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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:06pm On Jul 24, 2013
Mike..ZA:
Yes,such obsolete military hardware need to be commanded by a "expert General". And do "double face mon.keys hibernate" in Nigeria,during "summer"?

Obsolete equipment ? Nigeria deployed VBL in Mali same as France, plus the latest 2013 Sandcat MRAP we just purchased this year from Israel, then 2012 upgraded Alpha jets, 2012 upgraded Mi-35 Hind Helicopter gunships, 2013 newly developed land drone USV, and other new stuff Nigeria deployed in Mali.

If you call those obsolete then you need more than help, you need to become part of waste disposal materials grin

nigerian army 35 units of modern Sandcat MRAPS for Mali war purchased 2013

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 5:09pm On Jul 24, 2013
http://dailytrust.info/index.php/editorial/1131-overstretching-the-military-in-peace-time

OVERSTRETCHING THE MILITARY IN PEACE TIME


Category: Editorial Published on Friday, 19 July 2013 06:00 Written by . Hits: 592

The National Security Adviser, Colonel Sambo Dasuki at a civil-military dialogue recently in Abuja, drew attention to the awkward situation of soldiers being deployed to internal security duties in many parts of the country.
Soldiers are involved in such duties in 28 states. They are presently battling insurgency and terrorism, other various forms of criminal conduct that have heightened security demand, making its personnel to see more deployment in aid of civil authority than is healthy for the nation in the long run.
Dasuki noted that it was not the duty of the military to handle internal security operations. While it is the function of the military to assist civilian authority to handle civil disobedience, it is assumed that such rules would be carried out only when the capacity of the police is inadequate to quell the crisis, he argued. Policing the domestic arena should not be the duty of the military whose training is directed at combating external aggression, he said. By giving expression to the ubiquitous presence of soldiers who, indeed should rarely be seen in public in such numbers in peacetime, the national security adviser has hit on a very disturbing trend.
These days, commuters are more likely to encounter soldiers, rather than policemen, manning checkpoints on highways. Similarly, they are also now being detailed to guard residences and offices of politicians, duties that should not ever be part of their brief. This abnormal development has created the fear that soon an institution that prides itself as the guardian of the territorial integrity of the state would soon be compromised, because its normally high standards of training and discipline are jettisoned. Indeed, this is already happening, as most motorists tell tales of soldiers who openly seek favours from them at checkpoints on the many thoroughfares across the country.
Certainly, favour-seeking or extortion on the part of soldiers is a despicable and unacceptable attitude. However, this pales into insignificance when the overall damaging impact of such soldiers’ conduct on discipline and professionalism is considered. It is so serious that bribe-taking soldiers and others that have committed other misdemeanours are now being taken to court on a regular basis. This is a poignant and salient point particularly with a number of Nigerian soldiers on peacekeeping duties, and too much emphasis being put on deploying a greater number of those at home to civil duties.
Admittedly, this foray of the military into civil duties may have been forced on it by the inability of the Nigeria Police Force (NPF) to effectively discharge its duty of combating emerging security challenges that threaten to overwhelm the country. Had the NPF been properly inclined through proper staffing and funding, to challenge and defeat these forces seeking to undermine the wellbeing of the state, there would have been no cause to draft the military into the fray. The inadequacies of the police are therefore threatening to jeopardise the efficiency of other security arms. This must not be allowed to go on for too long.
The immediate action to take is to embark on a phased withdrawal of soldiers from civil duties, particularly those mounting sentry at checkpoints. This programmed plan to return the soldiers to their traditional role should be pursued side by side with the enablement and empowerment of the police to be in a strong enough position to take over complete responsibility of maintaining order. This will entail proper training of new entrants and the rank and file in all aspects of policing. In addition, paucity of equipment, including appropriate weapons in civil and armed uprisings, has bedevilled the ability of the police to do their duty effectively. It is important for them to be provided with adequate wherewithal for optimum performance.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by dragon2(m): 7:07pm On Jul 24, 2013
@craigb
The Nigerian Army is in 28 states battling terrorists and as you suggest is overstreched,SANDF is in peace,and is overstreched just trying to police it's borders.well if there was any real need for extra troops we would call back all our security forces to deal with it cause we have both police and millitary forces in many countries serria-leone and liberia included. when our general says overstreched it is relative not absolute.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 7:21pm On Jul 24, 2013
drag_on: @craigb
The Nigerian Army is in 28 states battling terrorists and as you suggest

As the Naai-gerian "Daily Trust" suggests. undecided

The "overstretched" SANDF remains in the DRC. The overstretched Naai-gerian military has failed in Mali.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 8:44pm On Jul 24, 2013
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Donian007: 9:58pm On Jul 24, 2013
Fynline: SF training
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 11:31pm On Jul 24, 2013
Mike..ZA:
The South African Police Service Special
Task Force (SAPS STF) is the special
operations element of the South African
Police Service (SAPS).
The STF has a formidable reputation in
counterterrorism and insurgency and
hostage rescue. Unlike most civilian/police
counterterrorist units around the world, the
special task force is also trained to conduct
military special operations and has done so
on many occasions, operating with their
military counterparts, especially during the
long 30-year border war.
History
A Special Task Force demonstration at
AFB Waterkloof
After a hostage siege at the Israeli embassy
on 28 April 1975 which became known as
the Fox Street Siege the South African
government decided to establish a special
police unit to deal with situations such as
hostage situations.
In 1976 the Task force was activated. The
Task Force falls under operational control of
the Division: Operational Response Services
and is responsible for dealing with all high-
risk operations, such as hostage situations
on land, sea and air, including rescue-related
operations.
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Known Operations
25 January 1980 – The Siege of Volkskas
Bank, Silverton, Pretoria. Four terrorists,
armed with AK47 assault weapons and hand
grenades, held the Volkskas Bank in
Silverton, Pretoria under siege. They
threatened to kill the hostages if all their
demands were not met. In the ensuing
release operation, Special Task Force
members killed all the terrorists, while
hostage casualties were caused by hostile
small-arms fire and a hand grenade
explosion.
25 – 30 January 1981 – Laingsburg flood
disaster. The Special Task Force lead the
search – and rescue operations. 47 bodies
were recovered in 5 days. The Special Task
Force also rendered disaster relief assistance
to the local population.
30 July 1988 – Hostage situation-
Goedemoed prison. Using sharpened objects,
22 prisoners attacked the prison warders at
Goedemoed Prison. One of the warders failed
to escape and was taken hostage in a cell.
The hostage was stabbed twice in the neck
while one of the warders was trying to
negotiated with the prisoners. The SAPS
Special Task Force was called in to assist in
the matter. Nine members of the Special
Task Force were flown to Goedemoed Prison.
The Special Task Force freed the hostage
with the assistance of the negotiator
(warder) and the Reaction Unit of
Bloemfontein. The two prisoners who held
the warder hostage, were wounded, one of
them fatally.
14 September 1988 – The Bus Capture at
Lesotho. The Pope visited Maseru on the
above date. Four members of the Lesotho
Freedom Alliance hijacked a bus transporting
74 passengers at the British Embassy. The
SAPS Special Task Force was called in to
assist in the matter. When negotiations
failed, the terrorists began shooting at the
bystanders in the British Consulate. They
then attempted to use the bus to ram
through the embassy gates. The Special
Task Force stormed the bus, killing three
terrorists and capturing one. They disarmed
an improvised booby trap (explosive device).
17 hostages who were injured by hostile
gunfire were stabilised by Special Task Force
medics.
13 December 1989 – Body recovery at Selby
Mine, Johannesburg. Two members of the
Special Task Force assisted the Brixton
Murder and Robbery Unit in recovering a
corpse from the Selby mineshaft,
Johannesburg. The corpse was found at a
depth of 141 meters. Obstructions, bad
construction and the threat of toxic gases
created additional hazards. Two members of
the Special Task Force were individually
lowered into the shaft, but were forced to
return to the surface owing to respiratory
difficulties. One member was given oxygen
apparatus and lowered down the shaft
again. After securing the corpse to a rope,
he was hoisted to the surface. Both
members were awarded the South African
Police Cross for Bravery for their unselfish
deed.
11 January 1993 – Hostage situation in
Walmer, Port Elizabeth. A Black ex-defence
force member took a woman hostage and
held her at gunpoint. As negotiations failed,
the Special Task Force entered the building
and incapacitated the captor with 2 shots.
The hostage was not hurt.
4 July 1993 – Hijacked Fokker FU28 at Jan
Smuts International Airport. A Fokker FU28
airliner of Royal Swazi Airlines with 21
passengers on board was hijacked and
diverted to Jan Smuts Airport, near
Johannesburg. The SAPS Special Task Force
was summoned to the scene and 22
members were dispatched to the airport to
contain the situation and release the
hostages. After being informed by the
psychologist on the scene that the hijacker
was emotionally unstable and irrational and a
threat to the hostages, the Special Task
Force was given the command to recapture
the aircraft and to release the hostages. The
hijacker was wounded in the head during
the storming of the aircraft. A hostage was
wounded in the shoulder and the pilot in the
leg. No casualties were sustained by
members of the Special Task Force.
10 July 1994 – Arrest of Weapon Smugglers
at Nduma. Weapons are regularly smuggled
from Mozambique to South Africa via the
Kruger National Park which borders on
Mozambique. The Organized Crime Unit and
Firearm Tracing Unit requested the Special
Task Force to be of assistance by way of
observation duties of specified areas which
had been identified by informers as areas
which the smugglers readily use. 10
members of the Special Task Force were
deployed to the Nduma area in the Kruger
National Park where they established
observation posts. The operation was
successful and three (3) Mozambicans were
traced and arrested. The members seized 30
AK47 rifles and three (3) SAM-7 ground-to-air
missiles.
27 October 1994 – Hostage Situation and
Attempted Suicide at Telkom Offices,
Pretoria. A man armed with a firearm and
was upset about the non-payment of his
salary, entered the Telkom Distribution
offices where he worked and took a number
of people hostage. The hostage negotiators
and 21 members of the Special Task Force
were deployed to the scene. After prolonged
negotiations, all the hostages were released
but the man refused to surrender and
threatened to take his own life. The Special
Task Force were still in position and ready to
take action while the negotiations with the
man continued. While the negotiations were
taking place, the man decided, without
warning, to move to another office. The man
was overwhelmed in the passage after his
attention had been drawn by a stun grenade
and he was disarmed. Neither the man or
the people who disarmed him were injured in
the incident.
15 June 1994 – Rescue Operation Salu
Building, Pretoria. 28 members of the Special
Task Force raced to the city center to assist
with a rescue operation. A building with a
number of floors was on fire and personnel
working in the building above the floors
which were on fire, were trapped. Members
of the Special Task Force, SAPS Air Wing and
SA Air Force using helicopters rescued
people from the top of the building. Other
members used roping equipment to
evacuate the trapped people to safety. Only
a small number of people were treated for
minor burns and smoke inhalation.
1 March 1995 – Hostage Situation Bella
Vista, Johannesburg. A man took his fiancee
and her little daughter hostage after a family
dispute. The hostage negotiators and six
members of the Special Task Force were
deployed to the scene. During negotiations,
the man continually held a knife against the
throat of his fiancee and also sodomised her
in the presence of her daughter. The child
was also ill-treated by the man while his
fiancee had to watch. A tactical release of
the hostages was the only way out. One
member of the Special Task Force was
employed as a sniper and during the tactical
release of the hostages, the man was fatally
wounded. A firearm was found in the room
where the man had held the woman and
child hostage.
27 November 1995 – Kidnapping and
Hostage Situation, Vereeniging. The
Intelligence Service and CID of Secunda and
Vereeniging requested the assistance of the
Special Task Force in an operation to locate
the whereabouts of a man who had been
kidnapped and was being held hostage.
Information at hand was that the man had
been kidnapped by 3 men and was being
held hostage in a Daleside, Vereenigng
house. 9 members of the Special Task Force
were made available for the operation and
the kidnapped man was released uninjured
during a tactical release. All three men were
arrested without a single shot being fired. 5
fire-arms which had been used by the
hostage takers were seized.
6 August 1995 – Hostage Situation
Hollywood Café, Sunnyside. A man fleeing
from the SAPS on 6 August 1995, took a
woman hostage in the Hollywood Café,
Esselen Street, Sunnyside. The Special Task
Force was summoned to the scene by Radio
Control after which the hostage taker was
arrested and the hostage tactically released.
The man was found guilty of armed robbery,
kidnapping, pointing of a firearm and
possession of an unlicensed firearm.
24 to 25 February 1995 – Hostage Situation,
St Albans Prison – Port Elizabeth. 22
members of the Special Task Force were
summoned to St Alban's Prison, Port
Elizabeth where approximately 105 prisoners
had taken a prison warder as hostage.
During the night of 24 – 25 February 1995,
after prolonged negotiations the prison
warder was released after a tactical release
lasting 20 seconds. One hostage taker was
fatally wounded. One injured and the other
prisoners were arrested. The hostage was
released without injuries. Two firearms and a
M26 hand grenade were seized after the
operation.
12 August 1996 – Hostage Situation 34
Baccus Street, Irene. On 12 August 1996 a
man took a year old baby hostage at 34
Baccus Street, Irene. The Special Task Force
deployed 21 members to the scene. During
negotiations, snipers were deployed in the
vicinity. The snipers observed that the man
held the baby in front of him with a knife to
its throat all the time. The hostage taker only
moved a curtain occasionally to see what
was going on outside, but never let go of the
baby. Negotiations which had lasted a long
time did not succeed and it was decided on
a tactical release of the baby by members of
the Special Task Force. During the tactical
release, both snipers fired simultaneously,
fatally wounding the hostage taker. The
baby was safely released without any
injuries.
22 May 1997 – Hostage Situation Nando's,
Johannesburg. Three robbers trying to rob
Nando's on the corner of Cromhout and
Kimberley Streets, Johannesburg were
cornered by members of the SAPS
Johannesburg after being alerted by
members of the public. The robbers took the
employees of Nando's hostage. A gun-battle
between the robbers and the SAPS took
place during which two members of the
SAPS were wounded. 19 members of the
Special Task Force were deployed. During
the release of the hostages, the three
robbers were wounded and arrested. No
members of the public were injured.
25 June 2006 – The Jeppestown Massacre,
Jeppestown, central Johannesburg. After a
robbery, 23 robbers were followed by a
police helicopter to a safe house. 4 SAPS
members were murdered and 8 robbers
were killed in the siege before the remaining
15 gang members surrendered. Members of
the Special Task Force were deployed to
assist the SAPS in ending the siege.
10 August – 20 September 2012 – Marikana
Miners' Strike, Rustenburg. Members of the
Special Task Force were deployed to the
Lonmin owned mine in the Marikana area
after 2 police official, 2 security guards and 4
miners were murdered by striking miners
between 12 and 14 August. On 16 August,
after storming police forces with traditional
weapons and small arms, 34 miners were
shot dead by SAPS members and another 78
miners were injured. This became known as
the Marikana Massacre.
24 November 2012 – Protea Coin cash
compound, Robertsville, western
Johannesburg. At around 17:00, the Task
Force confronted a group of 20 heavily
armed cash in transit robbers in a foiled
robbery, after the robbers were cornered
and opened fire on the members of the Task
Force, they returned fire killing 7 and
wounding 9 of the robbers. None of the Task
Force members were injured in the shootout.
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Recruitment and training
Prospective members have to be at least 21
years old and must have served at least two
years in the South African Police Service. The
volunteer must also show certain personal
traits such as:
maturity
leadership skills
sound judgment.
All Task Force applicants are volunteers and
have to comply with stringent physical
requirements before being admitted to the
basic training and selection course. The
basic training course is twenty-six weeks
long and includes weapons, rural and urban
combat as well as basic parachute training
courses. Compulsory advanced courses
include special skills such as diving, VIP
protection, explosives and medical training.
The total initial training period is nine
months, but completing all the requisite
advanced courses to become a full-fledged
Special Task Force operational member may
last up to three years.[1]
Although membership of the Special Task
Force open to both male and female SAPS
members, female operatives undergo a
separate selection course"

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is this supposed to be a joke or what grin

you are lucky i was banned for my initial response to this piece of crap angry

this boy wan kill me with him mumu o.. make una help me. grin grin

so you've been comparing the great Nigerian military to an underachieved SANDF, only to bring achievements of police special task force on internal operations. WDF!! shocked

Nigerian police MOPOL, SARS and anti terrorism squad are busy fighting boko haram in the north, kidnappers in the south, pirates in the Delta, deployed on PKO in Mali, Somalia, Guinea Bissau, Liberia . please don't let us compare them with yours cos they may not be as equipped as your models, but they get the hardest jobs done and are well tested.

please post achievements of SANDF on african continent.

no wonder jealousy wan kill una grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 11:43pm On Jul 24, 2013
chrissy365:

the great Nigerian military

Great, where? In Mali?

OK.

Anyway, pull the other one re: your police.


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http://dailytrust.info/index.php/editorial/1131-overstretching-the-military-in-peace-time

Admittedly, this foray of the military into civil duties may have been forced on it by the inability of the Nigeria Police Force (NPF) to effectively discharge its duty of combating emerging security challenges that threaten to overwhelm the country. Had the NPF been properly inclined through proper staffing and funding, to challenge and defeat these forces seeking to undermine the wellbeing of the state, there would have been no cause to draft the military into the fray. The inadequacies of the police are therefore threatening to jeopardise the efficiency of other security arms. This must not be allowed to go on for too long.
The immediate action to take is to embark on a phased withdrawal of soldiers from civil duties, particularly those mounting sentry at checkpoints. This programmed plan to return the soldiers to their traditional role should be pursued side by side with the enablement and empowerment of the police to be in a strong enough position to take over complete responsibility of maintaining order. This will entail proper training of new entrants and the rank and file in all aspects of policing. In addition, paucity of equipment, including appropriate weapons in civil and armed uprisings, has bedevilled the ability of the police to do their duty effectively. It is important for them to be provided with adequate wherewithal for optimum performance.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:49pm On Jul 24, 2013
chrissy365:

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is this supposed to be a joke or what grin

you are lucky i was banned for my initial response to this piece of crap angry

this boy wan kill me with him mumu o.. make una help me. grin grin

so you've been comparing the great Nigerian military to an underachieved SANDF, only to bring achievements of police special task force on internal operations. WDF!! shocked

Nigerian police MOPOL, SARS and anti terrorism squad are busy fighting boko haram in the north, kidnappers in the south, pirates in the Delta, deployed on PKO in Mali, Somalia, Guinea Bissau, Liberia . please don't let us compare them with yours cos they may not be as equipped as your models, but they get the hardest jobs done and are well tested.

please post achievements of SANDF on african continent.

no wonder jealousy wan kill una grin grin grin grin grin


i have said it several times that @Mike..ZA is better on a police vs armed robbers thread, not a military forum grin

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 11:52pm On Jul 24, 2013
CraigB:
The "overstretched" SANDF remains in the DRC.

you are in DRC alone and already overstretched. no wonder seleka mopped the grounds of CAR with your soldiers' blood grin
And last time i checked M23 is currently battling DRC army and your troops are sipping tea. their mandate is to engage the rebels in an offensive but they are on honeymoon in DRC and your are here bragging.

bow your head in shame and go watch ben10.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 12:00am On Jul 25, 2013
chrissy365:

you are in DRC alone and already overstretched.

As in, we have recalled our DRC troops because they are needed back in South Africa?

Sure, dude.

You could jump sky-high, your troops are still headed home. I think we all know who should be bowing their head in shame.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:04am On Jul 25, 2013
............................[size=16pt]best in africa part 3[/size]



the best main battle tank in africa is the T-90 MBT of the armies of Algeria and Uganda. algeria spent almost $1 billion to buy 305 units of this tank from russia.


it is surprising that some countries we think have the most modern weapons in africa are not having so much of the best.

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 12:05am On Jul 25, 2013
CraigB:

Great, where? In Mali?

OK.

Anyway, pull the other one re: your police.


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http://dailytrust.info/index.php/editorial/1131-overstretching-the-military-in-peace-time

Admittedly, this foray of the military into civil duties may have been forced on it by the inability of the Nigeria Police Force (NPF) to effectively discharge its duty of combating emerging security challenges that threaten to overwhelm the country. Had the NPF been properly inclined through proper staffing and funding, to challenge and defeat these forces seeking to undermine the wellbeing of the state, there would have been no cause to draft the military into the fray. The inadequacies of the police are therefore threatening to jeopardise the efficiency of other security arms. This must not be allowed to go on for too long.
The immediate action to take is to embark on a phased withdrawal of soldiers from civil duties, particularly those mounting sentry at checkpoints. This programmed plan to return the soldiers to their traditional role should be pursued side by side with the enablement and empowerment of the police to be in a strong enough position to take over complete responsibility of maintaining order. This will entail proper training of new entrants and the rank and file in all aspects of policing. In addition, paucity of equipment, including appropriate weapons in civil and armed uprisings, has bedevilled the ability of the police to do their duty effectively. It is important for them to be provided with adequate wherewithal for optimum performance.

i can forgive you since i understand your poor knowledge of everything in life.

why didn't you send your special task force to CAR to battle seleka or DRC (although your troops are playing sissy there as we speak grin) since it is the police job to fight terrorist that are armed with anti aircraft guns, GPMG, RPG and IED.

or why don't you tell Mexico to withdraw troops that are battling cartels on the streets, or ask the US why they had to deploy their national guard to support thousand of SWAT team (world's best) just to fish out two terrorists, or tell turkey to use only their police to fight PKK rebels, or Russia to use only their police to fight Chechen rebels.

Nigerian police is currently supporting NA operations in counter terrorism in the North and to the best of my knowledge, are far better than these clowns you call special task whatever.

so far the achievements i saw were only in the 70's and 80's. what are they doing now that crime has skyrocketed in SA? facebooking? grin

you lack intellect and i'll keep reminding you how S.TUPID you are.
http://beegeagle./2013/05/26/nigeria-police-anti-kidnapping-unit-rescue-four-russian-and-ukrianian-nationals-abducted-offshore/

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 12:09am On Jul 25, 2013
chrissy365:


why didn't you send your special task force to CAR to battle seleka or DRC

South Africa isn't Naai-geria, where ghetto decisions are made. Special tasks force means just that - special.

Not that you'd know anything about that. You have no clear lines between military and police work.

That's why your troops are headed back now to do what your police should be doing.

As well-stated as ever by the Daily Trust >>>>

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http://dailytrust.info/index.php/editorial/1131-overstretching-the-military-in-peace-time

Admittedly, this foray of the military into civil duties may have been forced on it by the inability of the Nigeria Police Force (NPF) to effectively discharge its duty of combating emerging security challenges that threaten to overwhelm the country.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:11am On Jul 25, 2013
chrissy365:

i can forgive you since i understand your poor knowledge of everything in life.

why didn't you send your special task force to CAR to battle seleka or DRC (although your troops are playing sissy there as we speak grin) since it is the police job to fight terrorist that are armed with anti aircraft guns, GPMG, RPG and IED.

or why don't you tell Mexico to withdraw troops that are battling cartels on the streets, or ask the US why they had to deploy their national guard to support thousand of SWAT team (world's best) just to fish out two terrorists, or tell turkey to use only their police to fight PKK rebels, or Russia to use only their police to fight Chechen rebels.

Nigerian police is currently supporting NA operations in counter terrorism in the North and to the best of my knowledge, are far better than these clowns you call special task whatever.

so far the achievements i saw were only in the 70's and 80's. what are they doing now that crime has skyrocketed in SA? facebooking? grin

you lack intellect and i'll keep reminding you how S.TUPID you are.


you know that if the south africans stop writing rubbish, then they are no longer south africans grin grin


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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 12:12am On Jul 25, 2013
agaugust:


you know that if the south africans stop writing rubbish, then they are no longer south africans grin grin


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In this instance, the "rubbish" was written by Naai-gerian publications. But seeing as you'll never be published, you don't recognise good pieces, cheerleader.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 12:15am On Jul 25, 2013
agaugust:

............................[size=16pt]best in africa part 3[/size]



the best main battle tank in africa is the T-90 MBT of the armies of Algeria and Uganda. algeria spent almost $1 billion to buy 305 units of this tank from russia.


it is surprising that some countries we think have the most modern weapons in africa are not having so much of the best.


Oh! The contradiction! grin

"Best in Africa", and you are all still complaining that you aren't recognised and are sidelined by the UN? Neither of your explanations of your Mali failure work for you. grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by chrissy365: 12:20am On Jul 25, 2013
agaugust:


you know that if the south africans stop writing rubbish, then they are no longer south africans grin grin


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no mind the dull head CraigB and other snot african. i don go sleep jare
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 12:21am On Jul 25, 2013
chrissy365:

no mind the dull head CraigB and other snot african. i don go sleep jare

Your insults have lost the little edge they had.

You still have the Mali failure situation, whether you "mind" me or not.

There's only one f*ool here. And that's you.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 12:25am On Jul 25, 2013
The clueless uniformed men of Naai-geria.

This man is supposed to be "para-military". And the "intelligent" Naai-gerians would have us believe that they know what they are doing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9ZV8pfJS34
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:31am On Jul 25, 2013
agaugust:

............................[size=16pt]best in africa part 3[/size]



the best main battle tank in africa is the T-90 MBT of the armies of Algeria and Uganda. algeria spent almost $1 billion to buy 305 units of this tank from russia.


it is surprising that some countries we think have the most modern weapons in africa are not having so much of the best.


Uganda recently placed orders for 100 of these. Very beautiful MBT.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:37am On Jul 25, 2013
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by sambos994(m): 1:56am On Jul 25, 2013
Mike..ZA:
The South African Police Service Special
Task Force (SAPS STF) is the special
operations element of the South African
Police Service (SAPS).
The STF has a formidable reputation in
counterterrorism and insurgency and
hostage rescue. Unlike most civilian/police
counterterrorist units around the world, the
special task force is also trained to conduct
military special operations and has done so
on many occasions, operating with their
military counterparts, especially during the
long 30-year border war.
History
A Special Task Force demonstration at
AFB Waterkloof
After a hostage siege at the Israeli embassy
on 28 April 1975 which became known as
the Fox Street Siege the South African
government decided to establish a special
police unit to deal with situations such as
hostage situations.
In 1976 the Task force was activated. The
Task Force falls under operational control of
the Division: Operational Response Services
and is responsible for dealing with all high-
risk operations, such as hostage situations
on land, sea and air, including rescue-related
operations.
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Known Operations
25 January 1980 – The Siege of Volkskas
Bank, Silverton, Pretoria. Four terrorists,
armed with AK47 assault weapons and hand
grenades, held the Volkskas Bank in
Silverton, Pretoria under siege. They
threatened to kill the hostages if all their
demands were not met. In the ensuing
release operation, Special Task Force
members killed all the terrorists, while
hostage casualties were caused by hostile
small-arms fire and a hand grenade
explosion.
25 – 30 January 1981 – Laingsburg flood
disaster. The Special Task Force lead the
search – and rescue operations. 47 bodies
were recovered in 5 days. The Special Task
Force also rendered disaster relief assistance
to the local population.
30 July 1988 – Hostage situation-
Goedemoed prison. Using sharpened objects,
22 prisoners attacked the prison warders at
Goedemoed Prison. One of the warders failed
to escape and was taken hostage in a cell.
The hostage was stabbed twice in the neck
while one of the warders was trying to
negotiated with the prisoners. The SAPS
Special Task Force was called in to assist in
the matter. Nine members of the Special
Task Force were flown to Goedemoed Prison.
The Special Task Force freed the hostage
with the assistance of the negotiator
(warder) and the Reaction Unit of
Bloemfontein. The two prisoners who held
the warder hostage, were wounded, one of
them fatally.
14 September 1988 – The Bus Capture at
Lesotho. The Pope visited Maseru on the
above date. Four members of the Lesotho
Freedom Alliance hijacked a bus transporting
74 passengers at the British Embassy. The
SAPS Special Task Force was called in to
assist in the matter. When negotiations
failed, the terrorists began shooting at the
bystanders in the British Consulate. They
then attempted to use the bus to ram
through the embassy gates. The Special
Task Force stormed the bus, killing three
terrorists and capturing one. They disarmed
an improvised booby trap (explosive device).
17 hostages who were injured by hostile
gunfire were stabilised by Special Task Force
medics.
13 December 1989 – Body recovery at Selby
Mine, Johannesburg. Two members of the
Special Task Force assisted the Brixton
Murder and Robbery Unit in recovering a
corpse from the Selby mineshaft,
Johannesburg. The corpse was found at a
depth of 141 meters. Obstructions, bad
construction and the threat of toxic gases
created additional hazards. Two members of
the Special Task Force were individually
lowered into the shaft, but were forced to
return to the surface owing to respiratory
difficulties. One member was given oxygen
apparatus and lowered down the shaft
again. After securing the corpse to a rope,
he was hoisted to the surface. Both
members were awarded the South African
Police Cross for Bravery for their unselfish
deed.
11 January 1993 – Hostage situation in
Walmer, Port Elizabeth. A Black ex-defence
force member took a woman hostage and
held her at gunpoint. As negotiations failed,
the Special Task Force entered the building
and incapacitated the captor with 2 shots.
The hostage was not hurt.
4 July 1993 – Hijacked Fokker FU28 at Jan
Smuts International Airport. A Fokker FU28
airliner of Royal Swazi Airlines with 21
passengers on board was hijacked and
diverted to Jan Smuts Airport, near
Johannesburg. The SAPS Special Task Force
was summoned to the scene and 22
members were dispatched to the airport to
contain the situation and release the
hostages. After being informed by the
psychologist on the scene that the hijacker
was emotionally unstable and irrational and a
threat to the hostages, the Special Task
Force was given the command to recapture
the aircraft and to release the hostages. The
hijacker was wounded in the head during
the storming of the aircraft. A hostage was
wounded in the shoulder and the pilot in the
leg. No casualties were sustained by
members of the Special Task Force.
10 July 1994 – Arrest of Weapon Smugglers
at Nduma. Weapons are regularly smuggled
from Mozambique to South Africa via the
Kruger National Park which borders on
Mozambique. The Organized Crime Unit and
Firearm Tracing Unit requested the Special
Task Force to be of assistance by way of
observation duties of specified areas which
had been identified by informers as areas
which the smugglers readily use. 10
members of the Special Task Force were
deployed to the Nduma area in the Kruger
National Park where they established
observation posts. The operation was
successful and three (3) Mozambicans were
traced and arrested. The members seized 30
AK47 rifles and three (3) SAM-7 ground-to-air
missiles.
27 October 1994 – Hostage Situation and
Attempted Suicide at Telkom Offices,
Pretoria. A man armed with a firearm and
was upset about the non-payment of his
salary, entered the Telkom Distribution
offices where he worked and took a number
of people hostage. The hostage negotiators
and 21 members of the Special Task Force
were deployed to the scene. After prolonged
negotiations, all the hostages were released
but the man refused to surrender and
threatened to take his own life. The Special
Task Force were still in position and ready to
take action while the negotiations with the
man continued. While the negotiations were
taking place, the man decided, without
warning, to move to another office. The man
was overwhelmed in the passage after his
attention had been drawn by a stun grenade
and he was disarmed. Neither the man or
the people who disarmed him were injured in
the incident.
15 June 1994 – Rescue Operation Salu
Building, Pretoria. 28 members of the Special
Task Force raced to the city center to assist
with a rescue operation. A building with a
number of floors was on fire and personnel
working in the building above the floors
which were on fire, were trapped. Members
of the Special Task Force, SAPS Air Wing and
SA Air Force using helicopters rescued
people from the top of the building. Other
members used roping equipment to
evacuate the trapped people to safety. Only
a small number of people were treated for
minor burns and smoke inhalation.
1 March 1995 – Hostage Situation Bella
Vista, Johannesburg. A man took his fiancee
and her little daughter hostage after a family
dispute. The hostage negotiators and six
members of the Special Task Force were
deployed to the scene. During negotiations,
the man continually held a knife against the
throat of his fiancee and also sodomised her
in the presence of her daughter. The child
was also ill-treated by the man while his
fiancee had to watch. A tactical release of
the hostages was the only way out. One
member of the Special Task Force was
employed as a sniper and during the tactical
release of the hostages, the man was fatally
wounded. A firearm was found in the room
where the man had held the woman and
child hostage.
27 November 1995 – Kidnapping and
Hostage Situation, Vereeniging. The
Intelligence Service and CID of Secunda and
Vereeniging requested the assistance of the
Special Task Force in an operation to locate
the whereabouts of a man who had been
kidnapped and was being held hostage.
Information at hand was that the man had
been kidnapped by 3 men and was being
held hostage in a Daleside, Vereenigng
house. 9 members of the Special Task Force
were made available for the operation and
the kidnapped man was released uninjured
during a tactical release. All three men were
arrested without a single shot being fired. 5
fire-arms which had been used by the
hostage takers were seized.
6 August 1995 – Hostage Situation
Hollywood Café, Sunnyside. A man fleeing
from the SAPS on 6 August 1995, took a
woman hostage in the Hollywood Café,
Esselen Street, Sunnyside. The Special Task
Force was summoned to the scene by Radio
Control after which the hostage taker was
arrested and the hostage tactically released.
The man was found guilty of armed robbery,
kidnapping, pointing of a firearm and
possession of an unlicensed firearm.
24 to 25 February 1995 – Hostage Situation,
St Albans Prison – Port Elizabeth. 22
members of the Special Task Force were
summoned to St Alban's Prison, Port
Elizabeth where approximately 105 prisoners
had taken a prison warder as hostage.
During the night of 24 – 25 February 1995,
after prolonged negotiations the prison
warder was released after a tactical release
lasting 20 seconds. One hostage taker was
fatally wounded. One injured and the other
prisoners were arrested. The hostage was
released without injuries. Two firearms and a
M26 hand grenade were seized after the
operation.
12 August 1996 – Hostage Situation 34
Baccus Street, Irene. On 12 August 1996 a
man took a year old baby hostage at 34
Baccus Street, Irene. The Special Task Force
deployed 21 members to the scene. During
negotiations, snipers were deployed in the
vicinity. The snipers observed that the man
held the baby in front of him with a knife to
its throat all the time. The hostage taker only
moved a curtain occasionally to see what
was going on outside, but never let go of the
baby. Negotiations which had lasted a long
time did not succeed and it was decided on
a tactical release of the baby by members of
the Special Task Force. During the tactical
release, both snipers fired simultaneously,
fatally wounding the hostage taker. The
baby was safely released without any
injuries.
22 May 1997 – Hostage Situation Nando's,
Johannesburg. Three robbers trying to rob
Nando's on the corner of Cromhout and
Kimberley Streets, Johannesburg were
cornered by members of the SAPS
Johannesburg after being alerted by
members of the public. The robbers took the
employees of Nando's hostage. A gun-battle
between the robbers and the SAPS took
place during which two members of the
SAPS were wounded. 19 members of the
Special Task Force were deployed. During
the release of the hostages, the three
robbers were wounded and arrested. No
members of the public were injured.
25 June 2006 – The Jeppestown Massacre,
Jeppestown, central Johannesburg. After a
robbery, 23 robbers were followed by a
police helicopter to a safe house. 4 SAPS
members were murdered and 8 robbers
were killed in the siege before the remaining
15 gang members surrendered. Members of
the Special Task Force were deployed to
assist the SAPS in ending the siege.
10 August – 20 September 2012 – Marikana
Miners' Strike, Rustenburg. Members of the
Special Task Force were deployed to the
Lonmin owned mine in the Marikana area
after 2 police official, 2 security guards and 4
miners were murdered by striking miners
between 12 and 14 August. On 16 August,
after storming police forces with traditional
weapons and small arms, 34 miners were
shot dead by SAPS members and another 78
miners were injured. This became known as
the Marikana Massacre.

24 November 2012 – Protea Coin cash
compound, Robertsville, western
Johannesburg. At around 17:00, the Task
Force confronted a group of 20 heavily
armed cash in transit robbers in a foiled
robbery, after the robbers were cornered
and opened fire on the members of the Task
Force, they returned fire killing 7 and
wounding 9 of the robbers. None of the Task
Force members were injured in the shootout.
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Recruitment and training
Prospective members have to be at least 21
years old and must have served at least two
years in the South African Police Service. The
volunteer must also show certain personal
traits such as:
maturity
leadership skills
sound judgment.
All Task Force applicants are volunteers and
have to comply with stringent physical
requirements before being admitted to the
basic training and selection course. The
basic training course is twenty-six weeks
long and includes weapons, rural and urban
combat as well as basic parachute training
courses. Compulsory advanced courses
include special skills such as diving, VIP
protection, explosives and medical training.
The total initial training period is nine
months, but completing all the requisite
advanced courses to become a full-fledged
Special Task Force operational member may
last up to three years.[1]
Although membership of the Special Task
Force open to both male and female SAPS
members, female operatives undergo a
separate selection course"

You call that an achievement?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by sambos994(m): 2:04am On Jul 25, 2013
Henry120: Random

What's the third photo?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:39am On Jul 25, 2013
sambos994:

What's the third photo?

Nigerian army special forces undergoing counter-terrorism/ reconnaissance training at the united states army special forces command(SOCOM), FORT BRAGG.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by sambos994(m): 2:52am On Jul 25, 2013
Henry120:

Nigerian army special forces undergoing counter-terrorism/ reconnaissance training at the united states army special forces command(SOCOM), FORT BRAGG.
Oh ok, cause they didn't look like our troops.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by HezronLorraine(m): 6:59am On Jul 25, 2013
Chris u are one hell of a sarcastic dude.u know how to drop the lines.
Fellow nigerians,thank you,u are all doing well,well done also to the south africans,u guys also are good at promoting your military though they are better than fashion models in Milan when it comes to taking pictures..
CraigB,na u act die-hard,u don't want to give up yet,anyways u are wanted in ward B,left wing of National hospital for drug collection.

Me I done tire for this thread wey no one end.We keep saying the same thing over and over again
with different points.


Jokes apart,
Thumbs up everybody who has made vital contributions on this thread,u all are wonderful.when real war comes we'll know whose da boss.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 7:39am On Jul 25, 2013
Again its clearly Egypt and South Africa.

Why is this still being debated?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GidiNaijaPikin: 8:37am On Jul 25, 2013
KidStranglehold: Again its clearly Egypt and South Africa.

Why is this still being debated?

You wish it was your cowardly South Africa!! Sorry ... It's Egypt, Nigeria, Algeria, Ethiopia, and maybe South Africa ... in that order!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Donian007: 8:56am On Jul 25, 2013
chrissy365:

i can forgive you since i understand your poor knowledge of everything in life.

why didn't you send your special task force to CAR to battle seleka or DRC (although your troops are playing sissy there as we speak grin) since it is the police job to fight terrorist that are armed with anti aircraft guns, GPMG, RPG and IED.

or why don't you tell Mexico to withdraw troops that are battling cartels on the streets, or ask the US why they had to deploy their national guard to support thousand of SWAT team (world's best) just to fish out two terrorists, or tell turkey to use only their police to fight PKK rebels, or Russia to use only their police to fight Chechen rebels.

Nigerian police is currently supporting NA operations in counter terrorism in the North and to the best of my knowledge, are far better than these clowns you call special task whatever.

so far the achievements i saw were only in the 70's and 80's. what are they doing now that crime has skyrocketed in SA? facebooking? grin

you lack intellect and i'll keep reminding you how S.TUPID you are.
http://beegeagle./2013/05/26/nigeria-police-anti-kidnapping-unit-rescue-four-russian-and-ukrianian-nationals-abducted-offshore/
@CraigB, Please do me a favour and address the comparism made in this post with Mexican Military fighting the drug cartels, Chechnya rebels vs Russian Army, China has deployed fighter jets to watch the Tibetans, etc. Please what do you think about these?

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