ednited:


I heard there was a problem in Dire and I got really shocked because Dire is a very peaceful city. I have friends and neighbors from there and they are the coolest and friendly Ethiopians.

If you were there a week ago, that means thing have settled. Thank God.

I had chances to go to Dire but I couldn't make it because of time. I sure will one day!

Dire has a very good mix of people which I believe is important for any big city.

It was a bit tense when I first arrived there earlier this month. However things have calmed down and I believe the government is serious about clamping down on violent protests.

It would be a lot easier if they worked with the government when they feel bereaved rather than protest and cause death.

rvp2018:
Somalia should concentrated on kicking out Alshabab and international terror. I don't know why they are all over the map trying to antagonize kenya that is helping them - hosting many of her refugees, it's defence forces fighting alshabaab right in Somalia and Nairobi really is the un-official HQ of somali.

Somalia will not be amount to much until they deal with their misplaced pride. Why are they even trying to auction oil blocks near kenya border. They have like the longest coastline in Africa. It's pure total provocation.

Honestly if Somalia was to be ever peaceful - it will cause regional instability - like they used to do in 1970s & 1980s.

Didn’t you guys just say that Kenya is creating a buffer state within Somalia and whilst interfering and undermining its sovereignty? You can’t claim to help Somalia, if your real agenda is to weaken it by creating internal divisions. It doesn’t work both ways so Kenya must choose which side it wants to be on.

Ethiopia has chosen to unequivocally support the government of Somalia by visiting the capital and establishing a base model for an integrated Horn of Africa and also included Eritrea and Djibouti in the talks.

If Kenya was sincere about helping Somalia, they would do the same. Ethiopia has also hosted millions of Somali refugees from Somalia despite old disagreements. This is why the public are now more receptive to a Somali-Ethiopian alliance.

You are correct in that Somalia should focus on eliminating Alshabaab, however the government believes that’s some former Alshabaab members in the Jubaland administration are still in cahoots with the group and is illegally funding them via the charcoal and contraband sugar trade.

Also if you look at the meeting between Somalia and the investors, the oil blocks in the disputed area are not in the map nor are they up for auction. I’ve reviewed both. You’ll see the same as well if you look back at the documents too.

ednited:


Don't you understand Amharic? I was asking how dire dawa was doing. .

Dire Dawa is as beautiful as ever. I was there 1 week ago and I already wanna go back.

Have you ever been?

ednited:



Selam new?? Dire endet nech ahun? teregagtalech? Chigir tefetro endeneber semche neber. . . ene ke Addis Ababa negn. . .

Selam. I can understand what you’re saying, but my Amarigna is so bad. I wasn’t raised in Ethiopia so I can only say basic phrases

Are there any other Ethiopians here?

darfay:



Why the division of y'all are one ethnic nationality

Somalis have never been united in one state. Even today we are divided between 4 countries - Somalia, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Kenya. Also there are more Somalis outside of Somalia then inside it.

Jonraid:
Be assured that Madobe will get assistance be it monetary or of any other kind from the Nairobi's government! Jubaland was created to be a buffer state to the Eastern of Kenya and Somalia!

This could lead to a lot of problems. The more Somalia wins over the west, the more this whole Jubaland project goes into jeopardy.

This will only work if Kenya makes it’s agenda hidden and plays its cards right. If Somalia wins the ICJ case for the maritime border, the next step is to rid itself of anti-government factions within the country.

Jonraid:
Some Somali Kenyan leaders have been touted as one of the creators of the Jubaland state,what's your view on this ?

It’s all clan-driven. The clan that dominates Jubaland is the same clan that’s the majority in the NEP region of Kenya. They want to consolidate power in order to have more say in Kenya and/or in Somalia. It’s a purely strategic move that plays two states against each other.

I think Jubaland will stay for a long time under Kenyan influence, well as long as Madobe’s clan stays top dog there anyway.

darfay:



Are Somali languages intelligible with each other

Well most people say that the Somali language is one. But there are dialects within the language that are spoken locally that are sometimes hard to understand.

For example, there is a dialect called Maay and I don’t understand it at all. Some people class it as another language and some don’t due to centuries of interaction with Maay speakers.

Nonetheless, standard Somali is the northern dialect.

Jonraid:
Where are you based now?

France and Ethiopia.

mtisTheQubit:

so in a way al shabaab is both bad an in a way good for somalis..good in that it kills the clan thingy..bad in that it kill somalis

Well you could argue that clannism is both good and bad as well as if offers protection and insurance to Somalis but also bad as it sows disunity.

Alshabaab is just 100% bad.

tylann:

I mean non- Somalis not Somalis

I know that al shabaab has killed more Somalis
I saw that horrific bomb blast in Mogadishu that killed more than 300 people it was sad

That’s a flawed view. It’s like thinking ISIS is the army of Syria and Iraq. The only difference is that the armies of Iraq and Syria have received so much help from the international community in defeating the terrorists.

Also the bomb killed more than 700 people. The government officials stopped counting them because some people were so severely burnt that they turned into ashes. The authorities couldn’t differentiate between the rubble and the remains of humans.

Jonraid:
Do you think that Jubaland,Puntland and Somaliland should be countries of their own?

From my understanding Puntland and Jubaland don’t want to pursue independence, it is only Somaliland that wants to secede.

I don’t see a problem in that though. If Somalis in Somalia can’t agree on unity, they should all go their own way and maybe later on in the future seek some sort of Somali League with free movement of people, goods and services.

tylann:


Okay i understand but they are so many people who believe al shabaab is Somalia's army
Are you a Ethiopian Somali or a Somalian Somali

I’ve never seen a single Somali person who believes that Alshabaab is the army of Somalia.

Alshabaab has killed 100 times more Somalis than non Somalis.

And I’m from Dire Dawa in Ethiopia.

mtisTheQubit:

No they dont represent Somalis but the fact is the clan elders sometimes consult the al shabaab leaders..Another thing why somalis like al shabaab is that its clan less

When you say clan elders, you have to be specific. The ones who do consult them are always from the clans who have lost the most in the civil war. They see Alshabaab as their way of getting back at the people who killed and displaced their people. It’s revenge for them.

This is why Alshabaab being clan less is so appealing to those marginalised clans.

tylann:


But that army of yours

Yes it’s underfunded, ill-equipped and not nearly large enough to deal with the Alshabaab scoundrels. However, you can’t expect a country that has been in a state of civil war for +20 years to have a world class military.

mtisTheQubit:

what you have posted so true..but in a twist al shabbab is also uniting somalia.true or false?

No because Alshabaab is seen as a foreign entity using poor and ill informed farmers to further their reign of terror. They don’t represent Somalis not have they ever united us.

tylann:

I see you are ready for war
Does somalia have an army ??

Wouldn’t you be ready for war if your people faced an existential threat?

And yes Somalia does have an army. Use google my friend.

Kur17:
This could be a good idea, let there be no more Somalia

If anything this would create a lot more violence and destruction.

As an ethnic Somali, I can tell you that Somalis are almost never united. Each clan is almost like autonomous kingdom.

However, the one thing that has always united Somalis for over 1000 years is when we’re invaded by non-Somalis.

I’m a Somali from Dire Dawa, Ethiopia and I have no desire to join Somalia, but if it was attacked I wouldn’t hesitate for even a second in joining my brethren in the frontlines.

TayserMahri:


Both parties should wait for the Hague decision. I highly doubt our govt would spew such heavy false claims without at least some evidence on an intel level. Its possible your govt is doing it to out muscle Kenya by awarding the contract to a foreign firm.

Not true. In fact it’s Kenya that awarded Chinese and Norwegian companies exploration contracts in the disputed waters. That’s what led to Somalia seeking an audience at the ECJ. It’s all online.

All the documents about Somalia’s meeting with the investors was published and a map of all the blocks put up for bidding.

Somalia has already stated that we’ll wait for the ECJ’s decision and don’t wish to sever the already fragile relationship with have with our neighbour. It makes no sense to make enemies at this point in time for us.

TayserMahri:


The question is whether you have auctioned oil blocks in the disputed zone to foreign firms.

As explained by the MoF Somalia, No! Why would Somalia auction those blocks when there’s an ongoing case in the ECJ regarding that territory? Imagine the ECJ rules against Somalia.. the country would get sued by the investors.

This is why this whole debacle makes no sense to me whatsoever. Your government just woke up one day and decided to mislead the entire Kenyan people.

Kenya embarrassed itself on the world stage!

They threw a hissyfit and mislead the entire Kenyan population by almost declaring war on Somalia for no reason.

The so-called maritime blocks Somalia put up for auction to explore oil are within the Somali maritime zone and is not apart of the disputed zone.

Also, despite the Kenyan narrative only being shown here, Kenya actually has no legitimate claim on the disputed area and has pleaded with Somalia that they ditch the ECJ and sort out the issue among themselves.

Somalia is not encroaching on Kenyan waters, rather that’s how the maritime border between the nations was since their independence from Great Britain.

It is easy to brand a fragile state like Somalia as a bandit state, just because it’s name is associated with Alshabaab. People need to look at both sides of the issue here and not take sides in order to have a nuanced discussion on these matters.

Ask yourself why Somalia would pick a legal fight with its neighbour for no reason whilst dealing with insurgents and various other problems at the same time.

Check maritime maps from decades ago and compare them to the maps being posted online today. Alas, we all have to wait for what the ECJ rules on this case.

Ozouno1:


14 February 1974 - Somalia joins the Arab League after fourteen years of independence.

Being members of the Arab League going on 50 years is a contradiction then. How does that get resolved?

I've already answered this.

Hirad:


It's a complex issue to be honest with you and it was a politically motivated move rather than 'Arab-wannabeism' as you phrase it. We were under the rule of Siad Barre who was a ruthless dictator that caused the eventual downfall of the Somali Republic. Furthermore, when Somalia joined the Arab League we were preparing for a war with Ethiopia to regain Western Somalia or what is today the Somali region of Ethiopia which is roughly around 1\4 of Ethiopia. We were looking for allies and financial backers, as we had recently severed ties with the Soviet Union over the issue of retaking Western Somalia at the time. Both the War and and joining the Arab League turned out to be bad moves as we lost the war and members of the Arab League sided with Ethiopia against us, namely Libya and South Yemen. Since the war, the country as either been in turmoil or under a transitional government until 2012. By the way, the Arab League also has observer states like Eritrea, Brazil and Venezuela.

I'll reply back to you in segments since you took your time with this reply.

revontuli:


I don't think there is any "pure-blooded" nation on earth other than the isolated, uncontacted native tribes in the Bolivian jungles, Arctic natives and nomadic Mongolian tribes. Anyone around trade routes and port cities is hella mixed.
Mogadishu was a port city and trade center since antiquity. Quoting Wikipedia:

Mogadishu was part of the Somali city-states that in engaged in a lucrative trade network connecting Somali merchants with Phoenicia, Ptolemic Egypt, Greece, Parthian Persia, Saba, Nabataea and the Roman Empire. Somali sailors used the ancient Somali maritime vessel known as the beden to transport their cargo.

According to the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, maritime trade connected Somalis in the Mogadishu area (known to the Romans and Greeks as Sarapion) with other communities along the Indian Ocean coast as early as the 1st century CE.

How can it be remotely possible to maintain ethnic purity with such a history? The Somalian youtuber lady linked here turned out to have about 5% South Asian and 1% European DNA and was shocked about it, although there isn't much of a shock factor if you pay attention to ancient history.

You have a port and trade center? You are mixed as mixed goes. Even the isolated Iceland far above the Arctic circle has mixed genetics cause the Vikings raided and traded with the British Isles and took women from there. Ancient people mixed like no tomorrow cause of trade, conquests and raiding.

First of all, the argument is not about racial or genetic purity. It's the blatant lie that Somalis are Arabized or bastardised Arabs. That was my issue with the person you're quoting. We already know of our mixture, but despite trading with the rest of the world for millennia, we barely mixed with outsiders as it is evident from our DNA results. The most thorough DNA test for Horn Africans like myself is 23andme which I have taken. It states that I am 98% East African and by East African, it alludes to people from the Horn mainly who all pretty much share the same haplotype which is E1b1b. Our admixture as I've stated above comes from thousands of years before when there weren't such thing as a Somali ethnicity, when we were just grouped with other Cushitic speakers.

Our Admixture and migration only confirms that we are more purer compared to our neighbouring Nilotic and Bantu tribes as they are much more mixed than us.

The lady you are talking about is from a distinct Somali ethnicity called Banadiri - a lot of them are Somalized Arabs. So it's not a shocker to see her get 5% South Asian and what not. The average Somali person gets no more than 0.5%-1% Arab or European.

revontuli:
As a Euro-American, one thing I find quite laughable is the Somalis trolling around, looking down on the West Africans and claiming they are more beautiful and better than the blacks. LMAO, Somali diaspora has the worst reputation imaginable. West African, especially Nigerian and Ghanaian football players are all over the UK Premier League and Bundesliga. Where are the Somalis?

Nigeria exports football stars, authors, doctors, scholars and hard working university student population. Sure they also exported some criminals but the hard work and success of the aforementioned groups offsets that. Somali diaspora on the other hand is well known for their khat chewing habits, gaming the system to practice polygamy, illiteracy and laziness. We learned all about khat thanks to the Somalis, we learned about female genital mutilation again thanks to the Somalis. No other African diaspora population is associated with such things. Somalis are the biggest African and 3rd biggest foreign immigrant population where I live, but all the ethnic African stores are run by Ghanaians and Nigerians, which constitute a very small population. There are only a handful of Ethiopians, yet 2 Ethiopian restaurants. Somalis with their massive population don't have a single restaurant or shop. I know about fufu, okra stew, plantain pudding, yam, cassava, but don't have a clue what Somalis eat cause there are no Somali restaurants within 1000 miles. They are hiding their cuisine from the world like it's the greatest secret.

Although, Somali trolls do go overboard with the insults, but I reckon it is just a retaliation to West Africans telling them they're bastardised Arabs, not really black and make fun of their features which is surprisingly not seen as anti-black due to West and southern Africans seemingly taking ownership of the African look, as if everyone in Africa is meant to resemble them.

Most Somalis are 1st and 2nd generation refugees from a war-torn country, they will naturally underperform until they reach 2nd and 3rd generation. Such is the integration patterns with refugee groups around the world. Resettling refugees into a foreign land and expecting them to become world-beaters isn't realistic. Also, Somalis are in no way comparable to West Africans. The former is 20 million with only 1 million of those based outside of the Horn, while the latter numbers over 300 million.

But let me address your points:

"Somalis don't have intellectuals and world-renowned people"

Sir Mohamed Farah - A refugee who came to the UK as a 12 year-old. Name a west African equivalent to Mo Farah?
AbdulQawi Yusuf - incumbent president of the International Courts Justice.
Nuruddin Farah - Multi-award winning author and Nobel prize nominee for his outstanding novels.
Rageh Omaar - World famous reporter and award-winning TV presenter who worked for the BBC and Al-Jazeera.
Ahmed Hussen - Canadian minister of immigration. Holds this office despite being born in Somalia.
Ilhan Omar - First Somali-American state lawmaker and despite also being born in Somalia.
Iman Abdulmajid - Model, actress, philanthropist and businesswoman, also born in Somalia.

So much for they don't produce famous people and I'm typing this from the top of my sleepy head and I haven't even mentioned the younger generation which are all on the come up.

Ayan Hirsi one of the last Somali people I'd want to claim. She literally made money from lying about her culture, ex-husband, parents and religion. In the end she was booted out of the Dutch parliament after an embarrassing scandal. The US media completely hide this from the public whilst parading her around as a voice against Islam. They'll spit her out once they're done with her, just like the Dutch before them.

"Khat" - this is a drug used throughout the horn of Africa and some parts of Arabia. Yemenis are an even bigger Khat-consuming nation.
"FGM is exclusive to Somalis" - False FGM is practised among your West African people too, it is practised both north and west of Nigeria, all the way to the Senegambia region. This ancient practice is outlawed in Somalia, but may still be practised in the rural regions of East Africa where Somalis are not the only ones doing it.
"Polygamy" - You must be extremely ignorant to think that Somalis are the only Africans to practise polygamy. Almost all of Sub Saharan Africa does this, even the fully Christian nations in southern Africa.
"Somali cuisine is not known" - If where you're from has a huge Somali population, specifically London, Minnesota, Seattle, Ohio or Toronto, then you're deliberately ignoring Somali restaurants. One of the restaurants in Minneapolis even has the mayor visiting on a regular basis and has been awarded and mentioned on Minnesota state channels multiple times - look up Afro Deli.

Miss pretend-European, it's not rocket science to see that you're an angry West African. It's intriguing how you know about khat and FGM, but don't know even more simpler things. Alas, I totally agree with you though, the trolls are damaging our already bad image and if you read through this thread you will have seen that the original poster has already been called out for his stupidity. That is probably why he's not posting anymore.

To preserve the civil discussion we're having on this thread, I won't give a reply to the rest of your post. I don't want to get sucked into silly arguments like that, they only lead to insults and pettiness.

Hati13:

Interesting. About Cushite being product of African male and Eurasia female like you, wouldn't be probable if it was majority Eurasia male and African women since male consists the major portion of the migration population for the most part in the past?

And I once read that the African components of Cushite were mainly from Khoisan and the ancestors of present day Nilotic groups. What do you say?

And you are wrong when you say Ethiosemitic speakers are migrants. They equally have inhabited the Horn as Cushite did. Semitic originated in the Horn before it later expanded to Levant and Arabia. It's true that majority of Ethiosemitic speakers are Cushite as a result of assimilation, but the ancient Ethiosemitic speakers were distinct just like Cushite and Omar were and are distinct.

You would think so, but DNA results show that it is the opposite actually. Also the ancient Nilotes looked nothing like the Nilotes of today. Their appearance has changed due to admixture. Human genetics is an intriguing puzzle my friend, it is hard to grasp sometimes and anthropologists are still flabbergasted by human admixture and migration patterns till today.

I based my assumption of Ethiosemitic speakers being migrants on their language and their back migration into the horn of Africa. Fair point that the majority of them are just Semitic-speaking Cushites, but I was only commenting on their back migration.

Hati13:

He is wrong and I agree in your points.

By the way, Afroasiatic originated in Africa. This group are Omotic, Cushite (Agaw, Afar, Somali, etc...), Chadic, Ancient Egyptian, Berber and Semitic (Arab, Ethiosemitic, etc....).

So this means Somali or any Horners generally didn't come from Arabia, but the early Afroasiatic ancestors of Arabs came from Horn of Africa. Semitic identity might originated in Levant or Egypt or even in Ethiopia/Eritrea. If Semitic originated in Ethiopia/Eritrea, it will explain why there are many diverse Semitic languages in Ethiopia/Eritrea than Arabia or Levant. But more research needs to be done to totally validate this theory.

Light skin Horners are few. This trait is indeed as result of non-African influence, but the other features are indigenous to the area (Afroasiatic originated in the Horn like I said above). Arabs were black skinned at first before they were raped by Whites in ancient times).

You speak the truth.

What irks me so much is that his view is prevalent in Africa. When I first got to know a friend of mine from Botswana, he assumed I was Arab and even when I told him that I'm Somali, he said "are Somalis not Arab?".

They see East Africans that don't look like the people from their region/country and assume they are foreigners in Africa. It is also exactly this sort of attitude that also classes the Amazigh of North Africa as foreigners and invaders of Africa. This view is very problematic because not only is it discriminatory towards Horners and anybody that looks like them, but it also paints Africans as weak and feeble people that are always conquered by invaders. It is a subconscious negative view of Africans as it implies that Africans can never hold their ground and are always forcefully assimilated and enslaved. This is contrary to the scientifically proven fact that Cushites are a product of an African male + Eurasian female from the near-east.

It is plausible that the earliest Semites came from Africa and then expanded into the middle east. This is a view held by many historians, but the Ethio-Semitic groups came about as a result of back migration to the the horn of Africa around 2000-3000 years ago. From what I've seen and heard, many Ethio-Semitic speaking people are in fact Cushites who just speak a Semitic language. East Africa is unique in the sense that it is a melting pot of ancient cultures and languages. It is indeed where the Afro Asiatic people originated, so in that sense it is not wrong to say that even the middle east is an extension of Africa.

This youtuber has mapped the Afroasiatic expansion according to historical accounts. It is very interesting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLt9iYjlSkw

Hati13:

They are Afar men not Beja

It was funny watching him try to say we're Arab rape babies then post pictures of Afars, as if Somalis and Afars don't look identical lol

AfriRenaissance:
I said those men were Beja, not Somali. In regards to your photos,some of them look heavily mixed with middle eastern people. I understand you want to be "Pure" Somali, but such a thing doesn't exist anymore. Thanks to Islam and Arab Imperialism. You were Muslim before Arabs? Ok True, did you know grass comes before earth?

https://mathildasanthropologyblog./2008/07/30/somali-y-chromosome-study/

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/a-genomic-sketch-of-the-horn-of-africa/#.WpthnHxG11s

Go through those links. You are not only mixed with Arab, but Somali Y-chromosome (The chromosome passed from Father to Son) s 40% Eurasian (Middle East + Neighboring Areas) You also have DNA from those Migrating from Upper Egypt. I told you you're mixed, DNA doesn't lie. Somalia its current form is not what it was in the past during medieval times. There were different kingdoms and empires, for example Ajuran Sultante and the Kingdom of Adal. Ajuran was Somali, but Adal was heavily populated by Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Sultanate#Muslim_migration

Go through it, have a field day - it's interesting stuff. However it''s also interesting to see that without your "mamlukes" and Ottoman assistance you couldn't defeat the Oromo and Portuguese. Uf you are so bold and strong as Somali's why did you need that kind of help? Also, if you are so great now why is your country riddled with strife? Please don't come on here beating your chest, cause Somali is definitely not the best place to be right now.

Ancestry.com has the smallest database of African lineages LOL so testing with them won't tell you shit. Sheesh you're a genetics noob. You either need to test with a company that has a larger database of African samples or commission a scientific research team to do it. I'm assuming the latter is impossible for you - no offense, but if you're on here creating topics like this I doubt you're scholarly and thorough enough to pull something like that off.

Also, Somali people are not homogeneous anymore. Due to all of the mixing that has occurred some of them have varying amounts of African, Arab, and European in them. Not to mention Indian. That being said, you are hella mixed dude. Do you know what you aren't though? You aint shit

You don't know how ridiculous you sound trying to argue over something you have no knowledge over. The point I was trying to make with the pictures is that there isn't much difference between Beja people and Somalis because we are cousins and have almost the exact same DNA. I can guarantee you that if you saw a Beja and a Somali person today, you wouldn't be able to tell them apart. So the notion that Beja's are purer or more 'pure-looking' than Somalis is absolutely rubbish. In fact, due to Beja's living among Arabs, you are more likely to find an Arab-passing Beja in Egypt and Sudan.

Ignorance is making you blind to real facts. Somalis were indeed Muslims before most Arabs as one of the first mosques (Masjid Qiblatayn) in Islam lies in Zeila which is northern Somalia. This mosque is older than the conquest of Mecca by the Muslims. You can deny it all you like, but the facts are there.

As for us being mixed, not once have I denied this. We are an ancient mixed people and so are Beja, Afar, Oromo and other Cushitic people. What I am disagreeing with is you saying we are mixed with Arabs, because that is not true. Eurasian does not mean Arab, it what you fail to understand is that our mix is Ancient and secondly the ancestors of Somalis were African males who mated with neolithic era Eurasian females around 10,000 years ago. So the other fallacious statement you made about us being raped by Arabs is also untrue. You said it yourself that our Y-DNA is around 40% Euroasian, but you fail to notice that the 40% Eurasian mix is NOT Arab, because no Arab lived 10,000 years ago.

You're rambling on about DNA when you don't understand any of it. This quote is from your own link.

3) There is a rough rank order of admixture estimates. In terms of Africanness it goes from Somali > Oromo > Beta Israel ~ Amhara > Tigray. The sample sizes are small though, so we should be cautious. The Amhara seem to vary the most. One might suspect that the Amhara, being the traditional core ethnicity of Ethiopia of late, assimilated other groups. If you look at the PCA the Somali actually look the most “East African” of the groups on PC 2. Note also the linear pattern of distribution other Ethiopians and the Masai toward Arabians and Bantu respectively. This is suggestive of some sort ancient admixture event between an East African substrate and other populations. I will label this population “Ancestral East Africans” (AEA).

Meaning that Somalis are the most pure group of people in the horn of Africa. There are small Arab populations within Somalia like the Banadiri and Barawani people. They're quite clearly Arab and are easily spotted from a crowd of Somalis. Case in point this lady here is a Somali Banadiri and her DNA quite clearly reflects that


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSxMfQqhXpQ

These Arab and Persian populations trace their ancestry back to the early Muslims who migrated to Somalia in the medieval times. This is nothing new.

As for your other points, nobody claimed to be strong and not needing help from anyone. Every major kingdom had allies. Even today the EU depends on all of the Nato countries for help. We had help from the Ottomans and the Omanis and we are grateful to them as they prevented foreigners from destroying our sultanates. Also I'm actually a direct descendant of one of the chief generals of Adal. There might have been some Arab soldiers in the armies of Adal, but all the generals of the forces were Somali or an East African Muslim like Afar or Harari. I don't see how you can tell me anything new about something my forefathers were part of.

What you're doing is assuming that we're mixed due to our phenotype which is again, not true and not even a rare phenotype in Africa. Just look at the Fulani, Tutsi and other Cushitic people. Seek knowledge and most importantly help because not a sane person would go to such lengths to spread misinformation about another African ethnicity.

AfriRenaissance:


No this is not why. They believe life originated in Africa, due to genetic studies. People in Madagascar looking Asian have to do with the fact that Asians were brought there during the colonial period and intermingled with the local population. Same goes for Indians, Omani Arabs, and other Asians coming into Somalia. "Caribbean" people are just amalgamated Native Americans from Southern America, Africans, and Europeans. There is nothing original about Caribbean people. Jamaican, Haitian, Puerto Rican, and etc are colonial names.

Somalians look the way they do because they're mixed as Bleep. Their DNA is all over the place, because of invasions and migrations - especially invasions from the Arabs They raped their way into Somalia and left their mix-breed offspring to rule just like they did in other parts of Africa.

If I could guess, I would assume the "original" Somali looked similar to the Beja people. The pictures OP posted of Somali women are heavily mixed. It's so obvious to see that it's hilarious he would try to pass them off as Pure Somali or Original Somali. I guess he's proud of his rape blood.

Here are a couple images of Beja men

Everything you said is factually INCORRECT. The men you have photographed there are the Afar people of Eritrea, Ethiopia and Djibouti. Afars are literally our cousins as we both speak a Cushitic language and have the exact same DNA. Beja people are also our distant cousins, they are also Cushitic. If those men cut their hair, they would like everyday Somali men.

I've taken an ancestry DNA test and so have thousands of other Somali people. Apart from the ones that are quite obviously mixed like the Barawani and Banadiri Arab minorities in South Somalia, the vast majority of us have less than 1% Arab DNA. It would be appreciated if you didn't speak out of ignorance. The Somali phenotype is very common in East Africa and even among Tutsi people who are not Cushitic. Tell me if you think Tutsis are mixed...

Also, Arabs have never invaded Somalia or anywhere in the horn. The closest the horn of Africa came close to an Arab invasion was when the Sudani Mahdists attacked Abyssinia. What you fail to understand is that Somalis have been Muslim longer than most Arab people and therefore under Islamic law, it was forbidden for them Arabs to try to conquer Muslim land.

Below are photos of Beja, Somali and Afar people, I want you to tell me which ones that are Afar, Beja and Somali.

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RedboneSmith:


Joining an association called 'The Arab League' when you are not Arabs doesn't qualify as 'Arab-wannabeism'?

Just a question.

It's a complex issue to be honest with you and it was a politically motivated move rather than 'Arab-wannabeism' as you phrase it. We were under the rule of Siad Barre who was a ruthless dictator that caused the eventual downfall of the Somali Republic. Furthermore, when Somalia joined the Arab League we were preparing for a war with Ethiopia to regain Western Somalia or what is today the Somali region of Ethiopia which is roughly around 1\4 of Ethiopia. We were looking for allies and financial backers, as we had recently severed ties with the Soviet Union over the issue of retaking Western Somalia at the time. Both the War and and joining the Arab League turned out to be bad moves as we lost the war and members of the Arab League sided with Ethiopia against us, namely Libya and South Yemen. Since the war, the country as either been in turmoil or under a transitional government until 2012. By the way, the Arab League also has observer states like Eritrea, Brazil and Venezuela.

makahlj2:


If you're really new there, then you probably don't know that this forum has a massive problem with some Somali trolls calling us black, ugly, uncivilized and whatnot. And sometimes we hit (troll) back.

That is very unfortunate. I don't think it's wise for Somalis to call anybody uncivilised on the back of a 28-year-long civil war. As for calling people black and ugly? No god-fearing person should ever mock the creation of God with silly names, besides we're black and very dark skinned ourselves

I asked because a lot of non-Muslim Sub Saharan Africans tend to repeat what you said. I just wanted to know what made you say that.

makahlj2:


These Somalians look to me more like black Arabs than black Caucasians. Perhaps this is the reason why they're such Arab-wannabes.

Hello I am new here and I would like to know how we Somalis are Arab wannabes? We have our own culture, language, history and etc. All we share with Arabs is our religion and a long history of trade.