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Foreign Affairs / Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 12:51am On Jul 28, 2013 |
NaijaPikinGidi: [size=13pt]Bulletproof vests worn 'incorrectly' in CAR[/size] 2013-07-19 09:14
Johannesburg - The incorrect use of bulletproof vests during the Battle of Bangui in the Central African Republic (CAR) in March was probably why 15 South African soldiers were killed, Beeld reported on Friday.
Colonel Renier "Doibi" Coetzee, a senior South African Special Forces officer, made this statement on behalf of his superiors at a press conference in Pretoria earlier this week.
Coetzee said soldiers who had worn their jackets correctly withstood several bullets and survived the ordeal.
He said that after the 23 March battle it had emerged that some of the South African troops had not worn their jackets in the prescribed way.
"Some took out the bulletproofing plates, while others just wore breast plates. This left their backs unprotected."
Coetzee said the army was currently evaluating both instructions for wearing the jackets, and the quality of items being issued to soldiers.
"It is true that our jackets are a bit old, and that the technology is a bit outdated... but there's nothing wrong with them."
Wearing the jackets was optional, and especially when it was hot, solders tended to remove the plates.
"American and British soldiers in Afghanistan eat and sleep with their jackets on, and they would not dare move from camp without them. This is one of the things that after the current evaluation will probably become mandatory for our soldiers," he said.
Source: http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Bulletproof-vests-worn-incorrectly-in-CAR-20130719 - SAPA
Since this was posted a while back, all South African brains here have failed to make any comment about it. Brainless cowards!
that one is small. these guys just build weapons but lack the skillful personnel to use them. they can cry us a river for all i care. the other day they were shouting about how professional their police and special task force is. well, this is gonna be a shocker. South Africa: Civil Claims Show the Cost of an Unprofessional Police ServiceMinister of Police Nathi Mthethwa has revealed today that the SAPS has spent over R300 million on civil claims against its members over the last three years. These claims were as a result of wrongful arrests, corruption and negligent conduct but would also include claims for murder, rapes and other violent crimes by the police. The number of civil claims has increased from 3007 in 2010/2011 to 5090 in 2011/12. Although the Minister has said it decreased from 7004 in 2009/10 to 3007 in 2010/11, this downward trend was short-lived. The legal costs have escalated from R89.5 million in 2009/10 to a massive R135.3 million in 2011/12. While we of course agree with the Minister for saying that tough disciplinary action must be taken and that command and control must be strengthened, it is of course long past the time that he turned his words into action. He must immediately present a detailed proposal to Parliament setting out how he intends to do this. This must include the full demilitarisation of SAPS, as per the National Development Plan, so that the police service can be effectively professionalised. The Minister has known for years that there is a major problem in relation to the actions of SAPS members that result in a high level of civil claims and that is why the figure for contingent liabilities (a liability that the entity may have to pay, depending on the outcome of a future event - such as a court case) has quadrupled over the last six years. It has increased from R5.3 billion in 2006 to R20.5 billion for 2011/2012. It now constitutes 32.8% of the SAPS annual budget. The bulk of this figure is made up of civil claims against the police amounting to R14.8 billion. These increasing figures, once again, illustrate the effect the militarisation of the SAPS has had on the service in the form of increased police brutality. The Minister said in his statement today that he has "always emphasized that this tough stance on crime must be balanced by our philosophy that policing must also be oriented along respect for human rights, be community-centred and protect the weak and vulnerable in society". We agree wholeheartedly in this change of tone since his statement in late 2009 which said the police must take a "fight fire with fire" approach. We need a professional police service to catch violent criminals, not a trigger-happy police force that kills innocent civilians. The time for inaction is over. South Africa needs a plan to professionalise the SAPS, and it cannot be delayed any longer. tells you how these guys keep living with Alice in Wonderland. ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) 3 Likes |
Foreign Affairs / Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 12:45am On Jul 28, 2013 |
Msauza:
Cameroon pride- many things have been said about Cameroon in your absence. The likes of Agaugust claimed to have defeated Cameroon just in minutes somewhere in Bakassie. Thus, hoping to hear from you, what is your take concerning your purported defeat at the hands of Nigerian Military. I am now surprised and completely dumbfounded that nobody wants to respond at your post. don't be silly. comparing cameroon military ti Nigeria is baseless. if they weren't scared to go to war why did they take the case to UN. i can't even ask us to compare Nigerian military to yours cos we've already found out that you don't have a military. just weapons industry. 1 Like |
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Politics / Re: 3rd Lagos-Kano Train Service Flagged Off Yesterday by chrissy365: 6:33pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Standing5: Why not use those old coaches for cargo movement instead of taking us back some 20-30 yrs? can;t our Fed Govt manage to buy brand new coaches? i was expecting something like this. Your negative mindset is also killing our economy if you didn't know. Smh for people like you ![](/faces/huh.png) 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 4:28pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Obiagelli: 1770 out of 8000 yeah. Higher than ours but not a model to follow. I'll rather you compare Nigeria to south africa that has more population, less oil, more industrialized, builds it's own technology. That a country i will want Nigeria to follow or china. Not Qatar your comparison is wrong and not motivating at all |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 4:18pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Lordlexy: Insightful. A food for thought has put it better like. Like i said in my earlier post, this calls sober reflection, and not calling for the crucifixion of obiagelli. It grieved me to have elected leaders leaving our shore to far away india, cuba, dubai for medical attention. What happen to those average Nigerians who can afford such? That is callous, wickedness and total disregard to the very right of the populace. Yet, gullible as some are, will come here to attack anyone whose opinion of the bad state of the nation contract theirs. Every factor for development; population, oil, solid minerals are within our bound but failure of leadership which breed ethnicity, religious intolerance, corruption and general backwardness should take the centre stage of this topic and not this shallow thinking express here today. How many of you are comforting watching those sick patients being displayed on AIT soliciting for funds running into millions to be transported and treated in India thus increasing the Gdp of that country, quite shameful. That is a clear evident of failed leadership. Development transceds couple of good houses and office blocks to availability of basic and adequate amenities and service utilities which presently, is grossly lacking. Pls, stop calling for Obi's head. you couldn't have said it any better. Since GEJ has shown his incababilities to take us to the promise land, will you come out to protest when he riggs election? Cos i doubt he'll be re elected if done free and fair. Me know sey my people fear death pass fowl sef ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 3:48pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Obiagelli: That's a new one, never knew qatar wasn't investing in its citizens, you mean they don't go to the best school, they have the best labs, best sports facilities, the hold large stake in any company in their company.
Btw tell me how nigeria invests in its citizens, through ASUU strike? Qatar university ranks 17th in the middle east and 1772 out of 8000 universities in the world. The universities are occupied by foreign teachers. Their citizens are lazy because of the large sum of pocket money their government pays them from oil revenue. Even their national news network is occupied by 98% foreigners. They lack a lot of experts. Money that should go to building other sources of revenue and create jobs for their people. What will happen when the oil dries up? Why do you think their monarchs don't want to upset the US? qatar is not an industrialized country and should not be compare with Nigeria. Period. If you trully went to university you would know that ASUU is a group of selfish lectures who want nothing more than more powers to control the Universities. To the best of my knowledge, the government provides them with funds but the funds end up with the VCs, professors and some senior lecturers. Is it government that sells handouts to us even after knowing we have text books? Is it government that mandates us to pay money before our scrpts can be marked? Is it the government that told our lecturers to be lazying around till they skip they lecture hours thereby taking the poor students backwards? Their demands are outrageous and haven't you noticed how incoherent they are with defending the reason for their demands? These guys are well paid but they are too lazy and corrupt to be given authonomy to run these schools by themselves. Just imagine when government hands off the Universities. ASUU has been compromised and is now a corrupt body. And i hate them as much as i hate many other lecturers. |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 3:34pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Obiagelli: That's a new one, never knew qatar wasn't investing in its citizens, you mean they don't go to the best school, they have the best labs, best sports facilities, the hold large stake in any company in their company.
Btw tell me how nigeria invests in its citizens, through ASUU strike? Qatar university ranks 17th in the middle east and 1770 |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 3:20pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Venchy:
From london to Baltimore, I can only see illegal Cab drivers trying to survive but not begging for money, I'm quite sure that no car park at the US airport looks like MM aa well as not having basic Soap in the toilet if truly you have been travelling.
I don't know when some Nigerians will come out to say the truth but NO, they loves leaving in Denial.
Hustling is different from the situation of the country. so illegal cab driver is not a hustler abi? My elder brother was robbed at george bush international airport in texas last year as a JJC going for masters. So don't teach me about huslers in american airports. I haven't used the toilet at MMIA recently but the infrastructure i see is far better than what you want some ignorant nairalanders to believe you are the one not being honest with yourself and you need to change. |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 3:05pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
ennecco: he is right look the different btw 80 and 2013. is that not enough for you to understand. you re talking of infastructure. when nigeria gov could not provide commom light and water. for nigerians .well pray jesus delivered nigeria gov. that is my beef with the OP. She thinks we don't have tall buildings and fine roads and thats her problem when she should be talking about human capital and job creation. If it's about tall buildings why is half of europeans jobless? Why does she think the UN and world bank lamented that Nigeria needs to reflect it development on it's citizens. There's development but the government is not investing on it's people (like jobs and social welfair). And this girl is talking about tall buildings and estates that we have plenty here. Qatar is not a developing country cos their government is not investing on it's citizens, their teachers are foreigners, their buildings are own by europeans, their doctors are foreigners. Why does she think people flock to Qatar and get any job within days. Cos it's citizens don't work. There are better ways to fight corruption than this display of ignorance. How can this government take us seriously if we don't know how to table our grievance. Is that the kind of society the OP wants to compare us with? Abeg the babe no expose jorr |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 2:48pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Venchy: Weldone Obi, majority do not know that there's another life until they step out or CHANGE their ways of reasoning before they realise they nation is not moving AT ALL. Reason for that is Bad leaders that steals the country's wealth but couldn't provide the most most essential facility ( ELETRICITY) that will drive the Economy forward.
How can a ordinary post office sort millions of latter EFFECTIVELY without no electricity.
Within the country their stupid Bank ALERT system fails woefully, money is already credited but people were waiting for Alert....what a mess true talk about the electricity problem(real reason i regret voting that fisherman). But for the bank problem, please change your bank. Banks fail people all over the world. It doesn't reflect your country. |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 2:42pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Obiagelli: I posted what I see and i know 80% of Nigeria is no different from that picture from north, East, South or West. We deserve better as a nation. Most of you give this master leaders that all is well while 80% of our population live below poverty line. Get real bro. Patriotism should be well placed. my dear stop talking statistics and come to reality. You know your 80% statistic is wrong cos you focused more on the country side(villages) please talk about the cities not villages. I stayed in a remote part of Norway for 6 months and i can tell you it was hell cos it was a typical village. My point is that every country has what it calls it's villages. That's why they are regarded as rural areas. China is a developing and 2nd biggest economy but their villages still have bamboo houses and a lot of poor and illitrate people. But the country is judged by it's urban developments. Facts are there for you to see. Like i said. You need to get out from your ghetto and travel before judging. nigeria is still suffering from greedy people but it doesn't mean we are not moving. Get you priorities right. There are better ways to present your grievances than this rubbish. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 2:30pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Venchy:
I will tell you what the 80% looks like, from the Airport all I can see is hungry faces begging for money, from the chief Immigration officer to the smallest officer, No soap in the toilet for visitors, the fair car park has become mile 12 yam market and before the plane torch down in the night all you can see from the top is Darkness, means Nigerians are in the DARK.
Please tell me how the 80% of the country lives when the Entrance to the country is in serious deterioration? and please be fair with yourself and tell me which of the international airports is a mess in the country? And tell me if some airports in US don't have hustlers roamin around them. Learn to be construtive in your critism and talking like you are in a pub. Have you even been to any of the airports recently? Abeg go sleep if you no get yarns 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 2:10pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Obiagelli: Do tell me you still haven't figured out that gdps are in million dollars, go and pick up a good book. sister the fact is that you made a very wrong, biased, trecherous and unpatriotic comparison. Now you want to shift it to complain about corruption. We have problems but it doesn't mean we have to destroy the country with our leaders. What if a potential investor sees your misinterpretation of 9ja and decides to take his business somewhere else, is it not you and i that will lose? I have moved around Nigeria and i can tell you clearly that you have wronged your country big time. Their are better ways to protest against corruption and mismanagement by our leaders, but not by bringing the country down with it. It's people like you that will say we don't have trains or tall buildings in Nigeria. I don't know whether to call you ignorant or just wicked. |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 1:58pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
juman: That nigeria is a failed country. do you realize you and your family are part of that failure? Careful what you wish for yourself dummy. |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 1:40pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Fadelex: *laffing wickedly* mukeke mukeke.... no mind them, they always want to subject everybody to their opinion... now I have these to say, *in Abuja, you have the city centres like wuse, maitama and co, u have the satellite towns like nyaya, lugbe, kubwa and you have the villages like ushafa, dei-dei, kwali and so on... it is always like this everywhere in the world..the call their villages countryside in developed nations, even though these countryside have all d basic amenities, they are like ghost town cuz there's no business activities nor administrative business goin on there... *when you want to compare, you don't do selective comparison, you take d best of Qatar and the best of Nigeria, I will say this again, gerout of that village of yours and expand ur horizon, Nigeria is very beautiful and conducive.... I've been to 26 states in Nigeria, not transit thru, I mean been to. every countries get ghetto, they used to say Libya is like Europe until d uprising and I saw a place just like the sokoto desert...
i remember when Nigerians were comparing their country to Lybia until Lybya got attention and they realised that only tripoli is a bit developed. Now it's Qatar. I have a friend that travels to Qatar steady and he told me how the development is focused on Doha and not the whole country (even though it's a small country). This country does not invest in Human capital. Their schools are occupied by foreign teachers, their hospital are occupied by foreign doctors, their infrastructures are maintained by foreigners, they lack industries. Why do you think Qatar is not seen as a developed or developing country but seen as a beautiful country? Qatar is rich cos they have nothing to spend their mony on. Foreigners own and maintain Qatar. Most of the high buildings are owned by europeans. Pls compare Nigeria to Brazil, then i can cry. Not any middle east country. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 1:21pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Emmadani: sum pple dnt seem to undastand it.Lagos and abuja wil give u d size of qatar,so if al 9ja resource and money ad bin invested only in abuja and lagos,then dats when sum1 can come nd compare qatar wit 9ja.Even ebonyi is populated than qatar.Nawa o pple comparing qatar nd nigeria,wondas shall never enddd. too much CNN my broda. Am not saying Nigeria is okay, but we are developing and most people commenting here hardly travel or live in the ghetto. So they believe everywhere in Nigeria looks like their ghetto. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 1:09pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
adconline:
You are in denial. No country that is blessed like Nigeria is badly run like Naija. Don't bring Mali, Somalia,Nigeria. Compare Indonesia, Malaysia, Venezuela, Brazil and asde from the state capitals of these countries aside brail) can you mention how many states or provinces they have and how many are actually developed? As much as our country is riddled with criminally minded leaders, you should know that some of them actually have visions and are developing their states. Am not living in denial cos i have travelled a lot and i understand that this is one of your problems. Most of you are confined in one place so u think your country is too underdeveloped cos CNN refuses to show you. Venezuela, malaysia have money but not everywhere in those countries are developed as you think. What we should be crying about is government to invest in human capital cos if you want to talk of fine structures and estates, we get am plenty in 9ja. Know your priorities abbeg and stop crying for the wrong reasons. |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 12:00pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
@OP. Your comparison is very unfair. Qatar is a very tiny nation compared to Nigeria and less population to cater for.
Aside from lagos and abuja, i've lived in Calabar, Kano, Akwa ibom, PH due to my work. Unlike Qatar and other countries that focus their developments in one state, many Nigerian states are more developed than you think.
Just cause you live in a ghetto doesn't mean the rest of the world don't have them. Move around before you paste this kind of baseless thread again. |
Politics / Re: Nigeria Vs Qatar Pictures 1960 And 2013 by chrissy365: 11:23am On Jul 26, 2013 |
Obiagelli: How many lekkis and vgc do we have in Nigeria maybe you should start travelling out of your enclave before judging from your laptop |
Politics / Re: Military Burial Of Officers Killed By Boko-Haram & UNAMID Operations (Pictures) by chrissy365: 9:59am On Jul 26, 2013 |
musiwa35: sad, rip.. more men will die.. thousand will die, if we dont fix the satellite picture thing.
we can remove some portion. dont worry about any governor who refused. the army 6 ft.
i am not sure of the east and the north. western nigeria is ready, anyone who refuse my order.. dont worry. time is going , and you are risking many officers lifes. all system go on the international front. we are covered.
i dont know of east and north. west ready. it is too much risk to risk 200 million life and all of the officers life did all this just come out from a person's brain ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) |
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Foreign Affairs / Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 10:12pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
CraigB:
As I've come to expect from Clover-Danone and the rest of the Naai-gerians: lots of idi*tic questions asked with all the seriousness of respectable enquiry ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png)
Not too long ago, we challenged you on your president's having hijacked your military colours. We said that you know nothing about being a democracy. You cried: "Oh! We are Naai-geria! We do it our own way."
We left you alone to live in your fo*ol's paradise.
We then told you about our military training academies and argued that the US have a similar setup. You cried: "Oh, just because the US does it like you doesn't make your academies good."
We left you alone there, as well - so you could bake in the heat of your imbec*ile ways.
Now lo and behold - you want to be compared to other countries?! All of a sudden! ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png)
Ok, spineless invertebrates, let's see:
Which of the countries that you've listed have a healthy democracy? Feel free to refer to the democracy index.
Democracy and separation of powers - you wouldn't know anything about that. You're from the ghetto that's Naai-geria.
Mexico has a long history of using their military internally. As it turns out, they suffer the same ills that Naai-gerians suffer - useless police and useless special forces.
Here: read it and weep. You've just buttressed my argument. And don't be shy to look at what's being said about the Mexican constitution.
-----> http://blog.chron.com/bakerblog/2013/06/why-mexicos-military-is-fighting-the-countrys-drug-war/
Oh! How about this?
"As long as the Mexican government is unable to strengthen the police and the courts and protect them against the powerful ability of organized crime to corrupt or intimidate, it will continue to rely on its armed forces. The military has been and will continue to be deployed by necessity, regardless of the campaign promises or rhetoric of the sitting president. The Peña administration may aggressively attempt to control information about the use of the military; it may de-emphasize the use of the military in its public statements. But the Peña administration, like the Calderón administration before it, does not have an alternative."
Sounds like Naai-geria, doesn't it? The exact same argument made by your very Naai-gerian Daily Trust
The people of Tibet view China's presence as an occupation. The people of Chechnya view Russia's presence as an occupation.
On the democracy index, both China and Russia are authoritarian or thereabouts.
Is this what the already useless Naai-geria aspires to?
You people have a strange way of showing your intelligence.
mr monkey brain. you are the one that has just shown how criminalization has rocked the brains of SMELL AFRICANS. brainless boy that is so desperate to deliver emptiness of his fiddle mind. why are you talking about democracy when the argument was clearly about police not capable of doing military duty? are you really this S.TUPID(lacking intelligence or common sense)why did you skip Britain that fought IRA with troops and special forces instead of police, since it was an internal crisis? or US deploy national guards to assist thousands of the best police tactical team in the world (SWAT) just to fight two terrorists? are these countries not democracies to you. what about SA that deployed troops just to protect animals and support your police just to fight marikana protesters? since your special task force team were busy facebooking. is SA not a democracy? clearly the word S.TUPID which means " lacking intelligence or common sense" suits your way of reasoning. ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) so you see that am not insulting you but calling you what you are. I.DIOT |
Foreign Affairs / Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 9:50pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
Msauza:
NOTHING!! ONLY ONE AND THE ONLY MZANSI. mr one and only mzansi. please post your achievements na. how long do i have to beg for it. kenya and Uganda are fast outgrowing you with imported second hand weapons and you are here hailing mzansi. do you think US, Britain, Israel, France, Russia, China, NIGERRIA ![wink](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/wink.png) all have their reputations by just building weapons alone? France plans to buy reaper drones from US, does that mean france's military is incapable. it's how you've used your weapons that matter not how you build it. Egypt, Nigeria and Algeria import most of their weapons but will whoop your military to dust. give us SANDF achievements so we can compare but don't stop posting the weapons sha ![wink](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/wink.png) . me likeey ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) |
Foreign Affairs / Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 1:34pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
Thiza: @AGAUGUST SHOW WHAT YOU HAVE...U HAVE FAILED SO MANY TIMES my friend sharap. what have you achieved with the weapons you've been building. Nigerian military has achieved a lot in africa with their imported weapons than you that build your own. go and teach your army how to fight with those weapons before bragging am still waiting for my response please. achievements |
Foreign Affairs / Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 1:07pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
Donian007: @CraigB, Please do me a favour and address the comparism made in this post with Mexican Military fighting the drug cartels, Chechnya rebels vs Russian Army, China has deployed fighter jets to watch the Tibetans, etc. Please what do you think about these? I've been begging them to post achievement of SANDF and they've been avoiding my question since. does it mean SANDF have never achieved anything good on this continent than to pose in front of shiny weapons? 1 Like |
Foreign Affairs / Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 12:20am On Jul 25, 2013 |
agaugust:
you know that if the south africans stop writing rubbish, then they are no longer south africans ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png)
. no mind the dull head CraigB and other snot african. i don go sleep jare |
Foreign Affairs / Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 12:05am On Jul 25, 2013 |
CraigB:
Great, where? In Mali?
OK.
Anyway, pull the other one re: your police.
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http://dailytrust.info/index.php/editorial/1131-overstretching-the-military-in-peace-time
Admittedly, this foray of the military into civil duties may have been forced on it by the inability of the Nigeria Police Force (NPF) to effectively discharge its duty of combating emerging security challenges that threaten to overwhelm the country. Had the NPF been properly inclined through proper staffing and funding, to challenge and defeat these forces seeking to undermine the wellbeing of the state, there would have been no cause to draft the military into the fray. The inadequacies of the police are therefore threatening to jeopardise the efficiency of other security arms. This must not be allowed to go on for too long. The immediate action to take is to embark on a phased withdrawal of soldiers from civil duties, particularly those mounting sentry at checkpoints. This programmed plan to return the soldiers to their traditional role should be pursued side by side with the enablement and empowerment of the police to be in a strong enough position to take over complete responsibility of maintaining order. This will entail proper training of new entrants and the rank and file in all aspects of policing. In addition, paucity of equipment, including appropriate weapons in civil and armed uprisings, has bedevilled the ability of the police to do their duty effectively. It is important for them to be provided with adequate wherewithal for optimum performance. i can forgive you since i understand your poor knowledge of everything in life. why didn't you send your special task force to CAR to battle seleka or DRC (although your troops are playing sissy there as we speak ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) ) since it is the police job to fight terrorist that are armed with anti aircraft guns, GPMG, RPG and IED. or why don't you tell Mexico to withdraw troops that are battling cartels on the streets, or ask the US why they had to deploy their national guard to support thousand of SWAT team (world's best) just to fish out two terrorists, or tell turkey to use only their police to fight PKK rebels, or Russia to use only their police to fight Chechen rebels. Nigerian police is currently supporting NA operations in counter terrorism in the North and to the best of my knowledge, are far better than these clowns you call special task whatever. so far the achievements i saw were only in the 70's and 80's. what are they doing now that crime has skyrocketed in SA? facebooking? ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) you lack intellect and i'll keep reminding you how S.TUPID you are. http://beegeagle./2013/05/26/nigeria-police-anti-kidnapping-unit-rescue-four-russian-and-ukrianian-nationals-abducted-offshore/ 1 Like
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Foreign Affairs / Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 11:52pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
CraigB: The "overstretched" SANDF remains in the DRC. you are in DRC alone and already overstretched. no wonder seleka mopped the grounds of CAR with your soldiers' blood ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) And last time i checked M23 is currently battling DRC army and your troops are sipping tea. their mandate is to engage the rebels in an offensive but they are on honeymoon in DRC and your are here bragging. bow your head in shame and go watch ben10. 1 Like |
Foreign Affairs / Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 11:31pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
Mike..ZA: The South African Police Service Special Task Force (SAPS STF) is the special operations element of the South African Police Service (SAPS). The STF has a formidable reputation in counterterrorism and insurgency and hostage rescue. Unlike most civilian/police counterterrorist units around the world, the special task force is also trained to conduct military special operations and has done so on many occasions, operating with their military counterparts, especially during the long 30-year border war. History A Special Task Force demonstration at AFB Waterkloof After a hostage siege at the Israeli embassy on 28 April 1975 which became known as the Fox Street Siege the South African government decided to establish a special police unit to deal with situations such as hostage situations. In 1976 the Task force was activated. The Task Force falls under operational control of the Division: Operational Response Services and is responsible for dealing with all high- risk operations, such as hostage situations on land, sea and air, including rescue-related operations. ↑Jump back a section Known Operations 25 January 1980 – The Siege of Volkskas Bank, Silverton, Pretoria. Four terrorists, armed with AK47 assault weapons and hand grenades, held the Volkskas Bank in Silverton, Pretoria under siege. They threatened to kill the hostages if all their demands were not met. In the ensuing release operation, Special Task Force members killed all the terrorists, while hostage casualties were caused by hostile small-arms fire and a hand grenade explosion. 25 – 30 January 1981 – Laingsburg flood disaster. The Special Task Force lead the search – and rescue operations. 47 bodies were recovered in 5 days. The Special Task Force also rendered disaster relief assistance to the local population. 30 July 1988 – Hostage situation- Goedemoed prison. Using sharpened objects, 22 prisoners attacked the prison warders at Goedemoed Prison. One of the warders failed to escape and was taken hostage in a cell. The hostage was stabbed twice in the neck while one of the warders was trying to negotiated with the prisoners. The SAPS Special Task Force was called in to assist in the matter. Nine members of the Special Task Force were flown to Goedemoed Prison. The Special Task Force freed the hostage with the assistance of the negotiator (warder) and the Reaction Unit of Bloemfontein. The two prisoners who held the warder hostage, were wounded, one of them fatally. 14 September 1988 – The Bus Capture at Lesotho. The Pope visited Maseru on the above date. Four members of the Lesotho Freedom Alliance hijacked a bus transporting 74 passengers at the British Embassy. The SAPS Special Task Force was called in to assist in the matter. When negotiations failed, the terrorists began shooting at the bystanders in the British Consulate. They then attempted to use the bus to ram through the embassy gates. The Special Task Force stormed the bus, killing three terrorists and capturing one. They disarmed an improvised booby trap (explosive device). 17 hostages who were injured by hostile gunfire were stabilised by Special Task Force medics. 13 December 1989 – Body recovery at Selby Mine, Johannesburg. Two members of the Special Task Force assisted the Brixton Murder and Robbery Unit in recovering a corpse from the Selby mineshaft, Johannesburg. The corpse was found at a depth of 141 meters. Obstructions, bad construction and the threat of toxic gases created additional hazards. Two members of the Special Task Force were individually lowered into the shaft, but were forced to return to the surface owing to respiratory difficulties. One member was given oxygen apparatus and lowered down the shaft again. After securing the corpse to a rope, he was hoisted to the surface. Both members were awarded the South African Police Cross for Bravery for their unselfish deed. 11 January 1993 – Hostage situation in Walmer, Port Elizabeth. A Black ex-defence force member took a woman hostage and held her at gunpoint. As negotiations failed, the Special Task Force entered the building and incapacitated the captor with 2 shots. The hostage was not hurt. 4 July 1993 – Hijacked Fokker FU28 at Jan Smuts International Airport. A Fokker FU28 airliner of Royal Swazi Airlines with 21 passengers on board was hijacked and diverted to Jan Smuts Airport, near Johannesburg. The SAPS Special Task Force was summoned to the scene and 22 members were dispatched to the airport to contain the situation and release the hostages. After being informed by the psychologist on the scene that the hijacker was emotionally unstable and irrational and a threat to the hostages, the Special Task Force was given the command to recapture the aircraft and to release the hostages. The hijacker was wounded in the head during the storming of the aircraft. A hostage was wounded in the shoulder and the pilot in the leg. No casualties were sustained by members of the Special Task Force. 10 July 1994 – Arrest of Weapon Smugglers at Nduma. Weapons are regularly smuggled from Mozambique to South Africa via the Kruger National Park which borders on Mozambique. The Organized Crime Unit and Firearm Tracing Unit requested the Special Task Force to be of assistance by way of observation duties of specified areas which had been identified by informers as areas which the smugglers readily use. 10 members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the Nduma area in the Kruger National Park where they established observation posts. The operation was successful and three (3) Mozambicans were traced and arrested. The members seized 30 AK47 rifles and three (3) SAM-7 ground-to-air missiles. 27 October 1994 – Hostage Situation and Attempted Suicide at Telkom Offices, Pretoria. A man armed with a firearm and was upset about the non-payment of his salary, entered the Telkom Distribution offices where he worked and took a number of people hostage. The hostage negotiators and 21 members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the scene. After prolonged negotiations, all the hostages were released but the man refused to surrender and threatened to take his own life. The Special Task Force were still in position and ready to take action while the negotiations with the man continued. While the negotiations were taking place, the man decided, without warning, to move to another office. The man was overwhelmed in the passage after his attention had been drawn by a stun grenade and he was disarmed. Neither the man or the people who disarmed him were injured in the incident. 15 June 1994 – Rescue Operation Salu Building, Pretoria. 28 members of the Special Task Force raced to the city center to assist with a rescue operation. A building with a number of floors was on fire and personnel working in the building above the floors which were on fire, were trapped. Members of the Special Task Force, SAPS Air Wing and SA Air Force using helicopters rescued people from the top of the building. Other members used roping equipment to evacuate the trapped people to safety. Only a small number of people were treated for minor burns and smoke inhalation. 1 March 1995 – Hostage Situation Bella Vista, Johannesburg. A man took his fiancee and her little daughter hostage after a family dispute. The hostage negotiators and six members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the scene. During negotiations, the man continually held a knife against the throat of his fiancee and also sodomised her in the presence of her daughter. The child was also ill-treated by the man while his fiancee had to watch. A tactical release of the hostages was the only way out. One member of the Special Task Force was employed as a sniper and during the tactical release of the hostages, the man was fatally wounded. A firearm was found in the room where the man had held the woman and child hostage. 27 November 1995 – Kidnapping and Hostage Situation, Vereeniging. The Intelligence Service and CID of Secunda and Vereeniging requested the assistance of the Special Task Force in an operation to locate the whereabouts of a man who had been kidnapped and was being held hostage. Information at hand was that the man had been kidnapped by 3 men and was being held hostage in a Daleside, Vereenigng house. 9 members of the Special Task Force were made available for the operation and the kidnapped man was released uninjured during a tactical release. All three men were arrested without a single shot being fired. 5 fire-arms which had been used by the hostage takers were seized. 6 August 1995 – Hostage Situation Hollywood Café, Sunnyside. A man fleeing from the SAPS on 6 August 1995, took a woman hostage in the Hollywood Café, Esselen Street, Sunnyside. The Special Task Force was summoned to the scene by Radio Control after which the hostage taker was arrested and the hostage tactically released. The man was found guilty of armed robbery, kidnapping, pointing of a firearm and possession of an unlicensed firearm. 24 to 25 February 1995 – Hostage Situation, St Albans Prison – Port Elizabeth. 22 members of the Special Task Force were summoned to St Alban's Prison, Port Elizabeth where approximately 105 prisoners had taken a prison warder as hostage. During the night of 24 – 25 February 1995, after prolonged negotiations the prison warder was released after a tactical release lasting 20 seconds. One hostage taker was fatally wounded. One injured and the other prisoners were arrested. The hostage was released without injuries. Two firearms and a M26 hand grenade were seized after the operation. 12 August 1996 – Hostage Situation 34 Baccus Street, Irene. On 12 August 1996 a man took a year old baby hostage at 34 Baccus Street, Irene. The Special Task Force deployed 21 members to the scene. During negotiations, snipers were deployed in the vicinity. The snipers observed that the man held the baby in front of him with a knife to its throat all the time. The hostage taker only moved a curtain occasionally to see what was going on outside, but never let go of the baby. Negotiations which had lasted a long time did not succeed and it was decided on a tactical release of the baby by members of the Special Task Force. During the tactical release, both snipers fired simultaneously, fatally wounding the hostage taker. The baby was safely released without any injuries. 22 May 1997 – Hostage Situation Nando's, Johannesburg. Three robbers trying to rob Nando's on the corner of Cromhout and Kimberley Streets, Johannesburg were cornered by members of the SAPS Johannesburg after being alerted by members of the public. The robbers took the employees of Nando's hostage. A gun-battle between the robbers and the SAPS took place during which two members of the SAPS were wounded. 19 members of the Special Task Force were deployed. During the release of the hostages, the three robbers were wounded and arrested. No members of the public were injured. 25 June 2006 – The Jeppestown Massacre, Jeppestown, central Johannesburg. After a robbery, 23 robbers were followed by a police helicopter to a safe house. 4 SAPS members were murdered and 8 robbers were killed in the siege before the remaining 15 gang members surrendered. Members of the Special Task Force were deployed to assist the SAPS in ending the siege. 10 August – 20 September 2012 – Marikana Miners' Strike, Rustenburg. Members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the Lonmin owned mine in the Marikana area after 2 police official, 2 security guards and 4 miners were murdered by striking miners between 12 and 14 August. On 16 August, after storming police forces with traditional weapons and small arms, 34 miners were shot dead by SAPS members and another 78 miners were injured. This became known as the Marikana Massacre. 24 November 2012 – Protea Coin cash compound, Robertsville, western Johannesburg. At around 17:00, the Task Force confronted a group of 20 heavily armed cash in transit robbers in a foiled robbery, after the robbers were cornered and opened fire on the members of the Task Force, they returned fire killing 7 and wounding 9 of the robbers. None of the Task Force members were injured in the shootout. ↑Jump back a section Recruitment and training Prospective members have to be at least 21 years old and must have served at least two years in the South African Police Service. The volunteer must also show certain personal traits such as: maturity leadership skills sound judgment. All Task Force applicants are volunteers and have to comply with stringent physical requirements before being admitted to the basic training and selection course. The basic training course is twenty-six weeks long and includes weapons, rural and urban combat as well as basic parachute training courses. Compulsory advanced courses include special skills such as diving, VIP protection, explosives and medical training. The total initial training period is nine months, but completing all the requisite advanced courses to become a full-fledged Special Task Force operational member may last up to three years.[1] Although membership of the Special Task Force open to both male and female SAPS members, female operatives undergo a separate selection course" ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) is this supposed to be a joke or what ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) you are lucky i was banned for my initial response to this piece of crap ![angry](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/angry.png) this boy wan kill me with him mumu o.. make una help me. ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) so you've been comparing the great Nigerian military to an underachieved SANDF, only to bring achievements of police special task force on internal operations. WDF!! ![shocked](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/shocked.gif) Nigerian police MOPOL, SARS and anti terrorism squad are busy fighting boko haram in the north, kidnappers in the south, pirates in the Delta, deployed on PKO in Mali, Somalia, Guinea Bissau, Liberia . please don't let us compare them with yours cos they may not be as equipped as your models, but they get the hardest jobs done and are well tested. please post achievements of SANDF on african continent. no wonder jealousy wan kill una ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) |