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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 10:24pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
chris365:The South African Police Service Special Task Force (SAPS STF) is the special operations element of the South African Police Service (SAPS). The STF has a formidable reputation in counterterrorism and insurgency and hostage rescue. Unlike most civilian/police counterterrorist units around the world, the special task force is also trained to conduct military special operations and has done so on many occasions, operating with their military counterparts, especially during the long 30-year border war. History A Special Task Force demonstration at AFB Waterkloof After a hostage siege at the Israeli embassy on 28 April 1975 which became known as the Fox Street Siege the South African government decided to establish a special police unit to deal with situations such as hostage situations. In 1976 the Task force was activated. The Task Force falls under operational control of the Division: Operational Response Services and is responsible for dealing with all high- risk operations, such as hostage situations on land, sea and air, including rescue-related operations. ↑Jump back a section Known Operations 25 January 1980 – The Siege of Volkskas Bank, Silverton, Pretoria. Four terrorists, armed with AK47 assault weapons and hand grenades, held the Volkskas Bank in Silverton, Pretoria under siege. They threatened to kill the hostages if all their demands were not met. In the ensuing release operation, Special Task Force members killed all the terrorists, while hostage casualties were caused by hostile small-arms fire and a hand grenade explosion. 25 – 30 January 1981 – Laingsburg flood disaster. The Special Task Force lead the search – and rescue operations. 47 bodies were recovered in 5 days. The Special Task Force also rendered disaster relief assistance to the local population. 30 July 1988 – Hostage situation- Goedemoed prison. Using sharpened objects, 22 prisoners attacked the prison warders at Goedemoed Prison. One of the warders failed to escape and was taken hostage in a cell. The hostage was stabbed twice in the neck while one of the warders was trying to negotiated with the prisoners. The SAPS Special Task Force was called in to assist in the matter. Nine members of the Special Task Force were flown to Goedemoed Prison. The Special Task Force freed the hostage with the assistance of the negotiator (warder) and the Reaction Unit of Bloemfontein. The two prisoners who held the warder hostage, were wounded, one of them fatally. 14 September 1988 – The Bus Capture at Lesotho. The Pope visited Maseru on the above date. Four members of the Lesotho Freedom Alliance hijacked a bus transporting 74 passengers at the British Embassy. The SAPS Special Task Force was called in to assist in the matter. When negotiations failed, the terrorists began shooting at the bystanders in the British Consulate. They then attempted to use the bus to ram through the embassy gates. The Special Task Force stormed the bus, killing three terrorists and capturing one. They disarmed an improvised booby trap (explosive device). 17 hostages who were injured by hostile gunfire were stabilised by Special Task Force medics. 13 December 1989 – Body recovery at Selby Mine, Johannesburg. Two members of the Special Task Force assisted the Brixton Murder and Robbery Unit in recovering a corpse from the Selby mineshaft, Johannesburg. The corpse was found at a depth of 141 meters. Obstructions, bad construction and the threat of toxic gases created additional hazards. Two members of the Special Task Force were individually lowered into the shaft, but were forced to return to the surface owing to respiratory difficulties. One member was given oxygen apparatus and lowered down the shaft again. After securing the corpse to a rope, he was hoisted to the surface. Both members were awarded the South African Police Cross for Bravery for their unselfish deed. 11 January 1993 – Hostage situation in Walmer, Port Elizabeth. A Black ex-defence force member took a woman hostage and held her at gunpoint. As negotiations failed, the Special Task Force entered the building and incapacitated the captor with 2 shots. The hostage was not hurt. 4 July 1993 – Hijacked Fokker FU28 at Jan Smuts International Airport. A Fokker FU28 airliner of Royal Swazi Airlines with 21 passengers on board was hijacked and diverted to Jan Smuts Airport, near Johannesburg. The SAPS Special Task Force was summoned to the scene and 22 members were dispatched to the airport to contain the situation and release the hostages. After being informed by the psychologist on the scene that the hijacker was emotionally unstable and irrational and a threat to the hostages, the Special Task Force was given the command to recapture the aircraft and to release the hostages. The hijacker was wounded in the head during the storming of the aircraft. A hostage was wounded in the shoulder and the pilot in the leg. No casualties were sustained by members of the Special Task Force. 10 July 1994 – Arrest of Weapon Smugglers at Nduma. Weapons are regularly smuggled from Mozambique to South Africa via the Kruger National Park which borders on Mozambique. The Organized Crime Unit and Firearm Tracing Unit requested the Special Task Force to be of assistance by way of observation duties of specified areas which had been identified by informers as areas which the smugglers readily use. 10 members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the Nduma area in the Kruger National Park where they established observation posts. The operation was successful and three (3) Mozambicans were traced and arrested. The members seized 30 AK47 rifles and three (3) SAM-7 ground-to-air missiles. 27 October 1994 – Hostage Situation and Attempted Suicide at Telkom Offices, Pretoria. A man armed with a firearm and was upset about the non-payment of his salary, entered the Telkom Distribution offices where he worked and took a number of people hostage. The hostage negotiators and 21 members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the scene. After prolonged negotiations, all the hostages were released but the man refused to surrender and threatened to take his own life. The Special Task Force were still in position and ready to take action while the negotiations with the man continued. While the negotiations were taking place, the man decided, without warning, to move to another office. The man was overwhelmed in the passage after his attention had been drawn by a stun grenade and he was disarmed. Neither the man or the people who disarmed him were injured in the incident. 15 June 1994 – Rescue Operation Salu Building, Pretoria. 28 members of the Special Task Force raced to the city center to assist with a rescue operation. A building with a number of floors was on fire and personnel working in the building above the floors which were on fire, were trapped. Members of the Special Task Force, SAPS Air Wing and SA Air Force using helicopters rescued people from the top of the building. Other members used roping equipment to evacuate the trapped people to safety. Only a small number of people were treated for minor burns and smoke inhalation. 1 March 1995 – Hostage Situation Bella Vista, Johannesburg. A man took his fiancee and her little daughter hostage after a family dispute. The hostage negotiators and six members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the scene. During negotiations, the man continually held a knife against the throat of his fiancee and also sodomised her in the presence of her daughter. The child was also ill-treated by the man while his fiancee had to watch. A tactical release of the hostages was the only way out. One member of the Special Task Force was employed as a sniper and during the tactical release of the hostages, the man was fatally wounded. A firearm was found in the room where the man had held the woman and child hostage. 27 November 1995 – Kidnapping and Hostage Situation, Vereeniging. The Intelligence Service and CID of Secunda and Vereeniging requested the assistance of the Special Task Force in an operation to locate the whereabouts of a man who had been kidnapped and was being held hostage. Information at hand was that the man had been kidnapped by 3 men and was being held hostage in a Daleside, Vereenigng house. 9 members of the Special Task Force were made available for the operation and the kidnapped man was released uninjured during a tactical release. All three men were arrested without a single shot being fired. 5 fire-arms which had been used by the hostage takers were seized. 6 August 1995 – Hostage Situation Hollywood Café, Sunnyside. A man fleeing from the SAPS on 6 August 1995, took a woman hostage in the Hollywood Café, Esselen Street, Sunnyside. The Special Task Force was summoned to the scene by Radio Control after which the hostage taker was arrested and the hostage tactically released. The man was found guilty of armed robbery, kidnapping, pointing of a firearm and possession of an unlicensed firearm. 24 to 25 February 1995 – Hostage Situation, St Albans Prison – Port Elizabeth. 22 members of the Special Task Force were summoned to St Alban's Prison, Port Elizabeth where approximately 105 prisoners had taken a prison warder as hostage. During the night of 24 – 25 February 1995, after prolonged negotiations the prison warder was released after a tactical release lasting 20 seconds. One hostage taker was fatally wounded. One injured and the other prisoners were arrested. The hostage was released without injuries. Two firearms and a M26 hand grenade were seized after the operation. 12 August 1996 – Hostage Situation 34 Baccus Street, Irene. On 12 August 1996 a man took a year old baby hostage at 34 Baccus Street, Irene. The Special Task Force deployed 21 members to the scene. During negotiations, snipers were deployed in the vicinity. The snipers observed that the man held the baby in front of him with a knife to its throat all the time. The hostage taker only moved a curtain occasionally to see what was going on outside, but never let go of the baby. Negotiations which had lasted a long time did not succeed and it was decided on a tactical release of the baby by members of the Special Task Force. During the tactical release, both snipers fired simultaneously, fatally wounding the hostage taker. The baby was safely released without any injuries. 22 May 1997 – Hostage Situation Nando's, Johannesburg. Three robbers trying to rob Nando's on the corner of Cromhout and Kimberley Streets, Johannesburg were cornered by members of the SAPS Johannesburg after being alerted by members of the public. The robbers took the employees of Nando's hostage. A gun-battle between the robbers and the SAPS took place during which two members of the SAPS were wounded. 19 members of the Special Task Force were deployed. During the release of the hostages, the three robbers were wounded and arrested. No members of the public were injured. 25 June 2006 – The Jeppestown Massacre, Jeppestown, central Johannesburg. After a robbery, 23 robbers were followed by a police helicopter to a safe house. 4 SAPS members were murdered and 8 robbers were killed in the siege before the remaining 15 gang members surrendered. Members of the Special Task Force were deployed to assist the SAPS in ending the siege. 10 August – 20 September 2012 – Marikana Miners' Strike, Rustenburg. Members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the Lonmin owned mine in the Marikana area after 2 police official, 2 security guards and 4 miners were murdered by striking miners between 12 and 14 August. On 16 August, after storming police forces with traditional weapons and small arms, 34 miners were shot dead by SAPS members and another 78 miners were injured. This became known as the Marikana Massacre. 24 November 2012 – Protea Coin cash compound, Robertsville, western Johannesburg. At around 17:00, the Task Force confronted a group of 20 heavily armed cash in transit robbers in a foiled robbery, after the robbers were cornered and opened fire on the members of the Task Force, they returned fire killing 7 and wounding 9 of the robbers. None of the Task Force members were injured in the shootout. ↑Jump back a section Recruitment and training Prospective members have to be at least 21 years old and must have served at least two years in the South African Police Service. The volunteer must also show certain personal traits such as: maturity leadership skills sound judgment. All Task Force applicants are volunteers and have to comply with stringent physical requirements before being admitted to the basic training and selection course. The basic training course is twenty-six weeks long and includes weapons, rural and urban combat as well as basic parachute training courses. Compulsory advanced courses include special skills such as diving, VIP protection, explosives and medical training. The total initial training period is nine months, but completing all the requisite advanced courses to become a full-fledged Special Task Force operational member may last up to three years.[1] Although membership of the Special Task Force open to both male and female SAPS members, female operatives undergo a separate selection course" 1 Like
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 10:26pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
andrewza: I only came out of hibernation to reply this ignorant post by @andrewza. Let me school you a little on the nigerian mission in mali. First your claim of nigerian troops not seeing action in mali is preposterous, and signals another low for you( how low can you go really?). Even before AFISMA troops deployed to mali formally, a malian general was quoted as saying , nigerian special forces and senegalese troops were on the ground assisting their malian counterparts. In mali, nigerian troops in full are deployed in the following regions: banamba (main nigerian base) Diabaly Lere Mali-mauritania border Timbucktu Gao (special forces) In timbucktu and diabaly, nigerian troops engaged terrorists multiple times in combat I've got photos showing aftermath of fighting between nigerian troops and terrorists. In Gao, nigerian special forces had been hunting for boko-haram elements. No general claimed boko-haram had been defeated. The group since the SOe was declared has been severely crippled, the essence sending special forces to GOA was to continue the hunt for militants who train in mali, launch attacks in nigeria and flee again to mali. So, the COAS was correct when he said troops had been deployed to hunt down internal enemies in mali. As regards to withdrawal, you do not deploy the largest contingent( only behind france) in-terms of men and equipment to a mission, then to have you general side-tracked. Nigeria deployed = 1200 men ( a battalion +) = 2 MI-35p and 1 MI-24 ( 3 helicopters) = 4 fighter jets = 2 C-130's = 1 G-222 = hundreds of AFV's, APC's, gun trucks etc etc = included ( MI-35 helicopter crews for the airforce of mali) To have all that equipment/men handed over to a rawandan to command. No way, that's impossible. We are coming home with our equipment. 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 10:35pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
andrewza:Seleka means "alliance" in some CAR language,it is a combination of different rebel groups. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 10:44pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Henry120:Yes,such obsolete military hardware need to be commanded by a "expert General". And do "double face mon.keys hibernate" in Nigeria,during "summer"? |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 10:59pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Mike..ZA: Your father is a filthy hiv ridden animal . |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 11:31pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
agaugust: This was planed. Has they were climing over the wall they were entering a killing field. They only did it once. There was all so fighting out side the walls but the base was not located in a defenbil poststion so was held only has long has needed. And yes the base was surronded by a strong force. Who then requested a cease fire. The base was not there mission and takeing it would have been costly and pointless. Hence they called a cease fire and by passed the base. The heavest fighting did not actualy take place at the base. Not one of her defenders were lost. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 11:36pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Henry120: It a fact that france and chad saved malil. If nigeria did nothing the out come would have been the same. And now you pulling out. I never said your genrail said BH was deafted I said people from this forum did. Malil is falure for nigeria you just don't relize it. You took to long to deploy and over streched your forces at home. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:02am On Jul 24, 2013 |
andrewza: seleka is no fool to keep jumping over your base wall and keep getting killed like flies and mosquitoes. they will throw hand grenades over your walls before they enter and tripod stand their GPMG on the wall and spray the inside before they jump in. you are the one that said their commanders has military training in chad, or they forgot how to fight war when they got to your base ?  the entrance gate to south african base or the side walls will collapse with a dozen 105mm far range armour piercing bazooka rockets fired by seleka from 2km away. fool yourself, dont try to fool the rest of us here |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:05am On Jul 24, 2013 |
andrewza: who cares about Mali anymore ? is it nigerians' fatherland or motherland ? is Mali a state in nigerian territory ? do you know the meaning of the word run away ? if you dont understand english can i help you translate the word run into afrikaans ? why should nigeria waste its time, money, equipment, and risk the lives of our soldeirs helping a country that is UN member and now get insulted by being put under command a less capable military grade Rwandan army general by the western powers ? dominating UN ? all those american and NATO countries are a pack of arrogant colonialists who like to mess up african nations that are powerful like nigeria since when did mali become nigerian's fatherland and motherland for us to sit down there and be insulted ? Rwandan general to command nigerian armed forces ? Rwanda has no single jet fighter and that general has never seen a BTR-3U at home in his career talk less of a drone UAV, he never trained in israel, USA, germany, china, britain ,italy like the nigerian generals. the rwandan man is from the same genocidal army generals league that m.urderd hundreds of thousands of people in Rwanda, and he has been known as an indisciplined officer in missions and has been punished for bad conduct. you too can put all your south african army and air force in congo DRC under a burundi army general to be commanding you in congo DRC. why did your south africa not go back to CAR ? why did you decide you have a right not to stay in CAR where you were not wanted ? nigeria is not the first country to pull out of a UN intervention force for good reasons. nigeria did not go to mali to eat up the poorer country's mineral resources the way south africa did in CAR and is doing now in congo DRC. nigeria went to help, but if mali cannot tell UN to respect nigeria, we will leave them to their destiny. only a fool like you will sit down in another man's house where he is giving you insults. nigeria is not a fool that gets kicked around like south africa whose president zuma bowed down for his sons age mate obama. nigeria knows its level in the world arena of nations, but you south africans cannot find yours . |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by sambos994(m): 12:17am On Jul 24, 2013 |
andrewza: I used to think you were the most sensible among your SA comrades. Guess i'm wrong. 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:55am On Jul 24, 2013 |
sambos994: @andrewza's many attempts to cover up and wipe out the seleka vs south african army defeat embarrassment made him become the opposite of what he used to be. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 7:04am On Jul 24, 2013 |
agaugust:Let me get this you claim NATO and the USA are a bunch of "arrogant colonialists",yet you're proud that your Generals are trained by this countries?. And I told you this before that the Rwandan General will give your battalion mission orders for him to execute,his not gonna be the one flying "your obsolete jets". The SANDF members under the FIB won't be commanded by a "Burundi General",the FIB will be under the command of a Tanzanian Brigadier General. Nigerian armed forces wanna "act big boy",acting like don't need help from the west. Yet you buy their used equipment,get their training,send your boys abroad for training? |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 7:08am On Jul 24, 2013 |
agaugust: Yes answer your own question. Why did they let that soldier go after he helped butcher 100's of Seleka? Seleka regarded South African troops as mercenaries, meaning they had no issue killing us. They let him go because that was OUR condition of the ceasefire THEY came to us with. If there was no ceasefire each and every South African would eventually have been killed. But the Seleka commander knew he would have lost too many men in the process. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GidiNaijaPikin: 7:24am On Jul 24, 2013 |
Mike..ZA: And what has that got to do with my own comment? |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 7:31am On Jul 24, 2013 |
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31287:seeker-400-to-fly-in-october--denel&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107  Denel Dynamics’ Seeker 400 unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) will fly in October this year, but possibly earlier, the company has confirmed. Jan Wessels, Denel Group Chief Operations Officer, told defenceWeb that ground testing is currently underway and that the first flight is officially planned for October this year, but may occur sooner. It was originally scheduled for last year, but was delayed due to contracting and certification issues. Denel’s annual report for the 2012/13 financial year also identifies “complexities with the key subsystems” as another reason for “significant variation in the programme schedule, including a delay of the maiden flight test.” Nevertheless, Denel said that “significant progress” has been made in the Seeker 400 development programme over the last year and that all hardware manufacturing is completed with system integration underway. In its annual report, Denel said the projects attached to the development of the Seeker 400 accounted for revenue of R89 million during the last financial year, with investment of R60 million in the Seeker 400. The Seeker 400 was displayed in mock-up form at the 2010 Africa Aerospace and Defence exhibition. It has an endurance of 16 hours and can be armed with two Mokopa air-to-surface missiles, with a 10 km range. It is able to carry two payloads at the same time, including electro-optical/infrared and radar as well as laser rangefinder and illuminator for target designation. Denel says an electronic surveillance payload is available for the detection and location of radar emitters. Future upgrades will include satellite communications, and sense-and-avoid capability in order to obtain civil aviation certification. Currently, the Seeker 400 has a range of 250 km, because it uses only line-of-sight communications, but it could be upgraded to use satellite communications, which would allow it to operate at much greater ranges. With the use of the existing tactical ground station (TGS), the range may be extended to 750 km. Denel Dynamics is executing a production contract for the UAV’s launch customer (which previously operated the Seeker I) and has also attracted strong interest from other potential clients, with most demand expected to come from the Middle East, Southeast Asia and South America. Denel is promoting the Seeker 400 to Seeker II customers, as the new UAV can be flown with Seeker II control stations. Hopefully the SANDF will order a few of these systems now that UAV's are being used more and more.  |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 7:51am On Jul 24, 2013 |
GidiNaijaPikin:Did you hear your Olesegun,was given a boat or denied to observe the Zimbabwe elections? Ask what this comment has to do with you again LOL,I guess you're ashamed to be Nigerian. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:08am On Jul 24, 2013 |
Pictures from Land Forces Africa 2013     1 Like |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Donian007: 8:11am On Jul 24, 2013 |
Mike..ZA:LOL! "Expert General", Major General Jean Bosco Kazura? Plz Plz Plz LMAO. JEEEZE! |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Donian007: 8:17am On Jul 24, 2013 |
Donian007: This is the moment all those who were talking nonsense about our withdrawal should bow their heads in shame. While one m.oron said we pulled out because we are incapable he was ignorant of the facts sorrounding our AFISMA operations and refused to learn. Another m.oron was even insinuating that Nigeria didn't get the top job because of "Baga" but unknowingly showed he understood the reasons sorrounding our withdrawal yet went on with his senseless arguements. That said, it is indeed clear that Nigeria has redefined her self in international activities, her policies have been too strong for oppressors. She has shown her long reserved ability to shun any group or organisation that tries to take her for granted. Nigeria is not the author of Mali's fall, but cannot exempt herself in the fight to raise Mali up again as there are facts which revealed that Nigerian and Senegalese Special Forces were involved alongside French and Malian forces at the start of the fight to push out rebels beforce AFISMA deployed. Even her(Nigeria) is not free from insurgencies but have shown maturity and ability to bring them down and has achieved unimaginable success, flawing the propaganda by some local and foreign media all in a bid to tarnish her image, sometimes we wonder if these media work in synergy with these terrorist. However the recent turn of events at the UN concerning MINUSMA PKO, has pushed Nigeria closer to the wall and she has responded with a little slap reserving a more deadly blow to teach the UN a little lesson. Indeed the UN has no clear excuse to bring in a Rwandan general who himself has questionable character in Rwanda, if the UN ever canvassed for credible, responsible and disciplined officers for its missions then surely it has shot itself on the foot because Major Gen. Kazura is not a good choice. Thisdaylive in that report even indicates that Nigeria's Major Gen. Abdulkadir came tops in the examinations for MINUSMA command but was sidelined, indeed it is unfortunate that the UN is losing it all. Therefore Nigeria is no more comfortable with the politics the UN is playing, from Sierra Leone, Liberia and Sudan conflicts, Nigeria has done a lot to bring peace but these kind gestures are been taken for granted. Indeed Nigeria has awaken and "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" she has vowed. The UN has indeed flawed. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Donian007: 8:19am On Jul 24, 2013 |
Donian007: ATTENTION: NIGERIA SHUNS AND PETITIONS UNITED NATIONS, WITHDRAWS TROOPS IN PROTEST www.vanguardngr.com/2013/07/troops-withdrawal-from-mali-nigeria-petitions-ban-ki-moon-un-sec-gen/ www.thisdaylive.com/articles/real-reason-why-nigeria-is-withdrawing-troops-from-mali/153930/ THE TRUTH! |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GidiNaijaPikin: 8:31am On Jul 24, 2013 |
Mike..ZA: A weak attempt to digress/derail from the SANDF failures around Africa. An idi.ot of your calibre will keep looking for mud to sling around each time you come across a Nigerian. Your story is as irrelevant as the leprous fingers that typed them! Who are the Pan African Forum? A group of Kenya-based attention seekers? Of what impact do their views have on the superior and well-informed decision of AU Heads of States that chose Obasanjo to be the Chief Observer of the Zimbabwean elections? SADC cannot be trusted by AU to be impartial hence they ignored your Thabo Mbeki ... so don't come here peddling stupid irrelevancies! I am a Nigerian and will fly my Green White Green colours proudly for life!! That's why you'll always remain GREEN with envy!! 3 Likes |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:41am On Jul 24, 2013 |
agaugust: The leathal blast raidacy of a grenade is about 15m. SA solders were a lot farther away and in a forfied postion. Grenades would achieve nothing, blind firing a MG would all so do nothing and aiming would expose the shooter. You assume they had all those wepaons with them. And you do know shooting a wall with a HEAT or AP round does very littel damge to it. There is is a vedieo on youtube of US solders blasting away at a building with those rounds and it acheived nothing. You don't actualy under stand war. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GidiNaijaPikin: 10:35am On Jul 24, 2013 |
andrewza: I find it hard to understand your level of idiocy especially when you claim to serve in the South African Navy!! We saw the walls and gates of the so called SANDF base and I can tell that ordinary grenades could have brought down entire sections of the cement/sand block walls. Look again at the picture with the Seleka fighters standing in front of the zinc sheet gate of SANDF's abandoned base ... then tell me how impregnable the base was! Nonsense!! 1 Like |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 11:19am On Jul 24, 2013 |
GidiNaijaPikin: You have never seen a grenade explode have you. It not even a qustion I know you have never seen one explode due to this ignorant post. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GidiNaijaPikin: 12:15pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
andrewza: You seem to fancy your stup.idity a lot!! |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Fynline(m): 12:56pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
SF training 4 Likes
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:08pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
 andrewza: who said AP or HEAT ? ordinary RPG with HE will tear a wall into pieces. types of rounds is common knowledge on Wikipedia and nothing technical. Seleka is no fool. [size=16pt]can someone help us convert south african military academies to police academies ? [/size] El Salvador RPGs were a main tool used by the FMLN's guerrilla forces in the Salvadoran Civil War. For example, during the June 19, 1986 overrun of the San Miguel Army base, FMLN sappers dressed only in black shorts, their faces blacked out with grease, sneaked through barbed wire at night, avoiding the searchlights, they made it to within firing range of the outer wall. Using RPGs to initiate the attack, they blew through the wall and killed a number of Salvadorean soldiers. They eliminated the outermost sentries and searchlights with the rockets, then made it into the inner wall, which they also punched through. They were then able to create mayhem as their comrades attacked from the outside. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket-propelled_grenade |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:42pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
saengine: Pictures from Land Forces Africa 2013 Do you have any idea, if Land forces africa conference has began? |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:10pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
andrewza: The main reason the nigerian COAS deployed troops to mali was to hunt down boko-haram elements. That is the reason the COAS gave. The deployment of troops for AFISMA(main) was only secondary. For the primary mission, nigeria succeeded. I'm not going to post details of a classified mission, just because I want to buttress my point or fill your curiosity. It took nigeria only 4 days to deploy 270 troops and 66 NAF (QRF). If you call that long, that's your own wahala. Nigeria's mission to mali isn't a failure. we deployed appropriately the right amount of men and machine to prosecute a mission anywhere in the world. we showed commitment to the malian government and people. That is what is important. The fact that the french and chadians played major roles in mali, is irrelevant to nigeria's overall contribution and commitment to build mali. Like I had earlier stated, nigerian troops in mali saw significant action. We were deployed in timbucktu, diabaly, mali-mauritania border region, lere and banamba. Keep deceiving yourself. The Nigerian army is far from over-stretched. The nigerian army between 2011-2013 has recruited over 16,000 personnel. 3 Likes |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:59pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
GidiNaijaPikin: Yea, @andrewza does fancy s.tupidy as a new favorite pastime. I agree with you bro |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 5:01pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
Henry120: http://tribune.com.ng/sat/index.php/news/8182-security-challenges-the-army-is-overstretched-says-goc.html Security Challenges: The Army Is Overstretched, Says GOC | Print | E-mail Written by Adelowo Oladipo, Minna Saturday, 04 August 2012 Share THE General Officer Commanding 1st Mechanised Division of the Nigerian Army, Kaduna, Major General Garba O. Wahab, has admitted that the army is being overstretched by the prevailing security situation in the country, following its involvement in the internal security operations to counter the current wave of terrorism in the country. |
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