Another sexist topic posted by men to turn women into slave housewives. He tells women to change instead of telling everyone to cook and learn for themselves. Im sure more than 95 percent of people reading here do not have a father that cooks for them or mother who works while the father is taking care of the grown-up children, because he cannot find a job they have many older children. What about cooking to impress your girlfriend/wife? Is that not an option? Are you less of a man for doing that? Please, leave your prejudice at home and if you want to tell someone what to do, apply it to yourself.

You do NOT have any arguments to say women are dumb. All the social/structural reasons are clearer. Women are physically weaker than men, and that's a fact. And you have lost this argument and state the same and get bored, possibly because you are to stubborn and do not want to accept a more factual view. Hope you come to accept it after some time.

Borrussia:
*Yawns* Same recurring proves.

I think I'll retire from here, still afresh in my mind that women are dumb and only few, I mean very few of them stood their grounds and defended their ago, looking pass the very obvious and peculiar facts. Romance section girls are exclusively not intelligent at all, only vickybee and mzchiam provided a point(though baseless).

That is So true! However, I'm a man and I can tell you I am much better at holding stupid conversations than intelligent ones !

kandiikane:
This topic does not make sense at all. You are talking of Africa where majority of women are brought up in settings that does not allow the same exposures that men have growing up. The topics up for discussion would not be the same, it does not mean women are less knowledgeable or less intelligent, just that each gender is knowledgeable in different fields. If more women are exposed to the same things as men, the interests will be the same. When the women are in the kitchen cooking for the house, the men are in the sitting room watching football, how do you expect women to have interests in football? If a girl was sat with a boy amongst men discussing news or politics, who will they send to go do errands? The young girl. Girls are told to keep quiet when they put mouth in male conversations, with statements like, "what do you know?" she would probably be called lazy. Those who even have knowledge in such mostly do not sit to discuss it.

Question is, how can you be knowledgeable in politics or football when you are busy learning how to make a home or learning how to be a "slave" to a man you have not yet met?

The same way more men are knowledgeable in politics is the same way women are more knowledgeable in fashion or whatever you say they gossip about. They all impact the world just in different ways. The topic can go both ways. Intelligence is not by discussing topics men normally chit chat and scream their heads off over(that is mostly what these so-called intelligent male conversations are. Men sat somewhere, drinking and screaming about who will win what.
I know many men who are not interested in politics or football, yet you won't see anyone saying they cannot hold intelligent conversations. Your interests in politics or football does not make you intelligent.

That is beyond obvious. Women do not have equal opportunities in Nigeria. This is more problematic in the North and much less so in Lagos. And please, remember that the North is part of Nigeria.

micktoxin:

May I ask what the argument is? Are people denying women have equal opportunities in Nigeria? If they are, then we have a serious problem.

I agree that you have not understood me properly.

The role of women was the same old role for most of the world till the beginning of the 20th century, and mass education for white (and Japanese) women till university started in the 1950s. Before then, there were some cases of women studying, but they were anecdotal.

Before that, white men thought women should not receive a proper education so if these things started to change only a couple of decades before independence, and the white men did not care much about education in general and only educated the few Nigerians they needed to run their empire, it is easy to see why the very few who got an education continued these kind of values (which were in keeping with the old values of women taking care of children and producing a lot of them)

Borrussia:
Dany87, you kept emphasising on the fact that women just got exposed to certain stuffs, when did the white men brought along education to Nigeria precisely; do you mean to say Males are the only peoples the white men educated in Nigeria?

Cos I don't seem to get you, you're myopic to the fact that you're reading an article even though its so obvious that it is pure fallacy. However, both males and females were educated ever since it was a seed in Nigeria.

I think you might be right here. This is a very complex matter, the highest levels of intelligence represent a very low percentage of the population, and many times high intelligence in some areas means that you might be an idiot savant (very few women are autistic or idiot savants compared to men, or if they are their symptoms are much less severe). I think you are raising very interesting issues here. Obviously, the fact that we see these effects in tiny parts of the population do not apply to the majority of the population.

micktoxin:

I think it's the same old argument why women prefer social courses to sciences courses. Different interest and all that. The same argument could be made of women superior language skills to men (on average).
It is very complex to determine which of the sexes (Never mind in Nigeria) are more intelligent as shown In 2012, when women scored an higher average IQ test than men. Although in the high range, my own observation to date is that at or above the 98th percentile there are about twice more males than females, while at or above the 99.9th percentile there are about 15 times more males. These estimates are based on the male/female ratios in certain high I.Q.

Until we can accurately measure intelligence then we might not get the full picture.

All these women are but a small percentage of the total population of women and most of them may have circles of friends who could not go to uni and have the old mindset. It is explained in one of my older posts

missclasssy:


How about in a university setting where everyone is given a free platform for education?

Ok, let's start reading wikipedia and for further research go to google scholar. Equal opportunity is not even true in the most developed countries (old men occupy most executive officer positions and other main positions in most companies in the world, due to the very few women who got degrees when they entered university). There are many disadvantages for women to get an education in Nigeria. It seems you do not see what is expected of women in this country, especially in the north. Even the existence of widespread femal genital mutilation in the North is a sign of women's cultural disadvantage. It is puzzzling Nigerian men do not know anything about this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_education_in_Nigeria

wristwatch:


I don't agree with this pls. Everybody have equal opportunity nowadays.

That is certainly untrue. Men also discuss trivial topics, and please read our past posts. On average, women are less educated for cultural and social reasons, so it's easy to see why they would talk about appearance, since they were not allowed to have a propera education and need to marry someone who can maintain her. Read the last three or four pages instead of posting something at the last page please

wristwatch:
Missclasssy let me do some analysis for you to understand okay.

1. Great minds discuss Idea, Idle minds discuss People:

Men rarely discuss on their counterparts wearing dolce and gabana, fashion line, shoe, etc but women eh! Dey gossip our Annie putting on a short skirt, etc.

Imagine if the 3 wise men were 3 wise women

2. Ladies are into business of scamming magas and developed their skills into gold digging investment

They reason like hen where they are expecting the poor soul cock to toast them and cater for their needs.

3. They only think of wedding their dream man as the best achievement.

4. They have extremely lazy and reason like coconut.

5. They read silly magazines, watch slow poke tv channels and hang out with un reasonable friends.

It is changing because of many reasons: the progressive industrialization of the country, the influence of modern media, more education (30 years ago, the literacy gap between men and women was much higher), the discovery of oil certainly helps. All these factors interact with eacth other in complex ways, reinforcing themselves.There are many reasons why the world advances, we just need to make it happen as fast as possible here ^^.

Borrussia:
Okay why is it changing now, why are they fighting for what they could have fought for years ago, the fact that ladies have acquired little knowledge doesn't mean we are on the same par with you. "The nose is distant to the head" as yoruba's would say.

You provide a statement with no arguments supporting it. I explained why women did not invent all the things men invented. Please provide some arguments/reasons (if you can) or this statement will not be something credible.

Borrussia:
Malapropism of fallaciloquence. If males and females were to be placed on a juxtaposition in reasoning and academic field, the result will be handicapped

Well, tell me how women are going to have children without marrying and being able to pursue your career while having children. It is certainly very hard to do that if you are single. And if the woman married early (usually to a much older man), he might not want to help raising the children not only with money, but also doing part of the stuff at home. And tell that to your parents/family, who may not like that a woman does not stick to a more traditional lifestyle. It is much harder for a woman to have a professional career if they want to have children alone or get married in Nigeria.

Borrussia:
Nope, your assertions are duly wrong, you're toying with my feelings; prolly for me to pity the females with my lugubrious mien by stating that and it is a proven fact that men are usually MUCH stronger than women, and that is why they can beat them up, keep them at home and make them produce a lot of children if they choose to (which they did in the past).- this statement is a mere shearing of fallaciloquence and doesn't in anyway correlate to the fact that men are smarter. If a lady chooses not to marry and pursue her career instead, marriage can't be forced on her. And it is the duty of the females to make offsprings, that's what they are made for. So what are you telling me.

Oh no! That is not what I really think.

I do not think women are smarter in the sense that they are more intelligent than men. I've read some scientific studies which try to prove that there are differences in the kinds of intelligence women/men tend to have, and they suggested that women do better at verbal intelligence while men did better at spatial reasoning. However, these studies were very controversial and social influences since childhood can play a very big role here.

I tend to think that IF there are ANY differences between female and male intelligence (I do not think there is definite evidence for this), they are NOT GREAT, but very subtle, and you might find lots of women with more intelligence in areas where men are usually more intelligent, and vice versa.

Borrussia:
In as much as I'm unwilling to admit it, I must say you're the first person that provide to me what can be termed fact today.

But I have a question for you, since you feel females are smarter than males, could you prove a point to me, like provide proves.

You are perfectly entitled to have your own opinion. Neither of us have data to prove/disprove this, even though I disagree, I must say I do not really know the answer.

nonjebose:
The various definitions of smartness are not subjective,if you understand what they imply. Have you not seen couples,where the men are more fashionable than the women? Or you suppose elegance is the exclusive preserve of women? Besides,if your definition of smartness as being intelligence is considered,I strongly believe more women would rather live with very smart men with behavioural deficiencies than with unintelligent men with perfect manners,if attainable at all.

The number of men and women is fairly even Borussia, and it is a proven fact that men are usually MUCH stronger than women, and that is why they can beat them up, keep them at home and make them produce a lot of children if they choose to (which they did in the past).

When most children died at birth or before the age of five, a society that produced very few children might not survive as opposed to other more prolific societies, and that might have had something to do with the way all more primitive societies evolved.

Now that most children survive and there's technology in agriculture, keeping a woman having a ton of children without studying and producing knowledge or industrial products/ teaching, etc. does more harm than good to modern economies, and other countries will be ahead of us if we keep following these traditions.

Borrussia:
And I told you that 'domination' is a baseless fact, what else can be termed as intelligence apart from creativity. These are obvious facts that need not be reprimanded, don't make yourself unconvinced because of your egotheism.

Whereas, there is no law that says women shouldn't invent or partake in the intellectual stuffs regarding the society, if not that ya'll have accustomed yourself into thinking you are being stamped upon by the male folks. And your population is alarming, so much for claiming you're being 'dominated'

Please read our past posts instead of repeating the same information.

Women never had a chance to have an education in the past, the served a very important purpose that required most of their time:

1. Producing a lot of children and caring for them (in the past, most children died in their first years, so women had to have 7 or more so that at least two would survive and replace society). Now that the vast majority of children survive childhood, far less children (not much more than 2 children per woman) are needed to replace society, and modern technology allows us to devote less time to agriculture, were children were used intensively as well.

2. Men are stronger and can easily dominate women, and that is way they have always controlled most areas of science, technology, politics (areas that retain prestige and prominence) etc. until very recently (and they still control them, since old men born in the more patriarchal 1950s now control most areas in society). However, even under these circumstances there are many examples of female scientists/philosophers etc... (for more information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_scientists_before_the_21st_century#Antiquity)


That is why they have invented all these things, because they could and did NOT allow women to access their field.

Borrussia:
Who invented the matches you use in kitchens, stoves/gas cookers, pot, cars, fridges, law, security, drinks, bed, tv, bicycle, plane, clothes, houses, astrology, education, computers, phones and every other things we can't do without. Or do we not have female scientist and technician. What exactly has females done to help boosten the development of her country or are the males educated specially before inventing these things.?

I'd love to know.

Your own view of smartness is fairly subjective. I does not really have much to do with the topic of being knowledgeable or witty. If being smarter means being more elegant or any other positive characteristic, it becomes quite subjective whether a man would be smarter than a woman. That is truly more subjective than my own argument. Intelligence can be measured, and I do not think women always like to marry men more intelligen than them, if they have some nasty qualities as well.

nonjebose:
You need to be objective in your comparisons,questions and judgement. Re-read your earlier post and my response. Smartness is not only intelligence,but a combination of many other things which I have listed earlier. My partner is smart in many areas of smartness,and that is the reason why she feels that she is as smart as me. When you consider all things being equal,most ladies I have come across want men that are smarter than them. Don't bring in subjective conditions

Possibly, the influence of society as a whole affects all women, even those who can go to uni. Imagine, If you were the only girl in your area who had the chance to go to university, and all your female friends could not, do you think you would not be influenced by what your other female friends do and think? Only if you did not talk to them after going to uni and change your social circle of friends you could be able to get away from that to some degree. This is all very complex.

vfactor:


I do agree with you that the society hasn't helped women with regards to education. But i think the comparison is between and average Nigerian guy and girl who have both attended a university and obtained a degree. The question is, can you engage an average female graduate in conversations that ranges from politics to business, fashion to literature, history to current affairs, etc, and she gives her own contributions no matter how shallow it is?

I have met a couple of knowledgeable, intelligent and wonderful Nigerian ladies both online and offline and i hold them in high esteem. Ladies who would motivate you to be better. The same cannot be said for the majority i ve met.

I think you are quite right, and you are intelligent supporting her. The influence of this society is very strong, and changing old(and new) stereotypes is hard if they receive no support

honeric01:


This has nothing to do with where I work or where she works..

infact, I am suppose to be glued to csbc if its by where we work..

I think it has more to do the society.. the society encourages women to be narrow minded when it comes to general knowledge..

She's a guru in math and accounting but apart from stuffs connected to these two and maybe religion, entertainment + fashion yadayada, the rest are zeros..

she's picking up though because she can sense the gap and have started working on closing it.. funny enough, I contribute more into her interest (except math) than an average woman lolz.

AGAIN people saying that what they think is right because God says it (PROBABLY THEY THINK THE HAVE SPOKEN TO GOD HIMSELF/HERSELF). If God exists (not something that science has proved/disproved), I doubt he would come to speak to you so you could tell us what is right/wrong.

Thanks for your kind help, but I think I will stick to reason/science/rational arguments until God himself/herself comes and tells us what is right and wrong.

harrysteeze:
@OP , This is a very Controversial topic that will give rise to a lot of controversies which may not be controlled..
Well be4 I start..

1. First of all..Wisdom and knowledge comes from God.
2. Being knowledgeable and wise depends on both sexes and some factors..
3. To be continued....

So generally, Men are wiser and more knowledgeable than women but in the case of Nigeria, i think i will get back to you.... Thank You.

You have misinterpreted my statements. What I wanted to say is that the fact that you have married a less intelligent woman does not mean that is always the case. All things being equal, I'd rather marry a more intelligent woman who is kind and faithful over a less intelligent woman no matter how beatiful she might be. What do you ladies think? Would you marry a less intelligent man, who was faithful and not violent, over a man who cheated on you and beat you up but was more intelligent than you?

nonjebose:
My dear that piece is a response to a question asked on whether we are smarter than our mothers. Of course,there are women married to men they are smarter than. But I stand to be corrected that most women honestly prefer men that are smarter than them. Your statement on your preference only goes to support that this is not an anecdote

And this is a problem, because some of these women might invent something or bring an invaluable contribution to science, engineering/technology. We are losing all these valuable contributions letting discouraging them from being part of politics or higher learning in general, especially if they do not have the money to study abroad or in more female friendly environments

queensmith:


That may as well be true - if I was ignorant enough to use nairaland as a case study for Nigerian women I will likely assume the same.

I have already mentioned a few reasons why women will not engage in political debates here on NL (bullying) as well as why you are more likely to find them in Fashion, Family and Romance (cultures and traditions).

Theres another Nigerian forum I frequent (either Naijavillagesquare or lipstick alley) which are predominantly female and the posters will blow your mind. From my personal observations the Nigerian women i engage in comment sections of the guardian or the economist have been nothing short of amazing. This does not even include the Nigerians I went to university with or befriended in intra university social groups.

There are more Nigerian females than men (this is a fact) in most of my universities degree programms (this includes medicine, pharmacy and engineering) and theyre the highest black group in my unis alumnae. It's likely the OP hasn't gone out of her comfort zone to engage intelligent women or she simply isn't up to par to do so.

The fact we are still a mile away from having a female president speaks more of our political scene than it does the female populace, for one many doubt we will see an igbo president talkless of a female one. Equality in Nigeria isn't a measure of intelligence.

Male dominance in academics and business is a result of the oppression women experience til this day, I have said traditionally women are told to be submissive, once you have finished dumbing down the role of women in society we shoudn't be surprised they are unable to dominate worthier scenes. but if we take a sample of females and males and measure their outcomes you are 100% likely to find women are more intelligent as previous studies have taught us.

The posters assertions are a slap in the face of these facts and figures and a result of the male worshiping we find in Nigeria.

Where does she work? Is she a teacher? and where do you work? That might let us know a bit about the differences, which are cultural/social in many cases

honeric01:
Very true but wiser? relative..knowledgeable? YES.

When I want my lady to either leave on time or sleep off, I do 3 things

1: switch to al jazeera
2: switch to NATO wild

Or switch to discovery channel..

Guys, use this to test your various female friends/wife/sisters and post your result here.

and Why is that (only sane/logical reasons allowed, please do not use the Bible/Qur'an as a source of logical arguments)?

shinningstar:
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Well argued!! ^^ [quote author=Emdeejay post=32924636][/quote]

That piece of evidence is anecdotal. This does not represent reality. Many women marry less intelligent men as well. Intelligence is not the only think that matters in marriage. I'd rather marry a less intelligent woman who is not violent/likes to cheat on me/ has mental issues.

nonjebose:
Is it not smartness for me to appreciate that the genes encoding for smartness in me are contributed by both of them? If smartness is elegance, that I got from her. If smartness is energetic movement, both of them. If it is being clever or witty,it is mainly my dad. If it is being shrewd,my dad. Intelligence? My dad. So, what do you think is the answer to the question?

You are right, but being intelligent does not mean that your parents will send you to school or think you should get a degree or improve your education. If you are a woman, your parents automatically might think that you should get married early and not continue your education. Hence, the waste of brains and intelligence that it is that so many women do not study in this country

micktoxin:

Although distinct, they are closely related. Education attainment is highly associated with intelligence. While it is true that "anyone" can attain a level of education and that someone with money can probably "purchase" a degree of some kind, those with advanced education are almost also quite intelligent. Your use of George Bush was quite predictable and I understand it might be to console yourself

If men are wiser, it is mainly because of the way this society prevents women from getting educated (at least to the same degree men can get educated), and that is something that needs to be changed. The faster it changes and women can have degrees or vocational training rather than stay at home and depend on their husband for their income/survival, the faster our country will improve and modernise.

vfactor:


Call me whatever. I don't expect otherwise from you. And it will be demeaning to start calling you names too. All i am begging is for you to be more rational and less emotional. Support women! That is what i expect from you and any other woman. But add a little reasoning to it and we are good.


By the way, you still haven't disproved the OP's observation/question: are Nigerian men (on the average) more knowledgeable and wiser than Nigerian Ladies (on the average)?



And ranting on social media doesn't in anyway empower women!

Hasta Luego!

This comment does not really add anything meaningful. Men gossip about sports and women about fashion. Stereotypes about what men and women are required to talk about. But that does not deny the fact that in Nigeria, if you are a woman maybe your parents will decide not to send you to school because THEY think it is not necessary for you, while they will send your BROTHER because they think he needs to. This is obvious, and if you get married at 13 and do not even have basic education, do not expect these women to be rocket scientists or gossip about the new advances in chemistry and medicine.

Avalani:


You do realise that prostitution is a crime in Nigeria, don't you?

Secondly, if girls are always so busy and never have time for constructive dialogue and educated discussions, then how come they have time to make gossiping their own?

Except for some valuable contributions, the level of discussion in this thread is very bad, to say the least.

If we understand wise and knowledgeable as being educated or being able to talk about current politics, there are a series of key social and cultural differences between men and women:

1. Women are less likely to be sent to school by their mothers.

2. Women do not have many female role models (do any of you have grandmothers with university degrees?)

3. FEMALE Child marriages (as well as female genital mutilation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3507121/) are common (often married to older males) and their opportunities for education are reduced (specially in the North).

4. In this society, there is almost a difference of 20% between the number of literate men (70%) and women (50%). It is easy to see why women are less wise/knowledgeable. Many of them never had the chance to get a decent education.

5. In other countries, women only had a more equal (though men still have a better position) situation till very recently, and that is why there are few famous female scientists/philosophers/politicians/engineers in historical records. But even in these cases, we can see there were quite a few of them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_scientists_before_the_21st_century).


I think we need to encourage our women to go into science and technology and change some of these old (some of them brought by the Arabs, Europeans, Americans or other foreign powers) traditions. Our society can only modernise if women receive the education they need so we can enjoy spending our time with educated and wise women.