2ruink:


And you lack logic to counter his points.
What will your own followers make from this gibberish you typed here?

He is reminding people of what is happening with valid examples only for you to scream "nobody can islamize Nigeria"

Can't you see it happening or are you deliberately being obtuse?

Its just a clear case of reason wasted on the reasonless. And also a typical example of someone committing a crime and coming out to shout louder than everyone over the immoral nature of the crime.

Its clear to all and sundry that the North have politicized religion and yet he is shouting against politicizing religion just so you don't treat a matter for what it really is. That guy is either a muslim protecting the muslim agenda, an infidel who hides under the umbrella of Christianity or he is just an ignoramus who will stop at nothing to advertise his ignorance to whole world

The Ameachis, okorochas etc have found their way to this thread to defend their northern muslim lords. Checkout for those who are attacking the OP rather than the points he alluded.

SUGGESTION: We should go back in time and give their fathers contraceptives. These ones are worst than the northern muslims, and should be eliminated first alongside CAN because they as well are there for their selfish interest otherwise they would hv been the loudest voice in this matter

Krasid:
Cry me a river.Didn't Real madrid get Atletico in the quarter-finals of the UCL last season?

last season Barca got d champions of every league till finals. So do d comparison urself

fF01:

i dont knw y guy, monkey hand don dey resemble humanBeing hand 4 dis draws o! Madrid always get awof teams until d Semi's, Y?! D tin just dey vex me.

no b small matter, one day breeze go expose fowl nyash for this matter

Army arresting pdp members while the dss, army and apc members are disappearing by the powers that be in Rivers. We go see who go tire

Madrid always getting it easy pffft! Cr7 preparing to score 10 kajillion tap-ins and folks go dey hail am. I no blame them sha na their luck

promisechuks:

Okay.
Since, it is over-simplified and more than just an unmerited favour.

Please, I challenge you to bring up your meaning of grace, for us to know whether it is more than unmerited favour.

Please I will appreciate you if you do.

look mehn, I can't give you a particular definition of Grace even though I can try just as I cannot give a particular definition of who Jesus is that's why he has so many names. But let me ask you this, if u define Grace as just unmerited favor and nothing else, how then do you account for Grace being the new convenant God said he will establish with us in Jer 31:31. Like I said previously the book of Romans can help, I can't keep going on in this merry-go-round of an argument
. I don't think its getting us anywhere

vooks:

'Over-simplifies' is a figment of your bias. Jesus Christ is several things including 'holy child'. You can't pick needless fights with any of His his offices because it does not cover something else. For instance the phrase 'Lamb of God' does not cover His deity. Does the phrase 'over-simplify' Jesus?

Similarly, Grace is Unmerited Favor is complete and it communicates whatever it does succinctly. It is just a phrase, a profound one. If you have a better definition you would do well to give us.

If there is a misconception of what Grace entails, it certainly is due to ignorance, and not due to Grace is Unmerited Favor. This is why fighting the truth communicated by the phrase in the name of correcting this ignorance is unwise.

You misunderstand me, I am not being bias. Anyone who says grace is NOT unmerited favor is wrong (the OP needs to correct the title of the thread).
What am saying is that in a bid to define Grace and you JUST say Grace is unmerited favor and you END there seems to over-simplify it because Grace is more than JUST unmerited favor.
You gave an example with Jesus. Jesus is indeed the Lamb of God but He is not only the Lamb of God. Defining Him as that ALONE means that you re not truly acknowledging His Grandeur, Greatness, etc in its TOTALITY. That's what I mean with regards to Grace.
Read my first post

vooks:


Words and phrases may not cover entire theology but that does not make them WRONG.
The phrase 'Grace is Unmerited Favor' is 120% accurate,just as as is a Muslim quip that Jesus was a prophet. We know He is more than a prophet, but He is still a prophet! Similarly, if there is more T Grace than Unmerited Favor, Grace remains Unmerited Favor plus that 'more'

Saying Grace is NOT unmerited favor means either Grace is Merited,it is not Favor or is neither. Attacking such a profound and accurate truth senselessly in the name of Correcting misconceptions and notions' is lack of wisdom.

The MOST distinguishing aspect of Grace is that it is unearned,free,nobody I entitled to it, and there is NOTHING you can do to qualify for it; the Grace is what qualifies you! The SECOND distinguishing aspect of Grace is that it is God who accepts man. Mary was said to be Highly favored' and some confused religionists pray to her for this. But Jesus said more blessed is he who does the will of God, and the will of God is to believe in Him. All these means UNMERITED FAVOR is lethally accurate

Not in doubt about grace being unmerited favor, but defining it as that alone over-simplifies it, that's what am saying

Ter Stegen for Ballon d'or

Barca and Pragmatism na twins. Why stress yourself when u know the tie is still safe

Make una tell Pep say if im dey go man city make him no come shopping for barca o! Cos him leg fit miss

Arsenal's chances of progressing is equivalent to that of Lie Mohammed passing a lie detector test

Who the heck is this mohammed enemy, didn't he get the memo?

Pls guys stop attacking the OP just enlighten him, no one knows it all, besides he didn't derail so much just dat the examples may be a little out of place

Scholar8200:
Many describe grace as unmerited favour but I am yet to find this definition impliedly or expressedly stated in the Bible!(IF YOU HAVE PLS SHOW US)

I fear this definition of grace being unmerited favour laid the foundation of people seeing it as God's ticket enabling us travel the broad way and enter through the strait gate!


To others, Grace is forgiveness of sins nothing more! Yes it includes but is not limited to forgiveness

If that was the case then why was Jesus being a task master when after forgiving the woman caught in adultery He told her to go and sin no more? Were His Words not Spirit and Life by which the woman was to be empowered for victory after forgiveness?

Why didnt He say," daughter, I know you are weak;any time you commit adultery just remind the Father of today and ask Him for forgiveness!!!


Grace is illustrated in:

1. God strengthening our hands such that we are enabled to break a bow of steel; Psalm 18:34
2. Enabling us to walk on water while we set our minds on Him (faith)
3. God Dwelling in us and walking in us
4. God working in us that which is well pleasing in His sight
5. Grace is God asking Moses to divide the red sea by stretching out his rod and when Moses complies God sent forth a blast to do the dividing
etc
6. Grace is God transforming a raving terrorist-like Saul and making him an apostle whose heart was so saturated with love that he wished God would banish him to hell if only that will lead to the salvation of his main persecutors - the Jews!

What then is Grace? Grace transcends forgiveness to an entitlement to partake of the Divine nature (2 Peter 1:3,4)

Grace is God's power working in us that which is well pleasing in His sight through our faith enabling us to live soberly, righteously and godly in this present world. It is defined as the Spirit quickening us such that, inspite of human frailty, we are empowered to live in holiness!

Romans 8:11

3 according as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

2Peter 1:3,4

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Romans 8:11

The quickening here is not resurrection or healing but the work of the Spirit Who also mortifies the carnal nature vs 13.

While we are not saved by works but faith, Grace that comes in through faith manifests itself by works hence the Epistles commence with the revelation of salvation and ends with practical works of faith expected from those who profess faith lest they be deceived!


Besides, unlike the I-serve-you-you-bless-me mindset prevalent today, true service to God is only possible by His Grace tantamount to His Power and he that serves by this Provision does not pray or approach God with an air of entitlement but retains humility!

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear
Hebrews 12:28





Now let's consider facts about Grace.

Facts about Grace:
1. Grace can be received in vain by the receiver; 2 Corinth 6:1

2. Frustrated by the receiver; Galatians 2:21

3. Fallen from by he that once received it? Galatians 5:4

4. Turned to lasciviousness and an occasion to serve the flesh if careful heed is not taken; Jude 4

5. Grace works in tandem with our wills and willingness? Meaning grace will only enable to the degree to which we want to go 1 Corinth 15:10

6. Grace only becomes effectual in our lives when we believe on Him Romans 5:2 hence the need to hold fast and continue in the faith.

7. Actions that contradict the grace received by faith we possess are evidences that we are no longer in the faith 2 Corinth 13:5 no matter what affirmations, emotions and feelings we experience.

8. Grace goes beyond forgiveness of sins to empowerment to live victorious lives Titus 2:11-13 and that if this aspect of grace is missing, we may profess grace but we deceive ourselves and turn God's grace into lasciviousness !

9. Sequel to (8.), if we have no earnest hunger and thirst after righteousness and purity, and only rejoice in the forgiveness aspect of grace then we have a form of godliness while denying the power thereof: a recipe for becoming reprobates in the long run like the Church in Sardis Revelation 3:1-5!

10. He that truly received grace will hunger for more John 1:16; absence of this means the person has reverted back to what he was before encountering grace 2 Peter 1:9-11

11. Grace is provided as a free Gift never to be withdrawn; however each individual must access this grace by faith and since faith is not permanent till we get to Heaven, we must take heed and be watchful lest we draw back or fall from faith!

Grace is more than just "unmerited favor" infact the term "unmerited favor" is over-simplifying grace. Now going back to Jer 31:31 God talked about a new convenant and that was when the first convenant was still effective that is the law of Moses. In a bid to establish this new convenant God sent His son Jesus Christ to die for us thereby bringing "grace", that is to say the law was brought to us through Moses and "Grace" through Jesus Christ. Wouldn't want to go into so much details cause a lot can be said about grace and it cannot be exhausted, but as for people seeing grace as a license to commit sin that's wrong because it is written in Rom 6:1-3 that as Christ died we died with Him and have become dead to sin and also resurrected with Him. And in verse 6 it tells us that our old man was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be destroyed and hence no longer slaves to sin.
Again you can't talk about grace without talking about faith cause its written in Rom 4:16 "it is of Faith that it might be by Grace, to the end that the promise might be guaranteed to all seed..." Also in Rom 5:1-2 we find out that it is Faith that gives us access to Grace
Well I just recommend the book of Romans for a better insight into grace it inexhaustible

It is written "the fool says in his heart there is no God"

CEOMilkyway:




Wetin concern CAN and the topic on ground? Clearly you missed the headline.

well if you read the story you would have known that Ese was converted to islam and CAN had to at least say something. Perhaps u missed the entire story

I have just got to ask, is the Christian Association of Nigeria now a political party? Perhaps I missed the headline