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Culture / Re: Yorubas Too Dey Lie, The History Of Ogiame And The Oba Rift by gregyboy(m): 6:48pm On Dec 05, 2023
Christistruth00:



grin

If Ooni of Ife turns up in benin and Claims the Throne and Kingdom of benin he too is also right


Ok, Let us look at the praise names of oba of benin

One of it is
Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).
(Odua of Ife is the same as oduduwa of Ife)

Another of oba of benin's praise names is

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila
oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula
Which was his Title

Notice there is no mention at all of any Ekhalerderhan of Igodomigodo or izoduwa a whole Crown Prince of Benin that got lost and the renowned Accomplished Benin Palace Praise singers are not at all interested in his case
It can only be a lie

They did not mention and neither are they looking for the lost Ekhalerderhan .

izoduwa too is not happening anywhere in oba of benin's praise names but they called Oduduwa , the great Odua of Ife his Father

So with their own mouths they themselves have already given the evidence that fully demolished and destroyed their case which had no legs to stand on in the first place and have confirmed with your own Mouth that the oba of benin was indeed oduduwa's Son
There is nothing left to drag because it is settled

Read this

The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware

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Culture / Re: Yorubas Too Dey Lie, The History Of Ogiame And The Oba Rift by gregyboy(m): 5:45am On Dec 05, 2023
Mraphel:

Also the history of all the 40 past Obas were forged also? Eweka too was forged?
Even the the disposed Ogisos that nearly won Oba of Benin in Court four years ago never disputed history.
They all have evidences of Oranmiyan in their history.
Hatred of Oranmiyan because of Yoruba is an hatred if all the Oba of Benin.


Did you read this very history on this thread or you skipped it, I never said ogiso was a lie, they were not just one ogiso

Ogiame history it's a Benin based history that didn't involve yoruba

The name Benin was from itsekiri warnings

While we are at that read this
If truly yoruba or oromiyan came and found Benin, why is there any yoruba corrupted names, title that ls found in the oba palace why is the oba and the chiefs not dressing like yoruba? why is the oba palace not speaking yoruba and why is there no yoruba idols in the palace I begin to wonder if the yorubas are using this cheap lies to win an argument over the Benin people, lastly have there been anyone who will deny is father for any reason if truly the oba of Benin is from Ife why is the oba of Benin saying otherwise

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Culture / Re: Yorubas Too Dey Lie, The History Of Ogiame And The Oba Rift by gregyboy(m): 9:08pm On Dec 04, 2023
Mraphel:

No be force na truth and correct history. If an Akoko Edo man with Yoruba name is contesting for a position or someone from Usen. I am sure your likes will not vote him but na Yoruba Oba u dey use brag up and down not even your defeated Ogisos.


Guess what same history I have been pasting for you for years is gaining likes by your own yoruba people on Facebook, even if you refuse to accept the truth your children will that is for sure

Am schooling your own yoruba people their real history on fb and on X
Culture / Re: Yorubas Too Dey Lie, The History Of Ogiame And The Oba Rift by gregyboy(m): 8:52pm On Dec 04, 2023
Mraphel:

No be force na truth and correct history. If an Akoko Edo man with Yoruba name is contesting for a position or someone from Usen. I am sure your likes will not vote him but na Yoruba Oba u dey use brag up and down not even your defeated Ogisos.


Read my screenshot please

provide me Any Evidence Of Benin-ife Connection Prior To 1475 To 1914, written or artefact wise

The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware


If truly yoruba or oromiyan came and found Benin, why is there any yoruba corrupted names, title that ls found in the oba palace why is the oba and the chiefs not dressing like yoruba? why is the oba palace not speaking yoruba and why is there no yoruba idols in the palace I begin to wonder if the yorubas are using this cheap lies to win an argument over the Benin people, lastly have there been anyone who will deny is father for any reason if truly the oba of Benin is from Ife why is the oba of Benin saying otherwise

Culture / Re: Yorubas Too Dey Lie, The History Of Ogiame And The Oba Rift by gregyboy(m): 8:49pm On Dec 04, 2023
Mraphel:

The pictures are not the same. the igala people are closer to Yoruba in culture reason u lied is an Igala?
It seems you're paid on this forum to lie about the truth.
But you cannot erased Yoruba history in Benin.
You think we don't know how you people discriminate Edos bearing Yoruba names?


So the white people who did the research used their money to travel to Nigeria do the research and also have acess to all Benin artworks for proper examining are lying

Did you go through the screenshot

I can only belive you if you post a yoruba man recent or ancient with that regalia the man wore on the horse or you're nothing but a bigot

Did you read my writeup.. At all


Read this extras

The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement that the oba of Benin heads were being buried in Ife, was a benin historian with the name Dr jacob Egharevba.
Egharevba earliest work is a mix of oral traditions and speculation which he corrected in his later works, however as a matter of fact it's a traditional practice in Benin that kings of the various vassals state, under Benin control would come back to bury the previous king heads in Benin in order to notify the oba that the previous monarchy was dead this journey to Benin can only be carried out by the incoming successor who will stay in Benin for months or years to learn the ways of the Benins before going back to take his father's position as king. however this practice was never a tradition in ile-Ife as no other of the supposed oduduwa sons had a burial site making it suspecious and fallacious from Egharevba who was equipped with the Benin oral history and had mix oral tradition of the Benins with his imagination to forge the orun oba ado tradition which he termed in his book `Ile Ife the final resting place of the oba of Benin' Egharevba had writing with no consultation or whatsoever and was not even close to the palace to begin with, his works lacked referencing other than just pure selfish intrest he could derive from the then watern region the edos where under at that time, Frank Willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place was empty and nothing was found in them it is of most importance to note that at the time the supposed myth of oromiyan visit to benin, her name was still called igodomigodo and not yet ado that originated from oba ewaure a long distance predecessor of oba eweka 1
Culture / Re: Yorubas Too Dey Lie, The History Of Ogiame And The Oba Rift by gregyboy(m): 7:51pm On Dec 04, 2023
Mraphel:

Shut it there bro the Binis are Yorubas. The Oba in Benin na Yoruba.
Are u an Idu man?
Anytime you mention d Bini, Ile-ibinu, Oba you're mentioning Yoruba.



grin grin cheesy this one na force o by fire by force even without evidence
Culture / Orun Oba Ado By Sir Jacob Egharevba, Ile Ife The Resting Place Of The Oba by gregyboy(m): 6:14pm On Dec 04, 2023
The untrue history of Jacob Egharevba popular works - orun oba ado

The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement that the oba of Benin heads were being buried in Ife, was a benin historian with the name Dr jacob Egharevba.
Egharevba earliest work is a mix of oral traditions and speculation which he corrected in his later works, however as a matter of fact it's a traditional practice in Benin that kings of the various vassals state, under Benin control would come back to bury the previous king heads in Benin in order to notify the oba that the previous monarchy was dead this journey to Benin can only be carried out by the incoming successor who will stay in Benin for months or years to learn the ways of the Benins before going back to take his father's position as king. however this practice was never a tradition in ile-Ife as no other of the supposed oduduwa sons had a burial site making it suspecious and fallacious from Egharevba who was equipped with the Benin oral history and had mix oral tradition of the Benins with his imagination to forge the orun oba ado tradition which he termed in his book `Ile Ife the final resting place of the oba of Benin' Egharevba had writing with no consultation or whatsoever and was not even close to the palace to begin with, his works lacked referencing other than just pure selfish intrest he could derive from the then watern region the edos where under at that time, Frank Willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place was empty and nothing was found in them it is of most importance to note that at the time the supposed myth of oromiyan visit to benin, her name was still called igodomigodo and not yet ado that originated from oba ewaure a long distance predecessor of oba eweka 1
Culture / Re: Oba Of Benin Went To Ile Ife To See Where They Buried Past Oba's Of Benin by gregyboy(m): 6:09pm On Dec 04, 2023
The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement that the oba of Benin heads were being buried in Ife, was a benin historian with the name Dr jacob Egharevba.
Egharevba earliest work is a mix of oral traditions and speculation which he corrected in his later works, however as a matter of fact it's a traditional practice in Benin that kings of the various vassals state, under Benin control would come back to bury the previous king heads in Benin in order to notify the oba that the previous monarchy was dead this journey to Benin can only be carried out by the incoming successor who will stay in Benin for months or years to learn the ways of the Benins before going back to take his father's position as king. however this practice was never a tradition in ile-Ife as no other of the supposed oduduwa sons had a burial site making it suspecious and fallacious from Egharevba who was equipped with the Benin oral history and had mix oral tradition of the Benins with his imagination to forge the orun oba ado tradition which he termed in his book `Ile Ife the final resting place of the oba of Benin' Egharevba had writing with no consultation or whatsoever and was not even close to the palace to begin with, his works lacked referencing other than just pure selfish intrest he could derive from the then watern region the edos where under at that time, Frank Willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place was empty and nothing was found in them it is of most importance to note that at the time the supposed myth of oromiyan visit to benin, her name was still called igodomigodo and not yet ado that originated from oba ewaure a long distance predecessor of oba eweka 1
Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 5:59pm On Dec 04, 2023
TruthsFM:
most of past Obas of Benin was buried in ile ife. Check google on it.


The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement that the oba of Benin heads were being buried in Ife, was a benin historian with the name Dr jacob Egharevba.
Egharevba earliest work is a mix of oral traditions and speculation which he corrected in his later works, however as a matter of fact it's a traditional practice in Benin that kings of the various vassals state, under Benin control would come back to bury the previous king heads in Benin in order to notify the oba that the previous monarchy was dead this journey to Benin can only be carried out by the incoming successor who will stay in Benin for months or years to learn the ways of the Benins before going back to take his father's position as king. however this practice was never a tradition in ile-Ife as no other of the supposed oduduwa sons had a burial site making it suspecious and fallacious from Egharevba who was equipped with the Benin oral history and had mix oral tradition of the Benins with his imagination to forge the orun oba ado tradition which he termed in his book `Ile Ife the final resting place of the oba of Benin' Egharevba had writing with no consultation or whatsoever and was not even close to the palace to begin with, his works lacked referencing other than just pure selfish intrest he could derive from the then watern region the edos where under at that time, Frank Willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place was empty and nothing was found in them it is of most importance to note that at the time the supposed myth of oromiyan visit to benin, her name was still called igodomigodo and not yet ado that originated from oba ewaure a long distance predecessor of oba eweka 1
Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 4:36pm On Dec 04, 2023
raskymonojendor:
Prayed for the Ooni of Ife and the Alaafin of Oyo. Bini empire was under The Alaafin as well👇

Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 4:32pm On Dec 04, 2023
raskymonojendor:

Of course they share a close tie because the Yoruba conquered Bini via Oranmiyan...even their kind prays for his fore bearers.


As we may have it Benin wasn't organised or a powerful kingdom in the early times, in the beginning they were several villages who had Thier various leaders called ogiso they were several ogiso( sky kings) in the various settlement of Benin. at this time Benin was not one, the various settlement with their own ogiso existed independently. there were no one ruler, until a man called evian, killed a spiritual beast that had been disturbing the various villages surrounding Benin. which the various Ogiso heads couldn't handle and he found favour in the Benin community and the villagers came together to make him the oba of igodo. he ascended the throne as eweka the first
He was blessed with mystical powers and the people likened him as the son of a God, the Ogiso who refused to surrender their sovereignty where forced and the kingdom was formed, this several ogiso heads became chiefs in the new kingdom called ogidomigofo
Which later renamed as edo during oba ewaure reign and turned Benin during the Portuguese arrival who had corrupted Ile binu from the itsekiri warnings that had earlier told them not to venture into Benin City during their arrival and inquisition about the edo people
Years after eweka had died his son expanded the kingdom further Benin on several occasion
Lost some villages under the kingdom that had to be brought back through force, the king of the sea (ogiamen) was a powerful ruler who had ruled the river banks of Benin is territory was independent of Benin even when the Benin kingdom was long establish, oba ewakpe who was a conquerer had waged war on his kingdom that lasted for years but his kingdom was too strong to be defeated lots of lives was lost until an agreement was reached by the ogiamen that Benin would one day take over his territory which was a sure thing, because Benin was flourishing and expanding unlike his territory and that if they have to join Benin that the oba of Benin would respect is terms,and that every oba that ascends the throne would always come and buy his sovereignty from his family at every coronation in terms of paying homage and that if the contract is broken they can choose to live the kingdom, this practice continued for centuries until after Benin empire was brought down by the British and that tradition was stopped by the oba, the only way the ogiame family could use to attack the oba was by false acclimation Of his illegitimacy

Just the way the yoruba were brought into one canopy by awolowo during the formation of Nigeria so as evian who became the first oba of Benin united the kingdom

The Benin kingdom consist of the 36 Benin families

The Benin empire consist of lagos, ondo, ekiti, delta and Co....

The yorubas and other tribes that have issues with the oba of Benin would always use the screenshot to support their claims that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, not until you ask them, if there is any trace of yoruba titles or names or even idols in the oba palace that can trace that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, then they will be left dumbfounded
Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 4:27pm On Dec 04, 2023
anonymous1759:


I Stan with you , even the name Oba is “Yoruba”
If Benin truly found Lagos you’ll still see traces of Benin legacies in Lagos, but that’s not the case . Just as British foot print will always be on it’s colonies . Even in America you’ll still see British foot print some of their Towns and street are British names .
Everybody wants to trend but it’s better to use your basic Analogy to dissect.


The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware
Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 4:19pm On Dec 04, 2023
raskymonojendor:

Map 👇
They never covered Lagos.

. Oyo empire never existed
Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 4:05pm On Dec 04, 2023
Christistruth00:


Gregboy ! give us the Previous Oba of Benin Praise names that you mentioned the pre 1914 Amalgamation ones !!

If you don't know don't reply then

Answer mine first you're not the only yoruba I am schooling o, make it snappy
Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 4:03pm On Dec 04, 2023
Christistruth00:


Gregboy ! give us the Previous Oba of Benin Praise names that you mentioned the pre 1914 Amalgamation ones !!

If you don't know don't reply then


Answer mine first you're not the only yoruba I am schooling o, make it snappy
Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 4:01pm On Dec 04, 2023
raskymonojendor:

100% too.



The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware

Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 3:53pm On Dec 04, 2023
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Putinofrussia:

Oba Eweka 1 of Benin and all subsequent Obas of Benin were Yoruba.
The first king of Lagos was a Yoruba man from Benin who met the Aworis who were also Yorubas.

History cannot be twisted because you want to cheat the Ogiamien family who fortunately,has evidence with them.


The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware
Yoruba founded a part of Benin that uses Oba....Ogiamien of Benin..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/amp





[b]High Chief Esotericist Monday Wehere, JP explained further: “What is today known as Benin Kingdom started as Igodomigodo nine centuries ago. It was founded by Ogiso Igodo and it existed for 300 years before King Orominyan of Ife invaded Benin. During that invasion, Orominyan fought without any success. Before then, Orominyan came to Benin with a strategy. He brought a large number of Yoruba men into Benin long before the proper expedition. These men went into relationships with our daughters who started having children for them. By the time Orominyan came to attack Benin in 11th Century, the number of the Yoruba-born children was high. In spite of this, however, he still failed in his attack.

When Orominyan was returning to Ile-Ife without achieving his aim, as one of the strategies they invented, he deliberately impregnated a princess, the daughter of an “Enigie” – duke or king in Benin under the then Ogiso. The princess’ name was Elimide. He left her behind before returning to Ife. It was Princess Elimide that gave birth to the first Oba of Benin, Oba Eweka 1, who, after becoming an adult, was invited back to Ile-Ife, alongside other children they had secretly produced through our daughters without our knowing their game-plan.

Up till today, they still live in a place called Yoruba Quarters in Benin City. It was at that Ile-Ife meeting, which had Eweka in attendance that these children were told the reasons they were given birth to in Benin, that it was Oba Orominyan’s desire to use them to overthrow the then Ogiso Erebo and his dynasty, which was then known as Igodomigodo. They were all made to swear to an oath never to betray Eweka, who was to become the Oba of Benin, if they eventually succeeded.

Expectedly, this particular war was protracted as many people died on both sides. The carnage was much. It was, however, difficult for the then Ogiso to use extra force, as he felt his grandchildren were being used in the war. He kept saying the children being used by the Oba to prosecute his war were children of Benin daughters, even though they were now supporting their father’s side to fight the Ogiso.

It was at this point a truce was called. As there were no victor and no vanquished, Ogiso Erebo was told there was no way this large number of children born by Benin women for Yoruba men could be repatriated, since they had already been integrated into the heart of Igodomigodo. He was told the only way to maintain peace was for him to divide Igodomigodo into two kingdoms. Let the oba take a part, while he would hold on to the other part.


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The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware
Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 3:52pm On Dec 04, 2023
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Putinofrussia:

Oba Eweka 1 of Benin and all subsequent Obas of Benin were Yoruba.
The first king of Lagos was a Yoruba man from Benin who met the Aworis who were also Yorubas.

History cannot be twisted because you want to cheat the Ogiamien family who fortunately,has evidence with them.


The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware
Yoruba founded a part of Benin that uses Oba....Ogiamien of Benin..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/amp





[b]High Chief Esotericist Monday Wehere, JP explained further: “What is today known as Benin Kingdom started as Igodomigodo nine centuries ago. It was founded by Ogiso Igodo and it existed for 300 years before King Orominyan of Ife invaded Benin. During that invasion, Orominyan fought without any success. Before then, Orominyan came to Benin with a strategy. He brought a large number of Yoruba men into Benin long before the proper expedition. These men went into relationships with our daughters who started having children for them. By the time Orominyan came to attack Benin in 11th Century, the number of the Yoruba-born children was high. In spite of this, however, he still failed in his attack.

When Orominyan was returning to Ile-Ife without achieving his aim, as one of the strategies they invented, he deliberately impregnated a princess, the daughter of an “Enigie” – duke or king in Benin under the then Ogiso. The princess’ name was Elimide. He left her behind before returning to Ife. It was Princess Elimide that gave birth to the first Oba of Benin, Oba Eweka 1, who, after becoming an adult, was invited back to Ile-Ife, alongside other children they had secretly produced through our daughters without our knowing their game-plan.

Up till today, they still live in a place called Yoruba Quarters in Benin City. It was at that Ile-Ife meeting, which had Eweka in attendance that these children were told the reasons they were given birth to in Benin, that it was Oba Orominyan’s desire to use them to overthrow the then Ogiso Erebo and his dynasty, which was then known as Igodomigodo. They were all made to swear to an oath never to betray Eweka, who was to become the Oba of Benin, if they eventually succeeded.

Expectedly, this particular war was protracted as many people died on both sides. The carnage was much. It was, however, difficult for the then Ogiso to use extra force, as he felt his grandchildren were being used in the war. He kept saying the children being used by the Oba to prosecute his war were children of Benin daughters, even though they were now supporting their father’s side to fight the Ogiso.

It was at this point a truce was called. As there were no victor and no vanquished, Ogiso Erebo was told there was no way this large number of children born by Benin women for Yoruba men could be repatriated, since they had already been integrated into the heart of Igodomigodo. He was told the only way to maintain peace was for him to divide Igodomigodo into two kingdoms. Let the oba take a part, while he would hold on to the other part.


[/b]
Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 3:43pm On Dec 04, 2023
Christistruth00:



Gregboy ! give us the Previous Oba of Benin Praise names that you mentioned the pre 1914 Amalgamation ones !!


Answer mine first completely then I will answer yours then when you can use both to compare

While at it

Read my works if you don't read them others are reading tho silently


Are you aware the name ijebu was unintentionally given to them by the edo people but your leaders won't tell you because it has a sad background attached to it, the Benins had always raided the ijebu people for sacrificial slaves for our idols and so when the European inquired about them, the Benin said oo, you mean the tubu people this were the sound they made when the Benins dropped their corpse inside the river, and the European corrupted tubu to ijebu

Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 3:28pm On Dec 04, 2023
Christistruth00:


It is not invalid
Otherwise why is Benin Palace using it

It was you who said that it was ex 1914 Amalgamation praise names for Oba Of Benin

Oya give us the previous one

Screenshot boy

Because it's a fun game that emerged in the western region the game of supremacy that has no base in real history reason why he is the first oba to list it there

Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 3:26pm On Dec 04, 2023
Christistruth00:


So why did Egherevba Benin Historian write about the founding of the Oba dynasty by Oranmiyan and why did the Oba Of Benin reward him by making him a high Chief afterwards

As we speak the Oba Of Benin's Palace has listed Oranmiyan as the first Oba of Benin

It is you calling them liars

This is the same Oba Of Benin declaring Oranmiyan to be the first Oba of Benin

It is you who said that he is lying


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qk8LO4t1OY?si=5h5JZUHTJ9LA2-j2

Oba of Benin rewarded him your source please
Refrence

Lastly are you aware most of his earliest works were rewritten and corrected by him
grin grin

Maybe you should read his works and not rely on hearsay
Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 3:20pm On Dec 04, 2023
Christistruth00:



You always love going off point gregboy

That is the Current Oba Of Benin Praise names

Anyway present the Pre Amalgamation Oba of Benin Praise names so we can see if Ekhalerderhan and Izoduwa are there I know they were not because even in the 15th Century Oba of Benin told the Portuguese that Ooni of Ife was his father

By the way Ife also Founded Benin and the Ogiso dynasty there

Thank you for say it is the Current praise name meaning it's invalud

Is the praise name or the author have any ifilation to the palace of the oba of Benin, because anybody can go to the Internet thesedays and write anything

I already know it's current I just wanted you to say it with your mouth

So who is the author to were you saw the praise name does the author have ant affiliation the palace and where his is source of information coming from


Read this

https://www.nairaland.com/7683383/another-reason-why-benin-ife


Ogiso
https://www.nairaland.com/7928662/yorubas-too-dey-lie-history#127271150
Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 3:11pm On Dec 04, 2023
Christistruth00:



You always love going off point gregboy

That is the Current Oba Of Benin Praise names

Anyway present the Pre Amalgamation Oba of Benin Praise names so we can see if Ekhalerderhan and Izoduwa are there I know they were not because even in the 15th Century Oba of Benin told the Portuguese that Ooni of Ife was his father

By the way Ife also Founded Benin and the Ogiso dynasty there


Evidence to everything you say
Atleast mske refrence, put screenshot

Read this

The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware

Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 2:16pm On Dec 04, 2023
Christistruth00:







Oduduwa was the first Oba of the 2nd dynasty of Ife Kings


grin

If Ooni of Ife turns up in benin and Claims the Throne and Kingdom of benin he too is also right


Ok, Let us look at the praise names of oba of benin

One of it is
Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).
(Odua of Ife is the same as oduduwa of Ife)

Another of oba of benin's praise names is

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila
oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula
Which was his Title

Notice there is no mention at all of any Ekhalerderhan of Igodomigodo or izoduwa a whole Crown Prince of Benin that got lost and the renowned Accomplished Benin Palace Praise singers are not at all interested in his case
It can only be a lie

They did not mention and neither are they looking for the lost Ekhalerderhan .

izoduwa too is not happening anywhere in oba of benin's praise names but they called Oduduwa , the great Odua of Ife his Father

So with their own mouths they themselves have already given the evidence that fully demolished and destroyed their case which had no legs to stand on in the first place and have confirmed with your own Mouth that the oba of benin was indeed oduduwa's Son
There is nothing left to drag because it is settled




Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe>>^ can I see the refrence the date it was published and the authority any evidence presented after 1914 meaning after amalgamation is invalid



Why we are that


Read this

https://www.nairaland.com/7683383/another-reason-why-benin-ife

https://www.nairaland.com/7928662/yorubas-too-dey-lie-history#127271150


Answer this

If truly yoruba or oromiyan came and found Benin, why is there any yoruba corrupted names, title that ls found in the oba palace why is the oba and the chiefs not dressing like yoruba? why is the oba palace not speaking yoruba and why is there no yoruba idols in the palace I begin to wonder if the yorubas are using this cheap lies to win an argument over the Benin people, lastly have there been anyone who will deny is father for any reason if truly the oba of Benin is from Ife why is the oba of Benin saying otherwise


Answer this


provide me Any Evidence Of Benin-ife Connection Prior To 1475 To 1914, written or artefact wise


Read this


The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware


Lastly checkout my screenshot

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Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 12:55pm On Dec 04, 2023
Supremos:
Stop telling lies as it please you. I'm neither Yoruba nor Benin, but I think this issue of Yoruba starting Benin Royal lineage has been over discussed and Benin people refuted that claim


Thank you

They always use the false history to massage their ego after a Benin history humiliating them pops up

It's simple after the oba made the statement on how lagos belongs to Benin in the visitation he could have just said we all are yorubas and from oduduwa if he indeed by into such ideology

Read this when you can

The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware

Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 12:18pm On Dec 04, 2023
Supremos:
And you didn't see the owned in parenthesis?.

By the way, that's how vanguard reported.

Apparently you didn't read the interview, you're only here to run around.

The woman said it's not all parts of Lagos.

She said she's of Benin lineage.

The owned is in parenthesis.
Rest. Ewu

It's all part, benin found in lagos boss

The influence was only dominant in lagos island

My screenshot badary to island and even ijebu was under Benin control

Politics / Re: Eko Row: Benin People ‘Owned’ Lagos, Awori Paid Royalties To Them - Erelu Abiola by gregyboy(m): 12:14pm On Dec 04, 2023
Enugurangers:

The truth is the Yoruba >>>>>>Benin..
Yorubas expanded all the way from Ife to all over west Africa. Benin instead shrunk and never expanded. Benin language is only spoken in Benin, they worship Yoruba gods too. Their royal line was started by a Yoruba man. They met Aworis all over Lagos. The tiny region they occupied for a while in Lagos is an extremely tiny faction that they also could not hold for long. Ashipa is a Yoruba man.

No amount of revisionist will alter the truth.

Ife found Benin in your dream

https://www.nairaland.com/7683383/another-reason-why-benin-ife


https://www.nairaland.com/7928662/yorubas-too-dey-lie-history#127271150
Culture / Re: Yorubas Too Dey Lie, The History Of Ogiame And The Oba Rift by gregyboy(m): 10:13am On Dec 04, 2023
Mraphel:

Oranmiyan history was forged by the western region? What kinda lunatic thinking is that? Are you saying Oba of Benin history in Edo was forged?
Have been told u Benin people are Starck illiterate. Why have bronze casted of Oranmiyan in Benin of over 1500 years old.
Your Oba palace recognized Oranmiyan as the First Oba during the Coronation making him 40th Oba.
We have many streets named after Oranmiyan in Edo state.
Please think deeply before quoting a Yoruba man not just assume things.

Pic attached. Oranmiyan was the first to brought Eshin (horse) to Edo state. The bronze depicted Oranmiyan as an Oba here.

Eshin (horse)

Abebe

Ada

All these are Yoruba words from Ife and instruments brought by Oranmiyan during his warfare in Igodomigodo land.


Do you know who you're talking to you're vividly aware when we trash this horse and the artefact entirely when tao presented it


So why are you still bring it up

By the way this is a 16century artwork and can't be your imaginary oromiyan in Benin
Benin create their artwork immediately an event took place and not many years after, when the people who experienced it may have died, this is an igala warrior as we know in history benin and igala went to war in the 16century with Benin coming out victorious and horses were taken as spoils of war, so benin trading relationship with igala brought horses to Benin even before the idah war

That hair dress could also be a benin soldier on the horse

First pics below

Second pics below shows this horse men you tagg oromiyan are nupe warriors that Benins depicted after their wars with them which match the date of the artworks

Culture / Re: The Truth About Yorubas And Benin Connection by gregyboy(m): 11:08pm On Dec 03, 2023
[quote author=EquitableTech post=127299005]

Why is the Oba using Yoruba name of King title Oba? Is Oba a Benin word?
answer me small underage boy.

Ogiso is benin version of Oba while Yoruba is Oba.
Oba of Benin lineage is from Yoruba while Ogisos are the aborigin of Benin and Ogiso is the title of their King. Befor Oba of Benin can be crowned till today, he must pay for the purchase of the land from the Ogisos...that signifies Ogisos as permanent landlord and the Oba of Benin as permanent tenant.
The question u should ask urself now is where does the Oba of Benin originate from...why is he regarded as a pamernent tenant in benin? Why does he have to pay for the purchase of the land before he can be crowned?
The answer is simple....He's the offspring of Oranmiyan, son of Okanbi, the only son of Oduduwa from Ile-Ife Oodaye.[/quote

Click this to read about ogiso rulership


https://www.nairaland.com/7928662/yorubas-too-dey-lie-history#127271150
Culture / Re: The Truth About Yorubas And Benin Connection by gregyboy(m): 11:06pm On Dec 03, 2023
EquitableTech:


Why is the Oba using Yoruba name of King title Oba? Is Oba a Benin word?
answer me small underage boy.

Ogiso is benin version of Oba while Yoruba is Oba.
Oba of Benin lineage is from Yoruba while Ogisos are the aborigin of Benin and Ogiso is the title of their King. Befor Oba of Benin can be crowned till today, he must pay for the purchase of the land from the Ogisos...that signifies Ogisos as permanent landlord and the Oba of Benin as permanent tenant.
The question u should ask urself now is where does the Oba of Benin originate from...why is he regarded as a pamernent tenant in benin? Why does he have to pay for the purchase of the land before he can be crowned?
The answer is simple....He's the offspring of Oranmiyan, son of Okanbi, the only son of Oduduwa from Ile-Ife Oodaye.

provide me Any Evidence Of Benin-ife Connection Prior To 1475 To 1914, written or artefact wise

Read this while I await your answer

The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware
Culture / Re: Yorubas Too Dey Lie, The History Of Ogiame And The Oba Rift by gregyboy(m): 11:04pm On Dec 03, 2023
Mraphel:

Truth will come very soon that will overtake the lies your palace dey lie up and down. Alawure of Usen still senior your Ogiso of Benin.

I don't regard him as Oba again. Your palace nearly remove Oba Oranmiyan from Benin history all because he came from Ile-Ife. He was the real warrior that established Obaship and disposed Ogisos of Igodomigodo. but they couldn't. They forgot Oranmiyan is not only part of Benin history but part of several town that migrated out of Benin and Ile-ife history even in SS and SW.


provide me Any Evidence Of Benin-ife Connection Prior To 1475 To 1914, written or physical evidence


Read this while I await your answer

The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware
Culture / Re: Yorubas Too Dey Lie, The History Of Ogiame And The Oba Rift by gregyboy(m): 10:50pm On Dec 03, 2023
tollyboy5:

Yebou x= ijebu
Since the british came ijebu were called jebu in their earliest report.
Your screenshot no talk anything. ASk your ogiso about the Ijebu why benin feared awujale

Dey play was there a define spelling then for tribes people spell as they pronounce and it was not only the british that ventured into our shores

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