erico2k2:

U will need to have a quality you want in mind then you chose the quantity, is this for personal or commercial use?

You are so right bros. It all depends on what you want and its use. If it is personal I cant comment because I dont know your taste but if its commercial I did all my kitchen and wardrobes for 550k and then had to add another 20k. This is for 6 × 2 bedroom flats so all in all 12 wardrobes and 6 kitchens. Nothing fanciful. Just cheap and cheerful

Larwin:


Smile, rig is just a tool be it big or small. A small rig can work perfectly than big rig. The size na just design. American rigs are compact, Indians rig are the big. To me it shouldn't affect the price dat much. If a small rig will get me a discount of 150k then what is the bigger rig doing in the market.

I don't know his intents but it doesn't sound too good.

No discounts in naija oo. Its a gimmick. Run a mile and check properly. This is how they get you hooked then once they get you in you are at their mercy

I think you all have valid points but lets be realistic here even if you pay the highest price here in Nigeria it just does not guarantee you quality. Some people will still take all that money and slap you.

The best thing as mentioned is to buy your own materials and pay for supervision. That way at least the quality and quantity of materials used can be guaranteed. The workmanship and supervison may however be at an issue but that one can be monitored by someone one else.

I also believe that even after being beaten by a family member I will still advice this route. At least in my case we were still able to deal with my sister after what she did. Not sure how this will have been handled if it was pure outsiders.

Finally pray and pray and do well. As long as you always do well you will get over any hurdles that this builders or suppliers throw in front of you.
It has been a long hard journey but as I always say we are still standing and going strong and almost completed.

God is great

Edited. When I say family member I mean to monitor the supervisor or Engineer not to do the actual supervision and for such person please pay them for their services. Not formally but at least keep them happy as well so as not to encourage them to work wih the engineer or supervisor. Does not always work but worth doing

Larwin:


Seriously that's just it. If you are in the diaspora, what you should be after is quality even if it's at the expense of over paying though some people are bad.... they will over charge you and still won't deliver.
But me personally I don't support going after cheap service. As a professional, I don't offer it I have a corporate standard and as a person I don't go for it.

I think the reason for nt using family members for supervision is just to make everything formal. You can't possibly charge your family members to court if dey defraud u. If your builder didn't meet up with the agreement you can easily take strict steps against him. Giving somebody 10m, 20m at once is not done. It's not hearable. In ideal business world, you pay for project in percentages and not once.

No o. This is the cheapest option. Believe it. This is also built in. You dont need to cast anyting. Just wood on either side and front doors.

For built in wardrobes if u already have the area made for it from the onset then that may be cheaper but in my case i did not have that so this was my cheapest option

erico2k2:

Bro wont the inbuilt wardrobe be cheaper?

Bros,

These kitchens are very fine.

I am sure Madam will love it. As they say good soup na money kill am

Qc1:



My Oga, I'm thinking of these kitchens set up o...the wahala is where one will get a competent & skills contractor! If its up to me, I may compromise but my I've promised my wife she will never regret staying in naija and the kitchen is my weapon to ensure that.Had I know, I would have shut up!

You have done very well Bros. You will be finished very soon.

What do you plan on doing for your kitchens? As you know mine is for commercial purposes so kept it simple with Cheap Budget one worktop and one Cabinet for each kitchen and then standard 4 feet wardrobe for each room.
Some pics below


Landscaping currently costing 550 per sqm for molding and laying but I used granite not stonedust for molding. Final cost likely to be in the region of 550k to 650K. Hoping it's the former not the latter.

For painting I will definitely speak to Gbadebo. He has been very helpful to myself and a few others here who have used his services.

Tiling is the killer and to be honest not sure how one can cut corners on that. You need a good tiler and even the fake Chinese tiles cost an arm and a leg so be prepared to spend BIG on that

Qc1:



Na wa ooo!

E be like say we don buy market o!



Actually the major left in mine are landscaping, tiling, full kitchen and painting..my brother no be small thing o!

Let's be very clear with the dates. Does he mean Jan 2015 or Jan 2016?

To be honest I won't comment much on this issue until Brabus says something. The case sounds abit strange and Babalose does not seem to providing much information on this so Let's hear what Brabus has to say on this.

jossy26:


OK sir, good and happy Sunday, project started last year January, Bosun estimated 6months for carcass which I don't think it's impossible within that duration. This is August about 18months after that means he has defaulted by 12months.

Sir, what have you been doing about it for the past on year? I mean physically, offline... I went through your post I didn't see anywhere you castigated or spoke against nxthome why now? Why online? You need to do something about it. That money is not beans the economy is not smiling even the rich men are feeling it something drastic most be done asap, Bosun shouldn't escape this shyte this time. That chateau most come down. I hope he comes out to defend himself as he usually does...........

The area is Iba LASU and yes I think it comes under EKODC.

back2sender:

Brag3 which area is this? Is it Eko disco?

This is Iba near LASU. This was done about 6-7 weeks ago.
Just be careful and get all preparation work done before hand because it cost a fortune just to prep the work before NEPA came to install meters.

danowena:


Wow, kool. That is still reasonable. In which area is this?

Oga Haji.

Let me say this once and for all.

You do a very good job and no one and i repeat one can ever think otherwise.

Your work here should never be underestimated.

mufutau55:


No, you did not write anything. I just include some peoples name to be aware of what was happening and come to my defense.
You name was listed so that people will be aware that during your problem with Brabus, I was very involved
in that discussion. Sorry if you think I was addressing you. I need to modify the name list.
The only reason I wrote that was because I was directly called-out.

Hajji M.

Oga QC1.
You made me laugh with your post.
10m for finishing in Nigeria? I go laugh tire.
I was talking with my guys on here and I jokingly said after roof stage say na 10m kill the rest. Little did i know that I was fooling myself.
When you imagine having to tile everywhere with even cheap chinese stuff and you still spend over 3m on that then we no get choice.
I dread looking at my spreadsheet but lets say if its less than 20m I will be happy.

Finishing is a killer and I never even finish o. Interlocking happening now then paint go follow and you know that there is always one wahala or the other.

Whoever said property market in Nigeria is cheap needs to show me the book so i can learn where I went wrong

Qc1:


^^^

My man, how you dey?

I used to fool myself and kept saying finishing stage can't cost more than N10m after all, I've spent almost 3 times of that already. Ol'boy, the thing tire me ooo. I have no choice but to compromise on the quality of the finishing stages, however it's hard to start with high taste and finish with too much compromises. I've decided to take it one day at a time and do the best I can.


About brabrus/N3xt/Bosun Shoyeye...his time is just at his front door. The evil he does to others, including myself, will soon catch up with him. He who does good, let him continue and he who does otherwise let him continue too.


.

Oga Haji.

Pls where in my post did I insinuate or mention such?

You and I talk alot so you know that i know your stance on this so no need to say this.

No need to write this up Oga Haji

mufutau55:
@MMotimo
@3Strikes
@Brag3
@Mavverick
@All Others

Wow! I am really very surprised about your latest posts. Are you guys really thinking I am in cahoot with Brabus and getting some percentage of his stolen loot? I am very surprised none of you mentioned of my pas involvement in all this affairs both online and offline.
Some of you are even suggesting that I rebuke and ban Brabus from this thread... just because I opened the thread does not mean I have any authority over it.. ONLY Nairaland Admin has this power... I have been a Moderator of this forum before, so I know.
I did not comment in the latest brouhaha because I know my level and I don't need any insult from anyone. I cannot trade barbs.
I do not know Brabus or any of you, we all met here... I have no personal relationship with Brabus...
So I tell you guys frankly, I AM NOT AFRAID OF ANYONE and not Brabus in particular. And I have nothing to hide.
Go to Brag3 thread, you will see how much I have condemned Brabus... I speak as I see it.
I decided not to comment here because as I have said before this thread was not opened for that purpose.
I opened a thread to make people see how bad things had gotten in Properties Forum but nobody cared to move there.

So, If I had posted and said. "Brabus, you are thief please don't post here anymore" would that have solve this case?.. I don't think so.
But if you guy still think I have been a useless Elder, then I think it's time for me to pack up and leave Properties Forum meaning that I have overused my presence and purpose. So I await everyones insults.

I know many people are frustrated because no one wants to lose any money to a fraudsters and not especially a kobo-kobo man like me.
So I can relate to those people.

Thank you.

Hajji M.

Bros Erico, we dey o.
Finishing stage now so all hands on deck.
How your side bros?

erico2k2:
Bragg
Long time no see.how's the build

First of all thank you for your detailed write-up. You definitely took the time to analyse the issues here (and in our country as a whole) and got it spot on.

As a victim of Brabus I have been silent on the subject for some time, not because I don’t have anything to say but because I need to channel a lot of my energy to completing the final phase of our project and get it over and done with it. For this I had to take sometime away from NL only to come back and see nothing has really changed.

It’s so funny when people decide to direct victims to our various law enforcement bodies knowing fully well what the outcome will be.
Everybody knows our story with Brabus so not going to dig that up. It’s all there for the world to see and unfortunately or fortunately will be there forever.

Some have even mentioned that some of the victims are fools because they gave Brabus their money and went on holiday while he committed his atrocities. Some will even go further and say that we wanted something cheap so we all deserve what we got. To those saying all this all I can say is that I won’t wish what has happened to us to happen to you but when you enter such shoes I hope you find someone to share your pain with.

Lets take a look at our law enforcement bodies and give a good example of personal experience. I have reported a developer to the police for refund of payment of land that has been purchased since over 6 years ago yet no land has been given to us. The matter was reported to the Ilupeju police station and the developer was arrested and locked up for some days. To even get this done we had to cough up 30,000 naira.

That’s further expenses incurred to start getting something back.

Now after this same developer signed affidavit with his lawyer to start paying back the money, the day first payment was going to start he (yes the same developer) took our matter to Alagbon to go and report us that we have been harassing him and that we have gone against his human rights and that he wants to bring a case against.

Lucky for us Alagbon saw through him and arrested him again and what do you know (yes he signed another affidavit) to start paying the money again commencing December last year. The total amount due was 7 million naira which has been paid over 6 years ago so we all know what 7 million naira is worth now. He started paying the money back only for him to pay 3.5M and now said he is taking us to court for defamation of character. He said we have been advising people not to buy land from him and telling them all sorts so he is now suing us for 10 million naira. Can you imagine this? What some people will try with you in this Nigeria.


Alagbon are now telling us to try and see some reason with him and settle this matter because if the case goes to court and we win they can tell the man to be paying back 50K a month. How long will that take for us to recoup 3.5M? To compound the matter The police always take 5% of whatever the man pays us so the 3.5M already got has been less 5%. So if at all we get our money back it will be 7M less 700k after 6/7/8 or even 9 years.

What a joke. Now you all shout from behind your fancy keyboards and tell the victims to take their case to EFFC and get justice. In this same Nigeria? OK o, lets carry on.

Brabus, Brabus, I will tell you this. The people advising you not to do the right thing don’t really have your interest at hand and I will you why. You see you are doing these things with some people in diaspora who for one reason or the other may not decide to go down the route of jungle justice. This in my opinion is why you have been escaping but it’s only a matter of time before you do it to the wrong person who has nothing to lose.
It won’t even be up to 50K. it will be something very small and you will follow the same route and try and form “I know pass you” and that will be your big downfall.

Only you and you alone know what wrongs you have done and only you and you alone know what you have to do to make things right but please don’t let people fool you into making you feel invincible. You are extremely far from that.

The hands of justice are closing in on you and like a number of people have said here, You won’t even see it coming. I can only hope and pray it does not result in the loss of lives but I won’t be surprised if it comes to that.

A word (or in your case a lot of words) is enough for the wise.

MMotimo:
Brag3
Neophytemason
Ahonahoi
Babalose
Vimo3
3strikes
Qc1
Maverick
Jaydacorsair


What do all these people have in common? The above are the known ones who have overcome their embarrassment at being duped and have taken the bold step to come out despite being ridiculed by others. I am certain there are a lot more on and off Nland. The ones up there are the tales we have heard, clients of n3xt / brabus.

It is easy to say "let's move on" afterall you and I have not lost money to him. Let's move on but leave him to post here so that we can benefit from his internet searches and photos from other Builders' sites. For those in the diaspora who may not know, getting photos from a site in Naija is really as simple as walking on there to take photos with or without greasing palms. As long as the real builder is not on Nland to raise dust, the audience still believes they are looking at photos from the fraudster's projects.

I am embarrassed for the many gentlemen on this site who are professionals in their fields and maintain a gentleman mien in their different locations abroad but are very comfortable fraternizing with a confirmed criminal element. So, a group of men hang out together in a beer parlour (this thread) and award building contracts to someone in their midst who presents himself as a Builder (n3xt / brabus ). He goes and robs their homes but still comes back to hang out at the beer parlour with victims and non victims alike. The victims keep making noise but the non victims tell them to keep quiet and let the faaji continue, afterall the beer parlor is not a police station. Decent men would tell the fraudster in their midst that he is no longer welcome until he at least apologizes to all victims and refund all monies but you see the very typical selfish behavior exhibited here over and over again.

This beer parlor is where he lays his traps and lies in wait, exactly as someone said up there. But it makes more sense to the selfish brethren to ban victims from here to another thread far from this one, another thread with less than 30 posts in 2 months and leave brabus to continue with his trade here. Let's just pretend victims have no right to be hurting even though none of us would willingly gift millions of naira to a criminal.

Alhaji S. I noticed everyone is unwilling to call you out on this issue so I will. Why? Because I am Yoruba like you and I have no alliances nor have I obtained any favors from Builders or clients. My conscience is clear. No offence to any other tribes but I speak of what I know. To whom much is given (respect in this section), much is expected. Maybe I simply missed where you have asked Brabus to stop posting on your thread until he does the right thing but I don't think so. I have noticed your requests though that the victims go to other threads created by yourself and n3xt to air their complaints. Very interesting! The fraudster is free to post here and ignore victims but not victims? S-e-r-i-o-u-s-l-y? ? ? You have been named an elder here and would appear to be the most elderly on this thread but what kind of elder refuses to voice out against repeated injustices? Because the victims have not obtained court judgements against him? Because their allegations have "not been proven in court?" Unlike folks like eghosajohnny who can be summarily condemned? Alhaji S, what would the Naija community in NY think of your silence and deflection in the face of what is going on here? Rhetorical question only, no response needed.

Here is where I remind all those who are members of professional bodies of ethical obligations when posting here. Nland is not out of the reach of ethical standards you have sworn to uphold. If you work for a large organization, this is also the time to go check your employer's social media policy so that you will be guided when you post. Even with using non work devices to post on Nland, you can be fired for behavior and utterances that are untoward and which your employer considers indicting.

The bible says "be ye not partakers of other men's evil." A man reaps what he sows. For actively encouraging a fraudster and shouting to quiet his victims so that you can receive advice for your builds, do you not know you will reap what you have sown? Same people are surprised when others not named brabus rip them off. There are many n3xts in the building industry and each enabler of fraud will find his own tormentor. It's really as simple as that, just stating a fact of life. The only difference is that the fraudster that cleans you out may not even have presentation skills anywhere as good as n3xt. Some of the people building homes in Naija are only one brabus /n3xt builder/supplier away from bankruptcy. How many of you can afford to lose colossal amounts of money to n3xt without declaring bankruptcy? ?

N1.7 million missing on neophyte's Ile Oluji thread, N1.5 million on vimo3's site, major rework done on their builds by other victims, running into millions of naira. Everybody facing cost overruns because of one man's greed. Truth is wherever there is money, thieves abound. It's like bees and honey. Potential loot is a couple of millions on an average one storey building so the stakes are high. Why do you think n3xt is always here pushing plagiarized innovations and answering questions before the next victim or n3xt establishes email/phone/text contact? If he was able to recruit new clients on his threads, do you think he would be posting here?

From what I have seen, N3xt has an established pattern of premeditated large scale fraud. In saner climes, he should have had court judgements ruin him into bankruptcy by now because there is ample evidence to back litigation. In Nigeria, it is easy to tell victims to go to court aka waste some more money on a nefarious character but we all know how the system works. I'm yet to hear n3xt refunded anyone's money in full so I am not expecting to hear of any refunds. Career criminals never make any headway because they will never enjoy contentment or peace of mind. Building a house in the village cannot buy that, stealing millions cannot buy it, all the money in the world cannot buy it either. Look inwards, look around you and ask yourself if you are truly happy. You cannot be because awon apanilekunjaiye do not experience peace of mind nor happiness. The self destructive behavioor keeps pushing for more and more and it is never enough

From what I have seen here, N3xt is a sociopath, unfeeling, lacking a conscience, and totally unrepentant. What will be his end? Your guess is as good as mine.

For anyone still considering giving him a chance knowing all that he has done, you are free to but do not expect an about turn. A decent man would consider the disgrace he has suffered and seek to redeem himself when given another opportunity and prove his "haters" wrong. The forces driving n3xt do not push him into that line of thinking.

Recently had 9 1 phase meters installed. the 9 forms cost 40k to be signed and installation 15k for all the meters. Each meter cost about 39k

danowena:

The 68k is official as you pay it to the bank. But I was told the contractors will not stamp ur form and send it for processing if u don't pay the 15-10k stamping fee. And if u prove stubborn, u may wait indefinitely for ur Meter.
I am not surprised about their installation fee at all.
Ikeja gives the Meter for free. I challenged eko on this when I went to their head office. They said whatever we pay is removed gradually from our bill.

Haha, Sege no need to know but just know you are working on my brother's project.

We trust you it will come out as your other outstanding work.

Keep it going well.

segcymoor:

Oh! Is ur brother Chris or Kenny?

Very nice work Sege. More Kudos.

I also know you are handling my brothers work so I am sure that will go very well too.

Keep up the good work.

I only have one slight observation based on the color combination for the exterior. I think the colors used could have been more vibrant to portray a more homely feel but that is just my take and I am no expert but you have done a fastactic job.

segcymoor:
We do structures right!

Let's get this right before we deceive ourselves Brabus did this on purpose. Brabus is (or claims to be a computer graduate/expert) so he knows alot of tools available out there to hide the clients details but chose to ignore this. This shows a total lack of respect for his clients privacy.
Mind you why are we surprised? He did exactly the same thing to us when he pasted all our architectural/structural drawings online names on it.

Brabus I know you are reading this so do the needful and get this info deleted asap. This is just another blot on your already damaged reputation (if you still have one)

mavverick:
So this is where the ARIYA is !

On a more serious note, Bosun no matter what you could be going through with your client.

[size=18pt]CAN YOU AS A MATTER OF URGENCY REMOVE THE CLIENTS NAME AND ACCOUNT NUMBER FROM THE SCREENSHOT. THERE ARE A LOT OF FRAUDSTERS OUT THERE, AND THE OTHER DAY WHEN YOU PLACED SOME OF MY CONFIDENTIAL DETAILS ON A PUBLIC FORUM LIKE THIS, I WAS GETTING A LOT OF 419 EMAILS ETC.

I AM SURE YOU ARE EDUCATED TO A LEVEL WHERE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT CONFIDENTIALITY MEANS OR ISN'T THAT IN YOUR DICTIONARY ?
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Trust me in my case it was a complete waste of time. I asked my neighbours for over 4 months and they kept posting me. After that they stopped picking their phones and it nearly resulted in full on insults so I had to bite the bullet and do the fence myself.

Most Nigerians never contribute to anything unless it is directly impacting them in a way that they cant avoid. if not it wont happen.

Just look at all the beautiful houses in some nice areas and then check out the roads they reside on and you see where I am coming from.

msogunro:
My land has been cleared (2 plots) and is now ready for fencing. My neighbor on my left has already started building his structure, but did not build a fence. My neighbor's behind me and to my right have not yet cleared the land.

How have you negotiated with your neighbors to build a fence? I feel like they should be contributing since they will have 1/4 of their fencing completed if I fence my land.

Am i wasting my time if I ask them to contribute?

Haha, what is the shovel for?

mavverick:
Yahoo Boy With Shovel !

@Fash, looking good bros. I am glad the tiler is doing a good job for you.

Let me know if he steps out of line anytime

fash78:
More tiling work

I used Step tiles 0.55mm gauge Sumo Aluminium purchased from Standard Aluminium.

So far so good but it was only done last year.

sako28:
Dear all,

Have any one use Sumo Aluminum product before? What the experience like and what gauge will u recommend.

Thank you

Sako

Thank you. And you point is to let them live free of charge?
Note I am advocating any violence but if tenants refuse to pay their rents and nowhere to be found please advice what to do.

Thanks again

ADAMUdaCOWBOY:

Try locking the door of a crazy tenant and see if you don't live to regret taking the law into your hand

Trust me I wont exchange words with you here. Does me or you no good. Goodluck being a Landlord and hope you get tenants that don't pay you rent. Amen

ogawisdom:


Lol u sound like a juvenile, well sorry to disappoint u I am a landlord already. I will never engage in such barbaric behavior with my tenants.

U can go hang ur illiterate body ode

I am totally relaxed here but I still don't get your point?

Are you condoning this or not? So because some people live for 3 months free and not move out means this Landlady is lucky?

I have no beed with you and if you are a land lord kudos to you but your response to OP still baffles me.

Skain:
Relax ogbeni, you don't know if I own a house already. I'm just saying from experience there are some tenants that will owe you 3months rent and still not ready to move out peacefully.

This is the best response so far..........

pato231:

lol i see a kid trying to be all grown up here, i do not need to Google tenancy agreement because i have been a landlord Long before you started earning money to feed yourself( That is if you do). What is the real world? that people should not act and live responsibly?
I know your type, kid from the gutter, never do well and always wanting to be the villian. Lets be glad you are typing from the comfort and protection of your computer, i would have given you reason to consult your uncles.

I guess you will never be a Landlord so your point has been duly ignored.

I pray someone never tries to take bread from your family's mouth as that is what you are advocating.

OP owes rent and your advice is for him to break d lock and gain posession.

Try this with some really mad landlords and its not only your possesions that will be locked up.

ogawisdom:


She is wrong to use self help to recover possession, if she wants to eject u she has to follow the law.

Since u really intend to move out, break dt lock and gain possession dt house still technically belongs to u until ejected even if u r owing. After that maintain u didn't kw its ur landlady dt locked it since she never informed u anyway. Nothing will happen and from there u guys will make little trouble n then settle things

If anybody locks my house while I am away I will break it once I am arnd immediately n face d result infact I will maintain I think it's thieves dt wants to steal my properties.

Op dnt b a coward act nw n dnt allow dt illiterate woman to maltreat u. Break d rubbish lock its jst common sense Yes u r wrong to owe electric bill n one month rent but she is wrong to lock ur houz absolutely.

Is like some landlords dt will remove d roof of ur house for owing dt is self help n d law does nt accommodate it

All d comments I read r jst sentimental.

And why should she be happy that he is moving out after month?

Is rent now free here in Lagos? Why are you encouraging such practices? I guess its people like you that will never be Landlords/landladies.

I just dont get how we think in Nigeria.

Skain:
Some landlords sha...
How much does she want to collect for 1month now, she should even be happy you're moving out after just 1month.

Op go and meet her and explain your situation with her she might pity you afterall.

Very true and thanks again.
Will get them to install it this week

mufutau55:


They can still do it... A friend who has completed his building also installed one after...

Note: I know, he Dasuki thing was just a joke... if we be Dasuki people we will not be here trying to learn and save, nah big time contractor for don handle our project without even seeing the blocks they use in building it.

Hajji M.

KolaShangOne:


Exactly sir. I reckon you will install one of those 5[b] million naira Samsung curve TVs in your palace.. And BOSE sound systems running into millions.
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The one kain Thunder strike will now fry everything.

Lightning that could have been arrested with 80k.

Haha, we no be Dasuki but you always make very valid points.

I will definitely install one this week. The only question I have is that since house has been roofed already will this be a difficult process to retro-fit?

Thanks again

mufutau55:


You should install one... The way I look at it is that N80k is not gonna kill me after spending several millions on my build; instead it will save me some headache in future. So Thunder Arrestor is worth installed.
I did mine for like N77,000 hence I put N75k-N80k, and many people I know are about the same range.
Anything more than the above cost will be a rip-off. But then Dasuki's cost will be different o.

Hajji M.

Some more infomation needed here.
Are you saying that your rent expired since end of May 2016 and you have had not communication with your land lady?
I am pretty sure that before rent expired some communication must have occured. I doubt she will just lock you out without any prior communication but I may be wrong.

The picture you paint looks a bit fussy.