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Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by benalvino(m): 4:53pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
truthislight: Guy liar. hahaha you just prove my point that your brain is incapable of understanding what any of us are saying... and yes anyone can call his kid whatever name he likes... if you don't see the logic or possibility in that... then you have serious problem... if you like call me liar from now to tomorrow it wont change what is fact I just said. |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 6:04pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
truthislight: Guy liar. human behaving like a monkey. |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 6:15pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
benalvino: But this word who is himself GOd became flesh...we all know that..... Why should God in flesh not know when the end will come,but pointed that only one person in the whole universe knew??..... The Father.... This is the same Father 1 corinthians 8:6 calls the one GOD....... |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by benalvino(m): 6:32pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
ijawkid: because he dropped his deity for us man... so he could die for our sin. we don quote bible verse on that for you tire. |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by truthislight: 6:34pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Bidam: Oh! ofcos i forgot you hardly read the bible Why not show me where the bible calls the holy spirit a person without resorting to deducting from a "he" and "the" but like it is done for Jesus and Yahweh ? Please do, you that reads the bible. |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by truthislight: 6:39pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
benalvino: Guy liar. Please show me those people that also answer the Name Yahweh/Jehovah like you said there are. |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 6:41pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Bidam: .O yes i did.. you were in so much of a hurry to answer that you never took time to go and digest all the scripture i quoted. Your arguments is laden with emotions from long held dogmas of your organization. Your opinion... Bidam: Yes the holy spirit can be put withing us and enable us work to please the Father.....but you never answered the part where people are baptized with it....can you be baptized with a person??...I am not asking if one can be baptized by a person...I'm asking with??..... Bidam: The scriptures we have today comforts us,encourages us,builds us up,speaks to us....... Is the bible a person??.... If one is filled with the holy spirit of God to forge ahead in doing Gods will hasn't that person been conforted by the sender of that spirit??....remember the Father is the God of all comfort....he comforts by empowering us with the holy spirit..... Bidam:Jesus being termed as a lamb shows he was prepared for sacrifice because that is what Lambs are used for....and as we know it Jesus came to the earth and was seen and felt...he died a scrificial death,has a name etc....... But the holy spirit isn't close to being a person as much we do know Jesus is.....now imagine if the scriptures tell you that you would be annointed with Jesus or baptized with Jesus.....how would that sound??.. Bidam:Yes the holy spirit comforted,helped,testified,gave a witness....but how??.... Let's consider these scriptures... New International Version (©2011) They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: "The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your ancestors when he said through Isaiah the prophet: Matthew 10:19-20 New International Version (NIV) 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. The working of Gods spirit is done through humans...God imparts this spirit in us to speak with boldness to speak about the Father....this same spirit is what was with Jesus...all the prophets had this spirit in them to pen down the scriptures which is comforting us today.... How else do you think you are comforted today......??..... Talking about the holy spirit being a witness or one who testifies may I remind you that water and blood are doing that same witnessing work..... Bidam: Now you assume the holy spirit to be a 3rd person in the trinity..... God is not a trinity...God is God the Father alone...... And there are proofs that the holy spirit isn't a person but Gods power in which he uses to accomplish what ever he wants..... 1 Like |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 6:43pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
truthislight:Lol, you too Please show us where the bible calls Jehovah a person without resorting to deducting from a "he" and "the". When you are in a hole please stop digging. The more you make irrational demands, the more they come back to bite you |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by benalvino(m): 6:52pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
It would have been very easy for Jesus to simply say, “When it comes,” but Jesus called the Holy Spirit “He” more than 15 times. Why would God go to so much trouble to personify His own inherent power to the extent that it possessed emotions, thoughts, and speech independent of Himself? people personify country like ijawkid say they call Nigeria she... I know they call cars she... I hardly see or hear anyone call cars or country he... but you cant personify something like country or cars with "HIM" its not gonna work... 2 Likes |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Itsfacts: 7:00pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
benalvino: It would have been very easy for Jesus to simply say, “When it comes,” but Jesus called the Holy Spirit “He” more than 15 times. Why would God go to so much trouble to personify His own inherent power to the extent that it possessed emotions, thoughts, and speech independent of Himself? how long will it take them to bring out excuse for this |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Mranony: 7:00pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
benalvino: It would have been very easy for Jesus to simply say, “When it comes,” but Jesus called the Holy Spirit “He” more than 15 times. Why would God go to so much trouble to personify His own inherent power to the extent that it possessed emotions, thoughts, and speech independent of Himself?You get time dey answer truthislight. Ask him to show us in the bible where it is said that Jesus and Yahweh are persons without deducting from pronouns like "him" and "he". Who knows maybe Jesus and Yahweh are also forces. . . . .or countries like Israel |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by benalvino(m): 7:02pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Mr anony: lol if you tell him that an atheist can call his daughter or son Yahweh him lack of reasoning go make am call you liar... the guy just come here to tannish his credibility |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 7:03pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Mr anony: Go and read that verse againI've read it....and my analogy stands..... Mr anony:I need your answer to the question.... Please supply one Mr anony:It identifies the spirit operating as the Lord of which he is a spirit... Mr anony: But Jesus worshipped the Father to prove that the one God is the Father.....there was no way Jesus wouldn't have worshipped the Father,...The Father is his God...now since the son abandoned who he was in heaven and came as a different person or was impersonated,why shouldn't he have worshipped the holy spirit....why did Jesus exempt the holy spirit from worship??..... Mr anony: If you have no answer just say you don't have.....we have 3 persons who make one God....the Father is whom everybody including Jesus worships...you guys claim Jesus should be worshipped and even misconstrue some verses to mean Jesus deserves to be rendered exclusive devotion to....what about the holy spirit??..have people in the past and present worshipped the holy spirit...don't tell me my questions are dumb...we must completely find out if the holy spirit is a person and then a seperate God Mr anony: The holy spirit like I say is Gods power and not a seperate person....now the holy spirit was seen descending not as a person bt as a dove and once again did something that is not befitting of a person...Jesus was annointed with it.....can you be annointed with another person??... Mr anony: But 1 timothy 2:5 confirms we have just on mediator and high priest who intercedes and mediates for man.... Now the question is just how did the holy spirit intercede in the verse it was quoted from..... _________________________ Romans 8:15-16 King James Version (KJV) 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: _________________________ When the spirit of God bears witness with our won spirit ,it confirms that we are children of God and approved by God.... It was this same spirit which Jesus was filled with that could make Jesus say the same.. Mark 14:36 English Standard Version (©2001) And he said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.” Now that is exactly the intercession bro...it is not like the holy spirit is like a second mediator between man and the Father..... And mind you Jesus up there shows who the one God is.....THE FATHER Mr anony: Ofcourse bro....... Mr anony: And that is accomplished through humans,Jesus,angels... You forgot to add that it is this same spirit that we are baptized with and annointed with.. |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 7:07pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Mr anony: And that would make GEJ forget all about who he was before coming as a beggar??.....how would GEJ being a beggar make him forget or not know when he has an appointment with an organization but some one else knows...... Jesus knew the angels in heaven didn't know...how did he know the angels didn't know??......... And you skipped the holy spirit part..... Did the holy spirit know??.... Jesus mentioned all exisiting beings in the universe but forgot one person...the holy spirit... Why?? Mr anony: Go and read that verse againI've read it....and my analogy stands..... Mr anony:I need your answer to the question.... Please supply one Mr anony:It identifies the spirit operating as the Lord of which he is a spirit... Mr anony: But Jesus worshipped the Father to prove that the one God is the Father.....there was no way Jesus wouldn't have worshipped the Father,...The Father is his God...now since the son abandoned who he was in heaven and came as a different person or was impersonated,why shouldn't he have worshipped the holy spirit....why did Jesus exempt the holy spirit from worship??..... Mr anony: If you have no answer just say you don't have.....we have 3 persons who make one God....the Father is whom everybody including Jesus worships...you guys claim Jesus should be worshipped and even misconstrue some verses to mean Jesus deserves to be rendered exclusive devotion to....what about the holy spirit??..have people in the past and present worshipped the holy spirit...don't tell me my questions are dumb...we must completely find out if the holy spirit is a person and then a seperate God Mr anony: The holy spirit like I say is Gods power and not a seperate person....now the holy spirit was seen descending not as a person bt as a dove and once again did something that is not befitting of a person...Jesus was annointed with it.....can you be annointed with another person??... Mr anony: But 1 timothy 2:5 confirms we have just on mediator and high priest who intercedes and mediates for man.... Now the question is just how did the holy spirit intercede in the verse it was quoted from..... _________________________ Romans 8:15-16 King James Version (KJV) 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: _________________________ When the spirit of God bears witness with our won spirit ,it confirms that we are children of God and approved by God.... It was this same spirit which Jesus was filled with that could make Jesus say the same.. Mark 14:36 English Standard Version (©2001) And he said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.” Now that is exactly the intercession bro...it is not like the holy spirit is like a second mediator between man and the Father..... And mind you Jesus up there shows who the one God is.....THE FATHER Mr anony: Ofcourse bro....... Mr anony: And that is accomplished through humans,Jesus,angels... You forgot to add that it is this same spirit that we are baptized with and annointed with.. If Jesus gave up his omnisprescense then is he still GOD in flesh...you guys are contradictiong the hell out of yourselves....... |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 7:12pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Mr anony:But it didn't occur to you that it was Gods power that caused the existence of Jesus.....you dodged Jesus being the firstborn of all creation....... Gods power in action bro..... Mr anony: Naaaa.....you are being disingenous.... You said The Father is God The son is God The holy spirit is God.. The Father is not the son The son is not the Father The holy spirit is neither the son nor the Father... But all make up one God... How does the gibberish up there ryhme with the 1 corinthians 8:6 you're running away from??..... What part of the one God being the Father alone do you now understand??....... The Father is the one God and the one God is the Father..... Father, Father Father............ I want you to attack this post and stop this go and read again charade....... |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by benalvino(m): 7:13pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
ijawkid: we keep telling you he gave up all his deity to die for us... He became fully man... why you they ask same question over and over again? 2 Likes |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 7:17pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Mr anony: Ahhh......... But you haven't answered the bolded..... Have you.??... The bolded is my problem here.... We agreed the son isn't the Father and the Father isn't the son...... Shouldn't that have rang a bell in your head that Jesus isn't God or part of a trinity??...... I showed in clear terms who the one God is..but you guys have been ranting..... Isn't the Father alone your GOD??.... Now don't tell me I'm asking the same question over and over again.....I ask becuase it hasn't been answered... |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by Nobody: 7:18pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
benalvino:e don turn confucius of the chinese..what he doesn't get is that no matter which ever way he twist and turns he can never debunk trinity using scriptures. |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 7:18pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
benalvino: You guys have answered nothing but run around the title God ..... Who is the one God??...... I see you guys running around...... |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 7:19pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Bidam: Kai!!! you have already captured how ijawkid argues. You are so on point bro.. I have been asking just one question..... Is The Father not the one God alone??....... Ona dey stammer..... |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by benalvino(m): 7:21pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
ijawkid: but you agree he is God but the excuse you were giving is that he is not almighty... Yet mary and others calls the father mighty GOD... and Jesus was the Almighty God in revelation... How can their two be almighty God and also Mighty God at same time? If jesus is not God what does one of the 10 commandment says? you shall not worship other gods before me... If that's the case angels and humans have don't idolatry with Jesus... |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by benalvino(m): 7:23pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
ijawkid: God is not just a title... God doesn't mean one thing |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 7:25pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Mr anony: New American Standard Bible (©1995) "But from now on THE SON OF MAN WILL BE SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND of the power OF GOD." King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009) But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the Power of God." Now don't tell me I'm quoting from another rendition...... The truth is you have never gone through a thorough examination of the word EL GIBBOR........which is also applied to humans.......... So this scripture isn't even a challenge to this discussion........ What you should have asked yourself is what Jesus is doing at the right hand of God...... This Jesus was exalted by the one GOD who is the Father...... You forget?? |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 7:27pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
benalvino: I have asked you if you were ready to go into a study of the word el gibbor from which mighty one,powerful one,mighty God are all gotten from??..... That title can apply to any one..... |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 7:35pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
benalvino: He dropped his deity but you run back to 1 timothy 3:16 to prove he never dropped his deity.........which should we take??...... Do you people realize that you are saying it was not Jesus who came to the earth with all this drop deity gibberish??.... Was this not the same Jesus who said before abraham was I AM??....... Was this not the same Jesus who could read the minds of people on earth....?? How can you people falsely say he abandoned his God part in heaven and came to the earth.....meaning Jesus wasn't God in flesh...do we agree??....and that the Jesus who came to the earth was not completely Jesus,meaning the ransom saccrifice is a scam..... Ok I then asked why did Jesus not remember the holy spirit when he mentioned persons who knew and who did not know when the end would come??..... I asked that question and you,anony and your ilks all kept silent......did the holy spirit know when the end would come??.....does Jesus now know when the end would come??...... Answer these questions and stop this abandon deity farce....... 1 Like |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by truthislight: 7:36pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Mr anony: Lol. I cant believe you asked that ^ . There are so many instances that Yahweh is called a person! I cant believe you asked this ? We have Jesus appearing befor the "person" of God to present the value of the ransom sacrifice. Infact, i give up, what! |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 7:39pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
benalvino: Jesus many times called on this Father...... The scriptures all through mention this same Father....... In the end we are told Jesus would be made subject to this Father...... Consistently the one true God has always been the Father alone You guys might think I'm repeating questions....that is because you have simply not answered the question........ Is The Father not the one God alone??....... Answer Yes or No..... Remember I didn't just mention GOD...I mentiones the Father clinged to the one God..... |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by benalvino(m): 7:44pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
ijawkid: whats you point with the verse you just quote? And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. this doesn't explain anything... how does it void this verse? 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in * fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by truthislight: 7:48pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Mr anony: Lol. i dont think that those ^ need debating. |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by truthislight: 7:53pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Guy liar. benalvino: why not do the needful ? Show us those that bear the name Yahweh ? Who cares about your reputation talk ? Prove your claims, simple! If you dont, you remain a liar, chikena! |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by ijawkid(m): 8:01pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
benalvino: How does Jesus being fashioned as a man make him ignorant of an important information but could know that only the Father knew the day and hour when the end would come...... You guys are just a joke....... It was very fast for you to quote before abraham was I AM to show Jesus was in fact Yahweh but you have turned around to say that same Jesus because of his coming to. The earth no longer knows when the end would come..... How does phillipiaÑs say Jesus left his all-knowingness in heaven??........ What I see here is all of you joking around ........... No amount of twist can get you out of this mess....... And why didn't Jesus inform us if the holy spirit the 3 person of the trinity knew about the day and hour??........ Answer..... I'm waiting for anony..... I was on drip and injections so I couldn't stick around to make my replies...... I'm back...... 1 Like |
Re: Trinity: Why Is It Easier To Call Jesus God And Not The Holy Spirit by benalvino(m): 8:09pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
ijawkid: dumb question... even if he knew he wont say. easy as that... bible says no one will know when the time comes it will be like a thief in the night. |
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