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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 4:02pm On Mar 27
twinskenny:

Damn all these payment just to build house.. I thought they have banned Omo onile

No be to build house o. To renovate house.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 4:01pm On Mar 27
Ayohbk:
Hello All, Thanks for your feedbacks. after several back and forth these are the costs paid and work have started already. Just dropping the information for anyone else who might need it.

Omo on Ile #1,350,000
Safety Commission. #200,0000
Town Planning Office. #200,000
These were paid Last weeks

Then Labca were paid 1.3m. Tried to beat it down but they didn't agree. Even after the 1.3m they gave conditions that we should finish the work quick before they move their oga. Else we'll have to pay another Money if we stop and restart some other time.

Nigeria was really a country.

Thanks for your inputs. Cc diordaves acmebuilding Billions123 gabbytabby kopell and everyone else

That's the Nigerian civil service for you. Fantastically corrupt.

So you see the 4.3mil list initially sent was just an extortion bait as suspected. But good on you to now have peace of mind. Thanks for coming back with the final outcome for all of us to learn. Good luck and good speed.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 2:38pm On Mar 24
kopell:
Please let gard people with right information. Every building as different history. If you see me write anything here is from my personal experience NOT them say I did it. I just finished one of his similar case I build the house in 94 with every government approved . Chose to renovate 2 years ago just like everyone else, government official show up asking for renovating permit, don't have one I thought its was a joke fast forward continue work. they can back few weeks later with stop work Order. As stubborn man I call my connection at the top in Alausa. He told me I should know better their are process I have to follow before I start now. He sent me back to the local branch, to continue the process. When they sent me the requirements I look at it as waste of resources on the old house I chose to bring down the house, that when the drama start all over, all those requirements which I follow through. I couldn't believe this people have so much time to come for inspection, from set back, checking if what we have on drawing is what we are building as we progress, on the project even till the roofing stange. So please if they don't come for you, don't think the dont work . You may just be lucky. If they caught you at the middle, trust me you will pay all those fees . When they finished, they will send you all documents. You will appreciate the government for all your payments. They will send you the soft and hard copies of all your certificates of payment, building plan, building approval documents, building number for tax porpoises. Everything is well documented. If you do it the right way. Not like those days that you don’t know what you’re playing for or no record of your payment. Everything is digital on CD now. Please be guarded right

If I understand, you tore down a 1994 building because you couldn't meet the requirements for Renovation Permit? Really ? That is extreme to me a by stander. Unless you are remodeling, I struggle to see how Renovation Permit will make you pull down a 1994 building.

Is there renovation permit in Lagos state? Yes, there is. For a renovation permit ALL you need is your building approval (you should have this as you personally built the property), your schedule of work earmarked for renovation prepared by your engineer (qualified o), NDT and 25 percent of the applicable processing fee at the time. That all.

If you were sent a list as long as your arm and as complicated as mount Everest, so tay you knock down your house, Honourable, dem do you the thing.

Na the same thing dem want to do the poster so. What concerns building approval process list with renovation permit? The poster was sent a building approval list of 4.3 million. This is incorrect. This is extortion.

By the way, I and the people I know have never been bothered for renovation jobs after settling Bale and Omonile. After settlement, I just commence renovation to the end. No trouble. But is this saying there is no renovation permit? No. You know how many permits there are. Even permit to sleep with one's wife dey.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 7:27am On Mar 24
Ayohbk:


Thanks for your feedback. The omo onile money was paid because we Just bought the building and we collected receipts for that. The reason I was insisting on going by the book is because buildings around the project are marked for demolition. So govt officials visit there regularly. I won't be paying the amount stated as advised. But since the plan is for a major renovation, I guess there's Still be significant outlay. It's just because I'm not around and I don't want to do anything that will stress my parents or siblings, having to go up and down begging govt officials. Previous trauma from This officials wey make me run comot 9ja, I still get the PTSD.

Here is the process: If YOUR building has not been served anything, my friend proceed to improvement work on your building. The so called govt official can visit the area as much as they like, it has nothing to do with you. You are renovating your building. Shikena!

There is a structural improvement work right now at Oworo (New garage) for a twin storey building. They are 1980's as well. Work will be completed next month. No such payment as being demanded from you. Only the Bale and the omonile. No disturbance and I'm not in the country as well. It is knowing what to do or else you will be taken to the cleaners.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 10:45pm On Mar 23
gabbytabby:
Na him go open him head say make them come scrape all this diaspora people often times when them say everything by the book I just laugh. Which book.

A major renovation that you chose to carry out ( where you have to evict all tenants) some money for omonile ( when I ready I go haggle for more that 2 hours so that them go say madam bring wetin you get) about 100k and labsca only if them come round as it has nothing to do with them if no structural issues identified prior so 50k and then somebody come say million , millions ha.

Even for painting that I did last year for my papa house we give omonile 15k roofing nko we pay( if I dey na just round of drinks). Those ones na necessary family stipend for when you need them for serious issues and a familiarisation issue.

Always try to do externals particularly windows and security iron while some tenants are still there. They act like unofficial security and then nobody gets to put eyes and you can lock up for the internals.


My sister, I no just understand how building approval process takes enter renovation.

How body?
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 2:52pm On Mar 23
Ayohbk:


Sorry, I didn't See the last sentence before. Do you mean the total amount to pay for everything on the list should be around 2m or you meant the tax?

To be honest, you shouldn't be paying any of these fees. But the Nigerian civil service up and down the country is fantastically corrupt.

You have been sent a list for BUILDING APPROVAL REQUIREMENTS. That building you bought has already been approved since the 1980s. So that list and all that is contain therefrom is for a new development. It has nothing to do with your situation. That building is your residential building now (so to speak). Now, is the Lagos state govt telling me that I need to pay 4.3mil to renovate my property? Well, I and the people I know have never paid anything on that list for old purchased properties in Lagos state. I have some experience. To me personally, that list sent to you is a list largely to extort you.

Your situation, from what you posted is that you bought a building that you want to improve to add value. In my experience, I pay "ratification" fee to the Bale of the area and "development" fee to the omonile(s). That's all. I do not approach the Lagos state government for anything. So all this ASSESSMENT MONEY, TAX MONEY, LUPA(R) PAYMENT, PROCESSING FEE, this fee, that fee is something I have NEVER experienced with old property purchases in Lagos state. New development? Yes but not for a renovated property.

However, has that building been served a property at risk and unsafe Notice? Has the property been served a demolition notice? If yes, there is a different route to follow to improve the building not Building Approval route. If the building has not been served anything, I will contact a structural engineer and renovate my building jejeje. I no fit shout.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 1:32pm On Mar 22
Ayohbk:
Hello all,

We decided to proceed with the renovation of the building in Lagos and I insisted on doing everything according to the books. So we've paid safety commission, town planning, omo onile money. These already costs over 3m already. According to the engineer only Labca approval is remaining. I told him I don't want backdoor approval. So he sent me this list, that's requested from Labca official. Which totals over 4.3m. I think This expenses are outrageous. Can someone please help verify if this is how things are done? cc diordaves acmebuilding billions123

Where are you located? In the diaspora? Are all the documents in your name? If yes, you can work out the income tax to far far less. If you are in Nigeria, are you paying tax? If yes, submit this evidence for a negotiated amount. If you are not paying tax, you need to work with them but not that amount on the list.

All you need to pay should be less than 2mil.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 9:05pm On Mar 21
HealthCas:


Thanks chief. Perhaps I didn't ask the question well enough. I meant workmanship for casting of 4' DPC on a 30×60ft area. All materials provided.

Now I get it.

You will need a concrete group sometimes made of women. There is no fix price. It is by negotiation and the negotiated price is dependent on the community and the community youths. There is normally a price range for each community. The more difficult and unorganised the community, the higher the price. For 30x60ft, 4 inches thick, plus or minus 150k is not bad.

You will need tappers. For your project size, two tappers should be enough at plus or minus 40k for both.

You will need carpenter for boarding. Plus or minus 40k is not bad.

Note that the concrete people is all inclusive. This means they will provide shovels and headpans. That is everything they need to do the job. Some group will want to test you and offer you a slightly lower price and ask you to provide shovels and headpans. Don't accept this option. You will spend more and your job may be delayed.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 10:26pm On Mar 19
Celepope:

In Delta state how much is 2-in-1 trip of sharp sand and a trip of plaster sand (iyabi) sold?

I'm not sure of 2-in-1 but 10 - 12 tons is 70k as at January/ February in Warri axis.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 10:20pm On Mar 19
HealthCas:


Boss thanks so much for this. Please can you estimate the cost of workmanship for setting of DPC (German floor) on a 30 x 60ft flat land space after foundation and filling. Just bricklayer and labourer pay alone. All materials available

For bricklayer, the industry standard is N120 - N160 per block.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 8:56pm On Mar 17
HealthCas:
Please what's the fair cost of labour for foundation filling with 50 tonnes of laterite?

It is location dependent. However, on average it is about 4k per 10 - 12 tons lorry.

In my location in Delta State, the attached lorry will cost you from 4k to fill the foundation. So they charge per type (tonnage) of the lorry.

If 5 trips of the attached lorry will fill your foundation, that is 4k × 5 = 20k.

It could be cheaper in your location. So, ask around your location what is obtainable.

Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 5:06pm On Mar 11
Skydivine:


But this issue is simple maths.
For this particular 4 bedroom ( 2 bedroom and 1 bedroom x 2) , up to 5000 blocks might be involved.

If you go by the second builder, you will spend 5000 x #240 = #1.2M . Just to lay blocks. He might not supervise the rest of the work.

If you go by the first contractor, you will spend #1.3M lay blocks to roofing level and also get his supervision for whole duration.

If you source for another regular brick layer, you will pay around #150 per block x 5000 = #750k . But you must also pay another person for supervision through out the duration to roofing level.

Supervision of brick layer might be more than 10k daily.

Personally, I will continue with the first person who is the main contractor that started the building..

You sound surprised that he told you upfront about your responsibility for purchasing the needed materials.
Now, you expect him to buy 100 bags ( #1M) of cement you will need for the 5000 blocks work from that contract amount? ( 1 bags of cement for 50 block)
Or the 30 tons of sand about 200k
Or the 20 tons of granite #400k
Or woods for frame work , nails and binding wire
Buy Rebar rods
Pay for carpenter
Pay for iron bender
Buy water
Pay for other helpers - hope you know that you will still need people to mix and pour the concrete








You and supervision. The OP wishes to adopt the direct labour approach. When it comes to setting of blocks, there is no extra supervision, no miscellaneous cost, no nothing. Just set block and collect your money.

So if we are to use your analogy of 5000 blocks at N150 per block, that is a total of N750k. But it will not be 5000 block sha. It will be far far less.

So, still on your analogy, 750k (labour cost) will do the job of block setting to roofing level. Contrast this against 1.3m, the OP will save 500k

No. The 1.3m option is the worst option for the OP.

Regarding how will the bricklayer know to read a plan? It is a bungalow. Bricklayers usually don't have that problem.

Casting of lintel, column or chaining and formwork, these are different segment of work not included in the 1.3m labour quote you are including in your calculations.

The 1.3m is just for block setting. This is outrageous. The OP should call for further quotes on per block basis.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 11:54pm On Mar 10
Ayohbk:


Thanks for your feedback. We were searching for a property. This one came from an area and people familiar with my mum. To be honest with you there are also underlying issues.
Please see the pictures of the building my brother took today
@diordaves

This is a 1980s building. To me, the building is okay. The building is just showing its age. That's all. The peeling off plaster and cracks are historical. The building structural integrity can be restored and modernised.

There is a fair bit amount of work to be done though: structural integrity, new electrics, new plumbing, new roof, new kitchens, new windows and doors, new soakaway.

I will not sell. Contracted to the right professionals, the building can be modernised and converted to a rental (money) machine.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 10:47pm On Mar 09
rotecch77:

This your reply is assumption, I will advise you to re-read the OP info again. You will understand clearly.
The quotation. Is 2 diff types ( contract to roofing stage and the other one is per block settings counting)
Even as am seen it the German floor as not been done.

I read it again. I'm still not certain the 1.3m is contracting the build. The OP should be able to throw more light on this for a better advice.

Regarding the German floor, I agree with you. It's like they don't want to do German floor. The OP should clarify.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 8:21pm On Mar 09
rotecch77:


If i talk now people will say another thing like am supporting high bill you received

But let me ask you these questions
.
1, do you have concrete work to do in this work like … columns, beams, lintel. ..I know the answer is yes, will this come free to do ?
2. Who is responsible for all formwork for this above
3. Who is responsible for reinforcement work

4. Who is responsible for mini scalfolding setup to increase the height where workers will stand while setting block in upper section of the building etc

Most people don’t think of these before given reply to your request

Do provide answers to these and re- negotiate if need be
Don’t mind my bad English it’s bcs i couldn’t finished my Cambridge uni but I later finished my 1st degree in Sudan .. ROFL lolzzzz
Bye for now

All what you listed are not relevant to the situation with regards to bricklayer price.

All what you listed only come into play if the job is contracted out.

Foundation is done. They only now need bricklayer for block setting in form of direct labour. Column, beam, formwork have nothing to do with bricklayer and the price of block setting. These are another segment of the job. Bricklayer doesn't need scaffolding. Just arrange two sets of blocks and place a plank across. Use this to set your block at no great extra cost.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 6:13pm On Mar 09
Ayohbk:
Hello house,

Please I'm in a mentally stressful situation Right now and I hope people on this thread can help resolve it.

Late last Year, My mom help me get a property in Lagos, it's an old one storey building and we planned to renovate it. We did the survey, also integrity test, structural test and stuff like that, only money to pay Labca is remaining as those ones are asking for huge money. After all the testing they said the building can be renovated and pillars are needed for support. Please note that I was not in Nigeria during all these process.

So I visited Nigeria last month and visited the place, I noticed that the building opposite it and the one beside it were marked for demolition by government. I talked to the engineer about it , he insisted that the building we bought is ok and it's not effected, that we can renovate and make it structurally strong. He stated that we wouldn't have gotten approval if that's not true. Please note that I'm not very experienced in construction work.

Before leaving Nigeria, I took my Dad to the building and at first sight he got angry with the purchase insisting that it's a sinking site. We noticed that the boys quarters of the building is sinking already(though we already planned to demolish it anyway). We also noticed that there are some cracks on the wall of the building. We discussed this with the engineer, and he insisted that everything Will be fixed and there will be no issue.

I left Nigeria after the stated assurance. The plan was to actually start with the renovation last month, but the payment of omo onile money and also negotiations with Labca is what's delaying start of work. Since I left Nigeria, my dad has been calling me repeatedly that we should not start work that the site is a sinking area. He said the engineer only wants to continue with the work because of money he'll get paid. And my Dad also said the integrity test and structural tests don't mean anything.

He insists I sell the building even if at a loss. Because he believes the building has to be demolished completely and new stronger foundation done, and this will cost a lot of money. My mum and the engineer think otherwise. This is causing issues in the family already. I already made money available for the renovation. Please note it's a one storey building and we intend to keep it that way, just to modernize it and turn it into flats.

At this point I am stressed out and confused and don't know who to believe and what to Do. How can I be sure there'll be no issue in the future if we continue with construction?

Do you have a picture of the building?

The fact that the boys quarter is sinking is never comforting. This is a cause for concern regarding the main building.

A sinking building is as a result of subsidence. The building will need underpinning which is a highly specialist process. You will need a highly experienced qualified structural engineer.

Note, that most tradespeople parading themselves as engineers are artisans, half backed bricklayers and pretenders and journey men. The Nigerian civil engineering industry is the most infested by charlatans more than any other industry.

For a structure the way you described it, you will need a QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED structural engineer.

Let your engineer tell you how he is going to fix the building. It is not enough to say the building is going to be fortified but HOW?

To me, you've already bought the building. There's a civil engineering solution to all civil engineering issues. All you need now is to seek the requisite professional to deliver the right solution. So tell your "old man" not to worry. It can be done.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 5:34pm On Mar 09
fohiss:



Thank you sir... This is why I brought it here for expert to give me advice... Thanks
But is it a good idea to use this daily pay guy ?

Daily pay in the building trade is NEVER a good idea. This is simple. It is important not to be confused with things like this or else you will end up throwing good money down the drain.

Daily pay will cost you N240 per block.

Per block will cost you about N100 per block depending.

So daily pay is two and a half times more expensive.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 2:13pm On Mar 09
fohiss:
Hello greetings house please I need your advice on behalf of my aunty.... She's just finished filling her foundation of 2bedroom and 1bedroom and another 1bedroom foundation.... Now the person that lays the foundation said he will finished it to the roofing level that his pay is 1.3M but my aunty will be the one that will buy cement, Rods, granites, in fact anything they need my aunty will be the one to buy it that the money he charged is just for workmanship......

Along the line someone now introduced my aunty to another builder and the guy said he charge 12k per day and service assistant (2 of dem) he will come along with will take 6k each and the daily work is working with 100 blocks per day but if my aunty want double work which will be 200 blocks per day that she will double the money as well and she will also be the one to buy cement, rods, granites as well

By calculating the money both guys charged.... The Work per day is more cheaper ...

Is there anything I'm not understanding here or is there something special in the first guy that charged 1.3M



Please experts in the house please advise thanks

Both methods are not favourable to you.

First off, you don't do block work per day. You said with 100 blocks per day, your auntie will be charged a total of 24k per day. That is a whooping N240 per block. This is not on. I don't know your location but to lay a block is as from N100 per block depending. This charge includes the bricklayers helper. So that N24,000 per day to lay 100 blocks no work.

In the industry, you do block work per block and the rate is around N100 per block. Use this method. This is what is obtainable in the industry.

Regarding the 1.3m, it is not clear how they arrived at this sum. Lack of transparency is the source of fraud in any industry let alone the building industry. I will reject this quote.

Tell your auntie to use the charge per block method. Peace of mind.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 3:00pm On Feb 15
chyima:
Good evening
Please what's the estimate of doing an high foundation 6 blocks to the ground because of the road as advised by the Engr for a storey building wih 4 flats of 2 bedroom ensuiite and land measuring 50 by 100 ft

I will budget from 8million.

For a quality foundation like your engineer recommended, you need to look out for the following big budget items:

You will need about:

2000 blocks @ 560 = 1,120,000

300 bags of cement @ 10,000 = 3,000,000. This includes blinding and German floor (DPC).

Backfilling/sand filling of foundation = 2,000,000. If you are using sharp sand and close to source depending on price in your location

Iron rod: This is difficult as it depends on the structural design of the building and not necessarily the size.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 3:24pm On Jan 30
OkanlawonB:


Waste of Money.

Waste of money as how?

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 2:48pm On Jan 28
Riosystem:


Please note that the cost of goods has risen significantly over time. There was a time when 10 liters of fuel cost only ₦650. Today, the prices of most solar products have increased by two to five times their previous costs. Even before cars became as expensive as they are now, lithium batteries were already priced similarly to some vehicles. Additionally, we are not manufacturing these products in Nigeria; we are only importing and assembling them, which further impacts costs and accessibility.


Very true. God no go shame us in our quest for constant power supply.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 10:42am On Jan 28
earthrealm:


the 40m quote wasn't for a home...it was for an office complex or so......
2ndly no 2 homes are alike, ac is the major consumer of electricity in the average home, a design without ac and a design with 1 or 2 acs vs a design with up to 5 acs cant be the same. therein lies the physics...doing a proper load calculation vis a vis balancing the solar panels with the battery...if for example a home consumes 20kwh daily,...a good design should hv a battery at least 1.5x this....then solar panels bringing in x2 of this ...if you want a functional, no stories design...a smart installer and client can still tweak with certain aspects of the design to achieve this with smaller budget....but what happens is..a quack installer will just say buy 4 batteries, and 8 panels, it will work, without doing any load calculation.

an acquaintance approached me for a solar job, had fridge.freezer, sumo, 1.5hp ac....totally offgrid, I gave 2 designs, with the least about 4m+ which included a 12kwh lithium battery...the person ran away and went with another installer that gave a quote of 2m+..which included just 4 units of 200ah flooded battery. this quack installer design will fail within 6months...and the owner will now start shouting that solar doesn't work.blah blah blah....when they engaged quacks .in a bid to save money

So from your submission, we can work on the premise that with a budget of about 5 million, using the right professionals, an average family can go completely off grid?

If this is the case, then it makes economic sense. A budget of 5million should be calculated into the total cost of building the house just like we do with borehole, soakaway etc for peace of mind.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 7:29pm On Jan 27
topsy23:
kissLike I always say, buying low grade items and expect a long lasting solution is not possible. For example, we have a lot of LED Light in market and if you are not very careful you will buy avery low grade that will not serve you up a two month. I had an experience sometimes back with one of our brother from East. He gave me 2 items of the same name and said one is fake and the other one is original. He gave me fake as original and original as fake.. Bring my an experience person in electrical field. I picked the original which he called as fake product, it was a drama that day because their prices are not the same..

This guy said the one I picked is the original and told me I must pay for original.

There are alot of things to consider when yselecting the inverter capacity;
- Total load - this total load will determine the size of your inverter equipment.
-Autonomy: This will determine number or capacity of battery, number of panels.
All these can be calculated. We have a lot of solar inverter, solar panels and batteries in the market. The problem we are facing in this country is that Nigeria has no regulatory body., our SON(Standard Organisation of Nigeria) is not working. They have turned this country to dumping ground.

I think you guys are missing the point of the discussion or you are avoiding the facts.

The discussion is not IF SOLAR SYSTEM WORKS.

It is a widely known fact that solar system works.

The discussion is AT WHAT BUDGET CAN A FAMILY HOME GO COMPLETELY OFF GRID RELYING COMPLETELY ON SOLAR SYSTEM.

Complete off grid means the system can power ALL A/Cs at home simultaneously, pump water, do clothes ironing etc at all times of the day. In short; do all family home activities like it would be on national grid.

If that budget is close to 40 million as was previously mentioned, then solar is just a compromise for the average family home. It is not the energy solution yet for families up and down the country. Homeowners must be aware of this before pumping money into a bottomless pit.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 10:20pm On Jan 24
gabbytabby:
In lagos if you use machine concrete the concrete machine, mixers and pourers come as a package deal.


This is yet another option worth exploring. However, for a bungalow with very few pillars, this option might not be viable. In this era of high fuel cost, concrete mixers can turn out to be very expensive option due to fuel and transport costs.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 1:51pm On Jan 24
Evangelisttj:


Many thanks.
I appreciate the guidance.

Again, please will the money include them casting the pillars and the 1,100 blocks as seen in this image?

The casting of pillars is a different segment. It is not included in block laying.

For pillars, you will need planks for boarding and carpenter to board the pillars. The carpenter will charge for this.

You will need concrete mixers. They will charge for this.

And then you need tappers. They will charge for this. The tappers pour the concrete into the formwork (boarding) and tap it to expel air and void ensuring the casting is properly done.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 1:14pm On Jan 24
Evangelisttj:


He said 12 bricklayers.
If it’s 120 per block then I’m trying to figure out the labor charge again. Shouldn’t the 120 per block cover that. Labor are the people carrying the blocks and bringing the cement.

They don't charge per the number of bricklayers. They charge per the number of blocks.

So if for example, you have 1,100 blocks and the charge per block is N120, that is:

1,100 x 120 = N132,000 for the bricklayers.

The bricklayers will normally settle their helpers. This is included in the charge per block.

They sometimes count half block as one block. So your final block count may be more than 1,100.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 9:39am On Jan 24
Evangelisttj:
Hi Everyone,

I am trying to start a building and will be coming here for questions and using the professionals here when the time comes.
Already the foundation is done, and I want to begin laying blocks and I got the below quote for Ibadan:

Propose estimation for the laying of 1,100 blocks
Bricklayer 12 x 10,000 = 120,000
Labor 8 x 6000 = 48,000
Fetching of water 4 x 6000 = 24000

Total 192,000
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1. What is the best way to calculate bricklaying labor and wage?
2. Should the quotation above include the Pilar’s as shown in the image or it’s a different payments

This is not very clear.

For example: Bricklayer 12 x 10,000 = 120,000. What does this mean? What is 12 and what is 10,000? Is it 12 bricklayers or 12 days? Is 10,000 Naira per day?

Normally brick laying is charged per brick as from 120 per brick depending.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 9:13pm On Jan 23
Jaakay:
Good evening, Can someone pls reconfirm the price of 9in and 6in block as 800 naira and 700 naira?

I'm currently buying 6 inches (solid) at N570 in Warri, Delta State.

Where's your location?
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 7:40pm On Jan 17
Port443:

The secret to enjoying your solar and inverter system is buying quality equipment and "fully" understanding your load. With proper calculation, you can perfectly get your load, and the type of inverter system that can power it. I am currently designing my house to be off grid. My sumo will be inverter sumo, i will be using central water heater which will be powered by sunlight. All my ac and fridges will be interver ac and fridge and I will be buying a quality battery pack and lots of panels to ensure they are well charged. Also my lighting will have max of 5watts each. I see people plugging industrial fan to their inverter and complaining that it doesn't last, some of that fan is rated 300watts grin grin

The issue is how much do you have to spend to get your solar system to power your ACs effectively without issues ? Not that solar cannot power ACs. Solar can power AC effectively. But how much?

Comrade, if you are going to spend 40 million to deliver an AC solar system; Ko make sense. This doesn't add up economically.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 10:28pm On Jan 16
Riosystem:



To successfully run an air conditioner (AC) on a solar-powered system, it is essential you determine the number of hours you intend to operate the AC daily.

For this setup, you should plan for a minimum battery storage capacity of 60 kWh lithium batteries, which will ensure sufficient energy reserves for stable operation. The overall cost of the system, range between ₦25 million and ₦40 million, depending on the number of hours the AC is expected to run and the quality of components selected.

₦40 million kwanu? Just for the solar system to power possibly just one unit of AC. I've said it before on this forum and I will say it again. It makes no economic sense to spend close to 50 million on a Solar system just because you want it to power an AC unit.

It is better to have a budget of about ₦5 million on Solar. This will power lights, fan, fridge. Then get an Inverter generator to power AC for the few minutes one needs it and invest the remaining ₦35 million that will be yielding income to buy fuel to power the inverter generator.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 10:15pm On Jan 16
laptopsforsale:


Very deep and brilliant insight! Thanks so much!

A plot of land here is nearly 10million and i just need 2 units of 3 bedroom flats. I love the idea of having a spacious compound so that I can have a garden where my wife can plant some vegetables and teach my children the principles of sowing and reaping.

So, I think it will be better getting a plot of land and build a 1 storey building comprising of 1 unit of 3 bedroom flat upstairs and downstairs, then have ample space around.

Spacious compound? Way to go. Nothing beats a specious compound.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 11:05pm On Jan 04
Sabibouy:
Hello house, pls help me check this quotation for a 4 bedroom bungalow German floor foundation I got from an engineer

This is a classical case why homeowners should build with a Bill of Quantity which will give you the quantity of ALL THE MATERIALS NEEDED AND THE PRICES. With a situation like this, you are at the mercy of the engineer's honesty or lack of it. This is building blindly.

For example, the quantity of sand needed for filling and backfilling is directly proportional to the HEIGHT OF THE FOUNDATION. The higher the foundation, the more sand you will need. Now the situation is open for a dishonest builder to quote and collect money for a four course high foundation (for example), but end up building a two course or even one course high foundation and pocket the rest. This is one example of how builders steal from homeowners.

So the quantity of granite, cement, block and sand needed are dependent on the type of foundation. To be honest, it is a struggle to critique the quote without knowing the type and structure of the foundation. All you will get is guess work which can bring confusion and suspicion. This is not good for anyone.

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