rvp2018 post=120551759:
When I said Nairobi will need 15yrs - then 10yrs - to overtake Joburg. I was wrong. Only 5yrs. Ruto is building a million housing units - most will be in Nairobi - with seriousness it deserves.

This month some of those unveiled...more than 30,000 units.

Gov gives building contractors free land - zero rate all inputs and corporates - they in turn sell houses for less than10K usd for 1 bedroom, 20K usd for 2 bedroom and less 30k usd for 3 bedroom.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp3jeOcYCeM&t=74s

oh you are a clown....everyday your projection changes!!

Let Kenya catch Joburg first, then we talk Nairobi

Just30:
well Ghana has 86% electrification rate, just a little above SA at the moment .... Plus Ghanaians have their light on 24/7

Thousands of South Africans are moving of Eskoms grid every month, no surprise it's gone down.........also keep in mind SA has twice the population.....and Eskom still produces 15 times more electricity than Ghana.......Electricity production is more than just being able to put your lights on and watch some TV.

How do you expect to reach SAs level in terms of industrialisation and infrastructure development when you are only producing 18000Ghw?

Just30:
sorry kid

If you're receiving 8 hours of load shedding, then Ghana has a better situation than what you're facing because Ghana does not have load shedding

Ghana also only has a electrification rate of just over 80% and you produce only 18000Gwh of electricity........So yes you are still light years behind

Shma2022:

You and the guy you just quoted are twins in intellectual dwarfism.

The link he gave has nothing to do with wealth, resource, reputation, or things they offer to the global platform.

Kenya is world wide known for safari destination - National geographic is a Kenyan channel.
Kenya is the giant of sports in Africa - Check Olympic record. We're known for sports events.
World Safari rally is a Kenyan rally event!
Only two countries in Africa are in the HSBC rugby sevens: South Africa and Kenya.
Kenya is a regional power in EA.
We're the technology giant in Africa, maybe slightly behind Nigeria.
Kenya has the best reputation globally, that's why we have visa-free from some nations. One of the most hardworking people in diaspora are Kenyan.
Kenya is well known for eco-environment conscious in the world.
Kenya has produce prominent leaders in the world - Obama, Rishi sunak - current uK president.
Some of the most viewed Hollywood movies: cry freedom, Tomb raider: the cradle of life, sense 8, Inception, and many more were produced in Kenya.
When it comes to wealth, Kenya is 5th in Africa, behind SA and Nigeria in sub saharan.

Do research before yapping.

- No
- South Africa is the giant of sports in Africa, Kenya is comfortable 2nd
- Its a WRC event....which in itself is very impressive Kenya takes this one
- the only 2 permanent members yes, other African nations do compete regularly
- Correct
- SA is the technology Giant, very close between Kenya and Nigeria though
- Kenya has an average Passport ranking, you are below the likes of Malawi, Lesotho and Eswatini. Kenya is only ranked 9th in Africa in terms of visa free countries.
- Is it? I believe habitat loss and game population loss is a major problem.
- True
- Cry Freedom-Kenya only used to film some locations almost the entire movie was shot in Zimbabwe, Tomb raider: the cradle of life - shot in Kenya not produced in Kenya, sense 8 yes together with 15 other countries, inception no Kenyan involvement
- Correct

Luzebox:
Its regressing...8 hours electricity...crime rate doubled...killing normal...its becoming wild

As bad as it is, its still light years ahead of Nigeria, Kenya, Ghana and Tanzania

Appisko:

What is really happening to SA

Eskom

kabe1:
It is possible Ethiopia has a very fantastic military and are no push overs.

Pictures showing chinese M20 and A200 short range balistic missiles systems (SRBM) of the Ethiopian military.

couldn't even beat Eritrea or Tigray

AskiaHarem:


So you have no problem with Far-Right groups going on calculated mass killing sprees in the US? Wow.

have you not read my posts? I said I don't identify as right or left and I'm against oppression of freedom from both the right and left.

GreenandGold:


Our bird has aged, to be honest... A Rooivalk Lite is needed...

With enough coffee, Redbull and free time, I could pull us a design in 2 months..

we wait in anticipation

Covert1:


As everyone knows you are living in an alternate universe not this one of reality.

Except for mentioning Corvettes the professor was spot on. The derelict nature of the South African Navy is an open secret. And if the Southies want to play big they need to consult with the Nigerians which is Africa's superpower.

So are these Ghost submarines? How if none of our submarines have been to sea in 4 years, how can these foto exist?

Covert1:
A must watch | You have no busy on this thread without watching this. Professor Bolaji Akinyemi is brimming with intelligence on foreign policy in Africa. Brilliant idea on the South Atlantic power block against the North.

Most of what has been highlighted here he touched on them. This is is coming from an authority that is acknowledged worldwide.

So no dispute again. By the way he asked a question what excercises is South Africa holding with basically a moribund Navy and went on to list Southies assets stuck in port.
So you see everyone knows. Punching above your weight might get you in the Tiger's belly.

And he was clear Nigeria is too important. Our leaders have abandoned the Deep Blue Sea for a coastal Navy. Things we warn about daily.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcYXEknNIi8

To bad he has his facts wrong wrt South African Frigates and Subs...

Looks fvcking sick the apache might be the more beautiful bird compared to the Rooivalk

GreenandGold:
In an alternative universe where the SAAF ordered the AH-64D... we somehow gave it the Rooivalk paint scheme from the other universe

Appisko:
Accra

It really makes me question peoples intelligence when they don't even know what their own country looks like......SMH

AskiaHarem:


Who controls what depends on the state or city. For example the right controls Texas along with many inland southern states while the left controls California along with many coastal and northern states. California is the media capital of the nation so of course they have a digital advantage.

Everyone right and left participates in cancel culture they only go about it in different methods.

Prescribed pronouns are grossly over exaggerated the vast majority of liberals don’t even mess with it.

Although the west has weaponized LGBTQ to an extent that’s no reason for alt righters to go on Killing Sprees targeting them. That’s barbarism.

Single parent homes has little to do with politics it can be found anywhere by everyone. If the relationship is good it’s good; if it goes to crap it’s crap. Matter of fact alt righters banning abortion is only going to make it far worse and more prevalent. Don’t get me started on alt right INCELS and the grooming of children.

By CRT do you mean Critical Race Theory; If so then what of it? It’s TRUE in some places ESPECIALLY in the USA; much of the West, Latin America and once upon a time South Africa.

- who is currently the governing party in the US? Who controls Hollywood?

- yes I agree, read my previous reply wrt cancel culture

- any law that prescribes speech is a gross attack on one's freedom of speech, there is a difference between things you can't say(hate speech) and forcing people to say and use certain words

- its been made political, BLM has actively advocated for single parent homes, stats don't lie, a child is something like 70% more likely to grow up in poverty and be involved in crime compare to homes with a mom and dad, the democratic part also attack this through their attack on the supposed male patriarchy.

- abortion is a touchy subject, from a religious and moral standpoint I'm against it however people's freedom is more important than my beliefs and thus I'm pro choice, however I do believe abortion should take place when the fetus is no older than 5 days.

- as I said I don't consider myself right or left, any attack on a person's freedom should be dealt with swiftly, no person should be attacked based on their sexuality, I also believe that gay marriage should be legal... A view not shared by many Africans.

- I have a problem with children being indoctrinated with ideas that you are either disadvantaged or privileged solely based on your skin....how can you tell a child that and expect him or her to exceed in life?

AskiaHarem:


There are only so many alt-Right mass shootings and others acts of domestic Terrorism one can take haybe Somethings gotta give especially since there only growing in intensity.

OK and?

AskiaHarem:


The bat $hit wild imagination of the right wingers.

ahhh at least Green&Gold has a friend

Faithful007:
You are losing track of your own statements. You said left wing rhetoric is getting dangerous in the US. My reply was to let you understand that the most divisive positions are generally progressive and doesn't even carry the full support of the left. For example, Illhan Omar, Minnesota rep almost lost her primaries but still won her congressional seat convincingly in the general elections.

Progressives and Liberals make up the left-wing spectrum in America.

yes I said leftist ideologies are getting dangerous, you say progressives are part of the left.... So what according to your own argument is wrong with my statement when even you are saying progressives are part of the left?

Faithful007:
It would be of benefit if you let me know whether you're speak of politicans or activists when you say THE LEFT. I doubt if any Democrat poltician ever supported defunding of police. Infact many did openly disagree.

As for cancel culture, it exists everywhere not just with the left. It depends on who controls that social group. Do you know the amount of evangelical pastors who were removed from their churches or cancelled for criticizing Trump's presidency? Meanwhile criticizing Biden is allowed. It is very usual for NRA and gun rights activists to threaten gun manufacturers with boycotts if they stop producing civilian semi-auto rifles. It is usual for people to react that way to non-conformists within their group. Be in a group of smokers then keep telling them you hate smoking. Guess they would react favorably?

As for single parenting, it is not a political position in America. Most people are not against single parenting, if they were, it certainly doesn't factor into politics and government.

Im speaking of people on the far left that support fascism, equality of outcome, prescribed speech, defunding of policy ect ect I'm not talking about people that support things like gay marriage or abortion but rather.... And yes not only have democrats supported defunding of police they have actually done it in democratic states.

I'm not necessarily against cancel culture itself but rather the act of taking away a persons freedom of speech because his or her opinion is different to yours, im such an advocate for freedom of speech and expression that I do not believe racist speech or hate speech should be criminalised I'm not at all supporting these acts however laws that do criminalise it are to vague.... Like what exactly constitutes racism? And who can be racist and who can't?

You are misunderstanding the point, you should 100% be against single parent households(if possible) , you shouldn't be advocating for it like the BLM organisation.....children in single parent households are something like 70% more likely to grow up in poverty and be involved in crime and gangs than in a household with a mother and father, this figure stays consistent regardless of race.

Faithful007:
We were never talking about Africa but the US. Ain't it?

Being socially liberal is not considered a far left position in the US. Close to 70% of the US are pro LGBT and pro Abortion. What divides Americans are generally progressive ideologies rather.

I was with GreenandGold

Also I didn't say anything about liberals.... I said leftists,also I never said being Liberal is a far left ideology

kabe1:


Lazy Black South-Africans always whining and crying.

The next thing he'll be looking for the shop of a foreigner to burn and loot from.

Exhibiting in this thread the sort of "not taking responsibility for one's action" that comes with Xenophobic attacks.

I would stay out of it if I were you you don't want to go comparing South Africans with Nigerians

GreenandGold:


Ok... we see what you are doing here...

" Im not a racist, I have black friends" vibes

okay

I could have no black friends, honestly doesn't matter to me..... I either like you or I don't.....unlike you I don't have racial prejudice

GreenandGold:


Exactly, that is why I would not accuse the white US and SA Left of racism.... In fact I do not accuse any white person of racism unless they stand as the Right...



Go read my statement, over and over again, maybe with understanding this time..... if you want me to draw illustrations for you, I could easily do that as well.... maybe, just maybe it would dawn.




Thank you for moving towards the Center..... it's the right direction, for a start...

-You can be on the right and you can be conservative and not be racist....in fact most Africans including SAns are socially Conservative and economically liberal(personally I am more economically Conservative)

- still not dawning on me my bru still don't see how black men who impregnated women and then leave them high and dry today has anything to do with black men working(forced or not) away from home yet still providing for their families 100 years ago.

I've never thought of myself as right or left, my views are based on individuality, equality of opportunity and logic....

GreenandGold:


the Left being dangerous?

Meanwhile the Right...

this is exactly your problem bru, you look at it like a pissing contest between far left and far right...you think because I'm against the far left that I must be pro far right, I'm against all forms of oppression, fascism and Marxism.... Any ideology that exalts the group above the individual is dangerous both on the right and the left

GreenandGold:


You may not need to continue, you definitely do not know what you are talking about... it's a subject foreign to you, you are regurgitating what the Far-Right tells you....



A poor attempt to manipulate the debate into an emotional corner.... stay sober bro



I think you deliberately ignored the social engineering explanation... no one impregnated a woman and vanished, until.....(let's say it out loud) Conservatives forced the African fathers to do that from 1910 until 1991.... So, don't pretend to care about black women raising kids on their own.



What's with the collective guilt now?.... you don't need to apologise bro..




I will repost this cartoon, especially for you....

- oh the irony

- nothing emotional, quite the opposite actually ..... I believe Martin Luther King once said " judge a man on his character and not his skin colour" ... Or something like that,well anyway that's basically how I live my life

Ok so black fathers disappear today because that's what their forefathers did 100 years ago?..... That's some fantastic logic right there my man ...... I must probably do some farming and practice some apartheid because that's what my forefathers did

Your cartoon isn't entirely relevant since I literally stated racism ad racial inequality still exist

GreenandGold:


- You're goal shifting towards the Center to sound moderate..... I see...



- BLM is not an organisation, it's a movement born from the systematic targeted murder of Black-Americans by US Police, even when the victims were not armed.... There is no part where you say "it's bad for the blacks", if you did then we need to inspect your motives, inspect your position in society, and if you say it from the comforts of your "white" suburbia, then we know your motives, we need not to argue with such.

- Systematic racism is not a law, otherwise it would be called "legal racism".... Systematic racism is when racism is practiced without being announced at institutional level, eg, black workers being overlooked in opportunities that are supposed to be for everyone. I will not go into details, you know it well.

You won't discuss it because it doesn't exist, I can probably make a better argument that there is systematic racism against whites since there are literally laws like BEE and AA in South Africa, personally I don't think it has really had an impact on white people but it certainly and ironically led to greater poverty and unemployed under the black community



This was not a father going to town to work for his family, this was a black father being forced from his family to work in the Witwatersrand hundreds of kms from home, forced to stay in a male-only compound, not allowed to see his family for months to years, while white males had access to their families... it forced black mothers to raise kids on their own, it was social engineering meant to destroy the black family who's effects would be felt to this day.... so Conservatives cannot talk about family values and all that rubbish when they went all out to destroy African ones.



- Really? Do you know what open racism does.... in 1991, one of my uncles got a learnership from Sasol to study Mining Engineering at Vaal Triangle College (now Vaal University), literally becoming the first black person to study there .... the open racists tried to get him out of the institution in every possible way with harassments from students and parents. He was nearly killed during practicals, they plotted to kill him using TNT and made it look like an accident....... He left the Varsity.

- I personally don't care if you are secret racist in your heart, it's your choice, you can discuss your racist ideologies under a lappa while listening to Steve Hofmeyer, I don't give a care because I cannot stop you........ however, if you're open about it, stand in my way, then your have become a problem.

-Bru I ain't goal shifting, I'm am telling you my views on the subject.

- BLM is most definitely a organisation with actual leadership structures and ideological views.

Calling for single parent households, defunding of police, CRT, the fact that it's a totally Marxist movement... all are bad for the black community .... I could continue.....

Also I ain't an apologists I will air my opinion and say things as they are...... I don't believe in group identity like you do, hence Im not effected by statements such as "white privilege" and I don't suffer from group guilt or group blame.....if you want to believe you are a victim and I am an oppressor because of my skin colour alone then you do you bro

-you don't want to talk about it because it doesn't exist anymore, in fact I could make a better argument that there is systematic racism against white people since there are actual systems in place like bee and AA that are supposed to favour black people..... However ironically the opposite has happened, BEE and AA has led to the collapse of SOEs(cadre deployment) and led to a rise in racial inequality and unemployment

-You are having an argument with yourself, I never said fathers weren't forced to work away from home, there is a difference between working away from home and sending money back to support your family and fvcking a chick, getting her pregnant and disappearing, you obviously don't understand what is meant by single parent households

-I'm sorry to hear about what your uncle experienced, apartheid was a crime against humanity and is entirely against my views of individuality and equality 9f opportunity

-typical of wokies, when your views are challenged you call the other a racist, the fact is what you said is racially prejudice in itself and by extention you are the racist.... However I'm almost certain you are one of those that believe only white people can be racist.

GreenandGold:



- These are not leftish ideologies... they are human advancement ideologies.... if you as a person gets mad that a "male" person is calling himself a "her" then you have serious problems.... If you as a person in the 21st century have a problem with someone deciding to live with a person of the same sex THEN you have a serious problem.... we are adults now, we worry about paying rent than people who call themselves "it", as it's none of our concern.

- If you utter racist rubbish, you need to be canceled... utter sexist rubbish, you need to be canceled, we don't have time to be entertaining such rubbish in the 21st century.

- Single-parent homes were created by the Conservatives in South Africa... For about 80 years, Black males were forced out from their homes to work in Transvaal and Orange Free State mines without going back home for months and got to the point where the fathers became permanently absent and homes led by mothers generation-after-generation until it became a norm.

- "Defunding Police" is a term created to address social issues in American ghettos...US police get more money than schools or social programs in the ghettos.... if you fund more social programs and schools to address the ghetto decay, you won't need to fund Police with a lot of money, hence "Defunding the Police".

- As for being openly racist and being proud of it.... well, it's disgusting.

- I don't have a problem with adults deciding what they want to wear or how they identify, I've personally employed not less than 3 transgenders at my businesses ... I have a problem with prescribed pronouns like in Canada, I have a problem with children as young as 8 taking hormone(or suppressors) because they supposedly identify as the opposite sex and their parents support this nonsense, I have a problem with biological men competing against biological women in sport, I have a problem with people thinking that I should pretend that there are more than 2 genders, I have a problem with people claiming there is a gender pay gap when in fact their isn't(you are welcome to argue that there is however ill end that debate very quick).

- Yes racist should be cancelled however me saying BLM is a terrible organisation who's ideologies will cause more suffering in the black community in the US isn't racist its a fact(or at worst just my opinion) , me saying there isn't any systematic racism today in the USA or SA for that matter isn't racism(maybe you could argue their is, however Ive yet to see a single law or system that suggests that there is systematic racism today) .... However if I lived in the US I would be cancelled and banned on social media for the above.

- a father going out to work to support his family isn't a single parent household.... A dude fathering a child and disappearing is..... Massive difference!! Also it isn't just black fathers that will be away from home because of work... My father worked abroad for months at a time.

- you can increase social spending without decreasing police funding, gang culture and gang crime is a massive problem that needs to be addressed, you can have as many schools and social programs as you want but none of that will work if crime is still rampant. I would rather say increase police funding to properly train them and get rid of these trigger happy motherfvckers

- never said its something to be proud of, I said at least you know the openly racist people.... Its the closet racists that are the real dangerous ones.

AskiaHarem:


The Far Right-Winger Americans have always been dangerous and down right demonic at times.

True, however they don't control the law, education and media like they used to, in fact it's now the other way around, the left are now in control of all that, and we can see the spread of leftist ideology like, cancel culture, prescribed pronouns, LGBTQ, Defunding of police, single parent homes, CRT ect ect

At least back in the they right wingers were openly racist, todays lefties are much more subtle.

Faithful007:


Liberals? No. Progressives? Yes.

Progressives bring up scary ideas all the time.

I said Leftists not Liberals however Leftists in Africa and Leftists in the US are totally different.....In Africa being on the left is more an economic ideology where as in the US it is also a social ideology.

Socially Africans including myself are conservative.

GreenandGold:


American Right-wing scare propaganda.... very irrelevant to Africa.

To be fair the left wing propaganda has gotten down right dangerous in the US

GreenandGold:
***Agububu opens ChatGTP***

Agububu: Type me a 500-word essay that makes no sense

ChatGTP:

my sides

GreenandGold:


but do you have 7 waterfalls?

I haven't counted

GreenandGold:


What's more glorious than the Big 5, the Drankesburg escarpment, the Lowveld and 7 waterfalls

the only thing we don't have is the bloody ocean.... but it's nothing invading Moza wouldn't fix

We got that though