Henry120:


More like at the ratio of 9 pilots to 26 Gripens.

15 years and counting.........

Mikeczar, why does the SAAF have so few pilots for a paltry 26 planes after 15 years?

How many F-7NI's crashed in the last 5years.

agaugust:


You are 90% likely to be a South African trying to receive us here, look at your moniker, name dacostaANG, why right ANG ? Trick to receive us that you are ANGOLAN....fail !

Your style is South African...DictatorZAR, MikeZAR....you dacostaZAR ;

Thats why you carelessly said SAAF old model Gripen jet is better than Russian air force latest 2014 Su-30 SM Flanker jet.

You think we are fools here ?

Olodo
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The only one deceiving people is you. Why are you threatened by my presence on this forum is it because your country has an inferior air force compared to my beloved Angola. What's wrong with you homezinho. I'm honored that you think I'm a SA citizen while your other fellow call me a "portugese" crop duster Oooops!!! "crop sprayer" mechanic.

There is no 2014 Russian produced SU-30 only India and China currently has licensed production lines for there SU-30MKI and J-11 respectively.

The SU-30's is a great 3rd gen + fighter but it was built to counter the F-16 and F-18's used by predominantly Western powers. But it no longer holds an edge, that's why Russia is focusing on SU-35's to counter the growing threat of the F-22, F-35(still in development), Gripen Jas39C/NG, Eurofighter and lastly the Rafale.

Since you dream so much can you explain why India the second largest user of the SU-30's outside Russia is currently opting to buy 126 Rafale fighters.

EVarn:
do i look portuguese to you?

Homenzinho mesquinho

Earn:
loll ain't Queen Elizabeth,rather,I am Prince Leonard Earn,
Ok,thanks for admitting that you only have the elementary skill of tinkering around with crop dusters,what are you doing arguing about the capabilities of a fighter jet?,when did a mechanic become an Aeronautics specialist?.
"keep your rage to yourself"?,whatever gave you the idea that i was raging?,please go and learn english in Naming before coming here to spray bullets

You are such a petty little man.

EVarn:
"not on the same level"?,of course we arent on the same level,you cant compare ordinary angola with Nigeria.
Man,you cant even write in fluent coherent english,i know that you emerged from a portugese colony,but damn!,you murder english more than a russian illiterate.
Do you think that you are discussing with novices here?
you service planes in real life?,yeah right,we are talking about fighter jets here,not crop sprayers.

Ok for a guy who speaks about others murdering English yet they can't even spell Portuguese correctly you are very funny. On the plane issue we call them crop dusters you I.d.iot.


You Nigerians think you are the centre of Africa.

Nigeria don't even have a air superiority aircraft in service as we speak yet you call Angola ordinary.

Relax please english is not my preferred means of communication but don't ever think you're dealing with a fool here. Keep your rage to yourself and go educate yourself before trying to act like Queen Elizabeth.

agaugust:


You have no technical facts or expert opinion to counter my points, so you avoid the debate. Cool , really cool.

See the part of your post I bolded above, my post forced you to swallow your words, you said yesterday that Gripen C/D is better than the upgraded Indian Su-30 MKI and the latest Russian Su-30 SM Flanker.

Only a poorly informed man will stand in a public military debate and say that a Gripen with weak maneuverability, poor combat radius, small payload, 120 km radar, is better than a Su-30 MKI with super maneuverability, very long combat radius, heavy payload, 400 km radar.

You too just look at yourself and see the rubbish comparison and conclusion you made, then you come here and say you work close to air force pilots, you think we are fools here?

No insult intended, but match your mouth power with brain power and avoid trapping yourself with errors my brother.

I now suspect you are a South African pretending to be Angolan, can you speak Portuguese?

I don't trust you !
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So my friend what you saying I should agree with what you are saying here or else I'm a South African. No offense but you are a crazy guy.

We are not on the same level, you deal with myths and fantasies while I service planes in real live.

On the Portuguese issue if I were you I would leave that one aside because I'm not going on the usual african inferiority syndrome of resorting to culture/clan when someone has a disagreement with you.

In the meantime I'm fascinated by your broad imagination.

MikeCZAR:
How many Sukhois are delivered so far?

Twelve already been delivered.

agaugust:


Patriotism?

I post technical facts not patriotism.

Bros, sorry to say you are jumping into a forum with a thread that has almost 2,000 pages . Do you know what we have discussed here in the past 5 years of this same topic? No, you don't.

You have too many leaking holes in your above comment. Does Angola have any air force pilot with air to air combat experience? Have you worked with any combat experienced jet fighter pilot before? Be honest.

Well, I have ex-USAF pilots working in my office, they have shot down enemy jet fighters before in combat.

Last year on this forum, I posted a report from an American jet fighter test pilot who proved that in close range air to air combat, the 3.5 generation jets and the 4 generation jets are both going to die together in combat if pilot skills are equal.

Reason is that you have only about 10 seconds to make decisions when missiles speed to k.ill at 3,000 km per hour and the enemy launch jet is within visual range just 20 km away from you! Sudden death!

There is something in air to air combat technically called NO ESCAPE ZONE....you enter that close range, you both die.

Now you say SAAF Gripen C/D is better than Su-30 MKI of India? Big error!

The Su-30MKI radar range is 400 km against the weaker Gripen radar range of 120 km. Dude, I don't know you but you sound like a comedian.

In WVR combat, the Su-30MKI has vector thrusting capability which is totally missing on Gripen . The supermaneuverability of the Su-30 gives dogfight superiority for missile evasion and gun fight edge, it will kill the poorly maneuverable Gripen.

Your other mistake is that you limited air combat to just the machines, you omitted pilot skill, previous combat experience, and pilots intelligence or sense and speed of judgement/decision making.

Also you said the old Gripen of South Africa is better than the latest Su-30 Flanker, I just pity you, the latest version is Su-30SM of Russia and it is built to challenge the F-22 Raptor, it switches off radar and uses long range Video TV camera to detect and attack stealth jet fighters that are invisible to radar. You don't even know about Su-30SM, try ask questions when you don't understand things.

Dude, you need more than one head to take on Nigerians, the South Africans here can show you all their bruises and wounds they have suffered in this slaughter house
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My friend it seems the USAF pilot you spoke to never completed he's training because he himself needs to use he's brain before he gives you wrong info.

I don't want to insulting you on this forum but I must say your arguments are more then of point and borders on the level of fantasies bro.

I can only but laugh at your post. I'm not going to respond at this moment because I think you should do your research and be truthful to yourself, your fellow countryman including the SA guys.

Until you've seen the SU-30 and the Gripen live in either a air show or in simulated combat I suggest you should rather not write the half truths above.

saengine:



Let me be honest with you. If you want real answers, and a good honest debate.....dont waste your time on this forum. I mean someone has already answered you and managed to sneak this in...."Gripen is on par with F-7". Don't know how clued up you are on the matter, but thats the quality of answer you're going to get.



"ON PAR" WITH

I work in the aviation industry but I have a air force background and got my training as a technician in the air force. So I consider myself quit clued up on aviation matters, but we all learn and gain insight from discussions.

But truly speaking some of the comments on this forum really cracks me up.

agaugust:


In WVR combat of short range missiles, everybody dies at the same rate because, pilots are too close and missiles will hit targets in 10 seconds. Forget maneuverability if your pilots are not trained to exercise superior split second judgement and decision making. NAF has a modern and deadly PL-9 missile with 90% kill probability.

The advantage of the Su-30 in WVR combat will only come in a gun fight with aircraft cannon after both sides have finished wasting their missiles with ECM like flares and chaff self defences. Then your Su-30 will defeat an F-7 with better Su-30 maneuverability, it will also beat the South African Gripen jet because of the Gripen's poor maneuverability that is on par with the F-7. The Gripen is no good without BVR missiles and the South Africans have NO single BVR missile.

I will rank air to air combat capability thus :

1. Angola
2. Nigeria & South Africa
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My brother I'm not here to boost my country's ego or to play games by claiming untruth's. There are a lot of falsehoods in your statements above.

1) There's no such thing as we both die in air combat if opposing forces only engage each other with short range missiles
a) the generation of aircraft needs to be considered
b) the avionic suit.
c) type of missile
d) jammering and radar systems
e) training and experience of the pilots.

All these facts will determine the out come of a dog fight between aircraft concerned.

2)The SAAF Gripen overall is better then the most current versions of the SU-30 even better then the SU-30MKI the only down side of the SAAF Gripen's are the lack of BVR but there onboard missile detection systems more then makes up for there absence of a dedicated BVR.


3) The PL-9 is an inferior missile compared to the IRST missile system.

In conclusion I see no way that any of your statements can be true in the modern world of 4th gen aircrafts. We must learn to put our patty patriotism aside.

jl115:

F-7 has absolutely 0% chance in a visual range dog fight, as for BVR i cant comment as im not sure which BVR missiles Angola poses.

We lack BVR capability.


I know a Russian system will be evaluated in the next 2 years including upgrades for canards on our SU-30's.

I wanna start of by comparing current Air power of Angola, South Africa, Nigeria.

First of all I would like to ask my brothers from Nigeria if there air force has the capability to take Angola on in a dogfight between SU-30K's vs F-7 currently in service of our respective nations.

Hi, I stumbled across this site by chance and I must say there are some interesting views here.

I would love to express my view here especially with regards to air and naval power if its possible.

I'm from Angola so I would focus more on a Southern African(SADC).

Thanks.