EzioAuditore:



I'm not the blatant liar mate, like I said before, its the "holy ghost".

eshbeewanna:


I knew you would quote the above verse.Should I know ask you now that why did the new testament not give us a detail account of the story of adam and eve and also failed to mention prophets like moses,elijah job solomon etc.since that was what your christian brother asked from muslims why the Quran failed to mention eve and why the quran did not give a detail accont of stories about prophets and events in the quran.Even though he was presented with facts.
But my brother the truth is the Quran is not a story book is only a book to admornish,warn and encourage mankind to be righteous,show mankind the way to the true God and also correct the wrong belief about God,refer us to the past life of some of the prophets to learn from,proclaim Muhammed as the true prophet of God and the quran as the last scripture from God and lastly give us commandments from God etc
The simple truth is that God knew he had told us enough about the prophets of old and events of the past in the earlier scriptures,he needed not to repeat those events in details anymore but beriefly since he had giving us a detailed account in the ealier books.moreover God revealation was continueous and he has made all the scriptures to coroborate,confirm and also to complement oneanother.
My brother lastly if Muslims and people of other faith want to have details about past event the Hadith (sayings of muhammed peace be on him)are there to shed more light, is just like book of history which muslims must believe in.
However I must say here that is just unfortunate how some mischivious people delibrately twist and cast aspersion on other people's religion to cause hatred between people of different faiths instead of encourage tolerance.Inspite of knowing the truth about what they say or do.But it is obvious they have their evil plots but Almighty God also plot against them because he is the Master of all plotters,is plot will ever triump over his enemies.
He will not fail to bring them to book for their Evils because he is a just God. However he is ready to forgive those who change from their evil ways.
May God forgive every one of us.Ameen

EzioAuditore:



What? Me? I have never commented on this topic, if I did I must have been half asleep. Is there any islamic verse against that?

EzioAuditore:


No such thing as the satanic verses.

eshbeewanna:


Hypocrite like you I ask you again can you show Us where in the New Testament Adam and Eve and also other prophets of God mentioned?
Please show us.

eshbeewanna:


I pray that you don't see the wrath of Allah(God) which you insult.If truely you are a true believer you would have know that the same Allah that you abuse is the same word for God in Arabic which your fellow Arab Christians recognise as the Almighty GOD.
I realy pity you for your ignorance.
GOD is watching!

afolag:

May be these could help in your understanding


Quran 10:90-92

decisive:
I am glad you respond. I know you can't understand all I wrote without comment. It is good to seek truth and to be freed by it. I commend you for taking time to study the books of islam. You must have been an avid reader,one who directs his affairs with true knowledge. You are a brother that assesses ways all the time.

1) On there is no compulsion in religion.
You have cited correct ahadith to butress your point. That is lovely from you. I am happy for that. But sir,you missed your target. Islam is a universal religion. There are benefits for believing totally in it. I know you're soft hearted,you would so much love your kid. Assuming your kid wants to jump down from a cliff,you don't want to spank him but you know he would be injured. He has free will to jump but he is inexperienced he could be hurt. So he's bent on jumping,as lovely as you are,won't you spank him? Youknow the spankingis very minimal to the consequence had you allowed him jump.
Allah wants everybody to serve Him because that's where success is,so the prophet came to bring the message to all without inhibition. However,Allah knows some will be guided,while some won't. So,there isn't compulsion to religion,you're rightly guided or not but you don't stand on the way on its spread. So.the ahadith means 'I have been commanded to fight until the islam reaches everybody'. In some verses,Allah says'you are just a warner'meaning to accept isn't yours.

2) On Allah's words.
I have said that before. His words doesn't change. Abrogation comes only in laws.laws are part of his revealation. I know you are well read.you can bring examples of such. I know you attended higher colleges,why weren't you given all the knowledge once? Why the sequence. Obviously you know the answer. The more you mature the more the knowledge. With theexpansion,Allah calibrate them with laws that would make it easier for them to serve Him and be of help to themselves.

3) On Abraham and Ismaheel.
If you're conversant with history of christianity,you wll agree with me that Abraham didn't live in Mecca neither did he born Ismaheel inMecca where Ka'aba is. As a command from his Lord,he came to Mecca,after he had sent Hagar and her son away on his Lord directives. Abraham and Ismaheel just laid and raised the foundation. None of them was a prophet or messenger to the arabs.
Old testament wasgiven to Jews,New testament to xtians,the book didn't get to them because Moses was basically sent to Jews to liberate them and to know there is one God just Jesus to Xtians. So,the arabs then were idolaters. They had hundreds of idols they worship. Why,the gospels didn't have influence on them.you can do your research.

On Jews,Xtians and others

There is a name that may interest youthat Qur'an is called. Al-Furqan,meaning one that tells difference. The traditional jews believe in oneness of God but later the take their loyalty to their priests and they began to claim their priests as gods. Quran clearly state that.
Likewise,xtianity started on monotheism before abracadbra ofcrusade war brings the trinity. Yet,Quran tells us that the original New Testament tells of oneness of God. So,on that note,we see them as brothers in faith moreso they have revealations.

I appreciate this exercise youbrought. How I wish I could hug but I do it here inmy heart. I see this as enlightening to those who seek knowledge. I hope people find guidance here.
God bless you sir,you remain precious!

There is no compulsion in Allah's religion.
You rightly quoted the right verses. That there isn't compulsion in religion has been one fundamentals of peaceful living of muslims with others. Q2:256 only states that Allah abhors forcing anybody to accept or follow Islam,since whosoever chose to follow has held onto a strong handhold that breaks not and whosoever chose not to has missed the way. Allah is saying everybody has free will to chose his path,to success or destruction. Now,onto Q8:39. Note the word 'fitnah' meaning obstruction,rebellion,outright mischief making. Allah commanded to fight whosoever of the believers that intentionally puts wedge onto the ways of people who chose to believe or have believed. Such people they have control over,or prohibiting the believing people to practise their believe.[b]So,the prophet was commanded to fight injustice until the freedom of choice and association is established. So,if the prophet won or surrendered,they are free to surender and do not pay tax to [/b]muslims, but if they chose not to convert,then they are subjected to islamic laws and they pay tax. Either way,all religions become Allah's alone.

The words of Allah doesn't change.
Q6:115,this verse is about commands of Allah. Whatever He says he would do. Whatever He wish to bring to live of creations,actions(rewards and punishments). In all the commands and the sequence of his creations,His words are perfected. Where as Q2:106 is refering to laws governing muslims I.e the sharia. Note the word ABROGATE.Just as we seek improvement in our lives and we review laws,Allh's encompassing wisdom knows how changes can make laws administration difficult,so he abrogates the old and difficult ones and enacts easier one. For He says in the Qura'an 'verily,Allah wants ease of affairs for you,He doesn't want hardship for you'.

Abraham and Ismaheel were in Mecca and Built Ka'abah
My noble brother,you failed to understand this.too.Q2:127 actually meant that. That Abraham and Ismaheel raised the foundation of KA'aba and the supplicated. True. As to Q34:44 you cited.Allah was talking about the disbelievers. A read from verse 43 gives insight to this:
Verse 43:'and when a our communications(revealations) are recited to them,they say: this is naught but a man who desires to turn you away from that which your fathers worshipped. And they say: this is naught but a lie that is forged. And those who disbelieve say of the truth when it comes to them. This is only a clearenchantment.
Verse 44 : and we have not given them any book they read,nor did we send to them before you a warner.(Meaning,among this arabs disbelievers we haven't sent anyone before you as a warner)

Christianity,Sabaenism and Islam are acceptable to Allah.
Q2 is an earlyMeccan surah,meaning it was revealed when Islam is at early formative stage. At that time,there were xtiansand Jews and Sabians and that believed in Oneness of Allah,who stood by the true revelationsof Moses and Jesus. Since Quran has monotheism as its foundation,so if anyone has the believe he will be duely rewarded. Just as He say in says in Surat AL-Zilzalah:'whosoever does smallest amount good deeds,shall have the rewards,and whosoever does smallest amount of bad deeds shall have the rewards.
On the other hand,Q9:17 refers to disbelievers in the words of Allah still visiting the holy Ka'aba after the muslims have defeated disbelievers and they have also conquer mecca. Q3:85 came on when Islam is widespread. When there is total awareness and when there is nota single barrier to accept Islam. They have tools,space and teacher. So the verse means,now that we have perfected ways into Islam for you,what would give as excuse that you aren't a muslim,your not being one is your desire, 'so if anyone desires a religion other than Islam,never will it be accepted fron him...

truthman2012:
Muslims are expected to probe into why Allah did not maintain his words in the quran. For so many verses of the quran there are the reverses, making the book very unreliable. Why would God not keep to his words? Why did he reverse his statement in order too suit particular situations? How would he say both man and jinns are incapable of producing a book like the quran with its inconsistencies? Why did he say there is no discrepancy in the book? All these questions should put muslims in the notice the need for proper probing of Allah’s book – quran

The reverses of the words of allah are in red:

There is no compulsion in Allah’s Religion

[Quran 2:256] Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust-worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

[Quran 8:39] And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” (Quran 8:39)

(Sahih Muslim 1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat."

(Bukhari 2:24)."Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah

The words of Allah is not subject to change

[Quran 6:115] Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught (nothing) that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

[Quran 2:106] Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things? Here allah changes his words by replacement after saying his words cannot change.

Abraham and Ishmael were in Mecca and built Kaaba

[Quran 2:127] And when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the House, (Abraham prayed): Our Lord! Accept from us (this duty). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower.

[Quran 34:44 YusufAli] But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners. "Nor sent messengers to them before Muhammad as Warners" after he had said Abraham and Ishmael were there as messengers and built Kaaba.

Christianity, Sabaeanism and Islam are all acceptable to Allah

[Quran 2:62] Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

[Quran 3:85] If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

[Quran 9:17] It is not for such as join gods with Allah, to visit or maintain the mosques of Allah while they witness against their own souls to infidelity. The works of such bear no fruit: In Fire shall they dwell.

All of Allah’s Messengers are equal

[Q uran 2:285] The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

[Quran 2:253] We have made some of these messengers to excel the others among them are they to whom Allah spoke, and some of them He exalted by (many degrees of) rank; and We gave clear miracles to Isa son of Marium, and strengthened him with the holy spirit. And if Allah had pleased, those after them would not have fought one with another after clear arguments had come to them, but they disagreed; so there were some of them who believed and others who denied; and if Allah had pleased they would not have fought one with another, but Allah brings about what He intends.

How to treat infidels

[Quran 9:29]Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel them-selves subdued.

[Quran 45:14] Tell those who believe,to forgive[/b]those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: It is for Him to re-compense (for good or ill) each People according to what they have earned.

[b]Do the Jews love or hate each other?

[Quran 5:51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends;they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[Quran 5:64] And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief;and We have put enmity and hatred among them till the day of resurrection[/b]whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers.

[b]Muslims cannot marry non-muslim women

[Quran 2:221]Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters),until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.

[Quran 5:5] This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women[b]and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book be-fore you (are lawful for you);[/b]when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

Quran was sent to the Arabs

[Quran 41:44] Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"

[Qurani 4:174] O mankind! verily there hath come to you a convincing proof from your Lord: For We have sent unto you a light (that is) manifest

Muslims probe and let's have your findings.

What Is Tawafii
"At-Tawaffi": is to take something completely. It is for this reason that it is also used for death, because at the time of death Allah takes man's soul away from his body.

See, for example, the following verses where "Tawafi"is used: "... Our messengers take him completely ( i. e., cause him to die.)" {surah al-An'am: 61

"And they say:" What! when we have become lost in the earth, shall we then indeed be in a new creation?". ..

Say:" The angel of death who is given charge of you shall take you completely (i. e., cause you to die), then to your Lord you shall be brought back" {Sajdah:10 - 11}

"Allah takes completely the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term..." {Zumar: 42}

Pondering on the last two verses you will see that the Qur'an has not used "at-tawaffi in the meaning of death, rather the word gives the idea of taking and preserving. In other words, when at-tawaffi is used for death, it is not because it means death; rather it is used to emphasize the connotation of taking and preserving, to show and establish that man's soul does not perish, is not destroyed by death - - contrary to what ignorant people think; Allah keeps and preserves it until comes the time to return it to its body for resurrection. At other places where this sense is not involved, Allah uses the word Al-mawt (death), and not at-tawaffi.

"at-tawaffi"

It all shows that at-tawaffi does not necessarily mean death.

"Surely we killed the Messiah, Isa son of Maryam, the messenger of Allah;" and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so) like `Isa (; and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture; and they killed him not for sure. Rather, Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. And there is not one of the people of the Book but most certainly shall believe in him before his death and on the Day of Resurrection he (`Isa) shall be a witness against them" {surah Nisa: 157 - 159}

BetaThings:
The New Testament was not revealed this morning
It was always present and recited during every highly offensive war waged by Christians
They had the NT during the Crusades, The Wars of Religion, the Inquisition, The Doctrine of Discovery, killing of witches
Christians had it when they used "task from God" to justify the war in Iraq about 10 years ago


The Jews were never in the good book of Christians
They were killed even during the plague because they (Jews) were not dying at the same rate as the Christians
Jews were forbidden from holding property in Christian Europe
Jews were persecuted all over Europe
When done the Christians now dumped in the lap of Muslims
The land being fought over by all the sides is smaller than California OR Texas
How come the loving Christians did not show their love by making room for them in the US?
And Canada has just 30m people and it is the 2nd largest space in the World
Why not create the state of Israel there?
Oh, if you want to refer to History that it was the land of their forefathers
How come Christians did not respect land of forefathers of the indigenous Indians in the US or the Aborigines in Australia
Or are we about to see the resettlement of these "original" owners of the land very soon like we are seeing in Israel
The truth is that from time

malvisguy212: true talk Bro,know this that whatever you do,God will bless you,everytin you do it is between you and God. Satan don't have anytin to do with his children [muslims]he only pay attention to the HOUSEHOLD OF GOD.just take up your cross and follow christ.

logicboy01: OP needs some re-education

graciousolo: Oh! How i wish I was even Seun ryt now. I for delete the post and the poster for trying to stir up strive.

graciousolo: Pls Mod delete this post.