sulasa07:

Story for the kids, if it's ur part you believe, but others part you neglect.
That's called Hypocrisy and Double Standards and it's the number 1 reason the world is how it is today.
Nigeria as a whole and Northern Nigeria is a good example
What's the problem with you people generalising all Muslims as one, "You've heard Muslims saying this, that, doing this , doing that.
How has what they said or did my problem.
There are 1billion + Christians worldwide, are you all the same.
Even people from the same Father and Mother act differently and oppose one another on different issues.
Stop putting us all in the same basket.
When one Muslim or a group does wrong, you blame us all but if one or group does good, you say it's only the individual or the group while if a Christian does wrong, you don't blame the whole Christians but if one does good, you claim all Christians are good.
Stop deceiving urselves and stop Double Standards

There is nothing that ISIS did in Iraq and Syria that cannot be justified directly by Muhammad's actions or the actions of the Sahaba. That's the difference. By their fruits, you shall know them

Story for the kids? I asked you a simple question

Show me in the bible where it teaches to conquer people and force them to believe in what you believe in.

If I'm lying, it should be easy to disprove me by quoting the bible.

Even people from the same Father and Mother act differently and oppose one another on different issues.
Agreed. That's why we need to go back the source so we can know who is right and truly following the religion. Like I said, anyone can claim anything.
Your prophet was a TERRORIST. This is not my own words or me trying to insult him. This is his OWN WORDS:

"I have been victorious by TERROR" Sahih Muslim 523
- There are stories in Islamic sources of people that were not at war with him fleeing when they heard that he was approaching their Villages. - He personally ordered the assassination of people that did nothing except speaking against him and criticizing him.
- He tortured a man for money
- He dispatched letters to other nations and told them to convert or else....
- and he said he will EXPEL the Christians and Jews from the Arabian peninsula (Coincidentally that's the same thing that ISIS wanted to do before they were stopped)

sulasa07:

If it's the Prophet, I accept. He was ordained by GOD
Same happened with your Prophets in the Bible, didn't it.

NO. Show me in the bible where it teaches to conquer people and force them to believe in what you believe in.

You're probably referring Moses, Joshua and the Conquest of Canaan but there God was using the Israelites to enact Judgment on the Amorites. He gave the Amorites 400 years to repent from their sins and after they didn't they were Invaded and chased out by the Israelites.

After the Israelites took the land, God warned them and told them he won't hesitate to do the same to them if they turned away and sinned like the Amorites. Just as the Israelites were God's instruments in enacting judgement on the Amorites, He would also give them up to other Nations and use those Nations to enact Judgement on them.

And that's exactly what happened when the:
- Assyrians wiped out 10 tribes of Israel
- the Babylonians Invaded Judah and took the remaining two tribes as captives and destroyed the first temple.
- The Romans destroyed the second temple and Jerusalem

I've heard Muslims say that Jews made Judaism racist by calling themselves the "Chosen people" (and sure, there are Jews that are racist) but God did not spare them because of their "Chosen" status.

The other wars in the bible fall into three broad categories:
- The Israelites fighting in self defence and taking revenge on people that attacked them
- The Israelites fighting among themselves (Civil wars)
- The Israelites going on the offensive and losing (Because God didn't tell them to).

There's no open ended command in the Bible like Quran 9:29 i.e Fight those who DO NOT BELIEVE....until they pay the Jizya in submission. This verse means that an Islamic states foreign policy towards other nations is to consider them as enemies first because those WHO DO NOT BELIEVE are meant to be fought (Even if the Muslims don't have the power to at the moment).

That's why your scholars came up with the idea of:
Dar al-Islam - Territory/land of Islam (Muslim majority nations/countries)
Dar al-Harb - Territory/land of War (Non Muslim countries who aren't paying the Muslims Jizya).

Even if those countries aren't attacking Muslims in any way, the default Islamic position is to consider those countries as lands of war.

That's it.
After Joshua defeated the Amorites and their allies that was It. He didn't try to spread "Judaism" to the whole world like Muhammad and Islam. The Israelites even lived alongside the other Canaanite tribes like the Moabites and Ammonites and (though it was discouraged) they even intermarried. David's great grandmother Ruth was a Moabite.
The Wars in Bible were very specific, they weren't open ended commands like Islam and they all ended with the Old testament.

So don't try to lump Muhammad together with the Old testament prophets. They were totally different.

sulasa07:

The king should have put up resistance but he didn't, it showed he was a weak king.
No wonder that most Arabs are still weak today
OR it could be he saw the truth in the Prophet (SAW)

So let's just be clear, you're okay and see no problem with people saying:

"Hey believe in what I believe in, else I'll invade and destroy your land"

??

sulasa07:

Therefore, you may also forgive them of the people of Bahrain whoever want to continue in their Jewish or Zoroastrian faith, should be made to pay Jizya.

Seal: Muhammad, the Prophet of God"[12]= I just brought out part of the message which says people can continue practising their religion. He invited all the neighbouring kings to Islam, how is that a threat?

Is Bahrain the same as Oman ??

I hope you will accept Islam, but if you do not, then you will lose your country, and my horsemen will invade your territory and my prophecy will dominate your country.

My horsemen will invade your territory. I guess that's not a threat in the fantasy opposite world that you live in.

I asked about Oman and you picked Bahrain Lmao
suddenly, you lost your ability to read and Identify places on a map (If you were truly uncertain). This is the mental gymnastics that you have to engage in to defend your Prophet and it's just beginning.

and don't worry we'll come back to Bahrain because you actually believe that there's nothing wrong with that letter. For now, let's talk about Oman.

sulasa07:

Ewo, ṣee hypocrite. You can't use past Christian actions to judge them but you will use past Muslim actions to judge me as a Muslim even when I didn't exist until 30- years ago
That's why I don't argue online, Christians aren't ready to call spade a spade.
If it was a Muslim country that's acting the way Israel is acting against Palestinians, US,UK and the whole of Europe would have have invaded that country in the name of justice but we all know the justice that was served in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc

Maybe I need to type it in Arabic so you can understand (It didn't take long for you to manifest)

WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE FOUNDERS OF THE RELIGION

Show me where Jesus and his Apostles waged war on the Roman empire like your warlord and his companions.
or the Early church fathers teaching Christians to Invade foreign lands and conquer them under the banner of Christianity.

Will you condemn Muhammad for sending a threatening letter to the people of Oman and forcing them to convert to Islam? You can't unless you want to leave Islam
Will you condemn Umar for Invading Jerusalem and Egypt? No you won't.

Instead Mental and taqiyya gymnastics and try to justify it. Prove me wrong

This should be a lesson to Southern Governors.

Stop behaving like slaves and take charge! Now they're willing to negotiate

They should only negotiate when they resurrect all the dead people that they've killed from Southern Kaduna to Benue, Enugu, Ogun, Edo and Ebonyi. They must resurrect every single person! Nonsense

sulasa07:

The crusade is just a stupid excuse, everyone culture wants theirs to be the leading factor.
Nigeria was colonised by the British who were Catholic Christians, gave our ancestors Christian names and I'm sure you know how they treated their slaves, I don't know if you are a Christian but if you are, shouldn't you be ashamed of being one since we all know how our Colonisers(Christian) treated our ancestors and should any of their predecessors follow such religion of the people that took them as slaves and killed them, raped women, used blacks as animals in Zoo and as sports

So what's the Alternative? Atheism, Agnosticism, African traditional religion, Islam, Buddhism?

Correction. The British are Anglicans not Catholic

I understand what you're saying but I don't feel as strongly as you do about it. Although, the British conquered my ancestors, my Grandparents didn't take Christian names, they continued to practice their traditional religions and even passed it down to my parents. My parents converted to Christianity as adults (even after that, they were still mixing it with their traditional beliefs). I still have relatives that still practice our ancestral religion. So my story is a bit different.
This is something that applies more to African Americans not Continental Africans. The Colonial powers didn't come to Africa to spread Christianity (Although missionaries saw an opportunity and took it). They came here primarily for economic reasons so when they conquered a tribe, They didn't interfere too much with it's existing religious beliefs as long as the tribe was loyal (Indirect rule)

follow such religion of the people that took them as slaves and killed them, raped women, used blacks as animals in Zoo and as sports
You're giving the white men too much credit. Yes they were Christians (or claimed to be) but Christianity isn't a white man's religion. They are also converts. Christianity is a middle eastern religion. Jesus wasn't European. Also Early Christianity spread to Egypt, Ethiopia and Sudan and the coast of Modern North African countries today (Libya, Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia)

The Oldest fragments of the New testament were found in Egypt not England or Italy

Christianity is Africa is just as old as Christianity in Europe. In fact, Christianity got to Ethiopia before it got to England. The Ethiopian church still exists today and it's an Apostolic Church (A church that can trace it's origin to one of the Apostles of Jesus). The Anglican church is not.

A significant amount of Early church fathers that fleshed out christian theology were North African (Tertullian, Augustine, Athanasius, Oregon). A lot of doctrines of the church depend on the writings of these men and cannot be justified if we take these out so Christianity is indebted to them.

so on what basis is Christianity a "White man's religion"/ "their religion"?

I have other things to say but this is getting really long but there are two questions that you need to ask yourself:

1. Why did the White people Abolish slavery? (The U.S even fought a civil war over it. The British used their ships to patrol the West African coast and intercept slave ships)
2. Is there any African religion or philosophy that would've given Africans the right framework to Abolish slavery? Remember we also had slaves and the slave traders among our people resisted the Abolishment of slavery.

sulasa07:

I talked about conquering Other European Nations like Wales and Norway, do you know all these countries worshiped their own Norse and Thor-Ragnarok Idols. They didn't convert to Christianity peacefully but were subdued by military actions and innocent people died, Do you even know the number of women that were killed by Christians just cause someone claimed they were witches

The difference between Christianity and Islam is that we acknowledge the atrocities in Christian history, we don't hide or try to Justify it like Muslims. To understand a religion you need to go back to it's founder and earliest followers. Jesus and his disciples never lifted a sword or subdued anyone by force. The Early Church fathers never taught their followers to overthrow the Roman empire which was persecuting them; they endured and they were eventually victorious without shedding any blood or fighting anyone.

When you go back to the beginning of Islam, you find the exact opposite; war, violence and bloodshed. The Sahaba of Muhammad and Caliphs were Warlords. They all waged wars to expand the new Islamic empire and in less than 100 years they had conquered almost half of the Christian world by FORCE

Christians did bad things in the past and will continue to do bad things in the future because of sin but would Jesus and his disciples approve of these actions NO! Would Muhammad, Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali sanction the use of Violence to spread Islam. YES!

So pointing out the atrocities of Christians in the past isn't really a valid argument against Christianity. Those Christians failed and they will stand before Jesus and get what they deserve. I don't need to do mental gymnastics to defend their actions. I can condemn them without losing any sleep.

BeansAndBread:
Are you dense? Didn't you see me saying I'm against protests? But do you see me lambasting and cussing out those who participated?

So does it now make sense to abuse Islam, Muslims and other Yorùbá Muslims who had nothing to do with this? Go through the thread and see the amount of abuses hauled at Muslims just because of the actions of few, and I don't need his support because Yorùbá Christians have proven times without number that they're hypocrites who only support the Muslims when we lick their boots

So does it now make sense to abuse Islam, Muslims and other Yorùbá Muslims who had nothing to do with this?

Just went through your profile. Does it make sense to open multiple threads that malign Christians and generalize all Christians because of the problems you have with Yoruba Christians?

You're basically a hypocrite decrying hypocrisy....smh

Now you'll claim that you're not maligning Christians and you're just talking about "real life"

Oh and Yes. It makes absolute sense for me to abuse Islam (not Muslims). Islam is an Ideology not a person or a race. People aren't born with Islam. People convert to and leave Islam everyday. Their DNA doesn't change when they leave Islam.

BeansAndBread:
You're the bigger foool, go through the thread and see how y'all joined forces with Igbos to lambast Oyo Muslims and Islam in general. You Yorùbá Christians are some of the biggest hypocrites to ever exist, joining hands with the enemies to abuse the same people you claim are one with you regardless of religion

Our eye don clear o

So he should support foolishness because he shares the same tribe with Yoruba Muslims?

Later you people will complain about racism.

Vaughanlanrewaj:


Eeyah.. sorry about your loss.
I still remember watching the Isreali police attacking unharmed Muslim worshippers while praying inside the holy site mosque and had a premonition that this police brutality Netanyahu approved to get a war he needs to get votes he badly needs after his failure to win will lead to loss of innocent lives and properties.
Everyone knows that Ramadan is a Holy month in Islam and that location he sent to attack the Muslims is one of the holiest sites in Islam.
Yet he chose that time and place to attack unharmed Muslim worshippers .
Truth be told, Netanyahu is the cause of the deaths on both sides.

Everything started when the Muslims started throwing rocks at Israeli police in protest for the removal of Palestinians from Sheikh jarrah. What do you expect the police to do? Sit there and just take it?

sulasa07:

All you are quoting here is just prejudice,I'm sure you didn't know that two police officers that died during Charlie Hebdo attack we're Muslims and the time of the Crusade when Christians were killing and taking land of the Europeans and naming them as Christian land, would you blame Muhammad and Muslims too

I'm tired of this Crusade argument.

The Crusades happened because Muslims Invaded CHRISTIAN LANDS and were threatening to overrun them. How did Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, Egypt, Libya, Algeria and SPAIN even SPAIN come under the control of Muslims by the 8th century

Most of Paul's letters were addressed to communities and Churches in Asia Minor (Modern day Turkey and parts of Greece). How did this stronghold of Christianity become Muslim in less than 300 years after the founding of Islam

How?

I'll answer it for you. The Christians there willingly gave up their religion because they were so convinced by Islam. Right?

Qudsi:


The only Apartheid State is Hamas Terrorist islamic government of Palestine encouraged by Iran.

Even their Ancestorial brothers, Jordan don't want them or even give them Visas into Jordan. Palestinians should either accept citizenship from the most democratic and most technological advanced state of Israel in the Middle East where even an Arab Muslim can attain the highest level of leadership in israel something that a Jew can't be allowed to do in islamic countries or the Palestinians (about a million plus of them) should join Jordan. This conflict is the most simpliest to solve but Islam as the cancer it is worldwide has refused any amicable resolution to this.

If you listen to all their protests even in North America countries like Canada, US and European places like UK where they harrass Christians and Muslim scholars like Mufti Abu Layth who give them his honest opinion despite no supporting israel but that they are fighting a loser battle. UK muslims raided his house and vandalize it.

The only thing these muslims worldwide all want both the "moderate" Jihadists like these Oyo Headslammers and their Terrorist Jihadists counterparts like Hamas, Hezebollah, Taliban, Boko Haram, ISWAP, etcetera is the total destruction of Israel. Israel can not fold their hands and watch a repeat of Hitler's Nazi Germany on them.

Reason am. If na you. Your neighbors wey claim to be servants of Allah wan destroy. Will you fold your hands and watch them do that?

The funny thing is that Jordan took the West Bank from Israel in the 1948 war. What did they do with it?

They annexed it and Included it as part of Jordan lol and converted all it's Arab Inhabitants to Jordanian citizens by giving them passports
Why didn't they give it to the "Palestinians" to rule?
They did this under the guise that they were keeping it "safe" until the Palestine situation was resolved.

Many countries rejected this annexation but Crucially. The U.S and the U.K (The strongest allies of Israel accepted this) which means they didn't support Israel's right to invade and retake those territories.

It was a big loss for the Jews because they lost Jerusalem and the Jordanian government banned all Jews from entering the area for any reason. All the Synagogues in the area were destroyed and the ancient graves of the Jews in the area were desecrated.

Anyway, the Jews accepted their loss, moved on and started trying to build a country for themselves. (At least they had a homeland, a place where they could call their home) but the Arabs weren't satisfied they wanted EVERYTHING and they wanted to kick the Jews out totally and they attacked Israel again in 1967 but this time Israel decimated them and they took the West Bank from Jordan and occupied the Sinai Pennisula.

All of a sudden. The "Jordanian" Arabs suddenly remembered that they were "Palestinians" because they were on the losing side....smh
Jordan abandoned them in 1988. (Why didn't Jordan Absorb these "Jordanian" citizens into Jordan )

Today, Israel controls the West bank and they still allow Muslims access to their mosques. A right that the Arabs refused to grant to the Jews. Israel and Israeli's are not perfect (There are lots of examples where they have acted unethically) but it's clear to see the side that wants peace.

Spoiler alert! It's not the Palestinians

Armanipounds:

Christ Jesus! What a religion

Google her name "Umm Qirfa". That's just one example. there are lots of examples of Their prophet personally sending assassins to kill his enemies for simply Insulting him and cases where his followers took laws into their own hands and killed someone that Insulted him and he condoned it instead of condemning it.

There was a guy "Ka'b bin Ashraf" that their prophet wanted to kill. His followers were reluctant to kill him (clearly they didn't think that he had done anything deserving of death) one of his followers was even worried because he knew he had to lie to the guy, trick him and lure him out so he asked his prophet and he was GIVEN PERMISSION TO LIE!
At the end of the day, they met the guy, told him that his perfume was nice (So he could be at ease and not suspect anything), then they lured him out for a short walk and killed him. They beheaded him and brought his head to their prophet and he PRAISED his god.

So anytime you see them demanding for the death of someone that insults their prophet and his religion in any way, it's not based on misinformation or lack of knowledge rather it's based on knowledge handed down to them from their Sheikhs and scholars (because most of them don't bother to read their books).

Google these names so you can confirm the story. There are even videos on YouTube (From their scholars) about it but as usual, they'll put a spin on it and claim that those guys were planning evil against their prophet or they committed treason (How can you commit treason when you're not even in a state ) so he had to get rid of them

Armanipounds:
Not as though am taking a sly pop at Islam, but why do everything associated with this religion has radical, extremist and fundamentalist colorations Why is terrorism always linked to Islam And the same Islam claims to always preach "peace" What an irony

because that's actually what the religion teaches. Their prophet split an old woman into two for writing a poem against him and criticizing him. He tied her legs to two camels and drove them apart until they tore her in two.

I'm not making this up, it's in their books about his life.

smallsmall:


You need to be Honest, to yourself.
First, Israel, as a Nuclear Powered State, does not need the support of anyone, least of all a Black man Nigerian!
They would wipe you out within a twinkle of an eye, go and see what they do to Blacks in Israel, as in Black Jews, and you will understand that when something is bad it is bad.
Two, if you are supporting Israel because you think they are a Christian country, fighting Muslims, then you are grossly confused and mistaken, Israel is not a Christian Country, they are not Christians, they are ZIONIST JEWS, they dont read or believe the Holy Bible (What they read is called The TORAH) and they dont believe in Jesus Christ (I hope say you know that it is Jews that murdered Jesus Christ? You may need to pickup your Bible and Read it)

Three, how would you feel if Fulanis came to Alaigbo and you welcomed them, then they started expanding up to the point that they said you must leave? They dont even want to share the land with you but want to wipe you out!
And to make matter worse, they now fence you round with a High Wall and control how much water you can drink, how much Petrol and electricity you can get, that you must get permission from them to get treatment when you are sick (and they routinely refuse or delay such permission), control how much food can enter your compound and then when you try to use ESN to defend and liberate yourself from such bondage, they unleash the whole might of the Nigerian Armed Forces on you, while you fight back with sticks?

I hope you know that this is the same thing happening in Alaigbo right now and l hope you are saying "No matter What, l stand with Fulani Nigerian Army"?

Do unto Others, as you want Others to do unto You - Holy Bible

Ignorance.

The Torah is the first five books of the Bible and the Jews use the entire old testament called the Tanakh
Ta - Torah (Books of Moses/Laws)
Na - Nevi'im (Prophets like Isaiah, Hosea etc)
Kh -Ketuvim (Other books like Psalms, Ecclesiastes etc)

It's the same Old testament that Christians use and in fact, most Christian (except the Orthodox church) translations of the old testament are based on the Hebrew bible.

FYI, History, Archaeology and even Islamic history shows that Jews existed in that land before any sort of Arab/Muslim influence. Yet the Arabs and Muslims (by extension) feel that the land belongs to them and them alone. because their ancestors built a mosque on it after INVADING another person's land.

BobbyZrealist:


Bros,I don't need you to school me about the Jews.
I am a Christian.
I know much about the Jews.
The Jews where Jesus' kinsmen,yet they crucified him. I know that.
I don't care if there are Jews,Christians or Muslims.
I stand with Israel.
I stand with Nigeria.
Against terrorists and extremists, I don't care about their religion or race.

They always try to make you hate the Jews.

"but but but but...ReMeMbEr ThE JoOs KilLeD Jesus"

Jesus said "Father forgive them for they don't know what they're doing"

If Jesus could forgive his murderers, no Christian has any right to hold any grudge against the Jews for killing Jesus. Heck! The first followers of Jesus (The Apostles) were also Jews.

Farid24224:


You are wrong, so go get the right knowledge..

You already called your sources "fake" so you know the truth so you can easily reject them when i present it lol

benjsniper33:


First of all I don't believe you need to cast aspersion on people's ideas and opinions when serious issues are being discussed. Although this is a public opinion-based platform, I believe that people's opinions should be respected and debated without calumny or libel as no one owns the monopoly of truth.


When I say "White people frame" I don't mean "white people write". But what i mean is the addition of false doctrines and dogma which actually distorts the original truth posited by the Bible .

And this is done to pervert the minds or reconfigure the belief systems of individuals, groups or nations in order to make them vulnerable to "herd" control.

And when you are able to pervert people's minds with false or distorted versions of truth you can expect them to take sides with anything you do as long as it's in line with the believe systems which you've conditioned into them (especially since childhood)

Now brother, what I'm saying in essence is that the origins of the words and deep spiritual injunctions found in the Bible is not European but they were stolen and pillaged by the Hyksos Maccabees, Greeks and Romans from the libraries of ancient Egypt, Sumeria and Babylon.

To cut it short , these ancients texts were then re-written with added cultural folklores by the invaders to accrue to themselves a sense of origin, cultural supremacy and a "divine" approval & justification towards their global conquests, dominance & subsequent extermination of the darker people of the earth ( Africans , Red Indians, Asians etc..)

In course of these, various fictitious biblical characters & events were mentioned in the Bible and these fictitious characters were credited with the authorship of the original words of truth that was stolen.

And then in 325AD the council of Nicea was convened by Emperor Constantine to establish the groundworks towards formalizing these distortions and to force it on people through global conquest. The subsequent councils and meetings by the Roman Catholic church removed all non-european traces of the Words of Truth thereby ascribing the stolen Spiritual Words of the Bible to European authorship.

Hence the constant invasion of North Africa by the Romans, Portuguese & Spanish incursion into sub-saharan Africa, Expulsion of the Moors from Europe , the 400 years of brutal trans-atlantic slavery of Africans , European colonization of Africa , Asia and the Americas and neo-colonialism via the cold war, scientifically engineered diseases and terrorism.

And now we have the Western-backed Israeli apartheid system in Palestine

I am not saying that the "Europeans Wrote the Bible " I am saying that the "Europeans Bastardised the sacred and spiritual Words of Truth" written by our spiritual Egyptian ancestors who lived along the Nile valley. And these distortions was done with a motive to justify global Europeans supremacy, acts of aggression and mind control

FMI , you can read the resolutions of the following council meeting:-

Council of Nicea
Council of Chalcedon
Council of Ephesus
Council of Constantinople
The case of the Panare Indians

Thank you

Sorry that it came across like an Insult but that's what I truly believe is happening here.
You've bought into an ahistorical narrative of the world which has no objective proof in reality. I'll try to address the most Important points

"To cut it short , these ancients texts were then re-written"
Where is the proof of this? Which ancient texts are you referring to? since you said it's not the bible.

"In course of these, various fictitious biblical characters & events were mentioned in the Bible and these fictitious characters were credited with the authorship of the original words of truth that was stolen."
Proof?
The Stories in the bible are middle eastern stories with middle eastern Characters. How do we know this? By comparing it to the stories of other cultures that existed before or alongside the Hebrews (Like the Akkadians, Chaldeans, Babylonians and Assyrians). We find similar names and Similar styles of writing.
Besides we've found previously lost manuscripts of the Old testament that are older than Jesus and Christianity and it's essentially the same with what is read today. So when where these fictitious characters and stories added or twisted??

"And then in 325AD the council of Nicea was convened by Emperor Constantine to establish the groundworks towards formalizing these distortions and to force it on people through global conquest."
This is just wrong. Have you actually read the canons of council of Nicaea (It's online). There are 20 canons and none of them say anything close to what you're suggesting here.

The council of Nicaea was called primarily to settle the dispute in the Early Christian community on the Nature of Jesus in relation to God the father.
If you disagree bring your proof
The other councils were also called to address other theological matters in the Church. If you disagree, again bring your proof

"Hence the constant invasion of North Africa by the Romans, Portuguese & Spanish incursion into sub-saharan Africa, Expulsion of the Moors from Europe , the 400 years of brutal trans-atlantic slavery of Africans"
You're mixing a lot of things up here. The Romans were still Pagans when they conquered North Africa. It had nothing to do with Christianity. The Romans had conquered all of North Africa by 30 BCE Before Jesus Christ was born!

The Moors were expelled from Europe because they were Invaders! They Invaded territories that didn't belong to them and subjugated the Christians there by making them pay the Jizya tax (Non muslim tax) and the Christians rightly kicked them out.

You're making a lot of Incredible claims without any proof. If there was a huge distortion of history by Europeans. It should be easy to prove it. Now I'm not saying that Europeans haven't deliberately distorted history but the scale that you're suggesting is simply too grand.

You're basically giving them too much credit.

Farid24224:


Pity them..

Yeah "Pity them" by fighting (and killing) them until the pay the Jizya while they are humiliated

Yeah

benjsniper33:


What is this one talking about ?

Take your biblical rhetoric outta here bro

The Palestinians own that land and they are being forcefully evacuated from their land . Is that fair ?

Don’t use biblical injunctions to justify acts of violence against indigenous people.

Expand your knowledge more than just the Bible .

White people framed the Bible to justify their acts of violence and injustice towards indigenous people of the earth.

"White people framed the bible"

Remove your head from the sand. There are Manuscripts of the old testament that are older than the age of exploration (When Europeans started colonizing and expanding their sphere of influence in the world)

and those verses are in those manuscripts

Make no mistake. I'm not supporting the OP

but this "White people agenda on the bible" is false and ahistorical. Unless you believe that white people had a time machine and they went back in time and changed those verses

Farid24224:


You are a ƙafir, I expect worst.

and what does the Quran and Hadith say about Kafirs to love them and pray for them?

Farid24224:

Because that's literally what they are; FAKE!!

Sahih al-Bukhari and the Quran itself are fake. Bravo!

Farid24224:

That's what you folks are thinking, I don't care no more.....It's no surprise, Muslims are tested in so many different ways...This is on of it.

I can prove it you but you'll still deny it anyway and call those sources fake

Farid24224:


Those are terrorists who have done alot of things against our religion and humanity as a whole... You shouldn't even dare compare them.

They're just following Muhammad's Sunnah and the Sahabah

MUYEEKFIRST:
Islam is Peace. You are happy that Christian is killing Muslims in thier Own land. Christianity and those who practice it are evil and doesn't deserve peace

Islam isn't peace. Islam means Surrender/Submission.

Jews are not Christians. Everything is about religion to you people

Gamesmart:


And your point is?

Keep on asking what my point is

Gamesmart:


And your point is?

All the Jews need to be kicked out?

What happened between 636–637A.D?

salykely:


so, everybody has the right to go back to places their ancestors inhabited thousands of years ago? i would have loved to take you back to the origin of the Jewish nation itslef so that you see for yourself that the Jews historicaly never exercised soverignty over any land except the extended kingdom of david and solomon which never lasted beyond a 100 years before it collapsed

"The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years...Then it fell apart...[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David's conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule." Illene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.

"so, everybody has the right to go back to places their ancestors inhabited thousands of years ago?"
YES. People always bring up this point like it's supposed to be some sort of stumbling block The answer is a big fat YES as long as you can reliably trace your history back to that land. YES.

That's why we have History, Archaeology, linguistics and other types of historical science. We can use them to construct a picture of the past. This isn't just about people making Arbitrary claims.

So don't try to bring up the "All humans can go back to Africa since we all originated from Africa" argument.

So to answer your question with real life examples:
Greeks have a right to most if not all of Modern day Turkey because it was stolen from them by the Turks.
Assyrians have a right to Iraq and Mesopotamia because it was stolen from them by Arabs
The Native Americans in the U.S still have a right to their ancestral lands (not the entire U.S) in the U.S because it was stolen from them by the Europeans. It doesn't matter if the U.S exists for the next 5000 years. As long as they're Native Americans that still Identify with the Culture and traditions of their Ancestors.
Same thing with Aborigines of Australia.

The Jews never abandoned Israel. They never abandoned the heritage and culture of their ancestors. It doesn't matter if the Kingdom of David and Solomon lasted for only 1 year. Your argument is basically:

"The Arabs have occupied the land for a longer period so it's theirs"
I'm not even going to dispute that (even though I can) because it's a flawed argument

No matter how you want to spin it, The Jews/Jewish Identity existed in that land before Arabs. It's indisputable from Archaeological, Jewish and Arab-Islamic sources. The Jews didn't just wake up one day and decide to emigrate to a land that they had no connection to.

The only group that has more right to that land are the Canaanites. But the Canaanites don't exist as a distinct ethnic group today. Their language and culture was lost to numerous wars and time.

That being said, Having the right to a piece of land doesn't equate to fighting a war over it. The Greeks are content with what they have today because they still have a country that they can call their own.
The Assyrians and the Native Americans can't fight anyone because they don't have the military might.

The Crux of the issue is that every pro-Palestinian argument always tries to erase the right of the Jewish people to Israel. Every single one.
It's either based on:
1. Selective history
2. "The Arabs have existed there for a long time"
3. The Jews are not "original Jews" (No modern human alive today is an "Original" version of their ancestors)
4. Silly and non-academic arguments like "The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites"
5. Religious arguments i.e "Allah punished the Jews and gave the land to us"

Conquering a land and passing it down to your children over dozens of Generations doesn't suddenly make it yours. If the descendants of the previous owners still exist, they will inevitably attempt to take it back if they have the power and motivation to do so. This is why every pro-Palestinian argument tries to attack the historicity of the Jews in Israel and discredit them as legitimate descendants of the ancient Israelites.

salykely:


"Recent archeological digs have provided evidence that Jerusalem was a big and fortified city already in 1800 BCE...Findings show that the sophisticated water system heretofor attributed to the conquering Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined...Dr. Ronny Reich, who directed the excavation along with Eli Shuikrun, said the entire system was built as a single complex by Canaanites in the Middle Bronze Period, around 1800 BCE." The Jewish Bulletin, July 31st, 1998.

How is this an argument

Before Archaeology, the Ancient Israelis acknowledged that they conquered the land from the Canaanites (by documenting it in what we call the Bible today). So finding a civilization in Jerusalem/Greater Israel before the Jews shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody.

The question now is:
IS THERE ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE ALIVE TODAY THAT CALLS THEMSELVES CANAANITES?
Did anyone preserve the language, tradition and culture of the Canaanites? The answer is a BIG FAT NO!

Unless you want to make the ridiculous claim that the Arab-Palestinians are Canaanites

emmyN:


No, I think they support this because they hate terrorists. If Islam and Muslims is synonymous to terrorism to you, it's your cup of tea, so be it.

Everything is about hate and Islamophobia to them. When you tell them the truth it's Islamophobia

It is well documented (By Muslims not white men before they accuse you of white-washing) that the Arab-Muslims INVADED Jerusalem under the Caliph Umar and conquered it.

Arab-Muslims basically invaded a foreign land, Oppressed the people there, Arabized the land over hundreds of years and now they want to claim that it belongs to them.