Kukutente23:

You still don't understand do you? If the loan is approved at N800 to $1, that means less dollar will be required to reach the N1.7trillion based on the present exchange rate in the market. What now happens to the remaining dollars?

Conversely, if the N800 to $1 is used to liquidate the loan fully, that implies that CBN used a fixed exchange rate to liquidate the dollar to naira. Who is paying for the shortfall? You see the confusion now?

Ok. That's a good way to look at it.

Then we should also consider that about 3.74 trillion is generated as against 1.7 so you could write a petition to question this or go through FOIA

Kukutente23:

What is strategic about borrowing? What about cutting down on wasteful spending? The lower exchange rate ensures that less of the money is reflected in the economy. Probably will be kept aside to be used to offset foreign expenditures such as all these their travellings

Perhaps not strategic however there's a shortfall in expected revenue inflow based on the original budget perhaps lower barrels of crude oil produced etc.?

Countries can secure loans at more favorable local currency values compared to dollar exchange rates through several methods, including central bank interventions, bilateral agreements, loans from international financial institutions, enhanced credit ratings, and the maintenance of stable currency regimes.

The thing is to identify which expenses have been made beyond the approved budget and which of these were previously identified as wasteful in the budget at the onset.

Kukutente23:
Grand slam
But truth be said, how can senate approve loans without any details as to what it will be used for and the repayment plan?
APC has mismanaged Nigeria massively
Just imagine. So the CBN will have to convert the dollar loan to naira at N800 which means the economy will still be shortchanged in terms of monetary value of the impact

It's understandable you want explicit detail on how this will be used but you shouldn't deny the $2.2 billion loan is a strategic move by Nigeria’s government to manage its budget deficit effectively while ensuring that essential projects continue to receive funding amidst challenging economic conditions.

There definitely are questions at how the lower exchange rate is derived but isn't this good that we are using less naira to the dollar? It raises questions too unless there are definite expenditure that will be paid for in dollars.

Bobloco:


https://dailypost.ng/2024/11/19/tinubu-seeks-the-senates-approval-of-fresh-n1-767tn-external-borrowing/

Can someone explain the disparity in the exchange rate please? N800 to $1 when the latest real rates are at least twice this value.

What's going on?

DeOTR:

Anybody stopping you from establishing your own manufacturing plants to compete with the Indians?

No one stopping however most of the equipment are not manufactured here.

Then they have the edge of huge supply so the competition is more in their favour.

Do you remember Emiefele's statement in 2015 on why imported toothpick would be sold at much cheaper price than if it was locally produced.

The internationals have access to much lower interest rates for trade and business less than 3% compared to over 25% here.

Don't get me wrong. It can be done but how easily?

Safety matches production in Nigeria accounts for less than 3% of the market size and some local companies are even foreigner owned.

Wananonly:
I like the idea of the ceremonial keys bro

Ceremonial? Who own the most successful industries here? As simple as the safety matches used comes from Indian imports.

The soft drink industry, chemicals, drugs and medicine etc is in their hands or you forget when they planned to sell garri to Nigeria in 2014? I am sure they have found away to sneak around this now.

Kukutente23:
Rigged election

You cannot keep doing the same thing while expecting a different result.

When you discuss with people you must acknowledge their hypocrisy. Is there a sincere commitment to do and be better?

The culture of stomach infrastructure politics still prevails and all don't have the means to execute and effect this in their favour despite it's impropriety

In honor of the OP, I personally would no longer post anymore entries on this thread.

I bid you farewell in your good endeavors.

GothamCities:


I don't think there was a differentiation in those days between alcoholic and none alcoholic wine. Wine was just wine. However, I don't believe that the Bible refers to alcoholic wine in its discourse, because the Bible makes a differentiation, even though none-jewish cultures didn't. Alcoholic wines in the Bible are not called wines but rather Strong Drinks. It is easy for commentators today to easily think that the wines the Bible refers to are alcoholic if they fail to understand the fact that the Bible calls alcoholic wines Strong Drinks.

Now, look for instance at the marriage in Cana of Galilee where Jesus turned water to wine. The MC of the occasion confessed that, that wine was a really different wine. It wasn't the type that obtainable anywhere, and you can agree with me that the wine was not alcoholic. People over drank because it was tasteful as we could deduce from the words of the MC. They really drank but no one was ever intoxicated. The Bible does not support the drinking of alcohol. Even when drinking none alcoholic wines, we're told to do it in moderation. No excessive drinking.

Don't be quick to make statements I believe there are Bible verses that tell you this.

Considering historical context, biblical texts, archaeological findings, and cultural practices of ancient Israelites, it is clear that they distinguished between alcoholic wine and non-alcoholic beverages.

Prov. 23:30-31
30 Those who linger over wine, who go to sample bowls of mixed wine.
31 Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly!

Numbers 6:3
he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.


The mention of mere grapes a fruit should tell you something.

GothamCities:


When we say wine in Christendom, we mean none alcoholic wine. We're not talking about the technicalities involved. Blackcurrant is not considered alcohol, and none alcoholic wines always come with the inscription "None Alcoholic". If we want to start going into technicalities like you have done in this your post, we'll then have to add most of the carbohydrates we eat. Technically speaking, most carbohydrates are alcoholic. This is not the type of alcohol content we're talking about. No Christians don't drink alcohol. Only church goers do.

Only the truth truly sets anyone free.

Historical evidence strongly indicates that the wine mentioned in biblical texts was, in fact, an alcoholic beverage. This is not in variance to present day definition as the screenshots containing descriptions show. You contemporary Christians should recognize this reality while also appreciating the cultural importance of wine in those historical contexts.

Even if it is less than 5% the fact remains that it contains alcohol. If some modern day christians appreciate the common tendency for abuse and decide to lie in calling what is not wine communion wine do remain upright at speak the truth. Communion wine is replaced by unfermented juice.

Carbohydrates are not alcohol don't try to dribble and misinform. A fermented Carbohydrate can become alcohol.

Carbohydrates are an essential macronutrient for energy but alcohol is a not an essential compound that has different, often complex, effects on the body.

I see your naivety in matters of the world. Do you know what the world authority do in labelling drinks as non alcoholic? These are alcoholic drinks with alcohol percentages they classify as insufficient to classify as non alcoholic. Ample consumption of these may have 'alcoholic effects' on some with low tolerance.

Bwilliam:


Brother, I wish I can give you a firm handshake.
You really know this death cult that's masquerading as a religion very well.
Some of the verses like the one that says ".. there is no compulsion in religion..." was issued when Mohammad had no army or band of thieves that he controlled, but that verse was quickly abrogated when he grew an army of followers by promising them rewards and riches if they followed him to raid the caravan of the Quresh tribes.

I'm re-reading the Quran, and it reminds me of Hitler's Mein kampf. It's just filled with the ranting of a man who was rightly rejected by Jews and Christians who saw through his pseudo religious facade.
The same man whose teenage wife Aisha saw through him when she said to Him "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires (hawa)"

When you read the Sira, hadiths and tasfirs, you'll understand why he hates Christians and loaths Jews with passion. His commands to his followers on how to treat Jews and Christians, is simply his way of getting back at a people whom he feels humiliated him.

Why then was a follow up verse not revealed compelling religion when the number of Muslims increased?

You will do very well and show credibility if you can show this verse.

GothamCities:

I hope you know that there are both alcoholic and non alcoholic wines. You talked about alcohol, and that's what I responded to. The wine that makes the heart glad, not the one that intoxicates.



Wine, not alcohol.


Wrong rendering.

If I say do not run after Satan but run after Jesus. Does that mean I'm saying "You can walk after Satan but run after Jesus?



No, we use blackcurrant in most cases.

Very fair attempt but look at these snapshots with institutionalized definition.

When did it become a concern to replace wine with juice?

Do all churches abandon wine for juice?

Ask a chemist if there is any such thing as a non alcoholic brew.
When you use blackcurrant is it the juice or blackcurrant flavoured wine.

Don't bother answering please.

The OP was only trying to pass a message and not open the floor for a debate originally spoken against.

PS THE ADOPTION OF JUICE AND NON ALCOHOLICS FOR COMMUNION IN SOME CHURCHES WASN'T BEFORE THE MIDDLE OF THE 19TH CENTURY.

GothamCities:


Christians don't drink alcohol. Only church-,goers do.

You're just trying to sugarcoat the verses and explain them away. The messages are very clear. Till today, Muslims hate Christians and Jews. They even preach against us in their mosques.

Well, you know the verse about the killing of the Jews and the betrayal of the rocks where they go hid themselves. A Muslim even quoted the verse for me here just last week while he was boasting that the prophecy will come to pass.

Psalm 114:15
"And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart


From a physiological perspective alcohol can have mild sedative effects, helping to relax the body and uplift mood, which may result in feelings of happiness or warmth.

Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit

You can drink but don't get drunk?

Traditionally, communion wine is alcoholic. In many Christian denominations, the wine used for communion is a fermented grape wine, usually with a low alcohol content.

Low-alcohol wines with a low alcohol content can lead to intoxication when enough is consumed.

AntiisIam:


So according to your own alfa and chief imam, Christians and Jews are not polytheists bah?

Sincerely ask yourself if you fall into the polytheist classification. Do you or don't you fall into this classification? Do you worship others alongside the almighty God, worship multiple 'Gods' or semblance of such.

GothamCities:


Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

There's another verse that says Muslims will wipe out the Jews from the face of the earth, and that as they hide among rocks, the rocks would betray them and tell the assaulting Muslims that a Jew is hiding by it, they should come and kill him.

There are other verses including hadiths that I cannot presently remember.

I explained the Verse Q5:51

honesttalk21:


Q5:51 O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are indeed allies of one another. And whoever among you takes them as allies - then surely, he is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

This verse highlights the significance of loyalty and allegiance among believers (Muslims) while urging caution in forming close ties with those who might be antagonistic towards Islam or its followers. It advises against taking Jews and Christians as close allies, as they may prioritize their own interests over those of the Muslim community. The verse encourages Muslims to be aware of their associations and to prioritize their faith and values in their relationships and alliances.

It doesn't satisfy you obviously.
You know what is said about peer pressure don't you. There is some difference in the concept of God in Christianity and Islam and if I may make a small example Christians do not have a problem drinking alcohol perhaps as long as they don't get drunk but this is totally forbidden in Islam.

Kindly show me the verse in the Quran that says Muslims will wipe out the Jews from the face of the earth?

GothamCities:


You explained only the last verse. The first ones addressed Christians and Jews directly.

Moreso, if there's no compulsion in religion, why should anyone be killed, even if that person is worships many idols?

honesttalk21:
I am not the least surprised as you have validated my statement about certain things are taken out of context or misconstrued.

In Surah Al-Anfal (8:12), Allah says: "Remember when your Lord inspired the angels, 'I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike them upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.'"

It may benefit you to understand that this verse is situated within the context of the Battle of Badr, one of the earliest and most significant battles in Islamic history. During this battle, Muslims faced a much larger Quraysh army.

The Quraysh army at the Battle of Badr, commanded by prominent leaders like Abu Jahl, was driven mainly by pride, a desire for vengeance, and a deep commitment to their traditional beliefs. They considered themselves the protectors of the polytheistic customs of their ancestors and perceived the rising Muslim community as a significant threat to their religious, social, and economic dominance.

The verse conveys a message of divine support to believers (Muslims), where Allah reassures the believers by informing them that He has sent angels to aid them. This assistance is both spiritual and meant to instill confidence and strength among the Muslim fighters.

The mention of casting "terror into the hearts" of disbelievers signifies Allah’s intervention to undermine the enemy's morale, helping the Muslim army despite their numerical disadvantage. This support highlights the importance of relying on Allah’s help during challenging times. The directive to strike at their "necks" and "fingertips" specifically refers to incapacitating the enemy’s ability to inflict harm, symbolizing a decisive and defensive approach in battle rather than promoting aggression.

This verse, therefore, illustrates both a strategic aspect of survival in battle and a spiritual lesson on faith and reliance on Allah during difficult times.

Please the Quraysh tribe, who opposed the Prophet Muhammad pbuh during the Battle of Badr, were mainly polytheists, not Christians or Jews; it appears you see otherwise. At that time, the Quraysh were the leading tribe in Makkah and were deeply engaged in idol worship.

Do take time to read through my responses which are done to the individual verses you initially listed.

GothamCities:


I've quoted the Quran that shows Allah doesn't tolerate Christians, and there's compulsion in religion as far as Islam is concerned.

You don't actually understand the post of the OP. The OP is writing against any form of retaliatory remarks or initiated insults by Christians because such attitudes are not Christlike. And indeed, there's no one who insults others or retaliates offences, who'll rightly call himself a Christian.

I have explained the meaning and context of the verses to show what is meant isn't what you think.

GothamCities:


What about the other verses that speak directly against Christians and Jews? Did the Quran not tell you to fight Jews until they're annihilated? Infact, you have it in your Quran that you'll so kill Jews and defeat them with the rocks betraying them while hiding.

What I have posted is the truth about Islam and do not want anyone to be deceived thinking that Islam has anything good for Christians or Jews.

Perhaps if you exactly list these verses we can discuss or review them.

GothamCities:


I didn't misconstrue his post. My response is to the Mohammedian who wants to descent people to make them think that Islam is tolerant towards Christians and Muslims.

Read my post again and you'll see that I said Christians who don't retaliate insults are ideally following the principles of Christ, which is what the OP was trying to say in a nutshell.

Fortunately I and the OP appear to understand each other and are not at dispute.

I will lie to claim what you mean by Mohammedian. In any case Islam emphasizes tolerance and respect towards Christians, as well as other people of the book, a term in the Quran that includes Jews and Christians.

Indeed, those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and works righteousness—shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." (Quran, 2:62)

And do not argue with the People of the Book except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, 'We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him. (Quran, 29:46)

And had Allah not repelled some people by means of some others, the monasteries, the churches, the synagogues and the mosques where the name of Allah is recited abundantly would have been demolished”.

Allah will certainly help those who stand up for Him. Allah is truly All-Powerful, Almighty.Quran 22:40


Read into the Charter of Medina and the Treaty with Christians of Najran.

TimiRume:
Brother I'm not against you neither is the God that has given you and I breath. Oh how he loves us and wants a relationship with us collectively and individually. Everyday we face the challenge of guilt and shame in relation to our walk with this God but when we get to know him, we will know that he made us complete. First he created us, and when we fell into fault, he provided a sacrifice to redeem us back to him. He is our creator and definitely our saviour. He alone knows us thoroughly even our very hairs on our heads are numbered.

How can we think God does not want us as close as being a part of his family? We can't draw near if we still have guilt in our heart. We would stay away from him. How we misunderstand him and believe different versions about him when even his creations show his warmth, his openess, beauty and humour. Who would teach us about God if not God himself. We think of the best teachers as those who know their students so well and are known by them so well too. How can we think God will fall short of these important relationship standards?

I am not judging or codemning you. Your response is a very natural one that even God understands. May our Creator take over this conversation for his glory. Amen🙏

I commended your original post and still do. The ease with which many things get misconstrued is all that is emphasized to help grow mutual cordiality.

You see the response of Gothamcities where he has shown gross misunderstanding of the context and meaning of picked verses.

GothamCities:


I have no single objection with all that the OP has said because he's right through and through. Many of the people of other religions are very provocative in that they hurl insults at you without you ever insulting them. Some 2 Jehovah Witnesses I know on this platform are culprits. Muslims do it too very often. They actually start by calling you a liar for obvious truths you've said, then, they graduate to being vulgar. The atheists do it freely as well. I'm not saying christians don't start insults but in most cases, others do, and christians retaliate. I have seen christians who don't retaliate. Several of them are on this platform. These fellows are following the principles of Christ while other religionists are following the principles of their religions.

It is a lie that Islam tolerates others. All the talk of "no compulsion in religion" is deception. Muslims use this just to deceive. The Allah of the Quran outrightly instructs Muslims to kill and maim Christians and Jews, and never to make friends with them:

Quran 9:5

Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (Christians and Jews) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

In this verse it is better you identify and understand what is the meaning of mushrikoon.

The term "mushrikoon" refers to polytheists or individuals who associate partners with Allah in their worship. In Islamic terminology, a mushrik is someone who commits shirk, which means associating partners with Allah or worshiping other deities alongside Him. Shirk is regarded as a major sin in Islam and contradicts the core belief in the oneness of Allah (Tawheed).

The question is are those who associate partners with God = Christians and Jews

GothamCities:


I have no single objection with all that the OP has said because he's right through and through. Many of the people of other religions are very provocative in that they hurl insults at you without you ever insulting them. Some 2 Jehovah Witnesses I know on this platform are culprits. Muslims do it too very often. They actually start by calling you a liar for obvious truths you've said, then, they graduate to being vulgar. The atheists do it freely as well. I'm not saying christians don't start insults but in most cases, others do, and christians retaliate. I have seen christians who don't retaliate. Several of them are on this platform. These fellows are following the principles of Christ while other religionists are following the principles of their religions.

It is a lie that Islam tolerates others. All the talk of "no compulsion in religion" is deception. Muslims use this just to deceive. The Allah of the Quran outrightly instructs Muslims to kill and maim Christians and Jews, and never to make friends with them:

Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk

Q5:51 O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are indeed allies of one another. And whoever among you takes them as allies - then surely, he is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

This verse highlights the significance of loyalty and allegiance among believers (Muslims) while urging caution in forming close ties with those who might be antagonistic towards Islam or its followers. It advises against taking Jews and Christians as close allies, as they may prioritize their own interests over those of the Muslim community. The verse encourages Muslims to be aware of their associations and to prioritize their faith and values in their relationships and alliances.

GothamCities:


I have no single objection with all that the OP has said because he's right through and through. Many of the people of other religions are very provocative in that they hurl insults at you without you ever insulting them. Some 2 Jehovah Witnesses I know on this platform are culprits. Muslims do it too very often. They actually start by calling you a liar for obvious truths you've said, then, they graduate to being vulgar. The atheists do it freely as well. I'm not saying christians don't start insults but in most cases, others do, and christians retaliate. I have seen christians who don't retaliate. Several of them are on this platform. These fellows are following the principles of Christ while other religionists are following the principles of their religions.

It is a lie that Islam tolerates others. All the talk of "no compulsion in religion" is deception. Muslims use this just to deceive. The Allah of the Quran outrightly instructs Muslims to kill and maim Christians and Jews, and never to make friends with them:

Quran 9:29

Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah  

Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated

This verse 9:29 specifically addresses the need to confront those who do not believe in Allah, the Last Day, and do not adhere to the true religion as revealed by Allah and His Messenger. It includes individuals who disregard what Allah has deemed unlawful and do not follow the authentic faith. The verse states that fighting should continue until they willingly pay the jizyah (tax) as a sign of submission while remaining humble.

Understanding the context and conditions under which such verses were revealed, along with the principles of justice and mercy that guide Islamic teachings on warfare, is crucial.

The Quran directs Muslims to engage with those among the People of the Book who, despite having received divine revelation, fail to maintain belief in Allah or the Last Day, do not prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not adhere to the true religion. Is this not an act of hypocrisy claiming to believe and follow God yet engaging in what he forbids? Perhaps you should also look at Quran 9:28 that says O believers! Indeed, the polytheists are ˹spiritually˺ impure,so they should not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year. If you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you out of His bounty, if He wills. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

This verse 9:29 indicates that the struggle continues until they willingly pay the jizya tax, thereby recognizing Islamic authority as an alternative to conflict.

This verse pertains to earlier revealed communities, such as Christians and Jews, in a context of resistance or hostility towards the Muslim community, especially those who were actively opposing or attacking Muslims during the time of the Prophet Muhammad. Nevertheless, it affirms that peaceful coexistence can be achieved through the jizya, a tax that symbolizes the protection and administrative services offered by the Islamic state to non-Muslim citizens residing within its borders.

I am not the least surprised as you have validated my statement about certain things are taken out of context or misconstrued.

In Surah Al-Anfal (8:12), Allah says: "Remember when your Lord inspired the angels, 'I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike them upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.'"

It may benefit you to understand that this verse is situated within the context of the Battle of Badr, one of the earliest and most significant battles in Islamic history. During this battle, Muslims faced a much larger Quraysh army.

The Quraysh army at the Battle of Badr, commanded by prominent leaders like Abu Jahl, was driven mainly by pride, a desire for vengeance, and a deep commitment to their traditional beliefs. They considered themselves the protectors of the polytheistic customs of their ancestors and perceived the rising Muslim community as a significant threat to their religious, social, and economic dominance.

The verse conveys a message of divine support to believers (Muslims), where Allah reassures the believers by informing them that He has sent angels to aid them. This assistance is both spiritual and meant to instill confidence and strength among the Muslim fighters.

The mention of casting "terror into the hearts" of disbelievers signifies Allah’s intervention to undermine the enemy's morale, helping the Muslim army despite their numerical disadvantage. This support highlights the importance of relying on Allah’s help during challenging times. The directive to strike at their "necks" and "fingertips" specifically refers to incapacitating the enemy’s ability to inflict harm, symbolizing a decisive and defensive approach in battle rather than promoting aggression.

This verse, therefore, illustrates both a strategic aspect of survival in battle and a spiritual lesson on faith and reliance on Allah during difficult times.

TimiRume:
When I see some children of Belial hiding under christianity and unleashing their wicked human nature, hurling insults at other sects especially muslims, I can't but wonder what spirit they think they are representing. But it's definitely not the Christ of the bible and deep in their hearts they know they're are doing their own things not his.

You foolish hypocrites, why don't you stop affiliating yourselves with the christian faith if you won't do what the founder did and taught? You even despise his sayings because we see how you attack others with so much hate.

How can you hate those that you are commanded to preach peace to? Are you confused? Can darkness stop darkness? If you walk in darkness how are you different from the muslims you attack? Are you blind to see that there are only two impressions in this world: Light and darkness.

Walking in the light means loving even those that hate and kill you. Yes!! And you hate this path of light because you are walking in darkness and in your rebellious mind, you see Christ and other christians as weaklings and puny, and deceive yourself, thinking there is a smarter way to be a christian. Lol how foolish and blind!! There is nothing more powerful than the love of Christ. No one would be convinced into your camp without that. And we know you don't really care about that either. You don't care if muslims are lost forever, you only love yourself and your false self image and reputation. You are so hard hearted to attack those who you think are in the wrong religion. Yes if they don't repent they will perish and so will you if you don't repent too from your sins.

Or do you think you are scoring points in heaven when you put down others? Are you that deluded? What do you take the righteous God for that judges every man according to his deeds and has no respect for any man.. ?

I tell you that if you don't repent from this evil and turn to follow Christ in all meekness, you are in for a shock on the day you stand before God as he won't spare you. He won't spare any lawless person. Even genuine believers will receive their due recompense not to talk of liars and snakes.

Apart from perpetuating hatred, you discourage muslims from getting close to the faith and learning one or two things that the Lord may use to save them. How you make the work of the Lord so difficult! You won't get in to the Kingdom and you won't let others.

I commend and welcome your submission. It however should be clarified where it appears certain things are taken out of context or misconstrued. In some of your sentences you allude towards Muslims hating and killing christians and fall just short of distinctly labelling Muslims as a people in darkness.

The Quran encourages Muslims to engage in dialogue and find common ground with Christians, emphasizing the shared belief in one God:

"Say, 'O People of the Book! Come to a word that is equitable between us and you—that we shall worship none but Allah and not associate anything with Him, and not take one another as lords instead of Allah.'" (Quran 3:64)

Islam teaches that faith is a personal choice and forbids the coercion of others into religion:

"There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from the wrong way." (Quran 2:256)

This indicates that Muslims cannot force anyone to convert, allowing individuals the freedom to practice their beliefs without pressure.

The Quran also instructs Muslims to treat non-Muslims, including Christians, with fairness and compassion:

"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes—from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." (Quran 60:8 )

This verse promotes the idea of peaceful coexistence, urging Muslims to be just and kind to those who live in harmony with them.

This verse emphasizes that Islam advocates for peaceful coexistence with individuals of other faiths who are just and non-hostile. It serves as a reminder that, although Muslims are encouraged to resist oppression, they are also instructed to maintain justice, kindness, and fairness in their interactions with everyone.

While some verses in the Quran address fighting, they are specifically related to self-defense in the context of early Muslim persecution. For instance, Quran 2:190 states:

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."

Islam does not instruct Muslims to harbor hatred or violence against Christians. Rather, the Quran advocates for respect, peaceful coexistence, and justice for everyone. Misunderstandings can occur when verses are taken out of context, particularly those linked to specific historical events. When considered as a whole, the Quran conveys a message of respect, peace, and compassion towards all, including Christians.

Thank you.

Gabrielshow24:


Mind you

You do so well to forget that if you are to reject God having a son then you must have infinite knowledge yourself!

This existential rejection based on preconceived notions is very evident even in the history of science.

Let's reason together!

show me how a limitless all-knowing God cannot beget a son?

If He was able to conceive the concept (begetting) which is visible in creation!

What stops him from having one!

Allah does not limit Himself by neither having children or a son. In fact, the idea of Allah having children or a son is fundamentally at odds with His divine nature, attributes, and complete uniqueness.

The fact that Allah does not bear children or have a son is not a restriction but a declaration of His complete and transcendent perfection. The Qur'an conveys that Allah is beyond such needs and is entirely self-sufficient, highlighting His pure and perfect oneness.

Gabrielshow24:


You make it sound as if Jews were not well familiar with God having a spirit!

But they took the oneness of God - God and his spirit which he uses to guide men!

The idea of oneness in that form, becomes a debate " is God really one?"

Are there not two entities God and his spirit?

Now which means there are two major ways to look at it.

1)
Which means the concept of God encapsulates the spirit hence the spirit is just perhaps a fraction or the spirit is likewise an attribute of God and also God!
Or we employ another use of "and" to symbolize the same person! Hence God is the same as the spirit and vice versa, judging by this train of thought.



2) there are two entities from the literal interpretation of "and" showing a conjunction.

How then are they one?

Which starts leading to a lot of circular arguments that if God has a spirit then by that thought he is a composite being?

How then did the spirit come into existence?
Another question.

This has puzzled minds since the very beginning.

They prefer to say God is one but don't take necessary/critical inclusion of the spirit!

From the Quran "jibril" 👀 is the spirit!
Even they have an hard time reconciling this plot.

The Qur'an does not exclusively refer to Jibril as the Spirit or Holy Spirit. Although Jibril is often identified with the Ruh al-Qudus found in specific verses, the term Ruh is used in a broader context throughout the Qur'an. This opens the door to various interpretations and highlights the complex nature of spirit in Islam, where terms like Ruh encompass multiple meanings, such as life, revelation, and divine assistance.

Gabrielshow24:


You make it sound as if Jews were not well familiar with God having a spirit!

But they took the oneness of God - God and his spirit which he uses to guide men!

The idea of oneness in that form, becomes a debate " is God really one?"

Are there not two entities God and his spirit?

Now which means there are two major ways to look at it.

1)
Which means the concept of God encapsulates the spirit hence the spirit is just perhaps a fraction or the spirit is likewise an attribute of God and also God!
Or we employ another use of "and" to symbolize the same person! Hence God is the same as the spirit and vice versa, judging by this train of thought.



2) there are two entities from the literal interpretation of "and" showing a conjunction.

How then are they one?

Which starts leading to a lot of circular arguments that if God has a spirit then by that thought he is a composite being?

How then did the spirit come into existence?
Another question.

This has puzzled minds since the very beginning.

They prefer to say God is one but don't take necessary/critical inclusion of the spirit!

From the Quran "jibril" 👀 is the spirit!
Even they have an hard time reconciling this plot.

In the Talmud and various mystical writings, the soul is frequently referred to as a divine spark or a portion of God above.This perspective is consistent with Kabbalistic beliefs, especially in the teachings found in the Kabbalah and the Tanya, a significant Hasidic text. Here, the soul is viewed as a fragment of divinity embedded within humanity, highlighting a profound connection between the soul and God.

Conversely, Maimonides (Rambam), a prominent medieval Jewish philosopher, offers a different viewpoint. In his Guide for the Perplexed and other works, he underscores the soul as a distinct creation of God. Maimonides argues that while the soul has a divine origin, it does not partake in God's essence but exists independently. This perspective aligns with his rationalist approach, which differentiates between God’s transcendence and the created nature of human beings.

As a result, Jewish teachings present a range of perspectives, from the soul being a literal fragment of the divine to being a unique creation endowed with divine purpose yet separate from God’s essence. This complexity contributes to the ongoing discussion and spiritual significance surrounding the nature of the soul in Judaism.

Judaism holds that the idea of God having sons, particularly in relation to Jesus or any other figure is a fundamental contradiction to the monotheistic nature of God in Jewish belief.

Gabrielshow24:


That he begets neither is he begotten

The Quran is not the only religious text that disputes the idea of God begetting Jesus as a Son. In fact, various other religious traditions also reject this notion. For instance, Judaism, which predates Christianity, firmly believes in monotheism and denies the concept of a triune God. Jewish scriptures portray God as a singular and indivisible being, and the idea of a divine Son is viewed as contrary to this essential belief.

Moreover, other monotheistic faiths like Sikhism and Unitarianism also dismiss the doctrine of the Trinity and the notion of God having a Son. In Sikhism, for example, God is understood as a formless and genderless presence, and the belief in a divine Son is seen as inconsistent with the fundamental teachings of the religion.

Gabrielshow24:


Allah as quoted by Muhammad said that!
Did any of the people in the days of Muhammad hear Allah speak?

As in the case of God speaking to the inhabitants of Israel!

Jesus said "I and my Father are one"
"No one cometh unto the Father except through the son!"

That's a "spirit from God" talking from Islamic point of view👀

Anyone can claim Allah spoke to him!

Even in Christendom we have people that have done despicable things say/claim it was God(holy spirit) that spoke to them!

When their works is evident to the contrary!

You also fail to address that irrespective of the path the moon takes in the location as long as it is visible then all should see what happened to it.

It's just like saying Messi scored and the whole stadium didn't jubilate only to say that it was from my perspective. I thought he scored!

"Emphasis on global"
You can't nuke/detonate a bomb on the moon and the world won't see it!

Even if Allah's power is transcending to put it back the splitting in the first place it would be observed by all star gazers!

You just buttress the heavenly mirage more and more!

Allah as quoted by Muhammad pbuh said what exactly?

Gabrielshow24:


I grab your sentiments of perspective!
I must commend your write up in passing it across but it still falls to one measly factor

The globality of the moon!

The implications of what you narrate screams "heavenly mirage" or "Allah's mangekyo sharingan"

Is that your verdict?

It was the "tradition" of Arabians to pass things down orally not disputing that.
Emphasis on "tradition"!

You are within your rights to define my views as you like however you miss the point.
This miracle is not defined as a a global event but a sign shown to the people of Mecca.

Even though everyone around the world sees the same phase of the Moon at any given time, the way it appears with emphasis on its orientation and path across your sky varies significantly based on your geographical location. Then fundamentally you still are unable to appreciate that this was not an affair that lasted the entire night. It was a brief period. It was a brief event, just long enough for witnesses to observe the phenomenon.

Gabrielshow24:


I appreciate the effort put into this discourse to prove Mohammed's miracle.

You only bring up verses like this when it suits you.
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I wonder why this verse was never used by a Muslim to accept Jesus' sonship?

Your cherry picking won't save you!

You shouldn't see it this way as in many places Allah states he is beyond begeting a son or daughter or anything at all.

Seriously can you show native Jews that practice Judaism accepting that God literally begat Jesus (Yeshua) pbuh?

In case you forget in the Bible it is written:

Isaiah 55:8-9 states: “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

You cannot fully define what God can and cannot do by your thinking.