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Marcwilliems: Jeez . . . what's this ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Enigma: Enigma, Its very obvious these folks know nothing about studying/interpreting scripture. They only have the crap they got from their heretic preachers and shamelessly spew out ![]() |
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davidylan: No David, My write-up doesn't contain any http links at all. Dunno what the problem is. JeSoul: Sis, no mind me, jare. Its so disheartening reading their posts. I mean, look at this - Marcwilliems: I thank God with all my heart for pulling me out of that mess. Its really frightening. ![]() |
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Enigma: Thanks and God bless for pointing this out. ![]() Its a trademark of WoLFers to lift verses out of context and distort to suit their heresies. Marcwilliems: @Marcwilliems, There's just one thing I seem to like about your defense of our dear pastor here. It seems to me that you know that if he really did say that he cut himself and put it back, then there's something seriously wrong going on. Again Sir, I know what I heard. If you really believe I've "misquoted" him ![]() To even think that Pastor Chris has been on about this Superhuman thing for years (I used to be a member of CEC) and even did a sermon which was recorded and titled (in part) . . . the life of a SUPERMAN. The choir (led by sis. Osi) even did a "customized" song to go along with it. Some of the lines where something like: I'm a "super super superman" . . . and all of us dey jump dey dance dat time . . . It is well o ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Marcwilliems: Really wish I had enough time online to talk about these issues. Your post here is a classic representation of CEC plc (according to KunleOshob ![]() I'll address only one of the things you said because I know that when it comes to studying/understanding the bible, you people simply take your heads off and just believe whatever the man of gawd tells you. You said that the greek version renders it 2 Cor 5:17 "IF ANY MAN BE IN CHRIST HE IS A NEW SPECIES OF BEING". I put it to you that is not true. [b]Thats what Pastor chris and the others told you the greek version says, and you have never checked it out yourself. Prove me wrong by posting it here and be sure to include your source. The NIV is one of the most literal translations of the bible in modern English we have today. Here's how it renders that verse: Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! - NIV And below are other translations: This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun! - NLT So there is a new creation when any man is in Christ. The old life has passed away, behold, the new is come. - MNT So that if any one is in Christ, he is a new creature: the old state of things has passed away; a new state of things has come into existence. - WNT |
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@dominique, Thanks fo your post. manmustwack didn't answer me in that thread. He just asked if I was trying to advertise anything and I wasn't. I even attached the word file containing the text i was trying to paste for any of the mods who could help to look rhtough (if they'll have the time to). Its a purely religious write-up and I dunno why they still haven't responded.
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ukotmi: Hello, I did hear him very clearly. I remember his exact words - "when I first discovered these things, I would cut some/part (not sure which word he used here)" . . . I also remember his demonstration as he said this. He wasn't talking about "sustaining" a wound. The only time he talked about sustaining injury was not about himself, but about Jesus as a little boy. He said he was sure that Jesus as a little boy would heal up (you know, X-Men style ![]() I also noticed that in your post you did not ask if i heard him correctly but simply asserted that that wasn't what he said. Just dunno what to say to you. I mean, he (Pastor Chris) has said more damning things than that. Lastly, you said you saw the said broadcast/video. I don't know, I wasn't there with you. But I'll bet it wasn't the same video we saw or it was you who didn't hear him well or simply didn't believe your ears! ![]() You read my write-up? Good. I was in a restaurant and watched that video with just one other person (a guy) and he was just as surprised as I was after Pastor chris said that he used to cut out part of his flesh and put it back. I know what I heard okay? I just wonder why you're so quick to defend him even though he's known to say crappy stuff like that. |
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afiq: Bros its really interesting o, I saw the video/tv broadcast in december and swore to bring it up here. Just help me pray to the mods to do something about their spam bot that has been acting like a member of CEC plc (according to KunleOshob ![]() |
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KunleOshob: I thought of that too and tried it this morning but got in trouble with the bot again. I've complained, AGAIN, requesting that I be unbanned and asking for any tips from the mods that might help. Really dunno wats wrong sha. I feel this thread is even embarrasing. Wish there was a way to delete it. I mean, after seeing the title you come here and then nothing to read related to he title. Anyway sha, |
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Na wah o! I've used every means I can to get the attention of any NL mods who can help do something about your spambot that keeps accusing me of SPAM and withdrawing my posting privileges and deleting my threads. Today I lost my posting privileges (for the 1000th time in 3 weeks I think) for just pasting a portion of the text. Just so you see for yourself the text I've been pasting isn't SPAM in anyway, I've attached a copy of the write-up to this post. You do not need to read it. Just glancing through should be enough. Thanks for your time. ![]()
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Marcwilliems: This is exactly why I wanted to start this thread. So folks like you can see exactly how these men have twisted the scriptures and somehow engraved it in your minds. Just wish some NL moderator could help out with this. |
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KunleOshob: Na true o! ![]() But how can they pull something like that off? There are other threads on pastor chris and the other big name celebrity pastors that haven't been locked and the posters haven't lost their posting privileges as a result. I don complain tire. I even opened a thread to ask for the mods' help and attached a copy of the write-up I've been trying to paste (and getting banned over, being accused of SPAM) - https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-406138.0.html#msg5606771 |
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It was sometime around 10pm, three days to Christmas last December. I’d just finished my meal in a restaurant close to my hostel in school (UNILAG) and was just about leaving when I heard Pastor Chris’ voice over the TV (Atmosphere for Faith) and looked up hoping it wasn’t a mere ad and that the programme was really just about to start so I could watch. I hadn't had the time to watch him preach or listen to any of his tapes for quite a while so I felt this was a rare chance to do so and I could spare some extra 30 minutes. What’s more? I was in a really good mood! I mean, after a plate of well cooked egusi soup and eba (my favourite). I decided to relax and watch. After the introductory montage a lady came on and did the usual prep talk. Something like – “get ready to hear the word of God from the man of God Pastor Chris”… bla, bla, bla. Then the main man himself came on. It was an excerpt from a full length video from a conference they had. He was mostly spewing out his usual crap about the Christian being more than meets the eye, in the sense that when you become a Christian, you become some kind of superhuman. And then he gave the most shocking example I'd ever heard, as an illustration. He said “years ago when he first discovered these things”(the supposed secret about the superhuman capabilities of the Christian), he would cut some of his flesh out (pointing to his arm) and after some time, place the flesh back from where he cut it out and “decree” or “command” or “speak” the flesh back into place and before long, the cut out flesh would blend back into his body – the bleeding would stop, it would heal up and even look as if nothing happened there. No scars. No pains. [size=14pt]Why I brought this up[/size] Simple answer – the bible nowhere teaches this [color=#990000]17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. [/i] – 2 Corinthians 5:17 (RSV) The problem comes from the part where it says “he is a new creation”. I remember he (Pastor Chris) said some years ago in other videos, that this meant that the Christian is a “new species”- “one that didn’t exist before”. "One made in the class of God". Well, this is nowhere near what the bible is actually talking about when it speaks of the born again Christian being a new creature. [size=14pt]A common mistake[/size] One of the most common mistakes the professing church makes today when trying to interpret the scriptures is to pluck a verse out of its original context and then twist it to mean whatever they want it to. That’s called lifting scripture out of context! Back in SSCE days, we were taught the importance of interpreting sentences or statements in the context of the passage it was lifted from. I haven’t taken a look at recent UME Use of English past question papers but I can tell you, as a veteran, that it is tested every single year. I remember when we were being taught to attempt those kinds of questions in UME prep classes. We were warned over and over again not to give in to the temptation of interpreting the statement/sentence with any preconceived notions or ideas we may have had about the statement or sentence. I love JAMB! They’re very clever. If you tried to answer the question with a preconceived notion, which is usually a common one they know most people will be familiar with, you will surely find that answer among the options! And it was always the wrong answer to pick. What were they trying to teach us? To learn to interpret the things we read – comments, statements and sentences that are part of a larger body of text, IN THEIR PROPER CONTEXT! And that surely includes bible verses and passages. And we’re going to correct that mistake here, as regards 2 Corinthians 5:17, as it is (to the best of my knowledge) one of the verses of scripture that’s commonly abused in this way. Let’s take another look at it: 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. [i] – 2 Corinthians 5:17 (RSV) You see, by isolating this verse of scripture, it’s very easy to impose any crazy interpretation to it, like most of our current crop of preachers do. Some of them in ignorance, others deliberately. And this is what I believe Mr. Oyakhilome has done (does, actually, as it’s one of his favourites) with this verse. [size=14pt]Comparing scripture with scripture[/size] One more thing before I continue. The next most common error modern-day church folk make in interpreting scripture is that they fail to compare it with other related scriptures. This is the proper thing to do when the original, immediate context of the verse(s) doesn’t seem to reveal much about the verse in question. Like someone put it, you let “scripture interpret scripture”. And this is what we’re going to do in trying to understand what 2 Corinthians 5:17 really is about because the immediate context doesn’t say much to completely clear up the air about the meaning of verse 17, unless you start reading from chapter 1 verse 1 and pay close attention. I encourage you to please make out time and read 2 Corinthians from the very beginning right up to the end of chapter 5 or better still, all the way to chapter 13, so you can get the full picture. Paul nowhere said anything about being superhuman. While reading, please remember the bible originally wasn’t written in verses and chapters. That was introduced much later for easy referencing. You’ll agree with me that 1 Corinthians chapters 1 – 5 would be a little too much to paste here right? So we’ll look at another verse that explains it better. Thankfully it’s Paul writing here too. 22 Put off your old nature which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24 and put on the new nature, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness. 25 Therefore, putting away falsehood, let everyone speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another. 26 Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and give no opportunity to the devil. 28 Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his hands, so that he may be able to give to those in need. 29 Let no evil talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for edifying, as fits the occasion, that it may impart grace to those who hear. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, with all malice, 32 and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you. [color=#990000][/color] - Ephesians 4 I think verses 22-24 really clarify what Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 5:17. The Christian is “renewed” and given “a new heart”. A heart that now not only longs to live the holy and righteous life God has always desired, but is now empowered by God to do so. Biblically, this is a marked departure from the norm with unsaved people (Jeremiah 17:9). So Paul wasn’t talking about people becoming new, “superhuman” creatures when they become Christians. Like a friend of mine pointed out when speaking about this issue sometime ago, everything about the person remains the same. His name remains the same, his face remains the same, his wife and kids remain the same, his job remains the same, his bank account remains the same and err… his car doesn’t suddenly turn into a space ship. Christians are completely normal everyday people with no superhuman abilities whatsoever, except for God’s saving grace that cleanses us from sin as result of faith in work of Christ and a new heart to live righteously for God right in the midst of a sinful and rebellious world. And no, Christians can’t cut out their flesh, place it back and then decree it back into place. Soon I hope to do a follow up article called the “The Superhuman Complex part II – The lie that Christians can’t be sick”. Other scriptures to read up: Ephesians 2:1-10, Titus 2:11-14, Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:26. |
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toba: what are you ranting about? ![]() ![]() ![]() @woye77, Yes it includes tithes, firstfruits, sheave offering, wave offering, sabbath keeping, the jewish festivals etc. DOn't have much time now would've loved to discuss more on this issue. P.S. had to create a separate ID because I tired creating a new thread but kept getting an unusual error message till I was suprisingly told that my posting privileges have been withdrawn. Taught it was another error message but lo and behold, ![]() I'll manage this one till the site administrators restore my posting privileges. |
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