MightySparrow:


You don't understand simple English, right?
Just a simple question: does Allah need a wife, a human wife, to have a son?

Very sensible question(s).

Is your God like man to need or take a wife?
Is there sense in God bearing or begeting a Son or even daughter?

Revisit the metaphorical meaning of son of God amongst the Israelites please.

success2me:


Between January ending and mid March

Where is palm oil cheapest for this period please?

success2me:


Available in Akwa Ibom, neighbouring state of Cross River

Can you inform on best time of the year to buy? When it is usually cheapest?

SIRTee15:


So what's the relevance of Muhammed and the book he brought, if I can continue to follow the old ways and still be saved?

If the old ways are still relevant, what then is the usefulness of Muhammed?

What is a common universal message for all eternity as said by the prophets?

Did the earlier prophets say there will be no message after them from God? Did Prophet Muhammad pbuh say the messages of the former prophets are invalid?

SIRTee15:
What we seeing here is U don't even need to follow the Quran to believe in Allah.
Just say 'I believe in monotheism' and pick any scriptures to suits your fancy and U good to go.

Believing in Muhammed or Quran is not compulsory to worship Allah.
Muhammed is the one that imposed himself on believers as a must.

Reading the Quran, it's very clear Allah has no problem with believers rejecting prophets if they dont like the prophet.

The Jews rejected Jesus and his injeel, and Allah approved such ridiculous decision.
In the Quran, Allah told the Jews to continue using the Torah for guidance- a book that was corrected and modified by the injeel.

Common sense should tell us Jews are to judge by the latest book brought to them which is the injeel BUT almighty Allah told the rabbi to use the defective Torah to judge!!!!

Why would U think the Jews would take the Quran serious when Allah already allowed them to denigrate the works of Prophet ISA?

And why should I as a Christian abandon the gospel for Quran, when Allah supported the Jews who abandoned the injeel for the Torah.
Worst of all, I would become Unitarian Christian and continue using my gospel for guidance.

Don't let any one lie to U...U don't need Muhammed to be a believer.
U dont even need the Quran to be a Muslim according to their own definition of 'muslim'.

Just pick any of the previous book and believe in one God and U have done well in the sight of Allah.
Believing in Muhammed or the Quran is not a must.

That's the confusion in the so called final universal religion.

You tend to neglect a fundamental principle of Islamic faith. Belief in all prophets and their books as divinely revealed.

The Quran is the ultimate and complete revelation, which takes precedence over earlier scriptures. It affirms, rectifies, and replaces previous revelations. This is highlighted in Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:48).

We have revealed to you O Prophet this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.

The Quran recognizes and respects the messages of earlier prophets and their scriptures, stating that they contain guidance and light. Quran 5:46.

In addition the Quran addresses specific misconceptions that arose in earlier scriptures and clarifies the true teachings of Islam. For instance, it emphasizes the oneness of God (Tawhid) and corrects views that diminish this principle.

SIRTee15:


According to Muslims, Jesus was a messenger of Allah sent to the Jews with a revelation called the injil. This meant Jews during the time of Jesus were meant to follow the injil. Jews after the era of Jesus prior to revelation of Quran were also expected to follow the injil.

This shows the injeel supersede the torah for guidance and since Jesus was sent to the Jews, they were expected to be dependent on the INJEEL FOR GUIDANCE- NOT THE TORAH prior to Muhammed appearing on stage.

However, what we find in the Quran is Allah telling the Jews to use the torah for guidance. Allah confirmed in the Quran that the Jews should judge by the Torah- a book that should have been superseded by the Injeel.

That the Jews rejected Jesus as a prophet or Messiah should not be a reason why Allah would tell them to continue to use the Torah. If the Jews erred by rejecting injeel, should Allah approve such action for the Jews?

The Quran shouldnt validate such error but actually correct them by referring them back to the injeel for guidance.
Otherwise Allah would be seen as approving disobedience of his word and undermining the authority of one of the mighty prophets sent to the Jews.

The question is this: WHY DID ALLAH TELL THE JEWS TO USE THE TORAH FOR GUIDANCE AND NOT THE INJEEL WHEN THE INJEEL WAS SENT TO THE JEWS AND WAS A REVELATION AFTER THE TORAH?

Indeed Jesus was a messanger sent to the Israelites yet they rejected him although majority accept Moses and the Torah. As they accept the Torah it is appropriate for this to be a reference point. Then the question is where was the original injil of Jesus documented?

Unlike the Quran, which has been preserved, the original text of the Injil does not exist today in its original form. The teachings of Jesus are found in the New Testament of the Bible, which was written by his followers.

TenQ:

Is it then untrue that
According to Sunan Abi Dawud 4717 the exception seems to be babies who are buried by their mothers.
So, we can say that all Muslim babies should go to paradise (which is another UNTRUE statement according to your prophet) EXCEPT those who were buried alive.


We can understand that all murderers are committing capital sins. The question is are the murdered babies also committing capital sins by being killed by their mothers?



Your prophet disagree with you
Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators

The baby and the mother who murdered her would enter Hell fire.




What the Bible teaches is that we inherited a NATURE of SIN. Meaning that just like a pig inherited a NATURE of filth, through Adam, we inherited a NATURE to commit sin. Have you seen where humans have to be taught to sin? Isn't it a second nature to us all? Don't we have to resist sin? Do you think it is easy for the best of us to resist committing sins?

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned.
1. Sin entered into this world through Adam
2. Because of this son, all living beings on earth dies
3. All men commit sin:
I challenge you to find me a man who doesn't commit sin?


Asides this:
Babies in Islam cannot be guaranteed paradise according to Mohammed. Don't you believe in the DESTINY of Allah again?

Sahih Muslim 2662 c
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.


Is this Hadith a Fraud?

I call your attention to Sunan Abi Dawood 2521 for you to comprehend Sunan Abi Dawood 4717 properly.
Do you accept one and reject the other?

In your usual confused desperation you go on to bring another hadith from Muslim? For what? Supporting your misunderstanding?

Aisha, the wife of Prophet Muhammad, expressed her sorrow at the funeral of a child from the Ansar, who had not committed any sins. The Prophet Muhammad emphasized Allah's divine wisdom in determining the ultimate fate of individuals, highlighting the concept of divine predestination (Qadr) in Islam. This narration emphasizes the importance of trusting in Allah's decree and wisdom, even in challenging situations, and the belief in divine justice, as Allah's decisions are rooted in His infinite knowledge and perfect justice.

You are overtly overbearing and want to lay claim to knowledge beyond you? Is this under the inspiration of Satan? Why not live God to be the ultimate and strive to be of those he is pleased with and enjoy his favour.

Does inheriting the Sin of an ancient ancestor you nor your great grand parents ever new in person appear to be just to you? Explain to yourself how and be sure you are so free of it you don't pass it on to your children born and unborn even if you get off it.

TenQ:
Here is a Sahih Hadith that Muslims should help us explain as I don't understand.

Prophet Mohammad said:

Sunan Abi Dawud 4717
‘Amir reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) as saying :
The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell. This tradition has also been transmitted by Ibn Mas’ud from the Prophet (May peace be upon him) to the same effect through a different chain of narrators

Question:
1. We can understand why the woman who buried her child will go to Hell, can you explain why the baby will also go to Hell?
2. According to you Muslims, every child was born a Muslim. Can you then explain why this "sinless" Muslim child becomes a candidate of hell fire?

If an innocent baby can go to hell in Islam, what hope do Muslims have of al-janna?



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Sunan Abi 2521

Narrated Hasana’ daughter of Mu‘awiyah: She reported on the authority of her paternal uncle: I asked the Prophet pbuh: Who are in Paradise? He replied: Prophets are in Paradise, martyrs are in Paradise, infants are in Paradise and children buried alive are in Paradise.

Quran 17:23
And do not kill your offspring for fear of poverty. We sustain them as well as you. Verily killing them is a capital sin.

Quran 81:8-9
And when the girl [who was] buried alive is asked, For what sin she was killed?


1. The baby will not be in hell. Bare in mind that Allah is the one who absolutely says who goes to hell or paradise.

Why are you so anxious about the future without fulfilling your needs to righteousness in the present?


2. The sinless infant will not go to hell though your belief says every new born child is born with an inherited sin he knows nothing about.

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned.

Have you finished shedding yourself of the sin you were born into the world with?
I trust you have even acquired many more.

dre11:


https://newtelegraphng.com/recall-tinubu-moves-to-bring-peugeot-dunlop-back-to-nigeria/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=recall-tinubu-moves-to-bring-peugeot-dunlop-back-to-nigeria

Can matching orders be given towards similar or higher quality products made by Dunlop by Nigerian industries?

The automobile department is promising going by the efforts of Innoson etc.

Accept the change of environment and you can always come back unless there are clauses that prevent this.

Kukutente23:

You still don't understand do you? If the loan is approved at N800 to $1, that means less dollar will be required to reach the N1.7trillion based on the present exchange rate in the market. What now happens to the remaining dollars?

Conversely, if the N800 to $1 is used to liquidate the loan fully, that implies that CBN used a fixed exchange rate to liquidate the dollar to naira. Who is paying for the shortfall? You see the confusion now?

Ok. That's a good way to look at it.

Then we should also consider that about 3.74 trillion is generated as against 1.7 so you could write a petition to question this or go through FOIA

Kukutente23:

What is strategic about borrowing? What about cutting down on wasteful spending? The lower exchange rate ensures that less of the money is reflected in the economy. Probably will be kept aside to be used to offset foreign expenditures such as all these their travellings

Perhaps not strategic however there's a shortfall in expected revenue inflow based on the original budget perhaps lower barrels of crude oil produced etc.?

Countries can secure loans at more favorable local currency values compared to dollar exchange rates through several methods, including central bank interventions, bilateral agreements, loans from international financial institutions, enhanced credit ratings, and the maintenance of stable currency regimes.

The thing is to identify which expenses have been made beyond the approved budget and which of these were previously identified as wasteful in the budget at the onset.

Kukutente23:
Grand slam
But truth be said, how can senate approve loans without any details as to what it will be used for and the repayment plan?
APC has mismanaged Nigeria massively
Just imagine. So the CBN will have to convert the dollar loan to naira at N800 which means the economy will still be shortchanged in terms of monetary value of the impact

It's understandable you want explicit detail on how this will be used but you shouldn't deny the $2.2 billion loan is a strategic move by Nigeria’s government to manage its budget deficit effectively while ensuring that essential projects continue to receive funding amidst challenging economic conditions.

There definitely are questions at how the lower exchange rate is derived but isn't this good that we are using less naira to the dollar? It raises questions too unless there are definite expenditure that will be paid for in dollars.

Bobloco:


https://dailypost.ng/2024/11/19/tinubu-seeks-the-senates-approval-of-fresh-n1-767tn-external-borrowing/

Can someone explain the disparity in the exchange rate please? N800 to $1 when the latest real rates are at least twice this value.

What's going on?

DeOTR:

Anybody stopping you from establishing your own manufacturing plants to compete with the Indians?

No one stopping however most of the equipment are not manufactured here.

Then they have the edge of huge supply so the competition is more in their favour.

Do you remember Emiefele's statement in 2015 on why imported toothpick would be sold at much cheaper price than if it was locally produced.

The internationals have access to much lower interest rates for trade and business less than 3% compared to over 25% here.

Don't get me wrong. It can be done but how easily?

Safety matches production in Nigeria accounts for less than 3% of the market size and some local companies are even foreigner owned.

Wananonly:
I like the idea of the ceremonial keys bro

Ceremonial? Who own the most successful industries here? As simple as the safety matches used comes from Indian imports.

The soft drink industry, chemicals, drugs and medicine etc is in their hands or you forget when they planned to sell garri to Nigeria in 2014? I am sure they have found away to sneak around this now.

Kukutente23:
Rigged election

You cannot keep doing the same thing while expecting a different result.

When you discuss with people you must acknowledge their hypocrisy. Is there a sincere commitment to do and be better?

The culture of stomach infrastructure politics still prevails and all don't have the means to execute and effect this in their favour despite it's impropriety

In honor of the OP, I personally would no longer post anymore entries on this thread.

I bid you farewell in your good endeavors.

GothamCities:


I don't think there was a differentiation in those days between alcoholic and none alcoholic wine. Wine was just wine. However, I don't believe that the Bible refers to alcoholic wine in its discourse, because the Bible makes a differentiation, even though none-jewish cultures didn't. Alcoholic wines in the Bible are not called wines but rather Strong Drinks. It is easy for commentators today to easily think that the wines the Bible refers to are alcoholic if they fail to understand the fact that the Bible calls alcoholic wines Strong Drinks.

Now, look for instance at the marriage in Cana of Galilee where Jesus turned water to wine. The MC of the occasion confessed that, that wine was a really different wine. It wasn't the type that obtainable anywhere, and you can agree with me that the wine was not alcoholic. People over drank because it was tasteful as we could deduce from the words of the MC. They really drank but no one was ever intoxicated. The Bible does not support the drinking of alcohol. Even when drinking none alcoholic wines, we're told to do it in moderation. No excessive drinking.

Don't be quick to make statements I believe there are Bible verses that tell you this.

Considering historical context, biblical texts, archaeological findings, and cultural practices of ancient Israelites, it is clear that they distinguished between alcoholic wine and non-alcoholic beverages.

Prov. 23:30-31
30 Those who linger over wine, who go to sample bowls of mixed wine.
31 Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly!

Numbers 6:3
he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.


The mention of mere grapes a fruit should tell you something.

GothamCities:


When we say wine in Christendom, we mean none alcoholic wine. We're not talking about the technicalities involved. Blackcurrant is not considered alcohol, and none alcoholic wines always come with the inscription "None Alcoholic". If we want to start going into technicalities like you have done in this your post, we'll then have to add most of the carbohydrates we eat. Technically speaking, most carbohydrates are alcoholic. This is not the type of alcohol content we're talking about. No Christians don't drink alcohol. Only church goers do.

Only the truth truly sets anyone free.

Historical evidence strongly indicates that the wine mentioned in biblical texts was, in fact, an alcoholic beverage. This is not in variance to present day definition as the screenshots containing descriptions show. You contemporary Christians should recognize this reality while also appreciating the cultural importance of wine in those historical contexts.

Even if it is less than 5% the fact remains that it contains alcohol. If some modern day christians appreciate the common tendency for abuse and decide to lie in calling what is not wine communion wine do remain upright at speak the truth. Communion wine is replaced by unfermented juice.

Carbohydrates are not alcohol don't try to dribble and misinform. A fermented Carbohydrate can become alcohol.

Carbohydrates are an essential macronutrient for energy but alcohol is a not an essential compound that has different, often complex, effects on the body.

I see your naivety in matters of the world. Do you know what the world authority do in labelling drinks as non alcoholic? These are alcoholic drinks with alcohol percentages they classify as insufficient to classify as non alcoholic. Ample consumption of these may have 'alcoholic effects' on some with low tolerance.

Bwilliam:


Brother, I wish I can give you a firm handshake.
You really know this death cult that's masquerading as a religion very well.
Some of the verses like the one that says ".. there is no compulsion in religion..." was issued when Mohammad had no army or band of thieves that he controlled, but that verse was quickly abrogated when he grew an army of followers by promising them rewards and riches if they followed him to raid the caravan of the Quresh tribes.

I'm re-reading the Quran, and it reminds me of Hitler's Mein kampf. It's just filled with the ranting of a man who was rightly rejected by Jews and Christians who saw through his pseudo religious facade.
The same man whose teenage wife Aisha saw through him when she said to Him "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires (hawa)"

When you read the Sira, hadiths and tasfirs, you'll understand why he hates Christians and loaths Jews with passion. His commands to his followers on how to treat Jews and Christians, is simply his way of getting back at a people whom he feels humiliated him.

Why then was a follow up verse not revealed compelling religion when the number of Muslims increased?

You will do very well and show credibility if you can show this verse.

GothamCities:

I hope you know that there are both alcoholic and non alcoholic wines. You talked about alcohol, and that's what I responded to. The wine that makes the heart glad, not the one that intoxicates.



Wine, not alcohol.


Wrong rendering.

If I say do not run after Satan but run after Jesus. Does that mean I'm saying "You can walk after Satan but run after Jesus?



No, we use blackcurrant in most cases.

Very fair attempt but look at these snapshots with institutionalized definition.

When did it become a concern to replace wine with juice?

Do all churches abandon wine for juice?

Ask a chemist if there is any such thing as a non alcoholic brew.
When you use blackcurrant is it the juice or blackcurrant flavoured wine.

Don't bother answering please.

The OP was only trying to pass a message and not open the floor for a debate originally spoken against.

PS THE ADOPTION OF JUICE AND NON ALCOHOLICS FOR COMMUNION IN SOME CHURCHES WASN'T BEFORE THE MIDDLE OF THE 19TH CENTURY.

GothamCities:


Christians don't drink alcohol. Only church-,goers do.

You're just trying to sugarcoat the verses and explain them away. The messages are very clear. Till today, Muslims hate Christians and Jews. They even preach against us in their mosques.

Well, you know the verse about the killing of the Jews and the betrayal of the rocks where they go hid themselves. A Muslim even quoted the verse for me here just last week while he was boasting that the prophecy will come to pass.

Psalm 114:15
"And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart


From a physiological perspective alcohol can have mild sedative effects, helping to relax the body and uplift mood, which may result in feelings of happiness or warmth.

Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit

You can drink but don't get drunk?

Traditionally, communion wine is alcoholic. In many Christian denominations, the wine used for communion is a fermented grape wine, usually with a low alcohol content.

Low-alcohol wines with a low alcohol content can lead to intoxication when enough is consumed.

AntiisIam:


So according to your own alfa and chief imam, Christians and Jews are not polytheists bah?

Sincerely ask yourself if you fall into the polytheist classification. Do you or don't you fall into this classification? Do you worship others alongside the almighty God, worship multiple 'Gods' or semblance of such.

GothamCities:


Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

There's another verse that says Muslims will wipe out the Jews from the face of the earth, and that as they hide among rocks, the rocks would betray them and tell the assaulting Muslims that a Jew is hiding by it, they should come and kill him.

There are other verses including hadiths that I cannot presently remember.

I explained the Verse Q5:51

honesttalk21:


Q5:51 O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are indeed allies of one another. And whoever among you takes them as allies - then surely, he is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

This verse highlights the significance of loyalty and allegiance among believers (Muslims) while urging caution in forming close ties with those who might be antagonistic towards Islam or its followers. It advises against taking Jews and Christians as close allies, as they may prioritize their own interests over those of the Muslim community. The verse encourages Muslims to be aware of their associations and to prioritize their faith and values in their relationships and alliances.

It doesn't satisfy you obviously.
You know what is said about peer pressure don't you. There is some difference in the concept of God in Christianity and Islam and if I may make a small example Christians do not have a problem drinking alcohol perhaps as long as they don't get drunk but this is totally forbidden in Islam.

Kindly show me the verse in the Quran that says Muslims will wipe out the Jews from the face of the earth?

GothamCities:


You explained only the last verse. The first ones addressed Christians and Jews directly.

Moreso, if there's no compulsion in religion, why should anyone be killed, even if that person is worships many idols?

honesttalk21:
I am not the least surprised as you have validated my statement about certain things are taken out of context or misconstrued.

In Surah Al-Anfal (8:12), Allah says: "Remember when your Lord inspired the angels, 'I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike them upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.'"

It may benefit you to understand that this verse is situated within the context of the Battle of Badr, one of the earliest and most significant battles in Islamic history. During this battle, Muslims faced a much larger Quraysh army.

The Quraysh army at the Battle of Badr, commanded by prominent leaders like Abu Jahl, was driven mainly by pride, a desire for vengeance, and a deep commitment to their traditional beliefs. They considered themselves the protectors of the polytheistic customs of their ancestors and perceived the rising Muslim community as a significant threat to their religious, social, and economic dominance.

The verse conveys a message of divine support to believers (Muslims), where Allah reassures the believers by informing them that He has sent angels to aid them. This assistance is both spiritual and meant to instill confidence and strength among the Muslim fighters.

The mention of casting "terror into the hearts" of disbelievers signifies Allah’s intervention to undermine the enemy's morale, helping the Muslim army despite their numerical disadvantage. This support highlights the importance of relying on Allah’s help during challenging times. The directive to strike at their "necks" and "fingertips" specifically refers to incapacitating the enemy’s ability to inflict harm, symbolizing a decisive and defensive approach in battle rather than promoting aggression.

This verse, therefore, illustrates both a strategic aspect of survival in battle and a spiritual lesson on faith and reliance on Allah during difficult times.

Please the Quraysh tribe, who opposed the Prophet Muhammad pbuh during the Battle of Badr, were mainly polytheists, not Christians or Jews; it appears you see otherwise. At that time, the Quraysh were the leading tribe in Makkah and were deeply engaged in idol worship.

Do take time to read through my responses which are done to the individual verses you initially listed.

GothamCities:


I've quoted the Quran that shows Allah doesn't tolerate Christians, and there's compulsion in religion as far as Islam is concerned.

You don't actually understand the post of the OP. The OP is writing against any form of retaliatory remarks or initiated insults by Christians because such attitudes are not Christlike. And indeed, there's no one who insults others or retaliates offences, who'll rightly call himself a Christian.

I have explained the meaning and context of the verses to show what is meant isn't what you think.

GothamCities:


What about the other verses that speak directly against Christians and Jews? Did the Quran not tell you to fight Jews until they're annihilated? Infact, you have it in your Quran that you'll so kill Jews and defeat them with the rocks betraying them while hiding.

What I have posted is the truth about Islam and do not want anyone to be deceived thinking that Islam has anything good for Christians or Jews.

Perhaps if you exactly list these verses we can discuss or review them.

GothamCities:


I didn't misconstrue his post. My response is to the Mohammedian who wants to descent people to make them think that Islam is tolerant towards Christians and Muslims.

Read my post again and you'll see that I said Christians who don't retaliate insults are ideally following the principles of Christ, which is what the OP was trying to say in a nutshell.

Fortunately I and the OP appear to understand each other and are not at dispute.

I will lie to claim what you mean by Mohammedian. In any case Islam emphasizes tolerance and respect towards Christians, as well as other people of the book, a term in the Quran that includes Jews and Christians.

Indeed, those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and works righteousness—shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." (Quran, 2:62)

And do not argue with the People of the Book except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, 'We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him. (Quran, 29:46)

And had Allah not repelled some people by means of some others, the monasteries, the churches, the synagogues and the mosques where the name of Allah is recited abundantly would have been demolished”.

Allah will certainly help those who stand up for Him. Allah is truly All-Powerful, Almighty.Quran 22:40


Read into the Charter of Medina and the Treaty with Christians of Najran.

TimiRume:
Brother I'm not against you neither is the God that has given you and I breath. Oh how he loves us and wants a relationship with us collectively and individually. Everyday we face the challenge of guilt and shame in relation to our walk with this God but when we get to know him, we will know that he made us complete. First he created us, and when we fell into fault, he provided a sacrifice to redeem us back to him. He is our creator and definitely our saviour. He alone knows us thoroughly even our very hairs on our heads are numbered.

How can we think God does not want us as close as being a part of his family? We can't draw near if we still have guilt in our heart. We would stay away from him. How we misunderstand him and believe different versions about him when even his creations show his warmth, his openess, beauty and humour. Who would teach us about God if not God himself. We think of the best teachers as those who know their students so well and are known by them so well too. How can we think God will fall short of these important relationship standards?

I am not judging or codemning you. Your response is a very natural one that even God understands. May our Creator take over this conversation for his glory. Amen🙏

I commended your original post and still do. The ease with which many things get misconstrued is all that is emphasized to help grow mutual cordiality.

You see the response of Gothamcities where he has shown gross misunderstanding of the context and meaning of picked verses.

GothamCities:


I have no single objection with all that the OP has said because he's right through and through. Many of the people of other religions are very provocative in that they hurl insults at you without you ever insulting them. Some 2 Jehovah Witnesses I know on this platform are culprits. Muslims do it too very often. They actually start by calling you a liar for obvious truths you've said, then, they graduate to being vulgar. The atheists do it freely as well. I'm not saying christians don't start insults but in most cases, others do, and christians retaliate. I have seen christians who don't retaliate. Several of them are on this platform. These fellows are following the principles of Christ while other religionists are following the principles of their religions.

It is a lie that Islam tolerates others. All the talk of "no compulsion in religion" is deception. Muslims use this just to deceive. The Allah of the Quran outrightly instructs Muslims to kill and maim Christians and Jews, and never to make friends with them:

Quran 9:5

Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (Christians and Jews) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

In this verse it is better you identify and understand what is the meaning of mushrikoon.

The term "mushrikoon" refers to polytheists or individuals who associate partners with Allah in their worship. In Islamic terminology, a mushrik is someone who commits shirk, which means associating partners with Allah or worshiping other deities alongside Him. Shirk is regarded as a major sin in Islam and contradicts the core belief in the oneness of Allah (Tawheed).

The question is are those who associate partners with God = Christians and Jews

GothamCities:


I have no single objection with all that the OP has said because he's right through and through. Many of the people of other religions are very provocative in that they hurl insults at you without you ever insulting them. Some 2 Jehovah Witnesses I know on this platform are culprits. Muslims do it too very often. They actually start by calling you a liar for obvious truths you've said, then, they graduate to being vulgar. The atheists do it freely as well. I'm not saying christians don't start insults but in most cases, others do, and christians retaliate. I have seen christians who don't retaliate. Several of them are on this platform. These fellows are following the principles of Christ while other religionists are following the principles of their religions.

It is a lie that Islam tolerates others. All the talk of "no compulsion in religion" is deception. Muslims use this just to deceive. The Allah of the Quran outrightly instructs Muslims to kill and maim Christians and Jews, and never to make friends with them:

Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk

Q5:51 O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are indeed allies of one another. And whoever among you takes them as allies - then surely, he is one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

This verse highlights the significance of loyalty and allegiance among believers (Muslims) while urging caution in forming close ties with those who might be antagonistic towards Islam or its followers. It advises against taking Jews and Christians as close allies, as they may prioritize their own interests over those of the Muslim community. The verse encourages Muslims to be aware of their associations and to prioritize their faith and values in their relationships and alliances.

GothamCities:


I have no single objection with all that the OP has said because he's right through and through. Many of the people of other religions are very provocative in that they hurl insults at you without you ever insulting them. Some 2 Jehovah Witnesses I know on this platform are culprits. Muslims do it too very often. They actually start by calling you a liar for obvious truths you've said, then, they graduate to being vulgar. The atheists do it freely as well. I'm not saying christians don't start insults but in most cases, others do, and christians retaliate. I have seen christians who don't retaliate. Several of them are on this platform. These fellows are following the principles of Christ while other religionists are following the principles of their religions.

It is a lie that Islam tolerates others. All the talk of "no compulsion in religion" is deception. Muslims use this just to deceive. The Allah of the Quran outrightly instructs Muslims to kill and maim Christians and Jews, and never to make friends with them:

Quran 9:29

Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah  

Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated

This verse 9:29 specifically addresses the need to confront those who do not believe in Allah, the Last Day, and do not adhere to the true religion as revealed by Allah and His Messenger. It includes individuals who disregard what Allah has deemed unlawful and do not follow the authentic faith. The verse states that fighting should continue until they willingly pay the jizyah (tax) as a sign of submission while remaining humble.

Understanding the context and conditions under which such verses were revealed, along with the principles of justice and mercy that guide Islamic teachings on warfare, is crucial.

The Quran directs Muslims to engage with those among the People of the Book who, despite having received divine revelation, fail to maintain belief in Allah or the Last Day, do not prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not adhere to the true religion. Is this not an act of hypocrisy claiming to believe and follow God yet engaging in what he forbids? Perhaps you should also look at Quran 9:28 that says O believers! Indeed, the polytheists are ˹spiritually˺ impure,so they should not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year. If you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you out of His bounty, if He wills. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

This verse 9:29 indicates that the struggle continues until they willingly pay the jizya tax, thereby recognizing Islamic authority as an alternative to conflict.

This verse pertains to earlier revealed communities, such as Christians and Jews, in a context of resistance or hostility towards the Muslim community, especially those who were actively opposing or attacking Muslims during the time of the Prophet Muhammad. Nevertheless, it affirms that peaceful coexistence can be achieved through the jizya, a tax that symbolizes the protection and administrative services offered by the Islamic state to non-Muslim citizens residing within its borders.

I am not the least surprised as you have validated my statement about certain things are taken out of context or misconstrued.

In Surah Al-Anfal (8:12), Allah says: "Remember when your Lord inspired the angels, 'I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike them upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.'"

It may benefit you to understand that this verse is situated within the context of the Battle of Badr, one of the earliest and most significant battles in Islamic history. During this battle, Muslims faced a much larger Quraysh army.

The Quraysh army at the Battle of Badr, commanded by prominent leaders like Abu Jahl, was driven mainly by pride, a desire for vengeance, and a deep commitment to their traditional beliefs. They considered themselves the protectors of the polytheistic customs of their ancestors and perceived the rising Muslim community as a significant threat to their religious, social, and economic dominance.

The verse conveys a message of divine support to believers (Muslims), where Allah reassures the believers by informing them that He has sent angels to aid them. This assistance is both spiritual and meant to instill confidence and strength among the Muslim fighters.

The mention of casting "terror into the hearts" of disbelievers signifies Allah’s intervention to undermine the enemy's morale, helping the Muslim army despite their numerical disadvantage. This support highlights the importance of relying on Allah’s help during challenging times. The directive to strike at their "necks" and "fingertips" specifically refers to incapacitating the enemy’s ability to inflict harm, symbolizing a decisive and defensive approach in battle rather than promoting aggression.

This verse, therefore, illustrates both a strategic aspect of survival in battle and a spiritual lesson on faith and reliance on Allah during difficult times.