be upon him) received from Allah and recited to Muhammad (saw), who in turn listened and learned it carefully from Jibril exactly as spoken by Allah. Moreover, Allah caused Muhammad (saw) to memorize it by heart.

Allah says:
"Move not your tongue concerning (the Quran, O Muhammad to make haste therewith.   It is for Us to collect it and to give you (O Muhammad saw) the ability to recite it (the Qur‘an).   And when We have recited it to you [O Muhammad] through Jibril (Gabriel)], then follow its (the Qur‘an‘s) recital.   Then it is for Us (Allah) to make it clear (to you)." [Surah Al Qiyamah 75: 16-19].

Also Allah says: "Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur‘an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)." [Surah Al-Hijr, 15: 9].

Accordingly, Allah safeguarded the Qur‘an for Muslims. The Qur‘an was, therefore, transmitted from the Prophet (peace be upon him) to his Companions, who committed it to memory and writing; who in turn transmitted it to future generations fresh and pure, without any distortion or interpolation in it

cleanvessel:

Finally, no matter how beautiful, authoritative and authentic you people say the Quran is, what it promises its faithful is HELLFIRE. And that shows Quran is not the word of the true God and Islam does not grant SALVATION. All muslims are in Helfire and once in hell is forever in hell.

Tell me which one is the Word of God and give me references that you will be in paradise

mazaje:

You are just making things up, all Jews believe in Moses, No Jew believes in Mohammed or Allah, Jews believe in Jehovah Yahweh. . .All christians believe in Jesus. Non believes in Allah, non has ever believed in Allah and non that professes to be a christian will ever believe in Allah. . .

were they not believe in God?

mazaje:

What exactly are you on about?. . .I gave you clear contradictions in the Koran but as usual you are just making things up and claming they are not contradictions. . .

To criticize the Quran, you must understand the language of the Book because The Noble Quran, which Muslims believe is the word of God, was revealed in the Arabic language.
looking at a "translated" copy rather than Arabic, you will never understand some verses of the Quran, that is how Quran was different with any other books.

mazaje:


No one knows who complied the Koran..

but you brought some wrong information that Quran was compilled by so and so, and now you come with another wrong information that "no one knows who compiled the Quran again, can't you see you don't understand what you are saying again.

Pls if you want to go to any anti-islam sites to copy any wrong information, pls copy the one that you would stand on

mazaje:

The verse promises christians reward for their good deeds, it does NOT talk about any christians or jews before the prophet Mohammed. It just says christians. . .And here you are making stuffs up and giving them your own meaning as usual. . .The verse is clear christians will be rewared for their good deeds.

Allah (swt) declares in this ayah that whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, whether they are Jews, Christians, Sabians or Muslims, they are going to have their reward with their Rabb.

The qualification of this statement however is that in addition to believing in Allah and the Last Day, one must also believe in the prophet or messenger that was sent to them. We as Muslims believe in Allah and the Last Day, and we also believe in the Prophet (saw) as the Messenger of Allah. Thus this ayah applies to the Muslims and it is the Muslims that Allah is referring to when He (swt) says “the ones who believe”.

As for the Jews, it refers to those among them who lived at the time of Musa [Moses] (as) and they believed in Musa (as) as the messenger of Allah. Those among them who believe in Allah (swt) and the Last Day, and they do the actions that are pleasing to Allah (swt), the actions for which they hope they will be rewarded on the Last Day, the actions that are taught to them by their messenger, it is these that are going to the Garden, it is these have their reward with their Rabb.

The same is true for the Christians. Those among them who believed in ‘Isa [Jesus] (as) as the messenger of Allah (swt) and they worshipped Allah (swt) correctly. They do the actions that ‘Isa (jesus) commanded them to do hoping to get their reward from Allah on the Last Day. It is these that have their reward from their Rabb. So we see that this
ayah is discussing those among the previous nations who believed in their prophet correctly.

It is only those among them who believe in the prophet or messenger who was sent to them that are promised salvation in the Hereafter.

MY QUESTION FOR YOU, HOW MANY CHRISTIANS BELIEVES IN ALLAH AFTER JESUS HAS GONE?

mazaje:



There used to be different versions before uthman destroyed the rest and kept only one version. . .But still it doesn't make it different from some other books and you are yet to show me anything inside the koran that caould not be written by men that lived during that period. . .

Mr Man, you better accept your faith that your Bible was full of contradiction, all your statement lack points.
Those who write New testament, we see like Mark, Paul, John, peter etc can you also mention those who compiled the Quran where their names mention in the Quran?

Mintayo:

your opinion does not matter,after all u r nt d writer of d Bible

Who are the writer of the Bible?

Mintayo:

Jesus was and is neither-He came to d world as a son of God and He is God-and u cant change that!

which one should we believe now between Son of God and he is God.
God has a Son and later Son became a God or,
God has a Son and later God died and Son take over his Father's position or what again?

Mintayo:



can u see dt u r a liar and it is only a liar like urself will take you serious? Why nt finish d matthew above instead of lying that Jesus said nothing
Vs 64 says that:
Jesus said unto him, thou hast said:....

Who is a liar? Why can't you quote the verses and let see it?

dexmond:

Tanx. You said the unbelieving Jinns are referred to as demons or shaytan. What do you call the believing Jinns?

s cholars are in disagreement over the difference between jinn and demons. Some of them say that the word jinn goes far to encompass the jinn as well as the demons. The word also includes believing and unbelieving jinn.
Jins are creatures created by Allah. Among them are kafirs (non-Muslims) and believers. They can see us but we cannot see them. They eat, have children and die. Allah says (interpretation of the meanings): 

‘O you assembly of jinn and mankind!’ [6:130] 

‘And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire’ [15:27] 

‘”And of us some are Muslims (who have submitted to Allah, after listening to this Quran), and of us some are al‑qaasitoon (disbelievers those who have deviated from the right path)’. And whosoever has embraced Islam (i.e. has become a Muslim by submitting to Allah), then such have sought the right path.

And as for the Qaasitoon (disbelievers who deviated from the right path), they shall be firewood for Hell”’ [72:14-15]

dexmond:

Also, You did not tell us the reason why Allah gave each man a Jinn, is it for protection, companionship, guidance or what?
, you only spoke of the reason for creating them as well as human, which is to worship Allah. Do jinns live inside humans?

“The Arabic word Qareen has two meanings. It may mean a friend or a companion, as stated in the following verse: “A speaker of them saith: Lo! I had a comrade.” (As-Saffat: 51) i.e. (I had an unbelieving friend who was trying to lead me astray during my life).


The other meaning of the word Qareen is the demon permanently assigned to each person during his/her life whose job is to seduce human beings. Allah Almighty says: “His comrade saith: Our Lord! I did not cause him to rebel, but he was (himself) far gone in error.” (Qaf: 27) i.e. the devil assigned to seduce him will say: “My lord! It was not me who seduced him at the beginning, but it was he himself who preferred blindness to guidance. So, I helped him achieve his goal through seduction.”

In one hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) tells us that a demon is assigned to every human being: “There is no one among you but a comrade from among the jinn is assigned to him.” They (the Companions present in that occasion) said: “Even you, O Messenger of Allah?” He said: “Even me, but Allah granted me victory over him and he became Muslim (or: and I am safe from him), so he only enjoins me to do that which is good.”


In order to get rid of such demon comrade, one should continuously recite the Qur'an, particularly the verse of Al-Kursi (verse number 255 of Surat Al-Baqarah), and the last two verses of the same Surah.

dexmond:

Do jinns live inside humans?

Yes, base on the hadith of the Prophet related by Jabir, our Prophet said: Do not pay a visit to the women whose husbands are not with them because the devil moves inside your veins just as your blood does.

what are the main reasons why jinn possess humans?

The reasons are as follows:
1. Walking around the house naked.

2. Being isolated and unprotected by the prophetic morning and evening prayers.

3. Entering the toilet without the fortifying prayers because the toilets are among the dwelling places of the jinn.

4. Pouring hot water on the jinnee without mentioning Allaah’s name.

5. Going without making the fortifying prayers to areas of the jinn, like mountain tops and garbage dumps, hurting them by urinating on them or stepping on them etc

Allahu a'lam

mazaje:

It obvious you do not understand the english language. . .I said S2:62 promises christians reward for their good deeds.[/quoteThis verse was talking about The Jews i.e. Israelites before Christ (PBUH) who believed in Allah and the Last Day were infact Muslims and thus in the Hereafter they’ll earn the reward for their Faith and deeds. Same goes for the Christians before the Last Prophet (PBUH) declared his prephethood and the Sabians as well[quote author=mazaje]

But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward. Your explanation is just funny because you claim the Koran was talking about pass one nation that believed in Moses and Jesus. . .What is that?

[the only problem you have is that you lack the language of Arabic becos I don't see where the contradiction you are talking about. I will advice u to read it very well or to quote the verses and compare it with Q2:62][quote author=mazaje]

mazaje:

Lets go through it once again, since you are in a hurry to run to no where. . .

It is not for the polytheists to maintain the mosques of Allah [while] witnessing against themselves with disbelief. [For] those, their deeds have become worthless, and in the Fire they will abide eternally. 9:17

[You disbelievers are] like those before you; they were stronger than you in power and more abundant in wealth and children. They enjoyed their portion [of worldly enjoyment], and you have enjoyed your portion as those before you enjoyed their portion, and you have engaged [in vanities] like that in which they engaged. [It is] those whose deeds have become worthless in this world and in the Hereafter, and it is they who are the losers. 9:69

So whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it. 99:7

It seems english is a problem for you. . .9.17 and 9.69 clearly say that unbelievers and their deeds are worthless, but 99"7 clearly say whoever does an atom of good will see it. . .Who now is the liar?. . .

I can see where u get problem now let me explain it to you;

From verse 99:6
that they mankind will proceed in scattered groups that they may be shown their deed.

Explanation:
what day Allah was talking about, "the day of judgement"
And He said people will scattered in groups, which group, "the believers and disbelievers"
The book of record of good and bad deeds of muslims will be given to them,

As for the others (disbelievers), it will be announced publicly that these are ones who lied against their Lord.

Allah now continue with the following verses that; 99:7-8,
8. So whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom shall see it
9. And So whosoever does evil equal to the weight of an atom shall see it

mazaje:

Moreover, S. 2:62 promises Christians reward for their good deeds. But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls Christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward.

Quran 2:62, Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
This verse was talking about The Jews i.e. Israelites before Christ (PBUH) who believed in Allah and the Last Day were infact Muslims and thus in the Hereafter they’ll earn the reward for their Faith and deeds. Same goes for the Christians before the Last Prophet (PBUH) declared his prephethood and the Sabians as well ]

mazaje:

The Quran has its own contradictions and I have listed them there for you but it obvious that you can't read english. . . .Stop threanting me with the myth of hell. . .The myth doesn't even move or scare kids these days. . .

If you have anything again just bring and let me explain it for you. You will never never see contradiction in Quran

Why the Qur'an is Unique because it is Only One Version – Arabic: There are no different versions of the Qur'an in the Arabic language, only different translations, but none of these would be considered to hold the value and authenticity of the original Arabic version

mazaje:

Lets go through it once again, since you are in a hurry to run to no where. . .

It is not for the polytheists to maintain the mosques of Allah [while] witnessing against themselves with disbelief. [For] those, their deeds have become worthless, and in the Fire they will abide eternally. 9:17

[You disbelievers are] like those before you; they were stronger than you in power and more abundant in wealth and children. They enjoyed their portion [of worldly enjoyment], and you have enjoyed your portion as those before you enjoyed their portion, and you have engaged [in vanities] like that in which they engaged. [It is] those whose deeds have become worthless in this world and in the Hereafter, and it is they who are the losers. 9:69

So whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it. 99:7

It seems english is a problem for you. . .9.17 and 9.69 clearly say that unbelievers and their deeds are worthless, but 99"7 clearly say whoever does an atom of good will see it. . .Who now is the liar?. . .

I can see where u get problem now let me explain it for you;
From verse 99:6-that they mankind will proceed in scattered groups that they may be shown their deed.
Explanation: which day Allah was talking about, "the day of judgement"
And He said people will scattered in groups, which group, "the believers and disbelievers"
The book of record of good and bad deeds of muslims will be given to them,

As for the others (disbelievers), it will be announced publicly that these are ones who lied against their Lord.

Allah now continue with the following verses that; 99:7-8,
8. So whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom shall see it
9. And So whosoever does evil equal to the weight of an atom shall see it

Moreover, S. 2:62 promises Christians reward for their good deeds. But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls Christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward.




[/quote]Quran 2:62, verily! Those who believe and those are jews and christian, and sabians.............
Here Allah was talking about pass nation used to live in Moses and Jesus that believed in Oneness of God and believe in original. Zabur and Injeel][quote author=mazaje]

mazaje:

The Koran is riddle with its own contradictions. . .

Will Allah reward the good deeds of Unbelievers? S. 9:17 and 9:69 clearly say no. However, S. 99:7 implies yes. Moreover, S. 2:62 promises Christians reward for their good deeds. But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls Christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward.

9:17
It is not for such as join gods with Allah, to visit or maintain the mosques of Allah while they witness against their own souls to infidelity. The works of such bear no fruit: In Fire shall they dwell.

9:69
As in the case of those before you: they were mightier than you in power, and more flourishing in wealth and children. They had their enjoyment of their portion: and ye have of yours, as did those before you; and ye indulge in idle talk as they did. They!- their work are fruitless in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will lose (all spiritual good).

99:7
Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it

I CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE A LIAR, WHERE IS CONTRADICTION THERE, These are not arabic language but English translation you still don't understand English]

mazaje:


Should Muslims show kindness to their parents? On the one hand, the Quran commands all Muslims to show kindness to their parents, even if they are disbelievers [17:23-24, 31:14-15, 29:8, etc.]. On the other hand, it demands not to show any love or friendship to those who oppose Muhammad, even if they are their parents [9:23, 58:22].


Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].

Were Warners Sent to All Mankind Before Muhammad? Allah had supposedly sent warners to every people [10:47, 16:35-36, 35:24], Abraham and Ishmael are specifically claimed to have visited Mecca and built the Kaaba [2:125-129]. Yet, Muhammad supposedly is sent to a people who never had a messenger before [28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:2-6]. This article also raises other issues: What about Hud and Salih who supposedly were sent to the Arabs? What about the Book that was supposedly given to Ishmael? Etc.

Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?

Further numerical discrepancies Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)? --- According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. --- There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death." [39:42] Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]

How many days did Allah need to destroy the people of Aad? One day [54:19] or several days [41:16; 69:6,7]

Quick or Slow Creation? Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is".
Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].
Calling together or ripping apart? In the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.
What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]

Will there be inquiry in Paradise? "neither will they question one another" [23:101] but nevertheless they will be "engaging in mutual inquiry" [52:25], "and they will ... question one another" [37:27].
Are angels protectors? "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].

Does Allah forgive shirk? Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur'an seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin

These are just a few. . .There are many more. . .

I don't need to go through others because you don't understand English may be I will advice you to get your language Quran maybe HAUSA, IGBO, YORUBA or whatever language you think of, you will get it.
Hope you understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

mazaje:


That isw according to the muslim narrative, do you know anything about any of them any where?. . .Some scholars have stated that there is nothing in the first century of the Koran that suggest anything like that, even the oldest copy of the Koran we have dates to the 9th century AD. . .






What is this?. . .

Mr don't kill yourself, you have no point at all but you try sha, I will just give 0.5 over 100 being u summon courage and say something.

Just go back to the tread once again and wake up around midnight, and re-think about my post am sure before morning you will leave your falsehood but if you still continue with it, that means you are among those who God said in Quran that HE will use MAN and STONE to fuel the fire in hell. Pls re-thing abt it again b4 death.

highyo: @ apostle ayeni, in Jesus name, you will accept Christ as your lord and savior.
And you shall evangelise the truth and you shall remain an ambassador of Christ till you end your journey here on earth.
Because it is written what soever I command in the name of Jesus shall be so, amen

[don't bother yourself, I accept jesus christ as a messenger and servant of God, the Son of Mary anything contrary to that is unacceptable.

Also, they asked Jesus christ are u son of God, jesus said:Matthew 26:63-64
63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

JESUS SAID NOTHING AND THEY CHANGED THE QUESTION THAT: Mark 14:61
61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

JESUS NOW ANSWERED YES: Mark 14:62
62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

SON OF BLESSED (who is Blessed)
Luke 1:28 & 48
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.]

highyo:
But for your question
1. The Apostle Thomas called Jesus God.

John 20:27-29: Then He [Jesus] said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

2. The Apostle Peter called Jesus God.

2 Peter 1:1: “Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ”

3. The Apostle Paul called Jesus God.

Titus 2:12b-14: “...we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.”

4. The Apostle John called Jesus God.

John 1:1-3, 14: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” See verse 14 for confirmation that this reference to the "Word" is a reference to Jesus.

5. God the Father called Jesus God.

Hebrews 1:8: “But to the Son He [God the Father] says: ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.’”

6. Isaiah the Prophet said the Messiah would be God.

Isaiah 9:6: “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

God the Father, in the Old Testament, is also called “Mighty God” in Isaiah 10:21, the same title that can be ascribed to the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

7. The Jews who crucified Jesus understood Him to be saying that He was equal with God.

John 5:18: “Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.”

John 10:33: “The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

8. Jesus called Himself “I AM”, the Old Testament name for God (Exodus 3:14).

John 8:58-59: “Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.”

9. Jesus calls Himself “the Alpha and Omega,” the title of Almighty God.

Revelation 22:12-13: “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Revelation 1:8: “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

10. Like God (Gen. 1:1) Jesus created.

Colossians 1:16-17: “For by Him [See context. This is speaking of Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.”

John 1:3: “All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.”

[CONTRADICTION TO UR POINT
Deuteronomy 4:39
39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

Deuteronomy 6:4
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

Isaiah 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Mark 12:29
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

1 Corinthians 8:4
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;]

highyo:
Yet if you are not satisfied, then I will wait for that day when I will listen to your preaching about Christ on radio and TV where you will be filled with the holyspirit and you shall explain better to me about Christ our savoir
Amen

You better leave ur falsehood and accept ONLY TRUE GOD, can't you see how you contradict urself and you expect me accept that without spell on me.
Am not the type you can deceive with your falsehood aftter many years in WORLD BIBLE SCHOOL

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mazaje:

Can you give us an example?. . .The Koranic narratives have no support any where outside the Koran. . .A few of the biblical narratives have support outside the bible from extra sources that are independent. . .The few stories of the prophets that were not mentioned in the bible are just so brief and lack any detail at all.

[Nawa for you, you like story too much without point. I posted some corrupted and contradiction of the bible and I asked you to produce the same like from Quran but nothing you can produce from it. I.e The Quran is a unique book]

mazaje:


Muslim and non-Muslim scholars alike disagree on whether Muhammad compiled the Qur'an during his lifetime or if this task began with the first caliph Abu Bakr as-Siddiq (632-634). Once the Qur'an was compiled, due to the unanimity of the sources, Muslims agree that the Qur'an we see today was canonized by Uthman ibn Affan (653-656). Upon the canonization of the Qur'an, Uthman ordered the burning of all personal copies of the Qur'an.

[those Names above, were they not the Companions of the Prophet, how many disciples of Jesus Christ that included in compilation of new testament? ]

mazaje:



Patricia Crone, studying the origins of the Qur'an, has focused on the examination of the vast body of the Greek, Armenian, Hebrew, Aramaic, Syriac and Coptic accounts of non-Muslim neighbors of the 7th and 8th centuries which in many cases contradict the traditional Islamic narratives. She argues that the consistency of the non-Muslim sources spread over a large geographic area would tend to rule out a non-Muslim anti-Islamic motive to these sources.

In well known Professor G.R. Hawting's academic review and in partial support of Puin's book, Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History,[51] Hawting says Puin refers "to some puzzling evidence that must be taken into account by anyone concerned by a period that is, indeed, in many ways obscure."[56]
The variations from the received text that he found seemed to match minor variations in sequence reported by some Islamic scholars, in their descriptions of the variant Qur'ans once held by Abdallah Ibn Masud, Ubay Ibn Ka'b, and Ali, and suppressed by Uthman's order.

Pls don't commit suicide, those anti-islam scholar that u mentioned why don't you bring the verses from Quran which they believed was not from God. I will advice u not to give yourself hypertension, just accept your faith that you are on the wrong path, all the story you brought here lack merit. ARE U HEARING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dexmond:
Are jinns demons?

The Qur’an and Sunnah indicate that jinn exist, and that there is a purpose for their existence in this life, which is to worship Allah Alone with no partner or associate. Allah Almighty says: “And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans, except they should worship Me (Alone).” (Adh-Dhariyat: 56)

Scholars are in disagreement over the difference between jinn and demons. Some of them say that the word jinn goes far to encompass the jinn as well as the demons. The word also includes believing and unbelieving jinn. Allah Almighty says, “And among us there are righteous folk and among us there are far from that. We are sects having different rules.” (Al-Jinn: 11) “And there are among us some who have surrendered (to Allah) and there are among us some who are unjust. And whoso hath surrendered to Allah, such have taken the right path purposefully.” (Al-Jinn: 14)

However, the word demon or shaytan is used to refer to the unbelieving ones among the jinn. Allah Almighty says, “…and the devil was ever an ingrate to his Lord.þ” (Al-Isra’: 27)

The world of the jinn is an independent and separate world with its own distinct nature and features that are hidden from the world of humans. Jinns and humans have things in common, such as the ability to understand and choose between good and evil.

The word jinn comes from the Arabic root meaning “hidden from sight”. Allah Almighty says: “… Verily he (shaytan) and his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe see you from where you cannot see them…” (Al-A`raf: 27

dexmond: How can a Muslim convert his jinn?

just follow what Allah said and the Sunah of the prophet[quote author=dexmond]

Decelebrity: slam,pls y is it dat we Muslim women has to endure and watch our husband marry many women?even when it is not convient with us,we jst have to pretend.

Firstly, Who are Muslims?
A Muslim is one who freely and willingly accepts the supreme power of God and strives to organize his life in total accord with the teachings of God.

Muslim is one whose needs conform to the Qur'anic commands and those of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and one of His command is Q4:3
........... Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

The point is, as Muslim women, we know that Allah has permitted the man to take as many as four wives, as long as he is able to meet certain conditions as set by Allah. Sadly, in spite of the emotions involved, it is as simple as that. It is the prayer of any sincere muslim woman to be able to hear and to obey, hence in this case also, we hear and we prat to obey.

dexmond:
Question.

Can one convert a demon into an angel?

[Allah created many creation and among his creation are Jin (demon) and angels. A creation can never change a creation, Is only Creator can change His creation]

dexmond:
Question.


Can one summon a demon like magicians do, subduing it and using the demon to his advantage?

Magic in all its forms is haram (impermissible) according to all divinely-revealed laws, and there is scholarly consensus that magic and learning magic are haram. 

Magic goes against that which the Messengers brought and it opposes the purpose for which the Books were revealed. ]

dexmond:

Question.


Can one summon a demon like magicians do, subduing it and using the demon to his advantage?

Sheik Maclatunji and Vedaxcool can enlighten us.

Allah says: 
“Sulaymaan did not disbelieve, but the shayateen (devils) disbelieved, teaching men magic…”[2:102]
This proves that magic and to use it to his advantage is kufr (disbelief)

Mintayo:


There is no point arguing with them because it is the same question they ask everyday!

[Why do you come here, if you don't want to argue you should have keep quiet

Mintayo:


They don't believ that Jesus is God

[can you differentiate btw God and Jesus]

Mintayo:


I pray that the Lord will open their eyes of understanding and d veils d devil is using to cover their faces will be open in Jesus' name!

Before satan covered my face with falsehood, but now God shows me the right path. I don't need ur prayer I should pray for you that God should show you the right path

mazaje:



The Koran is no different from the bible because its authors are also unknown. [/color]

...........WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QURAN...............

The Quran states explicity:26:192-93
26:192:Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds:
26:193:With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth-

Moreover its style of address gives the impression that it emanates from the Creator to the creature. All chapters except chapter nine, begin with formular: IN THE NAME OF GOD, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL'. The address is in the first Person and in numerous places God commands Muhammad (SWA) to say, I.e "Qul. Infact this command to say appear 332 times in the Quran. Other imperatives like "proclaim yourself" "proclaim" or "recite", "glorify your Lord" and many others have also been used.

The Quran nevertheless goes on to make a categorical assertion that no human being or jin can produce it: 17:88
Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.

Quran also spells out the method of disproving it for those who doubt its divine sources:
2:23:And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true

2:24:But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith

mazaje:




Some open minded scholars who understand arabic have read the Koran and said that is not what musliams claim it is in the original arabic. . .

Gerd Puin is a German scholar and the world's foremost authority on Qur'anic paleography, the study and scholarly interpretation of ancient manuscripts. He is a specialist in Arabic calligraphy:

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Can you tell what your scholar said about what muslim claimed in Arabic Quran.
Bbbblllllaaaabbbbbllllaaaaa................no point

mazaje:



The Qur'an claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or clear, but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur'anic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur'an is not comprehensible, if it can't even be understood in Arabic, then it's not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Qur'an claims repeatedly to be clear but is not-there is an obvious and serious contradiction. Something else must be going on."[/color]

Bbbbbblllllllllaaaaaabbbbbbblllllllaaaaaaa.............no authoritative references

mazaje:

Moses never existed as a historical figure and the Jews were never enslaved in Egypt, it never happened. No historical or archaeological evidence to support it, the scholarly consensus is that the exodus narrative is not historical. . .




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My man cool down, don't give urself hypertension. You are still saying the same thing. I ASKED YOU TO QUOTE THE VERSES OF QURAN THAT SAID WHAT YOU CLAIMED
Simple Question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

mazaje:



You need to learn things in perspective, just because a passage in a book says that scribes corrupted the word of god does not mean that the whole bible is corrupted after all when Jeremiah was written the bible was not complied at the time, the passage was just talking about scribes that use their corrupt pens to change the word of god, something that happens uptil

You still don't believe that the bible has corrupted, let me do it in this way to let you understand very clearly, I will quote some from verses that has corrupted and contradicted and I will like you to bring the same contradiction from Quran. ARE U UNDERSTOOD!!!!!!!!!

1a). 2 Samuel 24:1
24 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

1b). 1 Chronicles 21:1
21 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

QUESTION------( is lord of david then satan)


2a). 2 Samuel 8:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots.

2b). 1 Chronicles 18:4
4 And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots.

QUESTION--(seven hundred OR seven thousand)


3a). 2 Samuel 10:18
18 And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.

3b). 1 Chronicles 19:18
18 But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.

QUESTION--(seven hundred chariots OR seven thousand men? Forty thousand horsemen OR footmen? Shobach OR shophach)


4a). 2 Kings 8:26
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel

4b). 2 Chronicles 22:2
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

QUESTION---( twenty two OR forty two years)


5a). 2 Kings 24:8
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

5b). 2 Chronicles 36:9
9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord.

QUESTION---(eighteen yrs OR eight yrs? Three mths OR three mths and ten days)


FROM NEW TESTAMENT

1a). John 5:37
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

1b). John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?


2a). John 5:31
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

2b). John 8:14
14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.


ARE U SURE THAT THE BIBLE IS CORRUPTED (YES or NO)[/quote author=mazaje]