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Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 2:59pm On Aug 22, 2013
Ceekay: please where can i find a list of universities in canada that offer winter admission
i need to be in canada and schooling by jan 2014 (i believe thats when winter session starts)
I just need to find the list of schools and i'll take it from there
Canada hopefuls or those already there please help
Computer networking or any IT related course is what i have in mind and as such has to do with an institute of technology or something that provides hands on training
Thanks
Please follow that link @xtus gave you, my advise is to look for colleges because they give admission quite faster;you have precisely 4months to winter. You could still explore universities,there's no harm in trying sha....just be time conscious.All the best.
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 2:51pm On Aug 22, 2013
[b]TEAM WINTER (JANUARY2014)
1. Olabo_key ? Seneca College JUNE 21 Paper route
2. .Huzzie PG Centennial JULY 16 Paper route
3. Chrigo PG Lambton JULY 30 Paper route
4. Adim02 PG Niagara College AUGUST 19 Paper route
5. Clow PG Humber August ? Paper route
6. Teexzle PG Lambton
7. Bashtec9 PG Sheridan
8. Oreroyce UG UoRegina
9. Janut PG UoRegina
10. Humanshado PG UBC
11. Meyson UG UoRegina
12. Kicon PG centennial college
13. Teapea UG MUN
14. Cherokee ? Concordia/Dalhouise/UoRegina
15. Gwobo PG UoManitoba/UoSask/UoRegina
16. Ugoh11 PG Uocalgary/MUN
17. EMEKS86 UG UNB
18. Richard4ssky PG GeorgeBrown
19. Soweto ?
20. Tolyem Dip Keyano/Mohawk Collg
21. seunlovesa UG Brandon uni
22. Addey101 UG Dalhousie
23. Joe batters PG Fanshawe College
24. Omo Ondo PG Niagara College
25. Gdjay UG Brandon uni
26. Kunsoft PG Lambton/Fanshawe/Red river
27. Missbon PG Fanshawe College
28. Mike PG Humber College

N.B- If you are a prospective student for winter admission please indicate, you would have to provide your intended level and university/college.
*submission date
**Mode of submission: online/paper

Cheers
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Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 8:30am On Aug 22, 2013
laureek: Sorry to hear this.Like someone said it's just a delay.not a denial.
I also would like to add this.First,are you sure the agent you used put you through because I don't see any reason why giving you your tracking no should be against their policy.it is yours,moreover you paid them.
2ndly,the letter you got,was it sealed? Is it really from cdhc
I'm sorry if this sounds foolish but I think you should be sure of all these.The error could be from them and we can also learn from it . I'd advise you take to the advise of the experienced people here and don't give up.Go get it.it's yours.

All the best.

He only needs clarification on way forward because this denial happened over 2weeks ago and the house was informed. You are actually right about confirming those information;when I was denied too in my previous attempt using an agent the first thing i did was confirm on vfs website.
Using an agent doesnt guarantee anything but sure has its advantage but cant remove tension ooooooo.
@Anabor....my dad was my sponsor with about 11m+,was going for a program of about 4m+ with a yr duration....yet i was told sponsor not credible and blah blah. So my advise is to assess your docx properly and work on any loop hole you assume could have affected your application. All the best bro..
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 10:27am On Aug 21, 2013
Obajamie: Heloo my pple...Greeting from Gen. Obajamie. Just a quick one, am new here and will appreciate ur advice on some issues about my education.
I got admitted to University of Texas for Fall session dis year but my parents won't allow ♍ε̲̣ go dia, to dem Canada is far better and they are nt changing dia mind.
Since I don't have the money to train mysef for nw, I hav to oblige..
My questions are;
Can I still secure admission for winter 2014 session?
Which schools are cool wit dia admissions? My field is Geology
Wats d visa application process lik?
Do i still have time to look for school, get admission, do the necessary visa application before start date of January 2014?
Can someone help ♍ε̲̣ wit a link of wat and wat is required for visa application.
On ur own as an individual, do u think I shld forget my Texas admission and face the Canada own?

Thanking u all in anticipation for ur favourable responses.
You can still secure admission for winter 2014 but might cut deep into your visa processing period which is between 4-6months but if you intent going for a research base masters then its better to wait till Spring(May)/ Fall(september) 2014 admissions because the time it will take you to get a supervisor and admission would really affect the winter admission,there's no harm in trying. check theses sites http://www.aucc.ca/ and http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/study/institutions/participants.asp. Though colleges are quite faster in giving admission than universities.
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 10:06am On Aug 21, 2013
[b]TEAM WINTER (JANUARY2014)
1.Huzzie PG Centennial JULY 16 Paper route
2.Chrigo PG Lambton JULY 30 Paper route
3.Adim02 PG Niagara College AUGUST 19 Paper route
4.Clow PG Humber August ? Paper route
5.Teexzle PG Lambton
6.Bashtec9 PG Sheridan
7.Oreroyce UG UoRegina
8.Janut PG UoRegina
9.Humanshado PG UBC
10.Meyson UG UoRegina
11.Kicon PG centennial college
12.Teapea UG MUN
13.Cherokee ? Concordia/Dalhouise/UoRegina
14.Gwobo PG UoManitoba/UoSask/UoRegina
15.Ugoh11 PG Uocalgary/MUN
16.EMEKS86 UG UNB
17.Richard4ssky PG GeorgeBrown
18.Soweto ?
19.Tolyem Dip Keyano/Mohawk Collg
20.seunlovesa UG Brandon uni
21.Addey101 UG Dalhousie
22.Joe batters PG Fanshawe College
23.Omo Ondo PG Niagara College
24.Gdjay UG Brandon uni
25. Kunsoft PG Lambton/Fanshawe/Red river
26. Missbon PG Fanshawe College
27. Mike PG Humber College

N.B- If you are a prospective student for winter admission please indicate, you would have to provide your intended level and university/college.
*submission date
**Mode of submission: online/paper

Cheers
[/b]

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Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 4:07pm On Aug 20, 2013
Fhemmmy:

Na you be chairman at the top oh
I dodge am...I prostrate for ground sir,if not that this forum is faceless;nah daddy n mummy we suppose dy call somepeople. If permitted to travel wiv beef roll; na one carton I go bring for u sir because he plenty for our shop; just mention it; Gala, superbite, beefie,meatie,rite etc.
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 3:27pm On Aug 20, 2013
mosquitoway: @ oga fhemmy,when i was on nairaland part 3 i remember it was d best info source and help here got me to canada,i rily hope it remains somewhere admission and visa hopefuls get the info they need...see you all in canada
Its about time.....this forum has been resourceful,is resourceful and will continue to be resourceful no matter what. If we go back to part 1,2...till date,different kinds of people has come and gone .
I will continue to appreciate Oga (Fhemmy&Siga) for their immense contribution because they never left us hanging#May God favour you#.
CDHC please give forumite good news so that we can move on; any TRV or medical news.
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 9:11am On Aug 20, 2013
ADEMOLA AAUA: I applied to a university in Canada for my PG,i asked a friend in Canada to pay the processing fee on my behalf,i would like to knw whatelse to do?
You still have alot to do...one step at a time. If you have questions make it specific and peeps wud b glad to help out. You can as well acquaint ur self wiv ds part 4 and u wud get loads of info.Wlc on board.
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 7:15am On Aug 20, 2013
[b]TEAM WINTER (JANUARY2014)
1.Huzzie PG Centennial JULY 16 Paper route
2.Chrigo PG Lambton JULY 30 Paper route
3.Adim02 PG Niagara College AUGUST 19 Paper route
4.Clow PG Humber August ? Paper route
5.Teexzle PG Lambton
6.Bashtec9 PG Sheridan
7.Oreroyce UG UoRegina
8.Janut PG UoRegina
9.Humanshado PG UBC
10.Meyson UG UoRegina
11.Kicon PG centennial college
12.Teapea UG MUN
13.Cherokee ? Concordia/Dalhouise/UoRegina
14.Gwobo PG UoManitoba/UoSask/UoRegina
15.Ugoh11 PG Uocalgary/MUN
16.EMEKS86 UG UNB
17.Richard4ssky PG GeorgeBrown
18.Soweto ?
19.Tolyem Dip Keyano/Mohawk Collg
20.seunlovesa UG Brandon uni
21.Addey101 UG Dalhousie
22.Joe batters PG Fanshawe College
23.Omo Ondo PG Niagara College
24.Gdjay UG Brandon uni
25. Kunsoft PG Lambton/Fanshawe/Red river
26. Missbon PG Fanshawe College
27. Mike PG Humber College

N.B- If you are a prospective student for winter admission please indicate, you would have to provide your intended level and university/college.
*submission date
**Mode of submission: online/paper

Cheers
[/b]
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 5:45pm On Aug 19, 2013
Medical hopefuls wetin dey happen....any news today!!!
Fall admission period is always the busiest for CDHC, I pray for you all....the worse should be a request for a new start date;we no want denial in this house again##Good news all the way##
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 4:58pm On Aug 19, 2013
solomonwis:

How did you know it was you I was referring to?

So you obviously know you are constituting a nuisance to this thread ever since you brought your coconut head here. why didn't you take a cue from the people here before you? Did you see the number of people asking you to stop embarrassing yourself?

Pls leave space for meaningful discussion!
With due respect sir, we are one in this house and your comment is doing no good, if you dont like something or someone you dont have to get violent or abusive about it. pls act according to your name sir#No disrespect sir#

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Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 12:15pm On Aug 19, 2013
ChriGo: Omo!!! Winter applicant many ooo!! shocked shocked.....LET THE RACE BEGIN!!! grin grin.....lets c who's gona b d usain bolt and tyson gay on dis list....buh i definitely know we will all get to d TRV finish line !!!grin grin....oga huzzie do u mind explaining why teexzle's name is no 24 frm no 3... grin grin...
gringrin...oga mi,ur eyes shrp wella .D submission date is d main tracking mechanism for monitoring the whole processing time on this forum. All I did ws replace Teexzle place with Adim02.I know Teexzle wudnt mind cos she b my personal person

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Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 11:06am On Aug 19, 2013
[b]TEAM WINTER (JANUARY2014)
1. Huzzie PG Centennial JULY 16 Paper route
2. Chrigo PG Lambton JULY 30 Paper route
3. Adim02 PG Niagara College AUGUST 19 Paper route
4. Clow PG Humber August ? Paper route
5. Teexzle PG Lambton
6. Bashtec9 PG Sheridan
7. Oreroyce UG UoRegina
8. Janut PG UoRegina
9. Humanshado PG UBC
10. Meyson UG UoRegina
11. Kicon PG centennial college
12. Teapea UG MUN
13. Cherokee ? Concordia/Dalhouise/UoRegina
14. Gwobo PG UoManitoba/UoSask/UoRegina
15. Ugoh11 PG Uocalgary/MUN
16. EMEKS86 UG UNB
17. Richard4ssky PG GeorgeBrown
18. Soweto ?
19. Tolyem Dip Keyano/Mohawk Collg
20. seunlovesa UG Brandon uni
21. Addey101 UG Dalhousie
22. Joe batters PG Fanshawe College
23. Omo Ondo PG Niagara College
24. Gdjay UG Brandon uni
25. Kunsoft PG Lambton/Fanshawe/Red river
26. Missbon PG Fanshawe College

N.B- If you are a prospective student for winter admission please indicate, you would have to provide your intended level and university/college.
*submission date
**Mode of submission: online/paper

Cheers
[/b]

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Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 10:41am On Aug 19, 2013
Any news from the medical hopefuls that said they would storm CDHC today
@clow n Kicon...dnt forget to update me with your submission date.
@ all winter applicants be mindful of the processing time because by september we will have precisely 4months to Winter resumption.
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 2:49pm On Aug 18, 2013
ChriGo: Where is oga Earthgreeners and oga Playpays....iya mulika don cum knock ma door now oo undecided...she dy ask 4 her money oo undecided...i don je gbese!! shocked....i ended up drinking 40 rounds yestd oo with hangovergrin grin...i no c ya hand oo undecided...
U almost made pepper come out of my nose grin...if nah ur own medical call nko,aw many bottles u for take!
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 9:39am On Aug 18, 2013
[b]TEAM WINTER (JANUARY2014)
1. Huzzie PG Centennial JULY 16 Paper route
2. Chrigo PG Lambton JULY 30 Paper route
3. Clow PG Humber August ? Paper route
4. Teexzle PG Lambton
5. Bashtec9 PG Sheridan
6. Oreroyce UG UoRegina
7. Janut PG UoRegina
8. Humanshado PG UBC
9. Meyson UG UoRegina
10. Kicon PG centennial college
11. Teapea UG MUN
12. Cherokee ? Concordia/Dalhouise/UoRegina
13. Gwobo PG UoManitoba/UoSask/UoRegina
14. Ugoh11 PG Uocalgary/MUN
15. EMEKS86 UG UNB
16. Richard4ssky PG GeorgeBrown
17. Soweto ?
18. Tolyem Dip Keyano/Mohawk Collg
19. seunlovesa UG Brandon uni
20. Addey101 UG Dalhousie
21. Joe batters PG Fanshawe College
22.Omo Ondo PG Niagara College
23. Gdjay UG Brandon uni
24. Adim02 PG Niagara College
25. Kunsoft PG Lambton/Fanshawe/Red river
26. Missbon PG Fanshawe College

N.B- If you are a prospective student for winter admission please indicate, you would have to provide your intended level and university/college.
*submission date
**Mode of submission: online/paper

Cheers
[/b]
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 4:08pm On Aug 17, 2013
earthgreeners: All praise to almighty Allah...

I just gat email from CIC..... Medical instruction dropped

Applied > June 11th at VFS
University of Manitoba
gringringrin....I am vry vry happy for you sir,Alhamdulilah...Srzly I need a hug now.You have bn vry helpful to us all on this forum#for oga siga to have bn silently praying for u...# alele go do ur medicals kia kia. InshaAllah ur TRV is nxt.
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 3:03pm On Aug 17, 2013
@Lucky don...I sight you;Indeed I salute you sir but its high time you visited CDHC.God will surprise you by his mercy.
@Chrisgo...Oga mi you have indeed made the house lively amid tension since you came on board...#Standing ovation for you sir# I would love to be on the same plane with you come winter by his mercy. cool

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Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 11:54am On Aug 17, 2013
Life sha see @kjbobo n Nuendo analysing whre medicals are sent wen odaz on d medical hopefuls list dy fast n pray say make dem jst do medicals even if nah 4 dream, I dnt think @Lucky don,galala123 et al go mind if dem go fit do am 4 LASUTH or LUTH tongue
So guys(Nuendo n Kjbobo) take it easy its just TRV anxiety,#who cares...nah TRV b d main d main#God's willing nxt wk is ur week.

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Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 11:13am On Aug 17, 2013
[b]TEAM WINTER (JANUARY2014)
1. Huzzie PG Centennial JULY 16 Paper route
2. Chrigo PG Lambton JULY 30 Paper route
3. Clow PG Humber August ? Paper route
4. Teexzle PG Lambton
5. Bashtec9 PG Sheridan
6. Oreroyce UG UoRegina
7. Janut PG UoRegina
8. Humanshado PG UBC
9. Meyson UG UoRegina
10. Kicon PG centennial college
11. Teapea UG MUN
12. Cherokee ? Concordia/Dalhouise/UoRegina
13. Gwobo PG UoManitoba/UoSask/UoRegina
14. Ugoh11 PG Uocalgary/MUN
15. EMEKS86 UG UNB
16. Richard4ssky PG GeorgeBrown
17. Soweto ?
18. Tolyem Dip Keyano/Mohawk Collg
19. seunlovesa UG Brandon uni
20. Addey101 UG Dalhousie
21. Joe batters PG Fanshawe College
22.Omo Ondo PG Niagara College
23. Gdjay UG Brandon uni
24. Adim02 PG Niagara College
25. Kunsoft PG Lambton/Fanshawe/Red river

N.B- If you are a prospective student for winter admission please indicate, you would have to provide your intended level and university/college.
*submission date
**Mode of submission: online/paper

Cheers
[/b]
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 11:12am On Aug 17, 2013
clow:

Humber college,january 2014.
Paper Route.
Tnx...UG or PGD, and pls update me with d date wen u submit.
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 9:33am On Aug 17, 2013
@clow n padolife ...pls I need your details for my TEAM winter list.All the best
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 6:01pm On Aug 16, 2013
TEAM WINTER (JANUARY2014)
1. Huzzie PG Centennial JULY 16 Paper route
2. Chrigo PG Lambton JULY 30 Paper route
3. Teexzle PG Lambton
4. Bashtec9 PG Sheridan
5. Oreroyce UG UoRegina
6. Janut PG UoRegina
7. Humanshado PG UBC
8. Meyson UG UoRegina
9. Kicon PG centennial college
10. Teapea UG MUN
11. Cherokee ? Concordia/Dalhouise/UoRegina
12. Gwobo PG UoManitoba/UoSask/UoRegina
13. Ugoh11 PG Uocalgary/MUN
14. EMEKS86 UG UNB
15. Richard4ssky PG GeorgeBrown
16. Soweto ?
17. Tolyem Dip Keyano/Mohawk Collg
18. seunlovesa UG Brandon uni
19. Addey101 UG Dalhousie
20. Joe batters PG Fanshawe College
21.Omo Ondo PG Niagara College
22. Gdjay UG Brandon uni
23. Adim02 PG Niagara College

N.B- If you are a prospective student for winter admission please indicate, you would have to provide your intended level and university/college.
*submission date
**Mode of submission: online/paper

Cheers
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 10:33am On Aug 15, 2013
PlayPays: My dark shades on cool in a keke napep heading back home fresh from CDCH. Tho procssing time might be long but this inquiry time is fast as noodles. Filled the form, few mins later a female rep called my phone to tell me my App is still within d processing time so I asked what she would advised as my start date is just in 3wks and she was like; I just have to CHILL! I wanted to offer her a lunch as her voice was sexy but I r'mba I'm still saving for canny. :d
At least now you are sure your docx are bn processed...all the best.
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 10:30am On Aug 15, 2013
kayconsult: @ playpays. Wen you get to the embassy,tell the security at the gate that you want to collect a withdrawal form,wen he gives you don't ever try withdrawing ur doc if not no more canny for you. what u will go ahead in filling in the form are your names as written on your passport,date of birth,reference no qouted on ur vfs receipt,reason for enquiry, n ur telephone no so dat the VO can call u rite away. Then submit the form back to the security man.
I dont know if the forms are different, all you need tell the security guy is that you want to inquire about your application status....when I went to CDHC in april for the same purpose, i was called on phone in less than 2hours.
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 2:18pm On Aug 14, 2013
Burningflamz: To God be the glory.I just picked my medical instruction and heading to cdhc for my medical call as it wasn't sent to my email.
Submitted May 10.told to pay 1year tuition and accommodation.
This is my 3rd application and I bless you all here.Oga Siga,Earthgreeners,Imade,Wura,Efosa,Spencer,Fhemmy,Iwinosajack and u,I say a BIg thank you for your advise and help.Couldn't stop crying when I tracked this morning.Delay is not denial,God is indeed FAITHFUL.
congrats bro...try ur best in doing ur medicals this week so as to prompt ur TRV.
I av joined Chrigo n d tapping crew,I tap 4rm ur blessing.
@ all medical hopefuls...ctr tracking tinz.

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Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 1:41pm On Aug 14, 2013
TEAM WINTER (JANUARY2014)
1. Huzzie PG Centennial JULY 16 Paper route
2. Chrigo PG Lambton JULY 30 Paper route
3. Teexzle PG Lambton
4. Bashtec9 PG Sheridan
5. Oreroyce UG UoRegina
6. Janut PG UoRegina
7. Humanshado PG UBC
8. Meyson UG UoRegina
9. Kicon PG centennial college
10. Teapea UG MUN
11. Cherokee ? Concordia/Dalhouise/UoRegina
12. Gwobo PG UoManitoba/UoSask/UoRegina
13. Ugoh11 PG Uocalgary/MUN
14. EMEKS86 UG UNB
15. Richard4ssky PG GeorgeBrown
16. Soweto ?
17. Tolyem Dip Keyano/Mohawk Collg
18. seunlovesa UG Brandon uni
19. Addey101 UG Dalhousie
20. Joe batters PG Fanshawe College
21.Omo Ondo PG Niagara College
22. Gdjay UG Brandon uni
23. Adim02 PG Niagara College

N.B- If you are a prospective student for winter admission please indicate, you would have to provide your intended level and university/college.
*submission date
**Mode of submission: online/paper

Cheers
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 9:10am On Aug 13, 2013
TEAM WINTER (JANUARY2014)
1. Huzzie PG Centennial JULY 16 Paper route
2. Chrigo PG Lambton JULY 30 Paper route
3. Teexzle PG Lambton
4. Bashtec9 PG Sheridan
5. Oreroyce UG UoRegina
6. Janut PG UoRegina
7. Humanshado PG UBC
8. Meyson UG UoRegina
9. Kicon PG centennial college
10. Teapea UG MUN
11. Cherokee ? Concordia/Dalhouise/UoRegina
12. Gwobo PG UoManitoba/UoSask/UoRegina
13. Ugoh11 PG Uocalgary/MUN
14. EMEKS86 UG UNB
15. Richard4ssky PG GeorgeBrown
16. Soweto ?
17. Tolyem Dip Keyano/Mohawk Collg
18. seunlovesa UG Brandon uni
19. Addey101 UG Dalhousie
20. Joe batters PG Fanshawe College
21.Omo Ondo PG Niagara College
22. Gdjay UG Brandon uni

N.B- If you are a prospective student for winter admission please indicate, you would have to provide your intended level and university/college.
*submission date
**Mode of submission: online/paper

Cheers
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 6:21pm On Aug 12, 2013
ChriGo: lol....dis wk na dia wk 4 shizzle after dem call dem 4 med we go chase dem comot!!!....
My Oga don talk oooooo...Oya fall dudes make una do comot 4 us.CDHC make una self do give my ogaz dem TRV.lol.
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 5:59pm On Aug 12, 2013
earthgreeners: Suggest
You dah Boss...Ever since u submitted u had already tot of d possibility of goin in 4 Winter since u av multiple start date.All awaitees, no yawa,God go do am
Travel / Re: Travelling To Canada Part 4 by Huzzie: 5:27pm On Aug 12, 2013
earthgreeners: THE HOPEFULS (Fall 2013)

1) luckydon: May 2
2) bumfem: May 6
3) onuawuchi: May 7
4) librasat: May 7
5) galala123: May 7
6) azeezwl: May 8
7) Pwunmi: May 10
8 ) joeblack62: May 21
9) tebenezer80: May 28
10) freshdude: May 30
11) adewaleafolabi: May 30
12) ancient1: June 4
13) earthgreeners: June 11
14) efosa12345: June 13
15) donteejay: June 20
16) Akanmu2013: June 28


Any1 gat medics today?
I don't mean to scare any1, if u dnt get ur medicals ds wik and ur resumptn is 1st wik in sept; start thinkin of alternative approach.

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