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 Religion / Re: Worst Religious Groups by Itsfacts: 11:29am On Jun 07, 2013 |
frosbel: You forgot to add, Pentecostals , Evangelicals, Zionists, Mormons etc. mormonism was there... i did my best to name few. should have named Justin bieber fanaticism too  |
| Religion / Re: Worst Religious Groups by Itsfacts: 11:27am On Jun 07, 2013 |
outc@st: satanism only the name is enough spiritism is against bible principles Scientology is against bible principles roman catholic are like cult worship idols worship popes muslims kill in the name of God too violent and cant tolerate other religion mormons are like jehovah witness, jesus came and choose them as the only through religious group jehovahs witness same behavior as mormons house of yahweh are similar to jehovahs witness |
| Religion / Worst Religious Groups by Itsfacts: 10:43am On Jun 07, 2013 |
What are your opinions on the worst Religious groups? 1. satanism 2. spiritism 3. Scientology 4. Roman Catholics 5. Muslims 6. Mormons 7. Jehovah's Witnesses 3 Likes |
| Religion / 2 Witness Rule Of The Watchtower And How It Protect Child Abusers by Itsfacts: 9:33am On Jun 07, 2013 |
[size=18pt]“We will decide who is a predator!” – New Watchtower Instructions to Elders on Child Abuse[/size] The Watch Tower Society has issued a new letter to all Bodies of Elders instructing them on how to handle cases of child abuse in the wake of the Candace Conti verdict. It was hoped that the Governing Body would use the lessons learned from the Conti case to bring the Society’s child protection policy into conformity with the law, not to mention the basic principles of community responsibility. However, it is shocking to note that this October 1st letter addresses none of the key procedural flaws that lead to the children of Jehovah’s Witnesses being routinely exposed to predatory pedophiles within the organization. Such individuals are often aware of the loopholes in the judicial practices of Witnesses and how to effectively exploit these to gain access to new victims. Still, despite the jury’s multi-million dollar award of punitive damages against the Society in the Conti case, little is being done to ensure that similar cases do not arise in the future. If anything, the Society has rigidly stuck to its stance on the “two witness rule” and has assumed yet more jurisdiction for itself in deliberating over these sensitive and often complex cases. In an astonishing development, the Society is now insisting that the branch office should have the final word in deciding whether a pedophile is to be considered a “predator”, or even a “known child molester”. Only if the brothers at the branch office determine that a brother is a “predator” can parents in the local congregation be warned of his tendencies. Only if the branch office decides that a brother is a “known child molester” can he be blocked from ever serving as an elder. Many would rightly argue that whether or not someone is to be classified in these ways depends on the local law enforcement authorities, not some remote branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Barbara Anderson, who is a well-known campaigner for the protection of children in the organization, noted the significance of these dramatic changes in policy, saying: “Both of these are radical departures from Watchtower’s historical position that matters are decided locally.” She added, “By taking these decisions in-house, Watchtower is admitting that judicial decisions are not made purely by local elders on the scene. This is a pill being swallowed by Watchtower, the result of recent litigation. I believe this letter opens up the Watchtower for more liability, not less. In my opinion, a religion shouldn’t be making a psychological/criminal evaluation that others in the religion are counting upon. This could lead to serious problems.” The letter was once available for download on these pages, but has now been removed for legal reasons. However, if you have a friend or relative who is an elder, he should be able to confirm its existence. In the next few paragraphs I will be explaining (with quotes) why this letter falls so woefully short in offering guidance to elders that would genuinely serve to protect Witness children, and why so little has changed despite the June 2012 verdict. [size=18pt]The “Two Witness Rule” still stands[/size] At the epicenter of the Watch Tower Society’s entire approach to the handling of cases of child abuse is their love affair with the “two witness rule”. It is because of this rule that a pedophile is considered innocent unless two people witnessed the abuse (the victim and someone else) which is hardly ever the case in instances of child molestation. Usually child molesters are smart enough to carry out their despicable crimes without someone else watching. It is also because of this rule that the Society insists on managing all child abuse cases themselves to the extent possible, because (in their view) they do not want those accused of child abuse to be judged by “worldly” standards, but through God’s standards as determined through a mistaken application of the Mosaic law. The Society also has a keen eye on its public image and reputation, and its latest measures to increase its power and control over congregational decisions is a clear indication that local application of the “two witness rule” on its own is becoming increasingly inadequate in their eyes. This raises the question, if the rule is becoming so complicated to implement with regards to child abuse, does this alone not indicate that its application needs to be completely revised in judging cases of criminality? Indeed, it was hoped that the Conti case might result in the Society revisiting the “two witness rule”, and perhaps coming to the realization that they are wrong to apply it to criminal matters. However, sadly this has not happened. Note the following comments in paragraph 11 of the new letter… “In addition, the elders should investigate every allegation of child sexual abuse. When elders learn of an accusation, in addition to this letter, they should carefully review the direction outlined in the Shepherding textbook, chapter 12, paragraphs 18-21. However, in evaluating the evidence for internal congregational purposes, they must bear in mind the Bible’s clear direction: ‘No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin . . . At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter should stand good.’ (Deut. 19:15) This requirement to consider testimony of two or three witnesses was confirmed by Jesus. (Matt. 18:16) Thus, although they investigate every allegation, the elders are not authorized by the Scriptures to take congregational action unless there is a confession or there are two credible witnesses. However, even though the elders are not authorized to take congregation action when there is only one witness, the elders should remain vigilant with regard to the conduct and activity of the accused. (See paragraph 12 of this letter.) If two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing, their testimony can be deemed sufficient to take judicial action. (1 Tim. 5:19, 24, 25) If the person is not repentant over the gross sin, disfellowshipping action would be warranted.” You will see from the above quote that the Society uses two citations from the Greek Scriptures in support of their application of the Mosaic “two witness rule”. These are as follows: “Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, in order that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter may be established.” (Matthew 18:15,16 – New World Translation) “Do not admit an accusation against an older man, except only on the evidence of two or three witnesses. Reprove before all onlookers persons who practice sin, that the rest also may have fear…. The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men [their sins] also become manifest later. In the same way also the fine works are publicly manifest and those that are otherwise cannot be kept hid.” (1 Timothy 5:19,24,25 – New World Translation) If you notice the text that I have highlighted in bold in both scriptures, something should become immediately apparent. That is, both scriptures apply the “two witness rule” of the Mosaic Law in judging over cases where a brother in the congregation commits a sin. In the case of Matthew 18 it is a case of a brother committing a sin against another brother. The scripture in 1 Timothy describing an “accusation” appears to be little more than a rewording of Jesus’ words in Matthew 18. The fact that the “accusation” refers to some form of sin is made clear by the context (highlighted by the Society) in verses 24 and 25, which I will go into in greater detail shortly. The problem we have is that the Society has an entirely wrong perspective of child abuse as being first-and-foremost a sin, and only coincidentally a crime depending on the laws of the land. This is the reason why, if an accusation of child abuse comes to light, the elders will assume this falls under their jurisdiction to investigate the matter (because it is a sin), when really the supreme jurisdiction should fall to the superior authorities for these to investigate the matter and determine guilt. If a brother was seen killing someone by a single witness, the body of elders wouldn’t hesitate to phone the police immediately to arrest him – why should a child molester be treated any differently? For example, imagine for a moment that a brother murders another brother in your congregation. You alone see him do it, and you telephone an elder to tell him what happened. The elder would not question the validity of your accusation because you were the only witness, nor would he delay for a moment in calling the police (if you hadn’t already done so). He certainly wouldn’t tell you that the body of elders first needs to launch their own investigation to determine guilt before the authorities can be notified, if they are told at all. Murder is a crime, and therefore the police would be called straight away to intervene! Anything else would be reckless in the extreme, and would leave the killer on the loose to kill yet more people. Just because life is not always lost when a child is molested, child abuse is still a crime and should be treated as such. Therefore, if the Society wishes to insist on using the “two witness rule” to determine whether the SIN of child molestation has been committed, this is their decision. However, just as with murder, child abuse is a crime – therefore the jurisdictional priority falls to the police for them to intervene and determine who the culprit is before anyone else is harmed. Unfortunately, the Society completely underestimates the harm caused by child abuse. As an example, you need look no further than the previously quoted scripture in 1 Timothy 5. Please read again what it says in verses 24 and 25: “The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men [their sins] also become manifest later. In the same way also the fine works are publicly manifest and those that are otherwise cannot be kept hid.” (1 Timothy 5:24,25 – New World Translation) What Paul is saying here is that when some people sin it is “publicly manifest” because someone witnesses it. However, sometimes when people sin, it becomes “manifest later”. In other words, the sinful pattern continues until the person makes a mistake and gets caught in the act by two or more witnesses. By using this scripture, the Society is effectively saying: “Don’t worry if a pedophile abuses a child but nobody witnesses it, because he will very likely abuse another child, and THEN we will catch him.” You may find the way I have paraphrased this verse shocking, but this is effectively what is being said in the way this verse is applied in the letter. This highlights more than anything else the Governing Body’s callous disregard for the serious and devastating effects of molestation on young children. They feel that abused children are expendable as “evidence” in the primary goal of bringing a sinner to repentance. The law views things very differently, and maintains that a molester should be brought to justice BEFORE he abuses another. In this way, through their stubborn refusal to let go of the “two witness rule” in judging cases of child abuse, the Governing Body demonstrates how oblivious and dispassionate they have grown regarding their responsibility to protect the children under their stewardship. Our Governing Body should be letting the Law judge cases of crime, and only THEN, after the Law has intervened, busy themselves with deciding which of these crimes constitute sin. Instead, they proudly bypass the law and allow themselves to judge cases over which God has appointed the “superior authorities” to adjudicate. – Romans 13:1 This is the problem that lies at the very heart of this ongoing problem with child abuse – a total failure to grasp the seriousness of it as a crime first-and-foremost. It is for this reason that, rather than humbly conform to the law and basic principles of community responsibility, the Society proudly continues to drag this on to the bitter end. The Governing Body would rather “go down fighting” and try to weather the storm of lawsuits and adverse publicity than reform its policies and thereby protect children. this are some news report concerning the behavior of the watch tower. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W3r_qyd2iU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3PEJxQ3NmU [size=28pt]Part 2 of this post will be out later. [/size] |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 10:08pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
ijawkid: you cant deny that Jesus was worshiped/ john 1:1 the Word is God/ because he became a man/ could you express or engineering some example of Jesus worshiping the father before coming to earth/ why not just pray to the father why Go through Jesus/ i believe someone benalvino or mr anony gave you example of Jesus receiving prayers. |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 7:00pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
benalvino: It would have been very easy for Jesus to simply say, “When it comes,” but Jesus called the Holy Spirit “He” more than 15 times. Why would God go to so much trouble to personify His own inherent power to the extent that it possessed emotions, thoughts, and speech independent of Himself? how long will it take them to bring out excuse for this |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 6:04pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
truthislight: Guy liar. human behaving like a monkey. |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 12:05am On Jun 05, 2013 |
ijawkid: active force what i know is the holy spirit is God the comforter |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 11:51pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
ijawkid: the name of the holy spirit is active force!!!!! you know the name yet you are asking. |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 11:45pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
ijawkid: says the guy who believes the holy spirit is a active force. show where the scripture says he is an active force? |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 11:28pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
frosbel: So the bible... while not in the bible is called the Gospel... please use the scripture to find holy bible. now you see how dumb your argument is? |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 9:53pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
frosbel: exactly that is what i expect you to say. if it was truthislight he will say liar. when you people cant explain why something is not logical why don't you give a reason why you think it is not logical instead of you to waste grammar. |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 9:39pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
benalvino: |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 9:38pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
Boomark: i quote you because you twist the bible. the Glory Jesus had before the world begging is same now... only that then there was nothing to rule over. How can he stop? the word became flesh. if you are boy and became a man, does it mean you weren't a boy at a point? Did Jesus Humble him self even being obedient to death? was he in the skin that is cursed? when he was tempted why did he say you cannot tempt God? is it possible for a man with flesh not to sin? even a fraction of sin? |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 8:26pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
Go and look up all the meaning of worship online. You will see the types of worship then go back to your bible and answer these questions. 1 Who did Jesus say we(true worshipper) should worship in truth and in spirit? 2 Do you believe that the glory Jesus have now far greater than the glory he had with the Father before he was made flesh? 3 since the Word is God and the Word became flesh, did Jesus stop being the Word of God in Flesh. 4 if you switch to "Jesus is God," then can God be tempted? Read zechariah 12:8 and you will see an angel who is in the form of God, ie like God.The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. 8In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. 9And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. If i have powers, i will use my spirit to slap anybody instead of my hand. God is not a man. |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 6:31pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
ijawkid: And yes am on topic. Why is he the only begotten if he is not the only son? |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 6:00pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
ijawkid: Why do you same age as the father? My point was Isaac wasn't the only son of Abraham |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 5:40pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
Yes Isaac was called only begotten. How about that? |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 4:47pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
Boomark: Dude glory differ ok... Some of the glory we are talking about is being God over everything, receive worship etc which God said he will not share with anyone... But Jesus had that Glory with him before the world begin. Just as the other guy said, your hand is part of you aka bookmark your voice is part of you. God's word is God. Try to tell the apostles to change John 1:1. He was in God form and drop all that because of us and take flesh. Before you guys will post that can God die. |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 3:50pm On Jun 04, 2013 |
Boomark: Why are you disturbing your self? What is the point responding to him? It was nice to see the debate but I dont see anyone being convinced. Especially the Jehovah witnesses. |
| Religion / Re: 47 Reasons Why Our Heavenly Father Has No Equals Or “co-equals” by Itsfacts: 11:14pm On Jun 03, 2013 |
Left the other thread and make a new one like they will reach a conclusion. SMH |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 11:05pm On Jun 03, 2013 |
Battle over. |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 11:31pm On Jun 02, 2013 |
ijawkid:hahaha so you dont know? Can God do anything if he was without wisdom at some certain time? you have to answer o. Who is prudence? Which house did wisdom build? Which table did wisdom prepare? Why did she cry out? Tell me the answers o. And tell me why God was without wisdom in the first place. I like to see benalvino examine you on this one. He knows how to debate. |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 11:13pm On Jun 02, 2013 |
ijawkid: The question is who is prudence... Wisdom dwell with prudence who his prudence? Is mother? |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 8:52pm On Jun 02, 2013 |
Boomark: This statement is by far the worst in this thread... Gods wisdom is eternal that is his quality part of him... We are created we dont exist in God like is wisdom or word or hand or mouth. We are a creation. Benalvino ask who is prudence that Jesus dwell with? |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 8:34pm On Jun 02, 2013 |
Ijawkid who is the prudence? |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 1:02pm On Jun 02, 2013 |
ijawkid: Excuse |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 12:50pm On Jun 02, 2013 |
ijawkid: I dont see why benalvino example won't hold. One man from one city appeared in another. How can't that be valid? Did he use horse or cars? Did he trek? |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 1:41am On Jun 02, 2013 |
ijawkid:Why are you quoting from the bible without verse or reference.. Show us the scripture |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 1:11am On Jun 02, 2013 |
benalvino: John 1:1... the Word... Yes good question ijawkid start looking for a bible that translate it a bit different because you keep changing bible. This time I doubt it will work |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 12:37am On Jun 02, 2013 |
frosbel: One small digression, just to make my position clear , I do not believe that Jesus Christ was or is angel Michael. He is simply the Son of GOD as a 100% MAN.ijawkid them say na angel. God throway Jesus body when him die... Say the man Jesus no they exist again instead na bro Michael then flex heaven. |
| Religion / Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 12:31am On Jun 02, 2013 |
truthislight: He I can quote from your let us reason and magazine to help benalvino on that claim. You are the one who is not sincere. |
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