'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus' 1 Timothy 2:5.[/b]

damerry: Dude, seeking Mary's intercession does not mean we pray in her name, she is the easiest channel to Christ heart, she present our prayers to Jesus and ask him to help us. All said and done our prayers through Mary are forwarded to Jesus, and Jesus listens dearly to his Mother request, this makes Mary the easiest way to Christ heart. Dude calm down and start learning from the basics of our doctrine.

Thank God you said it is your doctrine and not bible doctrine, so there is no point for christians(believers and followers of Christ's doctrine to follow it). 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus' 1 Timothy 2:5. So who should I put my faith and confidence in? your doctrine or the bible?

I am really surprised at such line of argument. Is the death of the apostles a doctrine of the Christians? Why should you compare such to an issue of eternal consequence like worship/honour of Mary? Christianity stems from the believe in the bible as the revealed word of God, I am surprised a so-called christian will ask if christians should use the bible as a point of reference; if we don't use the bible can you recommend a better point of reference for us? The wedding you referred to, did you notice that it was not the disciples that went to Mary, it was the ordinary people who did it not for any religious purpose, did you see the ans of Jesus to Mary on that occasion? 'woman what have I to to with you...' Let's not waste our time glorifying a mortal like ourself, if God wanted us to pray through mary, He would have commanded it in the bible, moreso the disciples would have practiced it. This doctrine is a deliberate attempt by the devil to distract the gullible ones from the person of Jesus who clearly told us that ' I am the way the truth and the life no one come to the Father but through me' John 14:6

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damerry: Dude, must everyting come from the bible before you believe? Today's Bible does not contain and teach everyting about Christ ministry on earth. Well i believe you know that christ's disciples were all martyrd except john the beloved, can you give me citations from the bible that says so?
Back to your main question, from Mary's intercession at the weding of cana what moral or spiritual lesson can you fathom-out from there? Mary had been close to Jesus during his ministry, she was even with him at the foot of the cross when he died, she was there when he was taken down from the cross (seat of mercy) from the time of annunciation she co-operated with his ministry even after his death. After her son's ascension Mary '' aided the beginnings of the church by her prayers '' in her association with the apostles and several women '' Mary is our mother in the order of grace, even when she was taken up into heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation
thus the blessed virgin is invoked in the church under the titles of advocate, helper, benefactress and mediatrix.
Please bro, i dey beg u. If you really want to learn walk-into any catholic bookshop and buy *The catechism of the catholic church revised editions paulines/ st pauls* If you must argue, remember that it is
impossible to defeat an ignorant man in
argument.
.........William Gibbs McAdoo

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Repentance is turning away from you sins not for Easter but in acceptance of Christ sacrifice, this is the message of the scriptures why not read the bible and see for yourself. The bible is greater than our personal opinions. Read Isaiah 1:11-19. What happens after Easter? You resume your old sinful life?

livebullet:

what is repentance? isnt it fasting from evil and inordinate pleasure which doesnt glorify God?....Answer me!

livebullet:


THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST FASTING....EHEHEHEHE......A BRAND NEW STYLE OF XTAINITY. I KNW A POPULAR 9JA PASTOR WHO SAYS HIS MEMBERS SHOULDNT FAST....NA WA OOOOOOO

Why do you keep chasing shadows? You can fast anytime, any day, any where, but fasting will not take away your sins; repentance and righteousness is all you need. Obedience is better than sacrifice!

livebullet:



imagine this ones own comment......are you saying Jesus didnt require we fast.....are u a xtain

Fasting is not the issue here, but fasting because you are marking Christ death. You don't need to be sober or fast on Easter as a religious obligation. Repent from you sins, stop doing evil not just on Easter but everyday of your life. If you are living a righteous life you don't have to be sober or sad on Easter but rejoice that Christ died for our sins and has taken away the guilt and punishment for our sins.But if you are still in your sins, commemorating Easter will worthless, useless and meaningless because as long as you are still a sinner, the purpose of Christ death has not been fulfilled in your life!

Colossians 2:8 please

jes7:

We don't need all these unnecessary religious rituals, you can't find them in the new testament. Religion is a distraction from true Christianity (Col 2:. Today instead of people turning away from their sins, they go about observing unnecessary rituals only to go back to their sins after Easter. The message is simple: " All we have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all" (Isaiah 53:6). What are religious people doing today? " For they being ignorant of God's righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God" Rom 10:3. What is supposed to be our response to Christ's death? Fasting- no; abstinence from meat- no. What then? Let the bible answer for us and not the man made religious opinions. What then did the bible say? "Repent ye therefore and be converted that your sins may be blotted out..." ...having raised up his son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away everyone of you from his iniquities." (Romans 3:19,26). Repentance and righteousness is all we need and not religious rituals!

wise_many2k: I ain't a catholic but we all know that the catholic church is the oldest denomination among churches. As a teenager, my mom wld serve only fish with any meal on good fridays cos it is said that "eating meat, chicken, or any fleshy meat on gd friday amounts to eating the flesh of Jesus" So i wanna know if there are other ppl out there that still stick to dis dogma?

As for me, don't ask me if i will eat meat or fish tomorrow..... #dazall

We don't need all these unnecessary religious rituals, you can't find them in the new testament. Religion is a distraction from true Christianity (Col 2:. Today instead of people turning away from their sins, they go about observing unnecessary rituals only to go back to their sins after Easter. The message is simple: " All we have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all" (Isaiah 53:6). What are religious people doing today? " For they being ignorant of God's righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God" Rom 10:3. What is supposed to be our response to Christ's death? Fasting- no; abstinence from meat- no. What then? Let the bible answer for us and not the man made religious opinions. What then did the bible say? "Repent ye therefore and be converted that your sins may be blotted out..." ...having raised up his son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away everyone of you from his iniquities." (Romans 3:19,26). Repentance and righteousness is all we need and not religious rituals!

I wonder why people leave the substance to pursue shadows. This practice is a man-made doctrine to distract people from the real essence of Christ's death on the cross. He died to take away our sins; he suffered so that we don't have to suffer again. We can not accept Christ sacrifice just by trying to give up some legitimate things on a particular day while we still hold on to our sins neither will our self effort bring us close to God. What the bible requires is "repent ye therefore and be converted that your sins may be blotted out". Repentance by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is all we need and not the religious portray of superficial sobriety that don't last beyond Easter!

ItsModella:
Shut the hell up. If you don't know the purpose, why don't you shut up and not try to insult people's faith? mschew!!

@Topic,
The reason is to commemorate Jesus' final and ultimate sacrifice on Calvary on the first Good Friday, by giving up some worldly pleasures on that day. Most people prefer meat, which is why it is a sacrifice. We not only abstain from flesh, we fast as well.

I wonder why people leave the substance to pursue shadows. This practice is a man-made doctrine to distract people from the real essence of Christ's death on the cross. He died to take away our sins; he suffered so that we don't have to suffer again. We can not accept Christ sacrifice just by trying to give up some legitimate things on a particular day while we still hold on to our sins neither will our self effort bring us close to God. What the bible requires is "repent ye therefore and be converted that your sins may be blotted out". Repentance by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is all we need and not the religious portray of superficial sobriety that don't last beyond Easter!

Shut the hell up. If you don't know the purpose, why don't you shut up and not try to insult people's faith? mschew!!

@Topic,
The reason is to commemorate Jesus' final and ultimate sacrifice on Calvary on the first Good Friday, by giving up some worldly pleasures on that day. Most people prefer meat, which is why it is a sacrifice. We not only abstain from flesh, we fast as well.[/color][/font][/quote]

Heatblast:

Yup.. I agree with him.. So many xtians don't even know about the crimes against humanity their 'all loving god' commited in the bible. all they know is what their pastors preach in church.

What do you mean by crime against humanity, in the atheistic world view is their anything as crime against humanity? I think we are all the products of atoms and molecules dancing to the dictates of our DNA?

Can you pause for a while and let's answer what I consider the most important questions in life which remain the question of: (1)Origin: where did we come from; what is the source of life? (2)Meaning: why are we here; what is the purpose of life; what makes life meaningful? (3)Eternity: where are we going when we leave here? what hope do we have beyond the grave or does life end in the grave? What are your thoughts on these solemn and very important life's questions?

Football in itself or sport generally is not sinful but it is the passion we put into the game that matters.For many of us our passion for football far outweighs our passion for the worship of God. God cannot accept such rivalry and until we put God first and be ready to give up anything for His sake, heaven will be very far. Let's remember, the things that are highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God! Luke 16:15

Goshen360: Op,

You are the church and a church cannot go to church. You, as a church can only fellowship with other members of the church, not forsaking the assembly of ourselves.

You are not the church. The church is the body of believers with Christ as the head. Any born again christian is a part of the church and with other members we build an holy habitation for God to dwell in. Eph 2vs19-22

God4moi:

I didn't say you wrote them you jst put them in a way to send a message that you're righteous and have no need for forgiveness.

The alduterous woman do we know if she still sined again or not?

"when Christ gives you his righteousness, he liberates you completely from your sins, so that you can be free indeed." If/after you confess and show true remorse. Your freedom from sin is not that you do not have the ability not to sin. It means your guilt/sin cannot seperate you from the love of christ.

So when you sin the grace is there to repent and not repete the erorr.

Can u support your claims with the scriptures? Whether she sinned or not is not what matters here since she is not our standard. It is what Christ said that matters. Christ was not telling her something impossible when he told her to go and sin no more or do u think Christ did not know what he was saying?. What God wants from us is not a remorse but genuine and absolute repentance, that was what differentiated between Peter and Judas. Peter repented and wept and returned to follow Christ but judas was only remorseful which could not produce any fruit but depression, discouragement and eventual suicide.

God4moi:

Good! You just declared yourself.

And the words of christ that says our righteousness is like a filty rage does not apply to you. Neither does the words who can inherit the kingdom of God and jesus answer with man its impossible but with God all things are possible.

Choi* you must be better than the apostels oh! Cos if Jesus could not guarantee a seat for the sons of zeebeede since you're clean he has no choice now? Abi? You're not a filthy rage? Are you?

You are talking as if I the passages I quoted were not from the bible. Yes, according to prophet Isaiah, all our righteousness are filthy rags which means all our self righteousness and self effort to portray a man-made righteousness are filthy rags, but the only righteousness we need is the righteousness that comes from God through Jesus Christ and it only comes but genuine repentance from your sin. That was why Christ told the woman caught in adultery "go and sin no more" when Christ gives you his righteousness, he liberates you completely from your sins, so that you can be free indeed.

God4moi:

Repenting from your sin does not mean you're not a sinner anymore is like doing an HIV test and believing you've become immune to the disease. It makes provision for your past not ur future.

This is getting more interesting. It is ironic to say you are a christian and at the same time a sin. Their is no christian sinner because to be a christian is to be like christ and since christ was not a sinner, if you are a christian you can't be a sinner.
Matthew 1:21
"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins".
1 John3 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 [b]And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

God4moi:

Are you saying the Authourity Jesus gave was useless? Or that the apostles didn't use it?

Oga o!

I am saying the disciples have a completely different understanding of what Christ said. Since no apostle lay no claims to having the power to forgive sins, instead they consistently pointed to Christ as the only mediator, it then means your interpretation and believe is wrong. They can't forgive sins but they can declare to you that your sins have been forgiven after you have confessed them to God. Many times people confess their sins but do not actually repent and forsake them, in such a case, even if your priest tells you he has forgiven your sins, you are still a sinner because God that knows your heart knows you have not truely repented.

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus" 1 Timothy 2 vs 5

gree-die:


you say only God can forgive, quite true! But what he does through his priest is d doing of his own power, do u disagree? Take a moment to ans cz if you say yes, then you are invariably saying that eg when men of God, heal, preach in God's name, its not actually God but their name.

Since you understand d bible so well, what do u think Jesus was trying to teach wen He (as a mortal) told a sick man ... Ur sins have been forgiven, arise, take up ur bed and walk...? He showed that d power to forgive sin can be exerted not only in heaven but no earth... He have this power to peter when He told peter... I give u the keys to the kingdom of heaven.. The power to bind and loose, to forgive is judicial, it was given to the apostles (priests), not all followers of Jesus.

Do you think the apostles power to forgive sin ended when they died? Dat it wasnt granted them in their official capacities nd so a permanent institution of the church? If so, do you mean that the power to baptize ended dem too and that its wrong for priests, pastors, yes pastors to baptize in God's name? Or do u reject some, not all authorities vested by God to his disciples as it pleases you? Pray answer

Can you give any example in the bible where Peter, Paul or any of the apostles forgave sins? Why did the bible say we should come boldly to the throne of grace that we might obtain mercy heb 4 vs 16? The throne of grace is a direct access to God through Jesus Christ the ONLY mediator between man and God. 1 Timothy 2 vs 5

ogasnow:

Will I trust an eternal institution whose history dates back to Jesus Christ himself, or a backwater assembly whose history is no more than 40-50 years old and whose growth is fuelled by ignorance an poverty?

Who to trust.....Who to trust.......

Trust the bible, the word of God. I don't understand the institution you are talking about. If you are referring to the church which is the body of Christ's true followers i.e those who are born again and are free from sin irrespective of where the worship, I agree with you, but if you are talking of a particular church that claims to have been founded by peter, I am sorry, you are wrong!

1ndidi2: Every priest has been taken out of mankind and is appointed to act for men in their relations with God. to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins;and so he can sympathize with those who are ignorant or uncertain because he too lives in the limitations of weakness. That is why he has to make sin off
erings for himself as well as for the people. No one takes this honour on himself,but each one is called by God. Hebrews chapter 5.

You don't seem to understand Heb 5. The passage talks about the weakness and inefficacy of human priests, that is the reason Christ became a better high priest who offered himself a sacrifice once and for all and is continually in God's presence making intercession for believers. Read other passages in Hebrews and see why we don't need humans anymore to stand between us and God. Heb 7 vs 26 Jesus, then, is the High Priest that meets our needs. He is holy; he has no fault or sin in him; he has been set apart from sinners and raised above the heavens. 27 He is not like other high priests; he does not need to offer sacrifices every day for his own sins first and then for the sins of the people. He offered one sacrifice, once and for all, when he offered himself.

Detonator-rex:
I believe dance is dance whether it was invented by worldly people or not.how you dance is not the issue,its your heart that matters most.When David danced,the bible never recorded his dance steps,but we all know that he did it from his heart.so whoever invents a dance step in the secular world doesn't make it unacceptable as long as your heart is in tune with God.but i think the psoblem will b when you dance to show off,entice or impress other people in church.

Quoting David is not appropriate here, because David is not a perfect example for the new testament church. The picture of the church that was established in the new testament is such as should be solemn and orderly. This does not mean christian can not dance to appreciate God, but to say the truth, most dances in the church today are to satisfy the flesh rather than praise God. Why don't the world copy the church, it is always the church that wants to copy the dancing steps out there only to make reference to David at the end of the day.